Kiwis and Saffers well ahead of Aussies

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    It seems that after just seven rounds of Super Rugby in 2012, Australian teams are falling off the pace of the high-flying Kiwis and Saffers.

    New Zealand is slightly edging South Africa thus far, with two SA and four New Zealand teams making up the top six of a combined points log.

    If we count only non-neutral matches, New Zealand and South African teams have met 10 times, with five wins apiece. There are three away wins for New Zealand versus two away wins for SA. Evenly matched.

    SA and Australian teams have faced off six times, with four wins for SA versus two for Australia. Two of the SA wins came in Australia, while none of the Aussie wins were in SA.

    This gives SA a slight advantage over the Aussies.

    New Zealand and Australian teams have played eight times, with six wins for New Zealand versus two for Australia. New Zealand have claimed two away wins; Australia has none.

    It has been a one-sided affair.

    In summary, it seems that the Aussie conference is somewhat weaker and more evenly spread than the others.

    With the top Aussie side guaranteed a finals spot, yet currently lying seventh on the log, it adds fuel to an already under-fire qualification system.

    South Africa 5 – 5 New Zealand
    South Africa – 4 – 2 Australia
    New Zealand – 6 – 2 Australia

    New Zealand – 11 wins, seven losses for a win ratio of 61 percent (away wins 45 percent)
    South Africa – nine wins, seven losses for a win ratio of 56 percent (away wins 44 percent)
    Australia – 4 wins, 10 losses for a win ratio of 29 percent (away wins – 0 percent)

    *Only non-neutral matches have been counted.

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    • April 13th 2012 @ 6:08am
      mania said | April 13th 2012 @ 6:08am | ! Report

      ok i’ll admit i’m the first to jump on the bandwagon when its anti aus, but this is just because of rivalry over the many decades i’ve been watching rugby.
      aus rugby hasnt always been this bad. used to be a time when the wallabies greatest strength was beating the AB’s. wallabies were known not for their physicality but for their brains.
      this SR season hasnt been great for aus. you’d think they’d won the WC and wre suffering from the hangover, but they’re still #2 in world. come test time you only need 15 quality players at a time to win a game. aus SR stocks are spread incredibly thing. Rebels seem to have more imports than locals.
      but i believe come test time things will look better, maybe not great but better than it is now

      • April 13th 2012 @ 7:17am
        nickoldschool said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:17am | ! Report

        I dont see the wallabies as the current n2 in the world. True,they kept their irb ranking through a ‘lucky’ win against the Boks in the QF but a ‘real’ n2 wouldnt have lost at home to Samoa and a few weeks later to Ireland. I think 2 to 6 are pretty interchangeable these days (SA, Wales, Oz, France, England) far behind the kiwis.

        When it comes to SR, no doubt we are behind. If the results are not good, the way we lose is even worse. The encouraging thing is that the supposedly weaker team on paper, the Brumbies, is doing well. there is hope.

        • April 13th 2012 @ 11:57am
          Ryan said | April 13th 2012 @ 11:57am | ! Report

          How many times do we need to beat SA in one year to prove we are ahead. I counted 3 from 3 last year. If the Wallabies ain’t number 2 then what are the Boks?? Sixth maybe??

          • April 13th 2012 @ 12:16pm
            nickoldschool said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

            Would love to agree with you but i can’t: we beat an A’ Boks team twice during the Tri Nations (remember they rested a dozen players or so) and won a game we should have never won in the RWC.

            • April 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm
              Ryan said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

              We beat them in Australia, In South Africa and in NZ. A team or not, that’s 3 out of 3. You can only play and beat the team they put on the park and the Wallabies did that 3 out of 3 times last year. You cannot expect the Wallabies to do any better than that.

              • April 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm
                Ryan said | April 13th 2012 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

                Actually was not possible to do any better than that.

            • April 13th 2012 @ 1:50pm
              Justin said | April 13th 2012 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

              Nick thats not right actually – we smashed the A team in AUS and then beat their proper side in SA –

              • April 13th 2012 @ 4:05pm
                nickoldschool said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

                True, i had forgotten they had put their A side for the second TN test in Durban sorry guys.

            • April 13th 2012 @ 4:06pm
              bluerose said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

              so that means Samoa beat an A Wallabies team last year? or its only applies to the Boks

              • April 13th 2012 @ 4:48pm
                nickoldschool said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                the wallabies were at home and at near full strength. If we really were ‘the n2 team in the world ‘ we should have done better than getting smashed by the n10-12 team imo.

          • April 14th 2012 @ 2:38am
            AndrewCT said | April 14th 2012 @ 2:38am | ! Report

            I think you’re missing the coaching factor, but I agree that Aus deserved the second spot last year.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 7:35am
      Lippy said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:35am | ! Report

      Im going to reserve judgment until after the Tri-Nations.
      I believe the ABs will lose the Bledisloe this year with defections and injuries to key personnel Hansen has a tough job on his hands, plus throw in two home games for the Wallabies.
      2012 is about rebuilding for the ABs and now is the best time to get one over the World Camps.
      As for the Super Rugby its no surprise outside of Australia that they are travelling so poorly. When they only had three teams they won the competition twice and never took the wooden spoon.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 7:41am
        mania said | April 13th 2012 @ 7:41am | ! Report

        normally lippy i’d say your right. 1st season after WC is a rebuilding year. the difference with this year is that NZ has more class rookies than it ever has in previous post WC years and they all know that this is the prime time to break into the AB’s. yes we may lose the bledisloe this year, law of avearages support this, but i hope the AB’s do it being progressive and trying out a lot of new combinations instead of staying safe and sticking to the incumbents.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 9:05am
        Justin said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:05am | ! Report

        I didnt think we could use injuries as an excuse but apparently even 3 months out you can 😉

        You are right though since expansion it has made the Aussie teams easier to beat than previously. This will take team to change as the depth slowly builds. In the meantime SA and NZ teams should rejoice at playing AUS teams in the h&A rnds and finals shouldnt they?

        • April 13th 2012 @ 9:49am
          mania said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:49am | ! Report

          not really justin. you only play your best when your pushed to it by a great team. best test i’d ever watched was between aus and nz in 2000. AB’s scored 3 tries in the first 10 mins, by half time aus had equalised. aus went into the lead in the 2nd 40. AB’s won it by scoring a try in the last minute by lomu taking a pass from taineRandell. that was a great game and it was because there were 2 great teams that were pushing their skills to the limit.
          i much prefer a competition than easy wins. losing a game teaches you so much much more than winning. if the AB’s are to get better than we need great teams to play against and (as much as it pains to say it) a few losses as well.

          • April 13th 2012 @ 9:52am
            Justin said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:52am | ! Report

            mania – Iwas talking Super not Tests. I think in the Test arena we will have benfeit from more teams, already have.

            And yes that was a cracking test match as was the 93? Bledisloe.

            • April 13th 2012 @ 10:02am
              mania said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:02am | ! Report

              justin – AB’s lost that series but yeah there were some awesome tries and plays those games. remember coroza going over the line and then getting some rhino plaster work done by richardLoe.

            • April 13th 2012 @ 10:10am
              mania said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:10am | ! Report

              heres the high lights of the 2000 game

              • April 13th 2012 @ 2:38pm
                Markus said | April 13th 2012 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

                Would have been an even better game if Jason Little marked his man 😛

              • April 15th 2012 @ 3:32pm
                Moaman said | April 15th 2012 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

                Mortlock had hair??? 😉

    • Roar Guru

      April 13th 2012 @ 9:30am
      sixo_clock said | April 13th 2012 @ 9:30am | ! Report

      For Australia the Super competition is marginally nationalistic. Some want to dilute that even further so I don’t think it is a reliable indicator of international readiness. The Wallabies have a good mix of World Class players and others that step up, we always have abundant self-belief so any test is always going to be decided by how the team gels on the day.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 10:20am
      Nathan of Perth said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:20am | ! Report

      “South Africa 5 – 5 New Zealand
      South Africa – 4 – 2 Australia
      New Zealand – 6 – 2 Australia”

      Oooh, that leaves a mark…

    • Roar Guru

      April 13th 2012 @ 10:25am
      Sam Taulelei said | April 13th 2012 @ 10:25am | ! Report

      We’ve had 7 rounds of Super rugby. There are still 11 rounds remaining including a break at round 15 for the inbound June tests.

      That means that with a minimum of a win without any bonus points there are 44 points on offer for all teams. Some teams have completed their road trips and others are still to travel. Winning games on the road is the great leveller in Super rugby.

      So far nobody has gone on the road unbeaten to Aus, NZ and SA. Anyone who does will be firmly in the driving seat.

      For everyone who is writing off the Aussies, all I can say is watch out for the Reds to start their climb back into the top six.

      They’re guaranteed four points with the bye this round and while they’ve got some tough matches ahead of them against the Stormers, Crusaders and Chiefs, two of them are at Suncorp which has been a fortress for them so far. They’ll welcome the return of some key players from injury which will strengthen them and they’ve already travelled to Africa.

      It’s normally around this time that the frontrunners start to hit speed bumps and the chasers strike form and generate momentum which changes the landscape of the conference ladder and overall standings.

      The Reds have lost the same number of games as the Crusaders, but nobody is writing them off and they haven’t been playing particularly well either.

      It’s going to be very cramped in the NZ conference with only three teams playing this round. The Hurricanes and Highlanders have byes and will advance to 25 and 26 points respectively this weekend. The Chiefs and Crusaders have very tough opponents to overcome and losses for both of them reduces the gap between themselves and their rivals in the NZ conference and the chasing Reds.

      • April 13th 2012 @ 4:55pm
        stuff happems said | April 13th 2012 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

        Good post.Unbeaten on the road is a big challenge. Not sure how often it’s been done. The Stormers game tomorrow against the Crusaders & next week against the Reds should be a real pointer to the final stages. But as you say, long way to go.

    • April 13th 2012 @ 1:11pm
      Riccardo said | April 13th 2012 @ 1:11pm | ! Report


      What he said…

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