The 2012 Foxtel Cup announced

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    The AFL has recently released the Foxtel Cup details for 2012. The Foxtel Cup was created in 2011 as a viable national second tier competition for Australian football.

    As the 2012 competition shows, it is more than just as a GWS develpment vehicle – and as such proved to be reasonably successful, so much so that the AFL will continue with it into a second year.

    If you are new to the concept, this is an invitation only competition where qualification requires your team to be highly ranked in the most senior competition in your state or territory, outside of the AFL.

    Foxtel Cup matches are played during scheduled byes in your league calendar, and any travel is funded by the AFL and Foxtel. Some SANFL clubs have refused to particpate due to a percieved lack of cash on offer and the potential for burnout if players effectively forfeit the bye.

    Matches are exclusively broadcast on Foxtel, although some clubs have been able to broadcast matches via their websites.

    Prize money for this year’s competition is up by around 20%, making the first prize about fifty thousand dollars, and total prize money about three hundred thousand dollars.

    Debuting in this years competition are the VFL premier, Port Melbourne, Mt Gravatt (QLD), Subiaco and West Perth (WA), and South Adelaide (SANFL). Burnie and Launceston come in for Tasmania, both debutantes in this competition. Like last year, the top three South Australian sides declined to participate.

    Gone from the 2011 competition are Swan Districts (WA), Clarence (Tas), North Ballarat (Vic), Northern Bullants (Vic), North Adelaide (SA), and Labrador (QLD). Greater Western Sydney have been promoted to the AFL in line with their development plan, and been replaced by a second Tasmanian side

    The clubs participating are:

    Vic – Williamstown (defending champion), Port Melbourne, Werribee
    NSW – Sydney Hills Eagles
    QLD – Morningside, Mt Gravatt
    Tas – Launceston, Burnie
    ACT – Ainslie
    WA – West Perth, Claremont (2010 runner up), Subiaco
    SA – Port Adelaide, South Adelaide, West Adelaide
    NT – NT Thunder

    Many of the clubs participating in the Cup form some of the oldest clubs in the country

    In order of foundation:

    Williamstown (1864), Port Adelaide (1870), Port Melbourne (1874), Launceston (1875), South Adelaide (1876), West Perth (1885), West Adelaide (1891), Subiaco (1896), Claremont (1906), Ainslie (1927), Morningside (1947), Werribee (1965), Mt Gravatt (1970), Sydney Hills (1976), Burnie (1995), NT Thunder (2008)

    Like last year, the matches are exclusive to Foxtel, however in a shift, most round 1 matches will be played and broadcast from 11am, as opposed to right before an AFL game regardless of when it was played as was the case in 2010. The round 1 match in WA will start at 2pm. In 2011 they were almost all exclusively broadcast from 3pm on.

    The round 1 Foxtel Cup Fixture (starts March 31 with matches weekly)

    Morningside v Launceston (Metricon Stadium)
    Port Adelaide v Subiaco (Aami Stadium)
    Werribee v Burnie (Etihad or Aurora TBA)
    Ainslie v West Perth (Blacktown – not a curtainraiser)
    Claremont v West Adelaide (Pattersons Stadium – not a curtainraiser)
    Sydney Hills v Mt Gravatt (SCG)
    Williamstown v South Adelaide (MCG)
    NT Thunder v Port Melbourne (TIO Stadium)


    Its considerably early, however if Port Melbourne can get over the trip to the Territory in round 1, I fully expect them to take out the flag. Reigning champions Williamstown were beaten pretty easily by Port Melbnourne who went through 2010 undefeated in the VFL.

    After the Tasmanian showing last year, Im not sure if doubling the number of teams from that state was prudent. I expect Claremont to put on another good showing in the Cup. The continuing lack of upper echelon SANFL teams means the upper level teams from Victoria and WA should have a relatively easy 2012 competition with the Thunder being the dark horse for mine.

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    • December 13th 2011 @ 1:08pm
      Football United said | December 13th 2011 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

      Do you have the positions these teams finished in their last season? it sorta took away from the comp without the top teams playing. Also what gives with playing at the AFL stadiums rather than local home grounds?

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        December 13th 2011 @ 3:19pm
        The_Wookie said | December 13th 2011 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

        In all cases its the top 3, with the exception of the SANFL – whose top 3 declined – Tasmania where its the top 2, and the NEAFL which allows for the top 2 teams in NSW/QLD and one from the ACT. The NT Thunder are more or less guaranteed. In this instance the Foxtel Cup is more about state and territories being represented.

        Id say matches are played at AFL grounds – note they are all curtainraisers for the most part – to keep broadcast costs down.

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        December 14th 2011 @ 11:27am
        mds1970 said | December 14th 2011 @ 11:27am | ! Report

        Sydney Hills Eagles (formerly known as East Coast Eagles, and before that as Baulkham Hills) won the Sydney AFL premiership in 2011 – their third straight flag. They are joining the NEAFL in 2012.
        They competed in the 2011 Foxtel Cup as East Coast, but were no match for Port Magpies. But this time they’ve been drawn against Mt Gravatt, from the northern NEAFL, so they have a more competitive game this time.

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      December 13th 2011 @ 1:33pm
      The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

      Some of the oldest clubs in Australian sport: Williamstown (1864), Port Adelaide (1870), Port Melbourne (1874), Launceston (1875), South Adelaide (1876) – amazing bit of trivia – I can really see this comp developing and becoming one of the key comps on the Australian sports calendar, we should be aiming for Fox ratings of around 50,000 per game this year.

      The second Tassie side and the team from Sydney are likely to cop floggings, unfortunately, although we might expect a better showing from Ainslie this year, who did really well to defeat the Swans Reserves for the ACT/NSW conference of the NEAFL.

      Worth mentioning that two Sydney teams are joining the Eastern conference of the NEAFL for next year, bringing the number of teams to 9, so we have four Sydney teams, including the Swans and Giants reserves, and 5 canberra teams, incl Queanbeyan.

    • December 13th 2011 @ 2:02pm
      Lachlan said | December 13th 2011 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

      2 grand finalists from the VFL, SANFL, WAFL, TSL, NEAFL East and North. International Team, Best team from a Queensland league, NEw South Wales league and Country Victorian League.


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        December 13th 2011 @ 5:33pm
        The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

        I’m not sure what you mean by an “International” team – at the moment, the three best international teams in the world: Ireland, PNG and NZ would struggle against a good amateur club team, let alone the likes of VFL, SANFL and WAFL clubs.

        Having said that, I’d love to see regular games between, say, the 3rd/4th best Queensland and NSW clubs and the likes of PNG and NZ to help them improve and gauge their development.

        I think PNG would currently be ready to take on a goodish NSW club team, but would probably cop a bit of a loss against most NEAFL clubs, in fact, against the likes of Ainslie or the NT Thunder, it would be a bit of a hiding at this point, but the whole point is help them improve.

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          December 13th 2011 @ 5:42pm
          The_Wookie said | December 13th 2011 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

          I worte about this last year, but i believe the best way would be to fold PNG/NZ teams into the NEAFL structures already in place. PNG in the QLD/NT edition, NZ in the NSW/ACT version. This would then eventually give them a shot at the Foxtel Cup if they were good enough.

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            December 13th 2011 @ 6:13pm
            The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

            Just reading then that the AIS-AFL Academy (approx. U18s) are touring NZ in January to play against the NZ national team, and this is the interesting bit, they are sending invites to young players on AFL lists with NZ heritage, plus others who have recently been rookies, or are on SANFL lists, some of whom have accepted the invites and will playe in the games.

            Wayne Schwass (NZ born) will coach the NZers.

            Given the youth of the AIS team – this will be perhaps the most challenging hit out they have ever had on an overseas trip, and a small taste of what’s possible in the very near future.

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        December 13th 2011 @ 5:35pm
        The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

        If it was possible to fund, a second division Foxtel Cup, where Queensland and NSW clubs (that have missed out on qualifying for the Foxtel cup proper) could play the PNG and NZ national teams, that would be worthwhile to assist development. Could also include the best clubs from the Ovens and Murray league, which would include strong clubs from Southern NSW and Northern Vic.

      • December 13th 2011 @ 6:31pm
        Timmuh said | December 13th 2011 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

        With NSW teams joining the NEAFL and Queensland team already there, there doesn’t seem to be much point taking anyone else from those states. For 2012, fine, as only GWS and Swans reserves are NSW teams in 2011 NEAFL.
        I would have gone with:
        Previous year’s winner
        Previous year’s runner-up
        Best 3 from each of VFL, WAFL, SANFL
        1 TSL
        Best 2 from each NEAFL conference

        For a league which had a winner or runner-up from the previous year they would get extra spots (potentially up to five invites from the three main leagues).

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          December 13th 2011 @ 11:08pm
          Lachlan said | December 13th 2011 @ 11:08pm | ! Report

          BTW the other Lachlan isnt me.

          I like your idear of bringing the premiers last year back into it, but dont agree with the runner-up, it should just be the premiers from the previous year, plus the 3 best from VFL, SANFL, WAFL, 2 best from TSL, NEAFL East and North. And if the Premiers from the previous year already qualify, then bring the next team in from that respective league.

          The AFL seems to want teams competing from every state and territory, which means every year their will be a Canberra Team and the NT Thunder even if they finish at the bottom of their respective ladders.

          Premiers from previous year
          1st, 2nd 3rd VFL
          1st, 2nd, 3rd SANFL (If they ever deside to enter)
          1st, 2nd, 3rd WAFL
          1st, 2nd TSL
          1st, 2nd NEAFL East
          1st, 2nd NEAFL North

          If NT Thunder don’t finish 1st or 2nd, they don’t enter, if 5 out 9 (as of next year) ACT teams, plus 1 Queanbeyan team, don’t finish 1st or 2nd they don’t enter.

          Also im thinking bring in a team from Southern NSW into the NEAFL East to make it 10, by 2013.

          Also we need a Reserve League, i don’t know how many times i need to say it, but we need to have Reserve AFL teams playing other reserve teams, before AFL Matches. Which would make the Foxtel Cup, and respective leagues more even, and have Foxtel Cup games played at Regional Venues.

    • December 13th 2011 @ 6:18pm
      stabpass said | December 13th 2011 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

      A bit off track and I wont make specific links, but there is seriously a wealth of new stories in particular about NZ and the pacific Islands ATM on WFN.

      Oceania AFL youth cup on shortly, the AFL in the last couple of years have really made a big effort internationally for perhaps the first time, never thought i would see it.

      • Roar Guru

        December 13th 2011 @ 8:05pm
        The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

        Good story about the 16 year old kid picking it up, making the senior team almost straight away and then making the NZ U18s team to compete in the AFL Youth Oceania cup, currently underway in Fiji.

        Story carried in the local NZ press:

        Get the 15/16 year olds interested in the game, give them exposure to regional championships and some senior footy, and few might be capable of forcing their way into AFL ranks – that’s what it’s all about.

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        December 13th 2011 @ 8:08pm
        The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

        It’s Vanuatu’s first time in the AFL Youth Oceania championships, with the game only a couple of years old there, it’s a great achievement by the pioneers of the game to make it this far:

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        December 13th 2011 @ 8:41pm
        The Cattery said | December 13th 2011 @ 8:41pm | ! Report

        It’s worth mentioning that current AFL Youth Oceania Championship currently being held in Fiji is the 3rd time it has been held, and has got bigger each year, and is starting to receive significant press coverage around the Pacific, like this story from the Fiji Times:

        It’s worth recalling that NZ bombed out badly last year, finishing second last out of 7 teams, but it looks like they are better organised this year and have brought a decent team across.

        PNG is probably the stand out, but teams like Tonga, Fiji and Nauru are quite competitive, with footy in Tonga and Fiji growing each year after having been introduced only 3 or 4 years ago.

    • December 13th 2011 @ 10:00pm
      Republican said | December 13th 2011 @ 10:00pm | ! Report

      So why is NZ the sole focus?

      Commercial and that’s all.

      Local demos i.e. ours stand to be expediently ignored again – next expansion, this time for NZ.

      This will be the ultimate insult.

      • Roar Guru

        December 13th 2011 @ 11:14pm
        The_Wookie said | December 13th 2011 @ 11:14pm | ! Report

        thats far from proven and you missed the bits the AFL have been putting out about Tonga/Fiji/New Guinea/Vanuatu and other places beside NZ. Yes we know Tasmania is missing out, where else do you propose an expansion team should be going? Your continued tirades against all things NZ are not unexpected.

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      December 13th 2011 @ 11:24pm
      Damo said | December 13th 2011 @ 11:24pm | ! Report

      Sorry but i still think its a joke. And for me it will be until the best teams from the second best comp in the land join. Until the Central Districts Bulldogs and Norwood compete its not being properly represented.

      • December 13th 2011 @ 11:36pm
        stabpass said | December 13th 2011 @ 11:36pm | ! Report

        What i think is odd, is the fact that the top 3 SA teams are not chomping at the bit to get into the cup, just MO, but SA footy seems to be a long way behind WA football ATM, in a hell of a lot of areas.

        If i was an aspiring SA footballer, trying to make it to the AFL, i would be none to happy with the SANFL clubs not wanting to play.

        SA football needs to be invigorated somehow, QLD are not that far from replacing them in the top 3 footballing states.

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          December 15th 2011 @ 12:04am
          Lachlan said | December 15th 2011 @ 12:04am | ! Report

          couldn’t agree more

        • December 15th 2011 @ 11:35am
          Adrian said | December 15th 2011 @ 11:35am | ! Report

          Given the large number of players being drafted into the AFL from Norwood and Woodville-West Torrens at the moment, both of whom have declined the invitation to the Foxtel cup, I’m not sure thats a fair criticism.

          In addition, the best of the SANFL side has consistently beaten teams from the VFL and WAFL. I would suggest that the Queensland competition is a long way from the SANFL.

          The unfourtunate truth is that the best SANFL teams view the Foxtel Cup as a Mickey Mouse competition setup for the benefit of the AFL and their sponsors, rather than being in the interests of the clubs, and until the AFL convinces them otherwise, they are not going to accept.

          For the record, I am a passionate Redlegs supporter and would love to see them embrace this competition, but I am 100% behind the board, which has transformed the club in recent years from a basket case to a powerhouse, to act in the best interest of the club.

          • December 15th 2011 @ 12:02pm
            Stabpass said | December 15th 2011 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

            No doubt i exagerated the the fact that QLD may overtake SA football as part of the top 3 comps, and i have no data etc to back me up, but its just a feeling that SA football is in a slump, i read about a hell of a lot of initiatives from other states, womens football, grass root funding, auskick out of school, new clubs starting etc, but i hear/read bugger all about what SA footy gets up to, and it may simply be a cse of me not paying atention … but……

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            December 15th 2011 @ 1:55pm
            The Cattery said | December 15th 2011 @ 1:55pm | ! Report


            South Australians suspicious of the national body – tell me it isn’t so!!

            • December 15th 2011 @ 4:58pm
              Adrian said | December 15th 2011 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

              Sorry Cattery, don’t want to lie to you, its all a big Victorian conspiracy. You can ask any South Aussie, we all know its true!

              Stabpass, over the last four or five years, the SANFL has been very proactive, particularly from the perspective of encouraging crowds, and crowd averages have been trending upwards for some time now. Obviously things will never return to the heyday of the ’70s, but the SANFL aims to move forward as a relevant competition, protecting its own history and integrity, and I think its a worthy goal.

              I would hazard a guess that your perception of a slump stems from our AFL presence, which would certainly be a fair perception. In my experience, football below the AFL level in SA gets little coverage interstate (assuming you have an interstate perspective?).

              To be honest, I’m not well versed on a more grass roots level, so can’t really comment, however, I would note that its a common criticism of the AFL that it spends significantly on grass roots in “expansion” territory, and not so much in traditional states. Not sure how accurate this perception is.

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                December 15th 2011 @ 5:28pm
                The Cattery said | December 15th 2011 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

                I would hazard a guess that the dollar the AFL spends per participant in expansion territory is greater than the dollar the AFL spends per participant in traditional areas.

              • Roar Guru

                December 15th 2011 @ 6:07pm
                The_Wookie said | December 15th 2011 @ 6:07pm | ! Report

                traditionally, the AFL funds Auskick nationally, although it may be locally run through state chapters in WA and SA. The WAFL in particular is very proactive development wise with all clubs assigned a development zone, and the WAFL heavily involved in indigenous development programs. What the SANFL does in this regard I have no idea.

                The WAFL and the SANFL have always been wary of AFL attempts to hijack development, as this would be viewed as another attempt to take away their independance.

                Its worth noting that the AFL does fund a number of initiatives that grassroots football clubs can take advantage of, including insurance and administrative support. With its sponsors it has a number of infrastructure and indigenous development programs, as well as the AIS and various TAFE programs in various states. The notion that the AFL ignores the grass roots is a lie.

                As for the dollar per participant being greater in expansion territories, a lot of this is going to be facility development. How many times have you heard people say theyve never or rarely seen an australian football field or club. I dont think more is spent on auskick as I believe thats a standard package that goes to all particpants regardless of state or expansion.

      • Roar Guru

        December 13th 2011 @ 11:59pm
        The_Wookie said | December 13th 2011 @ 11:59pm | ! Report

        which is their own choice. There is currently a 60k first prize – up 20% on last year – which is more than enough for most second tier comps, and a further 250k prize money throughout the competition. Thats not to be sneezed at by any second tier club – except the greedy SANFL teams who have an overblown salary cap that is almost exclusively funded by the mandatory dividends that are breaking Port Adelaide in the AFL, and slowly eating away at Adelaide.