AFL is leaving NRL for dead with its TV coverage

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    Earlier this year I wrote an article stating that Foxtel’s AFL coverage would be nirvana for footy fans.

    We’re now five rounds into the 2012 AFL season and it’s clearly evident that the TV broadcast coverage of the AFL, primarily Foxtel’s Fox Footy Channel, has revolutionised sports coverage in this country.

    The centre piece of the Fox Footy Channel’s offering was always going to be the broadcast of every single game of the home-and-away season, which equated to showcasing nine live games of AFL every week to fans.

    There is no doubt that providing Australians access to every single game live is a wonderful achievement for the AFL. However, what has proved just as crucial is the fact the Fox Footy Channel is 24 hours a day. That essentially means that the AFL, in one form or another, is always on TV. Well, pay TV, to be precise.

    However, don’t be fooled into thinking a 24-hour channel merely provides quantity, because where Foxtel’s AFL coverage really shines is its quality.

    In particular, I’m referring to the quality of programming outside of the actual games themselves.

    On the Couch is one of the best sports shows I’ve ever watched.

    The passion, knowledge and professionalism of Gerard Healy, Mike Sheehan and Paul Roos is nothing short of sensational, and combined with the guests that they have on the show, they ensure that the show is can’t-miss TV every Monday night.

    The grilling of Fremantle Dockers coach Ross Lyon earlier in the season was captivating viewing. The hosts asked probing, yet respectful, questions about Lyon’s defection from St Kilda.

    And Lyon, to his credit, never blinked in answering each question with the honesty and thoughtfulness it deserved.

    Whilst the show has been around in one form or another for a long time now, it remains a tremendous asset to the sport, and is one of the jewels in Foxtel’s AFL crown.

    Open Mike, in which one of the best on-air talents in Australia, Mike Sheehan, interviews AFL personalities, and the nightly talk show AFL 360, hosted by Gerard Whateley and Mark Robinson, are just two more examples of the many, many impressive AFL programs on Foxtel.

    However, it’s not just Foxtel’s contribution that ensures the AFL is the best covered sport in Australia. Channel 7 deserves some credit too.

    The Seven Network broadcasts a minimum of 4 games per AFL round, live to the vast majority the country.

    This provides the game with tremendous reach, and access for the public, particularly when you remember that most Australian households do not have Foxtel.

    Combined, Foxtel and the Seven Network’s broadcast ensure that you can’t miss the AFL. It’s a vital tool in the code’s strategy of converting people into fans.

    Compare the AFL’s broadcast to the NRL’s. Four live games on nationally on free-to-air plus a 24-hour channel showing all nine games live, versus one live game on free-to-air, only broadcast in NSW and Queensland, and five games nationally live on Foxtel.

    Any way you look at it, the NRL’s TV broadcast is left for dead compared to that of the AFL.

    That should not be perceived as a criticism of Channel 9, nor Foxtel. Channel 9 is a business that makes its money from advertising revenue, hence the need to show games on delayed telecast. And Foxtel’s NRL coverage is fantastic and getting better every year.

    However, the AFL has set the bar high in terms of TV coverage, and the NRL needs to respond if it wants to keep up.

    The NRL and its broadcasters need to sit down and work out the best way to ensure all stakeholders are happy, and that includes the NRL themselves, the broadcasters, and the fans.

    Without a doubt, the first item on the agenda for the NRL should be how the game can squeeze in some more ad breaks, so that free-to-air networks can reap the financial benefits from their investment, while still showing games live.

    The AFL negotiated a great TV deal and was able to command a price tag of $1.25 billion.

    However, too many rugby league pundits have become hung up on the figure the AFL earned, and have stated that it’s important that the next NRL broadcast rights deal generates the same type of money.

    That’s an irrational and emotional response based on simply wanting the NRL to be perceived as an equal.

    Certainly the AFL’s deal should be used as a benchmark, but the NRL’s TV rights should be negotiated on its own merits. Whether that’s more or less than the AFL deal will be decided by the negotiators, rather than by pride.

    There is no question that the amount the rights are sold for will be important. However, I believe the proposed quality and quantity of the coverage of the winning bid is just as important.

    The NRL’s negotiations shouldn’t just be about money, but how the game will be broadcast.

    Showcasing the game live in all its glory to as many Australians as possible should be paramount in the discussions.

    Author disclosure: In his other job, Ryan has business dealings with Foxtel.

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    Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.

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    • May 1st 2012 @ 4:14am
      Milz said | May 1st 2012 @ 4:14am | ! Report

      Ryan, with all that spin, do you take a cut of Fox Footy’s earnings?

      • Columnist

        May 1st 2012 @ 10:29am
        Ryan O'Connell said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:29am | ! Report

        HAHA! I’m not sure which is funnier, the fact you think its spin, or the question of whether I take a cut!

        • May 1st 2012 @ 9:00pm
          Frank Lee Kennedy said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:00pm | ! Report

          Rugby League should have a hard stand on the soccer issue. Before issuing licences to new owners, they should discard owners of other sports because of conflict of interest.
          These days, any owner of other sports shall declare of their alliance to League first and foremost, so they do not discard the League team as a matter of choice.
          At this stage the IC is toothless, just try to survive in hostile (by Clubs) environment, bur in 10 years time (after lots of Club bosses retire and new ones come in) the setting will be different. I am sure the IC will not be dictated by aging geriatrics from Club level and will do what is best for League. We are going to be the No.1 sport by miles comes 2023 (2 more TV deals later).

          • May 1st 2012 @ 10:42pm
            A1 said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:42pm | ! Report

            Um…what?

            • May 2nd 2012 @ 8:52am
              Australian Rules said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:52am | ! Report

              I hear what Frank’s saying…

              Private owners SHOULD be forced to swear an oath…and there should be ceremonial pomp which befits such an occasion…with hooded cloaks, heaps of candles, a saucer of bird blood and a pentagon drawn on the ground…

              Just throwin some ideas around..

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 7:59pm
                Frank Lee Kennedy said | May 2nd 2012 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

                KKK? Hmmm. In a bit more sophisticated way, we are in OZ. Palmer’s way is the highway, Tinkler’s way is the shame way. Do we need billionaires or Community owned Clubs? Rusty said it lately if South does not get better in the next 2 years he will move out. So who is left after, Penn only? St George, Roosters do not need billionaires, the Community is behind them, others should follow suit.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 11:24am
                Australian Rules said | May 3rd 2012 @ 11:24am | ! Report

                To answer your question, member-owned clubs are obviously the best structure but whether there are enough people willing to buy memberships is another thing.

                If we’ve learnt anything about sport in Australia over the last 12 months, it’s that Billionaires do NOT create a stable environment for the clubs that they own.

      • May 1st 2012 @ 1:06pm
        joe blackswan said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

        I thought he might take a cut from CH7…”Four live games on nationally on free-to-air “….that is just a false statement. CH7 is yet to broadcast more then 2 live games into perth over a w/end (this season), and have never broadcast a friday night game live (game has finished before end of 1st qtr broadcast). 5 digital channels and they don’t use any of them to broadcast all 4 games live….poor form CH7. WA mustn’t be a valued market for AFL.

        • Columnist

          May 1st 2012 @ 2:49pm
          Ryan O'Connell said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

          Hey Joe,

          I don’t live in WA, mate, so I had to take the broadcast deal on its word. If Ch 7 are not providing this, then that is indeed an area for concern, and most definitely ‘poor form’ as you say.

          http://www.afl.com.au/2012-2016%20broadcast%20rights/tabid/17734/default.aspx

          • May 1st 2012 @ 4:35pm
            JamesP said | May 1st 2012 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

            Nope, the deal says ‘live or near live’. Perth are definitely not getting 4 FTA games ‘live’. They are getting 4 FTA games with a combo of live or near live (i.e. delay).

            Friday night an improvement with a 7.30pm start time (as Joe said, game is over by quartertime – which is slightly better than game is over before broadcast begins! (previous scenario with an 8.30pm start).

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              May 18th 2012 @ 8:09am
              TheSportsFreak said | May 18th 2012 @ 8:09am | ! Report

              I hate to say it Joe & James, but the broadcast deal that is stated for WA is exactly how 7 has done it.
              Saturday arvos were always on delay
              SatN would always be live or near live (it’s been live if it’s a WA team and delayed for 2 interstate teams)
              Sunday’s been live unless the game’s in Perth, then they have to have a half hour delay because of Fox’s coverage.
              Friday night’s were always going to start at 7pm.
              The problem though with the coverage is when the regular schedule is skewed – ie when there’s a Thursday night or Monday game that’s covered on Seven, they usually let go coverage of a Saturday free to air game.
              They only have to show 4 games a week on Free To Air… I doubt they’ll go out of their way to show more than that.

      • May 1st 2012 @ 9:17pm
        Bludger said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:17pm | ! Report

        Problem with NRL I find is, besides the sport itself, purely on an atmospheric level. They play matches in tiny stadia, with grass banks and really poor attendances.

        Really, what major sport in the world, which purports itself to be a major code of a nation, plays in front of such small crowds? The NFL, English soccer, NBA all look fantastic because of the packed crowds.

        Maybe NRL should just stage their games at 15k grounds which always sell out in order to make it a better atmosphere. Anything more than that is excessive.

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 2:01am
          81paling said | May 2nd 2012 @ 2:01am | ! Report

          Other major sports “which purports itself to be a major code of a nation, plays in front of such small crowds?” Greater Western Sydney vs West Coast at Blacktown, total crowd size = 6,875. It is best not to make silly remarks like this Bludger when facts that under mine you are so easy to find, heheee!

        • May 3rd 2012 @ 1:09am
          Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | May 3rd 2012 @ 1:09am | ! Report

          Not all people like that fancy stuff. Trying to get out of Lang Park after a blockbuster game between the Broncos and Cowboys is a nightmare. If you’re seated in the top rafters then it takes an eternity to get down the stairs.

          I’m a ticketed member of the Wynnum-Manly Seagulls. They have a beautiful little grandstand, a shed and a bank. The bank is pretty popular among families. The shed (chook pen) was packed out for the game against the Dolphins. The noise that the fans in the chook pen make provides a great atmosphere. I love it. I park nearby, walk to the ground, show my season pass to the bloke at the booth, then go sit in the Arthur Lovell stand. It’s quick, it’s easy and it’s comfortable. I prefer that to the nightmare that is Lang Park.

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      May 1st 2012 @ 6:38am
      steve b said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:38am | ! Report

      Its going to be an uphill battle for the N.R.L to compete wIth the A F.L Seeing that they already have the jump om teams in just about every state while the N.R.L are still running around in circles trying to work out what they do next ..If the N.R.L are serious about wanting to get the same sort of deal as A.F.L for t.v rights they first need to play catch up and start promoting the game a lot more than they do in the other states..Adelaide has a lot of N.R.L fans but you might as well be on moon if you are trying to get any info of the t.v down their about N.R.L . .Perth is a little better . Darwin was all A.F.L when i was their . If the N.R.L. are serious about trying to increase their fan base,, these are the places they need to be consintrating on and getting teams in these areas,, so the NATIONAL RUGBY LEAGUE is exactly that .. Otherwise trying to get the same deal for .N.R.L as A.F.L is nothing more than spin and wishful thinking which the powers of the N.R.L. seem to be very good at .. All talk and no action .

      • May 1st 2012 @ 9:35am
        jdubya said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:35am | ! Report

        The AFL has the jump on the NRL only because we have given them a free run for almost two decades. Prior to Super League we were leaving them for dead. As it stands right now the AFL has stretched itself to maximum capacity, they have no more room for growth, while rugby league i about 50% of what it could be, and was.

        The AFL is not experiencng a period of strength it is experiencing a long period of weakness from rugby league. But I feel we are turning the corner and one day we will be back to our former greatness

        • May 1st 2012 @ 9:56am
          JamesP said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:56am | ! Report

          No capacity for growth? They have just launched 2 new teams in non traditional AFL markets – there is only upside to come 🙂

          • Roar Guru

            May 1st 2012 @ 11:28am
            steve b said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:28am | ! Report

            JamesP Exactly and the rumour is their not going to stop their , This b.s. about not worrying about what A.F.L is doing
            the N.R.L. better sit up and take notice .. Maybe they are winning the ratings in two states but thats it ,,and thats the truth not someone playing with numbers to justify their argument ..i just hope whatever deal the N.R.L are doing benifits the game and grows our fan base not just in the eastern states but AUS wide or A.F.L. wil be the ultimate winner in the long run ..

            • May 1st 2012 @ 11:44am
              Pot Stirrer said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:44am | ! Report

              Steve b. Its not just any 2 states but the best 2 states, And if the NRL concentrate on the NRL they will be already doing what you might think they should react to. There is no rush for expansion apart from monetry terms, Expansion only dilutes the quality of the product, Look at AFL, What other sport in the world would you be able to convert a bloke to be able to play at the highest leval whos played less game than a 10 yr old? Just name me one where you can give an example, apart from AFL ofcourse.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 11:57am
                Jaceman said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:57am | ! Report

                PS

                I assume you are just being provocative. Brian Carney for one played Gaelic footy before playing NRL. How about That NFL footballer who played first grade for Newtown Manfred Moore. The Western Reds bought retired West Coast Eagle Barich who never played League. The Storm are also happliy projecting that they seek AFL kids who didnt make the draft. Hundreds of Union players have never played League but it didnt stop league purchasing them before Rugby went pro. Folau is such an extraordinary athlete but he wouldnt be getting a game in a normal AFL team. BTW he spent a year in the reserve comp if you hadnt noticed which is more than manfred Moore did. They need big bodies, hes an experiment and learning while they get beaten and the other kids are growing and of course the marketing similar to Wendell sailor and the Wallabies where he would have struggled to get a game..On the matter of the Fox Footy channel which is the topic there is not enough content and while the shows are good its costing them a packet and I’m not sure it will last long once the southerners are signed up

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                May 1st 2012 @ 12:14pm
                steve b said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                Pot Stirrer dont get me wrong i am a true N.S.Welshman who has lived in Q.L.D and i love both states
                But the NR.L. are always slow of the mark and just lately havent built up much speed they need expansion , to get jnrs on the ground in other states so we grow and can really call ourselves National we cant do that sitting on our hands .We need every state to have a team a.s.a.p or we will never compete with A.F.L. in the other states never !!

              • May 1st 2012 @ 12:32pm
                Pot Stirrer said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                Didnt Brian Carney play SL in england before he came to Aust, and you may be right but i thought the Manfred Moore didnt make it as a couple of other superbowl winners who trialled with the eels didnt.
                Im not suggesting thier not good athletes just it takes to much emphasis in the current sport to be able to convert.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 1:18pm
                ManInBlack said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

                steve.b

                a single team minimum in each state is only the start.

                The AFL now has 2 teams minimum in each mainland state. That’s a game a week in the domestic market. Also a game a week beamed in on TV that is relevant to the domestic market. (plus we presume an annual 2 local derby matches)

                And importantly twice the players available for clinics and twice the games available for AusKick kids to get on the ground at half time.

                In many respects – that’s how far the NRL is behind regarding expansion.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 1:37pm
                cmarsh16 said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

                Pot stirrer

                “What other sport in the world would you be able to convert a bloke to be able to play at the highest leval whos played less game than a 10 yr old? Just name me one where you can give an example, apart from AFL ofcourse”

                How about former Geelong AFL player Ben Graham going over to play NFL? Amongst numerous other AFL players doing the same thing

              • May 1st 2012 @ 2:12pm
                Pot Stirrer said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

                cmarsh16

                Please are you serious, all they do is punt the ball. You can be a good kicker with out skill or athletic ability.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 2:14pm
                Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

                “Its not just any 2 states but the best 2 states”

                oh dear *cringe*

              • May 1st 2012 @ 3:26pm
                Jaceman said | May 1st 2012 @ 3:26pm | ! Report

                PS Brian Carney went straight from Gaelic footy to ESL. Manfred Moore played first grade for Newtown on the SCG no less…

              • May 1st 2012 @ 7:44pm
                DumpStar said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

                Jaceman,

                Brian Carney played both Gaelic Football and Rugby Union before coming to league. Thus he was well grounded in the mechanics of the game. That said, he is only a winger, where your main skill is having a lot of pace, and being able to finish a play.

                As for Manfred Moore who was an NFL running back, League and Gridiron where much more similar sports at the time and a RB is the spot that would transition the easiest. That said he only lasted 4 games, and he was another winger! A lot less games than Hunt and Falou have done in there AFL stints so far.

                Not sure why you always seem to twist the facts.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 8:17pm
                tiger said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:17pm | ! Report

                brian carney was signed from the dublin blues amateur rugby league team after he was spotted playing for the irish students rugby league team. he was not signed straight from gaelic football, nice try though!

              • May 1st 2012 @ 9:57pm
                ManInBlack said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:57pm | ! Report

                “What other sport in the world would you be able to convert a bloke to be able to play at the highest leval whos played less game than a 10 yr old? Just name me one where you can give an example, apart from AFL ofcourse”

                well…American Samoa turned a ping pong player into their soccer goal keeper……

                One thing you need to understand about sport is that the mechanics of skills in the main should be the easy bit for a coach to educate a talented athlete. How well that athlete can execute under pressure and when fatigued is what makes them a ‘player’. We’ve seen far more failures than successes in ‘converting’.

                While RU and RL seem pretty well interchangeable (after all, it really is the same game, barely more different than say T20 cricket is to Test cricket) – – it’s interesting that they haven’t tried to coax AFL players across. Why not? Sam Mitchell would’ve been a perfect replacement for Darren Lockyer. Would he want to? Seriously doubt it.

                I don’t see soccer really needing to try to woo players from other codes….oh, hang on, in Ireland both Rugby and Soccer are poaching Gaelic players all the time.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 9:58pm
                maximus said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:58pm | ! Report

                Carneys background in RL was tiny. Explain Manfred Moore then….

              • May 1st 2012 @ 11:28pm
                JVGO said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

                manfred Moore was terrible, and he played for Newtown.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 11:43pm
                Phelpsy said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:43pm | ! Report

                NFL

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 4:21pm
                Pot Stirrer said | May 2nd 2012 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                ManInBlack, you have NFI if you think Union and league are the anything like the same.

              • August 4th 2012 @ 11:46am
                George G said | August 4th 2012 @ 11:46am | ! Report

                Best 2 states? Hah that’s a very strange comment. Obvo

        • May 1st 2012 @ 10:51am
          Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:51am | ! Report

          “The AFL is not experiencng a period of strength it is experiencing a long period of weakness from rugby league. ”

          No, it’s experiencing both.

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 3:49pm
          Keith said | May 2nd 2012 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

          NRL leaving AFL for Dead. You must be on drugs or be a Martian! AFL has ALWAYS trumped NRL on any count except SOO. Take player numbers, for example. More ppl play AFL than League, Union & Soccer (combined) over the age of 18. Ask yourself this, Why are there so mant NSW / Qld cricketers playing in the other states? Ans: bcos the AFL has sucked up all the available talent

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 8:33pm
          Frank Lee Kennedy said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

          Very true, jdubya.
          There are 3 major reasons why AFL will have problems in the future. Just to cut it short, I do not go into the details too deeply.
          1 – Oval grounds. Other than the (Cricket) test playing nations, no other country builds oval grounds, suitable for their game. AFL did try to sell its game to all Test playing nations without success so far. Not likely to change.
          2 – 25 players to start a game (18+7) per team. Soccer (football) is struggling to find 11 good players (2-3 subs) worldwide. Young people have many career choices in sophisticated countries so no desire to bend their backs like their parents did in the past.
          3 – Immigration into Australia dramatically changed in the past 60 years. Countries in Europe became wealthy, no need to seek new life in remote parts of the world. The major source of Immigration to OZ in not tall Europeans any more, but a lot shorter Asians, Middle Easterners and Pacific Islanders (except Fiji, who are taller than the rest, they are muscular and short/big fellows). Neither of these really suited for AFL.

    • May 1st 2012 @ 7:13am
      Tupiza said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:13am | ! Report

      Ch 7 has been fairly ordinary so far I think. Sat arvo has been horrible to watch on 7, and Bruce and Dennis have become a bad comedy act on Friday nights. Fox have been great in general, but how Tony Shaw gets paid to open his mouth and speak is one of life’s great mysteries.

      • May 1st 2012 @ 11:59am
        Jaceman said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:59am | ! Report

        Couldnt agree more on Tony Shaw but he may appeal to a certain demographic…

    • May 1st 2012 @ 7:32am
      Mals said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:32am | ! Report

      Fox Sports now only has 1 rugby league show on per week. Poor form! I should get a discount on my Foxtel subscriptions because I have no need for the Fox Sports AFL channel.

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      • May 1st 2012 @ 7:53am
        oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:53am | ! Report

        I shut down one paytv service, and if the NRL get dudded again i will shut off the other. I have decided not to be the victum any longer.
        If enough league fans turn off fox, they will go bust. The internet is the future and it will take over quicker if they see pay flondering. I am sick of league being taken for granted by fox and nine.
        I decided to act. I will wait and see what the deal is like, if it annoys me, bye bye fox.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 1:22pm
          ManInBlack said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          now that the NRL has an independant commission, then, who will you blame if in your view they get dudded??

          I guess oikee, I’ve noticed a lot of us ignorant bystanders pushing big or other numbers about what the NRL should get, what the AFL should’ve got, what the FFA should get – and so on,

          but, how realistic are we? And I guess this is part of the point of the article. What is the NRL going to package and can it find buyers to ensure that it meets YOUR expectations!!! (or Joe Blow who lives around the corner from you).

          The NRL now has to fight for itself. The AFL has done so. Broadcasters don’t go throwing cash around just for personal favours (as much as the soccer folk like to push the Ch.7 quashing the NSL on behalf of the AFL theory).

          • May 1st 2012 @ 2:39pm
            oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

            You know what, your absolutely right. You might have thought i might not agree with you, but your dead right.

            Look, the NRL has a huge problem, and what Gallop does not understand is that this code is a business, if he understands he is selling us way short.
            We sell our game to the highest bidder right, true, but what happens if that bidder refuses to sell your game the way you want it sold. ????
            Rugby league is being played the fool, Gallop must think we are all fools, well not me.
            If you sell your game to a bidder and they refuse to promote your game to the public the way you wish it promoted, then why in gods name would you have these fools buy your game again. ???

            Rugby league has been let down by channel 9, badly. Yet Gallop is so single minded, so far up someones backside he is going to sell us down the path again.
            This is where i come in, and i am telling everyone here, and now. If the Commission does the same as Gallop has done, nothing will have changed and we will just be sold the same old same old.

            I think it is nearly time league fans took a stand, if we get soldout this time, we all should protest on the streets and take our game back. Bury the bastardas for not keeping honset and selling us short.
            The game is sold to tv stations for them to seel. That is the key line, for them to sell. This is not being done.
            Now look at AFL.
            Something stinks. I know what it is, time others stopped being lead by the nose and sniff this out and be ready, ready to scream blue murder if we get sold short again.
            We are in the age of a micro chip that can hold more information than all the worlds computers, yet league cant get shown Australia wide. yet i can sit in London and watch the storm live. No, its not cutting grass anymore.

    • May 1st 2012 @ 7:39am
      Macca said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:39am | ! Report

      I was impressed with the Channel 7 crew they use on Sundays. The match Swans vs Hawthorn was well compered I thought by Alistair Lynch, Mark Riccuito and I can’t remember who else? but they really were a good team. I will give them more of a go in future.

      So Channel 7 do have some good teams of comperes- Bruce McAvaney and Dennis Commeti are a good team. Leigh Matthews is also good- so Channel 7 have chosen some good people to host their footy matches. Luke Darcy and Tom Harley aren’t that good though.

      • May 1st 2012 @ 8:24am
        Tupiza said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        Hawks v Swans was a Foxtel match, not Ch 7.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 12:09pm
          Jay said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

          it was in sydney.

          • May 1st 2012 @ 1:09pm
            Jerome said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

            You got the Foxtel feed shown on Channel 7.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 1:57pm
              Mango Jack said | May 1st 2012 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

              That was Ch73 (Mate), to be precise

    • May 1st 2012 @ 7:46am
      oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 7:46am | ! Report

      Look, the NRL is a better product. AFL is aweful to watch on TV, if your a league fan and you turn to AFL and try to watch the game, your deeply dissappointed.

      The NRL like you say has no content on Tv, yet our ratings are kicking the hell outta AFL.
      You can have as much AFL content as you like, i have never turned this channel on, and never intend to, i dont follow AFL.
      The NRL has to simply introduce the NRL live around Australia on FTA ans let the game do its work.
      Channel 9 had 12 years to do this down south and failed. They either provide the content or give the game to another station who will.

      Its like any product, you cant sell it if you dont show it, simple. The NRL will get a pretty good deal, even 860 million is double the last deal, so what this means is we have double what we have now. If you put it this way you can see that league will start to grow massively from the next TV deal.
      We also need a team in Perth so we can start selling the game to this city,.
      It does not matter how much content AFL has, or can show, Australia needs other sports content and the reason why the NRL is so strong in the 2 main states, it is a great game fullstop. Perfect TV sport as well.
      It will take off around the country once it is showed regulary, it is easy veiwing and you cant deny this for ever.
      AFL was over paid for its product, it is not a great TV sport, and money now needs to be spent on Rectangle fields around this country because we are lacking decent stadiums. We will have more world cup games in this country in the future, we cant use AFL fields, we need our own, worldclass fields for 3 codes that have been neglected for too long now.
      Even a city the size og Melbourne, 1x 30 thousand stadium for 3 codes of football. Their is really something wrong with that, can you not see something is terrible wrong here. Rectangle games on round feilds dont fit.

      • Roar Guru

        May 1st 2012 @ 8:05am
        The_Wookie said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:05am | ! Report

        Whether the NRL or AFL is a better sport is subjective to the person viewing it. There are AFL fans who cant get into Rugby League too.

        This years AFL ratings are a different story, up 24% apparently (reported on 3aw). Theres some massive differences on some rounds at the moment. Having most of the NRL matches shown on Fox and only 3 on FTA is a contributing factor, no doubt. Theres no reason the NRL cant take the same kind of bump in its new deal.

        Heres a problem when it comes to stadiums, governments simply cant afford to build multiple types of stadiums when a decent oval shaped stadium can accomodate them all. The Melbourne arrangment is best use of taxpayers money IMO. 4 teams based on a rectangular field is down right prudent if you ask me. Matches that cant be fit into the MRS can still go to Etihad which CAN be rectangular shaped, and was built privately at no cost to the taxpayer.

        As for them not fitting on oval shaped stadiums, there are many soccer clubs who play inside Athletic tracks for crying out loud. Its far from ideal from a spectator viewpoint, but when you consider that two of the three main crowd drawing sports in this country use an oval field, its actually common sense.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 8:32am
          BigAl said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:32am | ! Report

          Wookie – I am surprised to see you have spent so much time on a response to our famous but confused friend oikee.

          e.g. a quote from his first post here . . . “I decided to act. I will wait and see …” – classic!

          • May 1st 2012 @ 9:34am
            stabpass said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:34am | ! Report

            But Big Al, your quote proves, that you read Oikees posts !!, comic value ?.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 6:37pm
              BigAl said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:37pm | ! Report

              Always ! . . . always.

          • May 1st 2012 @ 10:02am
            eagleJack said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:02am | ! Report

            Gotta love the one man protest!

            My father-in-law did the same after deciding he despised Rupert Murdoch. To teach him a lesson he shut down his Foxtel service. Now we are constantly being bombarded with requests to IQ Premier League games for him so he can watch them when he comes around.

            Rupert hasn’t lost much sleep.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 5:04pm
              Jaredsbro said | May 1st 2012 @ 5:04pm | ! Report

              It does depend on the man tho ;). Your above comments in all their snarky sneery-ness is quite agitating for those of us who actually like changing things about the world. Particularly seeing as people like you seem to never pick sides when it comes to NRL vs AFL…which seems a bit pointless and definitely very in-active for mine!

              And on the me vs you type line of thought, why is it so hard for so many roarers to realise that the media in Australia (rather ironically) covets an American or an English situation, where there’s a clear favourite code of football, and those who don’t follow it can be quite easily labelled as weird or wrong-headed…or conceived of as insane as dear Oikee has been portrayed on this site (funny that 😉 )

              Thus the media place more value on the biggest code and tend to devalue everything else. It’s classic emperor’s new clothes syndrome. The problem is, that much of the perceived value of the AFL comes from its competitors, not just its supporters. If the NRL’s perceived as less valuable, that places more value on the AFL by default. It’s not a fair price at all…classic Capitalism!

        • May 1st 2012 @ 10:05am
          db swannie said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:05am | ! Report

          Wookie you have NFI when it comes to watching games usually played on rectangular fields.
          To say,

          “a decent oval shaped stadium can accomodate them all”
          Shows that you are just another AFL fan thinking that because your game is played on an OVAL that the other winter sports should be too.
          ask any fan what they think of their game played inside an oval where you are a fair way back fom the action & see what they tell you..
          One size does not fit all..
          Go & watch a game at Suncorp where you are on top of the action ,then watch a game at ANZ .

          • May 1st 2012 @ 11:07am
            Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:07am | ! Report

            An oval ground is clearly not good enough for the Rugby codes or the round ball game – it hugely diminishes the live spectacle.

            However, I think the point Wookie was making was that these 3 sports seem to rely purely on goverments forking out millions (if not billions) for new rectangular stadia. Given the crowds rarely justify a newer, larger stadium, there seems to be little justification for doing this. Ask most Sydneysiders what they want $1B spent on…they will say rail, roads, transport infrastructure, education, hospitals…not a flashy new sports stadium.

            That’s the quandary for the NRL and the other codes.

            Governments are more inclined to finance oval grounds for 3 reasons:
            – Most AFL games do get large crowds, and so they’re seen to be justified for the public;
            – they all double as cricket venues (and so they are the most historically/culturally important grounds in Australia); and
            – they can accomodate larger events like Olympics or Comm Games

            • May 1st 2012 @ 4:55pm
              Crosscoder said | May 1st 2012 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

              Yet the state govt spent millions on Skoda stadium ,despite the ANZ being practically next door.that is waste with a capital W.
              And 500 plus million in Adelaide with the economy in that state hardly setting teh world on fire.
              I believe the numbers for 3 codes justify the expenditure.The SFS and ANZ get plenty of usage.
              And of course commonwealth and Olympic games don’t have sports involving rectangualr sports.LOL.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 5:09pm
                Jaredsbro said | May 1st 2012 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

                Damn right! The problem with a lot of the aforementioned logic of people like The Wookie, is that it is basically the-market-will-provide! Fine if you live in a country where there is just one major code. Not so fine if you live in a country where this will never be.

                I take heart from the idea of federation/federalism when it comes to questions like this. Basically what is good for the smallest, should be good enough for the biggest.

              • Roar Guru

                May 1st 2012 @ 6:53pm
                The_Wookie said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:53pm | ! Report

                Look the Skoda stadium decision was a disgrace on the part of the New South Wales government, but it does give them another very good stadium in the Homebush area, whcih will stand them in good stead for world cups – like cricket for instance. I suppose.

                Ive written an entire article somewhere on governments funding stadiums. I cant stand it.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 6:56pm
                Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:56pm | ! Report

                A boutique stadium was a must for the Giants – and the AFL are contributing a minimum $10M.

                Adelaide Oval – budgeted for $535M redevelopment (remember it’s an historically important cricket ground too), the AFL will contribute and have indicated they could cover any cost blow-out above that amount.

                See also: MCG, AAMI Stadium, Metricon, proposed stadium in perth and, of course, Etihad.

                f you demonstrate you’re willing to chip in your own capital, the government is more likely to shell out theirs.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 8:25pm
                DumpStar said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:25pm | ! Report

                Why was a boutique ground a must with Stadium Australia next door (which the AFL contributed $10mil to, to ensure it was an Oval after the Olympics? If anything it was just about the AFL wanting any crowd to look good on TV. I see it become a white elephant, especially if the team is a success, then that ground will be abandoned in a heart beat.

                If anthing it have been better placed at Blacktown where they are crying out for good facilities, and it could have got more use as a multiple purpose venue.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 10:01pm
                maximus said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:01pm | ! Report

                You misunderstand – govts put in money and get back greater rents, Adelaide Oval used for confernce centre, Skoda used for other sports, show, rock concerts etc….do some homework and stop mouthing communist conspiracies..

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 9:02am
                Australian Rules said | May 2nd 2012 @ 9:02am | ! Report

                You’re absolutely right Dump.

                The AFL did not want 15,000 in a venue like ANZ. They’ve seen how that looks in the NRL and it’s terrible.

                In terms of Blacktown, I agree that would have been a better location but we’re not privy to how a stadium location gets chosen. Perhaps considered too far from those coming from the East..?

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 3:09pm
                Renegade said | May 2nd 2012 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

                “The AFL did not want 15,000 in a venue like ANZ. They’ve seen how that looks in the NRL and it’s terrible.”

                I agree. 15’000 looks bad, imagine how 6’000 would look.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am
                Australian Rules said | May 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                Not great.

                5703 Penrith v Souths Penrith 30-May-2011
                6148 Manly v Canberra Brookvale 09-May-2011
                6313 Cronulla v Gold Coast Titans Endeavour 06-Aug-2011
                6513 Cronulla v Newcastle Endeavour 23-Jul-2011
                7340 Cronulla v North Queensland Endeavour 23-Apr-2011
                8021 Souths v Gold Coast Titans Stadium Australia 17-Jun-2011

          • May 1st 2012 @ 11:12am
            oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:12am | ! Report

            I dont like the fact he said he was born in Brisbane. Who, who would turn their back on rugby league, definately not a Brisbane born and bred. I refuse to accept that Wookie. 🙂
            And another thing, no, rugby league fans wont be enjoying all sports, we love league, will fight for league and die for league, so get that into ya. 🙂
            Nothing worse than a AFL fan coming along and saying, hey, its alright to like more than one sport, when they cant even turn up to support international codes, and NRL terams or Origin games. I know this because a city of over 4 million has not yet sold out origin 1.
            I will even go as far to say, we should take our Origin games to others cities, Melbourne should be last to get them unless they are presold.
            Our game needs to wake up to itself, stop being pushed around like a wet blanket, its annoying and weak, if they really cant do the job, step aside, i will get our game moving forward, and i wont be taking any prisoners, you know me. 🙂
            Fired up, 2 tawny ports.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 11:32am
              Renegade said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:32am | ! Report

              Hahaha that is an awesome post Oikee….i can feel the passion coming through the screen when reading it.

              In all fairness to melbournians though, there are still over 3 weeks until Origin 1….plenty of time for the game to be built up and tickets sold.

              • May 1st 2012 @ 12:08pm
                oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

                Why be fair, 2 origin games in QUEENSLAND sell out 105 thousand tickets in less than 2 hours, the processing cant keep up.
                Get that into you Victoria. you so-called sports capital my . Barrrrrppp.
                We (the so-called game, the commish the fools the muppets) whatever you wish to call them, professioanl is not a word ever to be used describing rugby league, need to be mindful of the fans, because we(the fans) is all this game has got.

                Until i see someone who will not take a backward step, not be a puppet to TV stations, not be scared to have a bloooody go, i wont ever call this game professional, because its not, it has no heart no passion, only the fans, .
                Get that into ya weak, pathetic NRL. = dogs breakfast.
                Yes i have more passion in my little toe thatn this mob running our game.
                Come on, face to face NRL, i will splitter my disgust onto you, you embreo.

              • Roar Guru

                May 1st 2012 @ 6:50pm
                The_Wookie said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

                haha Oikee if you have lack anyhthing mate, its not spirit.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 11:48am
              Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:48am | ! Report

              “Nothing worse than a AFL fan coming along and saying, hey, its alright to like more than one sport, when they cant even turn up to support international codes, and NRL terams or Origin games.”

              Can someone please translate this for me?

            • May 1st 2012 @ 2:15pm
              Michael/Brisbane said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

              Oikee, a city of 4m havn’t sold out origin 1?
              Well mate a city of 4.5m havn’t sold out their origin either, and that’s in the heart of rugby league. I’d say you have bigger problems..

              • May 1st 2012 @ 2:52pm
                Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

                Brisbane is the sporting capital of the world.

            • May 2nd 2012 @ 2:35pm
              Crosscoder said | May 2nd 2012 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

              So the govt let the team play a few games in Canberra too underutilise the Skoda stadium where they outlaid plenty of money,regardless of the minimal amount the AFL threw in.

              And in addition to that the ACT govt is kindly using more taxpayers’ money to build infrastructure for GWS playing there,more so than the already regular teams the Raiders and Brumbies.

              The SFS has had stuff all done to it,and needs a roof ,is used by 3 codes who have been established as major sports for decades,yet get zero attention.
              Ditto a roof for ANZ.

              Govt policy code pay token monies,we build monolith which you can take advantage of . Meanwhile well utilised stadiums ,needing upgrades can please themselves.
              Government of the people ,with the people money for the few.
              Or never in the fields of sporting history has so much been accomplished by so few for so few.

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 3:42pm
                Australian Rules said | May 2nd 2012 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

                Whining for more money isn’t enough CC.

                Demonstrate 2 things:
                1) You’re willing (at least) to inject some of your own capital;
                2) The stadiums (SFS and ANZ) have outgrown their capacity and can no longer deal with the crowd numbers.

                If those 2 things are happening, I guarantee you’ll get your govt funding.

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 8:54pm
                Crosscoder said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:54pm | ! Report

                It is actually the point of showing inequality ,by a government in the past who claimed they did not have the money.If that is whining,good that’s the only way to get things done
                .
                The other codes injected millions into the economy via taxes over the decades for starters.Via poker machine tax as an example.

                The ANZ stadium does not have a roof and is packed for SOO/internationals also for other codes,and grand finals and is not geared for a rectangular sport.
                The SFS is used by the three codes,and has hardly had any renovation for yonks
                .
                If you believe because a code puts in a token amount and plays some of its games in Canberra should take precedence over the three other codes,then it shows exactly why many are a tad angry with govt and the bull in the china shop attitude prevailing.

                How many stadiums around oz are full all the time, even in Mebourne
                ,Docklands has many empty seats,and even the Swans with 35,000 available due to renovations got 21,000.The Gabba is nowhere near full.

                Please then explain why t3 codes should be treated as lesser lights being domiciled here for decades,and multi utilisng stadiums.Please explain why local NRL clubs have been trying for decades to get improved facilities for their fans without much success (ask Manly),yet someone can roll into town offer a few million and the governemnt can find another 40 plus million,which they apparently didn’t have before.
                And if you believe the ACT deal is not going to cause a stir,ask some of the local tax and ratepayers.

                Theargument in the nd is not about one code receiving govt largesse.the argument is about all codes receiving what any taxpayer is entitled fairness.And if you can find fairness,then I am douglas Mawson.
                When you can justify govt spending when they claim they were broke ,and ignore the other 3 codes who between them monoplise the spectator base in NSW,then you have shown minorities do rule after all.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 11:53am
                Australian Rules said | May 3rd 2012 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                CC

                In 2011 ANZ Stadium averaged 17k for the NRL season.

                So far in 2012, the biggest crowds at ANZ have been:
                1. T20 Aus v Ind game – 60k.
                2. GWS v Syd – 38k
                3. Sou v Cant – 35k.
                Yes, it gets good crowds for Bledisloe, Origin and the NRL GF (and maybe a Socceroos WC qualifying game). That’s a max of 4 stand-alone events per year which may attract a near-capacity crowd.
                After 5 rounds of AFL in 2012, there has been 6 games with 70k+ at the MCG.

                It’s chalk and cheese.

                As for some games not full at Etihad, of course that happens, no stadium can be full every week. But the difference there, is that the AFL paid for it.

          • Roar Guru

            May 1st 2012 @ 6:48pm
            The_Wookie said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:48pm | ! Report

            As above, my beef is with governments forking out millions for specialist stadiums that can only be used by certain sports. If a government is going to build a stadium it should be for all. The on;y way this can be achieved in Australia is by building an oval – prefeably with moveable seating (ala etihad stadium)

            • May 2nd 2012 @ 6:39pm
              Jaredsbro said | May 2nd 2012 @ 6:39pm | ! Report

              But why us for all an oval shape The_Wookie? In as far as the ground can be used by three codes, sure not as extreme as using one for all four, but three’s pretty good. 😉

              I’m actually not in favour of using Etihad-sized grounds for every other game…but if the tri-codes’ admin work together financially they don’t need to. And they don’t need to subsidise Australian Football either.

              • Roar Guru

                May 2nd 2012 @ 8:38pm
                code 13 said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

                I have to agree with Jaredsbro there.

                Ovals – AFL/Cricket and in some cases Athletics
                Rectangular – NRL/Rugby/Soccer

                Surely that’s enough usage to justify their existences.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 12:01pm
          Jaceman said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

          True but soccer clubs on athletic tracks are in countries where soccer is king not fighting for eyeballs with 3 other footy codes…

      • Columnist

        May 1st 2012 @ 10:32am
        Ryan O'Connell said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:32am | ! Report

        oikee, saying one game is better than the other is pure subjectivity, and you should know by now that I hate code wars.

        This article is based purely on the respective TV deals and coverage that the two games get. And at this stage, you’d have to give the points to the AFL by a wide margin.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 11:16am
          oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:16am | ! Report

          They annoy me Ryan. Its not a code war, its AFL thinking they are so much better than any other code. Plus they have money to bury most other codes. We sit around like stunned mullets doing nothing.

          I want to see our game do things better, having a top of a table clash the weekend of Origin is not inspiring me mate, does it inspire you. NO.
          Dont you dare say yes.
          Now some damm fool drew up this season timetable, sack them now, not toomoorow.

          • May 1st 2012 @ 12:04pm
            Jaceman said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

            Oikee the NRL have done nothing?? They have put NRL games up against AFL games for years, taken the NRL to other states, have spent a lot of money in western Sydney fighting off the invaders, spent money on ads to get good press – what more should they do??

        • May 1st 2012 @ 5:21pm
          Jaredsbro said | May 1st 2012 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

          Yes but Ryan, the moment you start comparing the two codes in anything you’re going to get this 😉 And the way you framed it was all but baiting us challenge the Emperor/AFL’s new clothes type of people.

          And even the paradigm you’re using is a loaded fight, tho you probably don’t realise it: that TV ratings-dollars are worthy of praise even though a lot of the AFL’s success is because the NRL’s perceived as being undervalued/underapreciated. A fairer fight is to inquire as to why the NRL is perceived as being not worthy of being shown live as it is in the North.

          Oikee’s tackling this from a trouble-making perspective…but essentially comparisons are useless unless we have a (hypothetical anyway) free sports-watching market and we’re clearly not getting that, because the media doesn’t want it…because the English and American models make more money, but fans are left having to fork our far more dosh in order to see many games at all!

      • May 1st 2012 @ 11:24am
        oikee said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:24am | ! Report

        AFL fans are anti any other code. So why is it so wrong for me to be anti AFL. I am not going to sit around and only be able to watch AFL on TV. If that is your future, i refuse to be part of it.
        This country is suffering because AFL is strangling the life outta other codes.
        Well i am hard kill, your not taking me down lightly, i will fight with all my breath.
        My great grandkids will be able to watch international sports in this country. I will die for that right,. Yeah bring it on, come-on.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 11:49am
          Nathan of Perth said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:49am | ! Report

          “AFL fans are anti any other code.”

          I was an AFL fan first off and I’m not anti other codes <.<;

          • May 3rd 2012 @ 1:05am
            Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | May 3rd 2012 @ 1:05am | ! Report

            There are some really nice Aussie rules fans. But people tend to remember negative experiences more than positive ones. The negative experiences I’ve had with Aussie rules fans pop up in my mind whenever I see or hear about the game.

            oikee is right about Aussie rules. It is trying to strangle the life out of the other codes. I know it’s a business that’s trying to grow, but that doesn’t mean I have to like what it’s doing. I don’t like it when McDonalds chains drive local businesses underground. Nor do I like it when I see a super rich sporting body (AFL) using its money to make life hard for local sporting clubs that have a long and proud history in Queensland.

        • May 1st 2012 @ 11:52am
          Sean said | May 1st 2012 @ 11:52am | ! Report

          Wow.

          • May 1st 2012 @ 12:37pm
            Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

            Poor guy..

            • May 1st 2012 @ 3:45pm
              Sean said | May 1st 2012 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

              If you want a picture of the future, imagine a studded Australian Rules football boot stamping on a human face — forever.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 4:37pm
              Australian Rules said | May 1st 2012 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

              I think we can all agree on one thing…

              Australian Rules Football WILL destroy the very fabric of civilisation as we know it.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 5:29pm
              Jaredsbro said | May 1st 2012 @ 5:29pm | ! Report

              It’s all very well for the enlightened AFL primary fans, those who were brought up on the stuff as tho it were their mother tongue, to talk (who talk on this website) about being pluralistic. It makes you all seem very genuine, but many of those who love the code have strongly derogatory opinions of those who do not…and consequently the code of these anti-AFLers becomes perceived as at fault.

              One most recurring example is the consequent references by various (women roarers it has to be said) who refer to Rugby League as a Misogynistic sport, because they perceive it gets the muscles of misogynists pumping.

              And in a similar way (unfortunately) the women demographic is often thought of as shirking Rugby League for say Australian Football. And it is these prejudices which pay the mark to the AFL as in many places it is almost the Universal Church.

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 5:45pm
                Jaceman said | May 2nd 2012 @ 5:45pm | ! Report

                Some of us have been bought up on NRL half truths about RU, AFL and soccer journos and Sydney people especially dont seem to have access to opinions apart from Sydney ones becuse most of the media is based there so people like Masters write rubbish (often adjusted if it makes the Age (rarely because it is rubbish) and so when we see an untruth wee like to correct it. Sometimes we go over the top but having worked in Sydney/Melb media for 20 years, the number of falsehoods in Sydney media about AFL is 10 times the reverse…

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 9:27pm
                Crosscoder said | May 2nd 2012 @ 9:27pm | ! Report

                Please half truths ,I have read enough in the Melboure press about rugby league ,to make comedy routines my life’s work..

                The suggesion that people in Sydney are somehow incapable of assessing sport stories ,when many of the sports stories in Sydney are anti NRL is laughable.

                imagine a NRL player assisting the coaching staff at the Storm,telling all who want to know,the NRL is pouring tens of millions in the code,and this will have ramifications for the other code in melbourne.brereton got his five minutes of fame in sydney.Or a journo like Neil cordy ,when he gets the opportunity to have a dig at rugby league in the melbourne press.
                Caroline Wilson,Graham Cassidy some of the Bs they throw upabout rugby league ,is embarrassing.Melbourne based naturally.

                Just compare the obsessive melbourne sporting press and compare to the coverage of other sports in Sydney Chalk and chesse.Now wait the code down south is having their own media setup, bit like the North korean press reporting on North Korean politics..

                All I can say Jaceman ,OPSM is awaiting.People appear to see what they want to see.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 2:06am
                81paling said | May 3rd 2012 @ 2:06am | ! Report

                Crosscoder the comedy routine idea, just a tip, don’t give up your day job 😉

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 10:31am
                Crosscoder said | May 3rd 2012 @ 10:31am | ! Report

                Rest assured 81paling,I take life too seriously for comedy.That is why my face is lined,following a team like the Sharks.
                I get enough laughs from some of the posters from the southern code.

              • May 4th 2012 @ 1:21am
                81paling said | May 4th 2012 @ 1:21am | ! Report

                Crosscoder I understand, poor old Sharky’s , I have always wondered what life would be like for them if they had a media giant backing them in the way the Storm does. If they had won 4 premierships, allowed by their owners to cheat knowing that these owner could would and have silenced anyone who spoke out. What if the sharks had been able to pick the best from the Australian School boys teams for years and pay them whatever they wanted and give them relocation deals that can be manipulated in such a way as to fall outside the salary cap.
                If that were the case Crosscoder there would be a very different Shire with Dragons heartland in the Gong rather than St George.
                The AFL product may not be nearly as good as what NRL have, it may be messy with no real flow to it, there may not be the intensity of being able to watch tides turn like there is in NRL but they do have one distinct advantage they have NEWS (a company run by a managing director that is a moral vacuum deemed this week to be morally not fit to hold the position that he does as stated by the British Parliament)at their feet begging for more and pleading with them about what they can do to get more content.
                Whilst the NRL are 50% owned by NEWS, have 2 clubs majority owned by them, and try to convince us all through there own publications that they are going to do a fair deal with themselves that benefits the game are they convincing anyone as they do a pretty good job at keeping the focus off them. It would be a real concern if AFL was a genuinely interesting and good product due to the fact that they could the go to the AFL and say give us what we want and we will crush the game we own.
                Fortunatley that will not happen because AFL has stopped growing at any convincing rate and is a poor product to start with, hence the reason it has stopped expanding in its current venture failures.

              • May 4th 2012 @ 5:56pm
                Jaceman said | May 4th 2012 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

                So Murdoch begging for AFL content is bad but when Murdoch threw money at NRL to undermine packer for Pay TV that was OK…

              • May 5th 2012 @ 10:59pm
                Poor Boy Blues said | May 5th 2012 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

                Well there is a 1 billion dollar starting offer to be tabled on Monday. In the paper.

                Lets hear the next round of excuses from the AFL lovers. Its not exactly a chasm, is it.

                I think the ERMC (name incorrect sorry) guy way above had the right of it with his posted stats. Everyone else, interesting argument, but baaah. Whatever.

                Like to see the next round of AFL excuses.

              • May 5th 2012 @ 11:04pm
                Poor Boy Blues said | May 5th 2012 @ 11:04pm | ! Report

                (what I truly mean but deviously did not post until now, is) Maybe one day the codes can respect each other when they have maxed out everything, and are still pretty much even. I will refrain from mentioning internationals, state of origin, ect, obviously AFL has blockbusters.

                Revue may be bigger, but given time, and I appreciate ERMC’s overlooked stats post. Go back and read it. I mistakenly gave him a bad rap (I was refering to someone else).

                A 1 billion starting point – so its called – and 10 and 7 are yet to bid. And would they not – they could use a high rating ad returner, falling profits or not. A spanner in the works, at the least.

                Only time will tell. Until then, let us enjoy our games.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 5:36pm
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

                In North Korea there is one news presnter here we have thousands esp you CC…

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 9:33pm
                Matt_S said | May 2nd 2012 @ 9:33pm | ! Report

                Jaceman, what a load of rubbish. Rugby league has never been attacked more in this country than what has happened over the last decade-all from the Sydney based media.

                In Melbourne, you rarely hear the truth about AFL, your own sport hides behind a compliant Victorian media. It threatens journalists who don’t toe the line, it has even been proven in court documents.

                Give me some examples of the Sydney media and it’s love affair with the NRL? Sunrise? Based in Sydney, let’s see Mel plugs GWS, a 2 year club without no knowledge of Sydney’s finest sports clubs. Kochie-oh Port, Berrett-oh Geelong.

                Let’s see, the Today show- AFL grand final week live from Melbourne as the whole crew went there. The NRL GF? just a lousy cross over -from the so-called NRL channel.

                let’s take The Project on Ten-3 hosts, 2 from Victoria, 1 from SA. Again, an AFL plug fest.

                There is little affiliation with NRL on most chat shows.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 1:46am
                Queensland's Game is Rugby League said | May 3rd 2012 @ 1:46am | ! Report

                The AFL has its own media department now. I saw it on Media Watch last week. What’s the likelihood of them offering balanced reportage on the game?

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am
                db swannie said | May 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am | ! Report

                QGIRL.
                Excatly right .
                As CC said it will be like the N Korean Govt run Newspaper reporting on itself.
                You will need a Bulldozer to shift the amount of feelgood/wonderful stories that this PR machine will churn out.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 10:06am
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 10:06am | ! Report

                read something else if you dont trsut them…

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 10:14am
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 10:14am | ! Report

                Watch something else if you dont trust them…

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 10:12am
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 10:12am | ! Report

                Project – melbourne based show and ten had the rights – who would have guessed??
                Sunrise had Kangaroos jersey hung up behind them last week but you ahve the advantage on Sunrise watching
                Nine trying to nbe more balance dbecause in southern states Nine perceived as Sydney/NRL backers and consequently ratings numbers lower esp perth.

                My favourite Nine story – telecasting AFL GF paprade, commentaotr stops one bystander who finishes by saying “Good Luck to Saints in Sydney GF on Sunday” – staged they all do it but Nine are the masters BTW Masters living in Melbourne has written garbage on AFL fro 15 years. Melbourne journos rarely mention NRL

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 11:17am
                Crosscoder said | May 3rd 2012 @ 11:17am | ! Report

                The Sydney council gave the swans a grand final parade.The West tigers the same year couldn’t crack one.
                I think I know which city does more than its fair share.

                The last line is cock and bull.Wilson,,Smith have been ripping in to rugby league for years.To suggest they do it rarely showsc omplete lack of balanc or indeed observation.

                Wilson’s famous line “How many hits can this game take”.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 11:45am
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 11:45am | ! Report

                The Storm and North melbourne shared the GF paprade in 1999 in MELBOURNE. When has any Sydney council given any NRL team a GF parade…?? The city won the biggest footy code title in the country and celebrated – if they won again they wouldnt get one. Did Leichhardt council give them a paparde – no because they are a “joint venture”(sic)

                Wilson and Smith – Smith used to but then realised his employers bankroll the NRL so eased off. Wilson did on TV shows and then Nine hired her and she stopped but Wilson rarely writes on NRL unlike Masters and Wilson gives the AFL just as many hits. You dont think the NRL desereved a few hits during Storm cap, Coffs harbour, Brett Stewart, matty Johns etc etc etc. They have lifted their game since then of course…

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 9:38pm
                Crosscoder said | May 3rd 2012 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

                They were a Sydney team ,not a Queensland team,and the team has followers from all over Sydney.St george won the G/F they didn’t get one..Your argument holds no water.who was the state premier ATT,yes M Iemma a Swans fan,who pushed for the parade,which was left to the council…

                Come of the grass Jaceman I am not that naive, I am a subscriber to the Australian and have been so for decades.I spend time in the sport’s section apart from intnl news,business,local etc.News has owned the Storm since 1998,and News and the NRL have been bankrolling them for that period.he has been writing for that medium for quite a while,it is BS to suggest he suddenly realised his boss News were part owners.They have been for ages.

                I read his articles re the NRL ,with comments on violence in SOO games,to attitudes towards women, etc.the negativity has only eased off during recent times,funnily enough since News had a fair idea they would be out of the NRL partnership
                there has been problems with a couple of footballers BTW.
                “You do understand she(Wilson) is a regular on spin city “the Offsiders,and from comment she has made there she has hardly eased off,when the opportunity arise.

                And Rl jounos also rip into the code,you would swear Rothfield was working against the code he reports at times.
                Let me just let you know a prominent detective resigned from the force,because he stated he knew the facts within 24 hours,compeletely against the print media in their frenzy.
                It was ch 9 who did the Johns story.it was ch9 60 minutes who did the story about the AFL invasion of the west.Yep the official rl station.

                The other situations of course should be reporte, .just as I believe the Carlton/Elliot allegations should have been further investigated,instead of the I don’t want to go into it any further.Sweep sweep.

                Your argument that Sydney media carries on and the melbourne media does not,is full of holes as I described.Your views only cement thoughts by more than a few people,,the southerners live in a bubble a times.

              • May 4th 2012 @ 5:54pm
                Jaceman said | May 4th 2012 @ 5:54pm | ! Report

                Ive explained Channel 9 before – survey found in southern Aust they were perceived as Sydney NRL and were broadening – Seven do the same in NSW/QLd – the Swans got a parade organised by the Council not Iemma – the Johns story was on a Currentt Affair because he was an employee and got on the front foot – the original story was Four Corners- AFL money (similar to Hinds writing pro NRL stories) has bought the tele space searching for more Pay Tv subs. I could go on but the Super 15 is on telly. BTW how is the cronulla development going – I’ve seen nothing recently and its been 5 years…

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 5:39pm
                Jaceman said | May 3rd 2012 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

                If Matt_S can show some objectivity then perhaps there is hope for yourself

                Matt_S said | May 1st 2012 @ 9:54pm | Report comment

                To be fair, Patrick Smith has improved way out of sight toward his attitude to rugby league. He is one, if not the only, to also stand up to the AFL in the national media. I think somewhere along the line, he must have thought “wait on, all these scandals that have inflicted the NRL, also happen in the AFL and I won’t be a hypocrite anymore”. So P. Smith has come a long way in my opinion. I will read his articles on league now. Before, he wrote with typical Victorian ignorance.

              • May 3rd 2012 @ 8:06pm
                Matt_S said | May 3rd 2012 @ 8:06pm | ! Report

                Jaceman, the NRL deserved a few hits?- Coffs Harbour, a senior detective resigned because he could not stand the fact innocent people were being rail roaded because the media called for blood. It was a dark day for media reporting in this country. The worst thing to happen was big Willie telling the girl to get out off his face & f^&k off while he played the pokies. Matthew Johns- oh the media become moralists all of a sudden? It was between him & his missus. Even the girls colleagues said she boasted about what happened. Another ABC journo looking for a promotion to one of the big networks. Brett Stewart-another guy innocent but proven guilty by the media.

                And P Smith toning down because of his pay masters. Get real, News ltd led thew above attacks in most cases on NRL. Weaken a product, get it cheap then build it up again. That was it’s disgusting policy of shame.

                I think P.Smith made the same mistakes a lot of Victorians do. They base everything on crowds but didn’t realise the passion for NRL doesn’t always translate into attendances and begin to realise it is as much fabric as most big sports in places like Sydney.

                I see Richard Hinds is now learning this lesson. They soon see a sport rich in history and deserved of its place. A place earned not given as with some other sports.

              • May 4th 2012 @ 5:48pm
                Jaceman said | May 4th 2012 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

                Hinds has been promoted just after the Storm salary cap dramas to write on broader Sydney topics – code for “tone it down” because we are now paying you more while News was negotiating with Fairfax to share printing facilities – now that deal is off and Murdoch is under pressure elsewhere so the SMH hopes to pick up League followers if the tele puts up a paywall like the Herald Sun – interesting they went the herald Sun first. If you dont think the NRL went thru a bad patch some 18 months ago then you are ina small minority – every day there were NRL people crying for some sanity..2 bad Four Corners programs on National TV for 1M viewers in the high demographic is a hit to me before we consider the Storm salary cap scandal which is yet to play out completely.

              • May 2nd 2012 @ 8:30pm
                Crosscoder said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:30pm | ! Report

                Agree with that point Jaredsbro.When in fact the numbers of women/girls who attend NRL matches is not much less than the percentage wise than attend AFL games. Gallop brought the point up about the numbers of females who attend and now we have an u20 Toyota cup referee who is female(Kasey Badger). Around the 40% mark.

                Some of these people need to speak to the group the Eagles Angels at Manly to get the message about this misogynist nonsense. Or attend Sharks games.women volunteers are everywhere for junior clubs both in the city and country.

                The rubbish that swirls around the traps at imes is mind boggling.
                .

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          May 1st 2012 @ 6:41pm
          Richard said | May 1st 2012 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

          I hate to spoil your party but many AFL fans like other codes. I happen to follow The Storm and am a big fan of Craig Bellamy and Billy Slater. We don’t get to as many NRL games as AFL games, but I notice many people wearing AFL supporters gear in the crowd whenever I go. We always usually get to the Origin games when they’re played down here, when we barrack for NSW because they’re the underdogs. I also follow Liverpool in the EPL and am a big fan of Steven Gerrard and and Luis Suarez, as well as the fantastic Kenny Dalgleish. I grant you I can’t get interested in Australian soccer although I would pay good money to see them make Clive Palmer run from one end of the ground to the other.

          Actually I think you’ll find AFL fans, particularly in Melbourne, are very interested in all forms of sport. It’s just that many of us prefer the Australian game, not just because it’s Australian, but because it’s the best. Anyway, no need for you to die. We also support your grandkids being able to watch international sport.

          • May 1st 2012 @ 8:04pm
            JohnM said | May 1st 2012 @ 8:04pm | ! Report

            NSW… underdogs!!? Never. Period.

            • May 1st 2012 @ 10:03pm
              maximus said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:03pm | ! Report

              Check the last 6 results

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 8:48pm
          Cameron said | May 2nd 2012 @ 8:48pm | ! Report

          Gotta love you oikee not over the top or anything, how exactly do you plan to be a literal martyr for the NRL anyway?

      • May 1st 2012 @ 10:09pm
        ManInBlack said | May 1st 2012 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

        when Manly wear what they did last weekend nothing can make even an NRL match good to watch.

        re Stadia – don’t you dear complain about a lack of Rugby/Soccer stadia in Melbourne when of the 3 major stadia we have :
        AAMI Park – approx $267 million, 100% State Govt funded.
        Etihad – approx $454 million, 0% State Govt funded. $30 mill AFL funds, private investment for returns make it expensive. AFL will end up owning it but at a cost over the 25 year lease.
        MCG – approx $576 million, $77 mill state Govt funded. The rest MCC debt and AFL revenues/annual fees. The joke of the town being that the MCC (cricket club) controls what is now a football stadium and retain priority exclusive access to the best seats in the house, even for AFL GF (mainly due to State Govt intervention that stopped the then VFL completing VFL Park and transferring the GF to it’s own venue).

        So, forgive me for not shedding a tear for the square sided codes.

        You want it – you build it. There’s no justification. There was no interest when Kennett tried to get Docklands privately built as a soccer stadium and there’s no justification now for anything more than AAMI Park plus the odd usage of Etihad.

        btw – the biggest CON job by pro-soccer folk during the WC bid was the whining about the lack of decent venues – – when we consider that FIFA WC FINALS (not just semis, but the FINALS) have been held at the Yokahama Stadium (massive running track around it), and the Berlin Olympic Stadium (another big running track around it) – so, I’m satisfied that a combination of AAMI Park and Docklands (Etihad) will do you just fine and if you really, really need to – there’s the MCG.

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 9:01am
          maximus said | May 2nd 2012 @ 9:01am | ! Report

          BTW Manly and whoever wearing fatigues last Anzac weekend was a direct copy of the American baseball teams who wore Army uniforms in Military towns a few weeks ago so not an original NRL idea as some proclaimed…

        • May 2nd 2012 @ 9:01am
          maximus said | May 2nd 2012 @ 9:01am | ! Report

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