Frank Mir out to cement his place amongst the greats at UFC 146

By E. Spencer Kyte / Roar Guru

Frank Mir doesn’t get the respect and recognition he deserves. The talented heavyweight has amassed the most wins of any heavyweight in UFC history (14), and is one of only three men to hold the heavyweight title on multiple occasions.

While fighters like Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, and BJ Penn are unanimously regarded as some of the best to ever compete in the Octagon, Mir isn’t afforded the same status, though his accomplishments are on par – if not greater – than those of his fellow former multi-time UFC champions.

Sunday, Mir looks to etch his name in the UFC history books once again, stepping into the cage intent on ending champion Junior dos Santos’ eight-fight winning streak in the UFC, and becoming the first man to ever hold the heavyweight title three separate times.

While some athletes can recite their career numbers without pause, the articulate American heavyweight says he wasn’t fully aware of everything he’s accomplished until the preamble to Sunday’s showdown with dos Santos at UFC 146.

“I’ve basically learned more from doing interviews than I have from sitting back and looking at my own career,” Mir said with a laugh, speaking with The Roar earlier this month. “I hadn’t realised how many fights I had had or how long I have fought. I knew when I started fighting, but with some of the other stats that have been said now, to be honest with you, I had never sat back and looked at it.

“It’s one fight at a time, and maybe because I’ve always approached it that way, that’s why some of the accolades have always snuck up on me. I still feel like yesterday I was first getting into the UFC, the first couple fights. When I think about them, they’re easy to recall real quick – I remember training, who I trained with. In all reality, it just makes you feel like time flies.”

Mir has spent more than a decade competing in the UFC heavyweight division, amassing a 14-5 record along the way. Thus far, the story of his career is divided into two chapters, with the motorcycle accident that nearly ended his career in September 2004 serving as the break between his first and second run as one of the top heavyweights in the entire sport.

Saturday night is a chance to begin a third chapter with a third championship belt, with a win serving as a belated birthday present for the former champion, who turned 33 on Thursday.

“It would be a huge accomplishment, and definitely set the summer off right. I don’t have to get back into the gym for a couple months, so it would be kind of nice to have the belt strapped to my waist leading into a summer with my family and my children.

“I always want to go out there and be the best I can be,” added Mir, shifting from thoughts of summer fun to what a third title would mean for his legacy, and his place in the pantheon of all-time greats. “Going out there and winning the heavyweight title helps me feel comfortable with that, and is a step forward towards that goal. All athletes, when we set records or earmarks in our career, we want to set them far enough ahead that as the future comes along, our name is remembered. This would be one step closer towards doing so.”

Despite all that he’s accomplished thus far in his career, Mir’s place in the annuls of MMA history remains a debated topic. It’s a reality the articulate, intellectual heavyweight has made peace with.

“I’ve kind of come to terms with feeling like sometimes I don’t get the recognition that I think others would have in my same position. There are a lot of fans out there that I’m very humbled by how they speak of me, and there are other fans out there too that think very slightly about my abilities. I always wondered about that.

“My wife always makes a joke,” Mir continued, sharing the way his wife, Jennifer, sums up each of his fights. “(She says), `Every fight you’re the underdog, and the guy you fight is unbeatable. And then when you beat him, there is always an excuse as to why he never had a chance to begin with, and that guy sucks. It’s never that you were very good.’ I never understood that (disconnect).”

Heading into Sunday’s headline pairing, the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt already has a good idea what people will say if he adds dos Santos to the list of opponents he’s submitted inside the Octagon.

“I go out there, me and dos Santos are fighting. We’re in the clinch, or maybe I pull guard. We go to the ground, he scrambles to get up, I catch a foot when he gets up, and I put him in a heel hook. He taps out instead of losing a knee, we get up, and everyone says, `We he beat him with jiu-jitsu; he didn’t beat him with boxing. Junior wasn’t any good at it to begin with.’”

Mir belts out a deep baritone laugh before explaining it’s a patterns he’s seen repeated all too often throughout his career: a dominant victory rationalised away, pre-fight predictions changed or altered once he’s added another name to his still-growing list of victims.

Exceptionally well-spoken, and unafraid to share his thoughts on most any subject, the proud father of three has come to understand that for some fans, the way they judge the skills and abilities of certain fighters is tied directly to their personally feelings for those athletes. What they’ve accomplished in the cage – or not accomplished for that matter – is often times secondary when it comes to building their assessments.

“I realise that there are a lot of fans out there who confuse their own personal (feelings) about a guy, and his ability to fight. They’re two different things. You can like or dislike somebody, and still think they’re a great fighter or not such a great fighter. But it seems like when someone likes somebody on a personal level, they have a higher regard for their fighting ability, even if that person’s record doesn’t merit that type of praise, and vice versa.

“If somebody, for whatever reason, doesn’t like (a fighter’s) personality, they seem to have a very low regard for his fighting ability, regardless of how accomplished they may be inside the Octagon. And so, that’s why I think of it as in one ear, out the other when I hear those criticisms.

“I’ve heard people say, `He’s not even very good at jiu-jitsu,’ and I’m like, `Wow! If I’m not any good – and I’m not saying I’m the best, but I’m decently proficient at it – who is good? What standards are we judging people by?’”

Even when it comes to his greatest strength, Mir still gets sold short.

While his name may get lost in the shuffle when the conversation turns to the best fighters to every make their way into the Octagon, it will be harder to leave him out of the discussion should he win the heavyweight title for a third time on Sunday.

Maybe then, after 11-plus years, more wins than anyone else in the history of the division, and a trio of title reigns, Frank Mir will finally start getting the respect he deserves.

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The Crowd Says:

2012-05-27T12:21:54+00:00

ErinT

Roar Guru


I somewhat feel that Mir is constantly the bridesmaid in the division. That said I think this time next year the division will look different again and Mir may get another chance at the title.

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2012-05-26T19:42:41+00:00

E. Spencer Kyte

Roar Guru


Thanks BDR! Junior's ground game is a big question mark right now: we've never really seen, and he's never really been tested on the mat in his UFC career. While I too tend to think that a brown belt under Minotauro Nogueira should be capable of defending if put in such a position, Mir is an elite jiu-jitsu player, especially when it comes to BJJ for MMA. He attacks well, doesn't need much of an opening, and is tenacious when he makes his move, so JDS will certainly have to be careful if put into a defensive position. I don't think it will get there, but I've been wrong before.

2012-05-26T05:01:07+00:00

BDR

Roar Rookie


Great article dos Santos has a black belt in jiu-jitsu under the Nogueira brothers, I think he can handle himself on the mat. He might not be able to submit Frank but I think he will be able to defend if he has to.

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2012-05-26T00:11:50+00:00

E. Spencer Kyte

Roar Guru


Thanks Sam. I think you're right that people tend to look more at the spots where Mir has come up short instead of looking at his many successes. He suffers from Tim Sylvia's legacy/history being "re-written" following his decline post-UFC — people forget how dominant Timmy was at the time Mir snapped his arm — and then look at the losses to Brock and Carwin, and write him off a little. Honestly, I've done it for a long time myself, but came to realize how impressive his career has really been researching this interview. The fact that he came back following his motorcycle accident — after two doctors told him he'd never fight again — is impressive enough; the fact that the went on to win a title, and remains a Top 5 HW to this day is a testament to how talented and hard-working he is. Hopefully we can get more of these kind of pieces put together for this site in the future.

2012-05-25T23:48:05+00:00

Sam Brown

Roar Guru


I agree completely that Mir is underappreciated and when I think about it, I wouldn't have grouped him with Hughes, Penn, etc. I think it comes down to two periods of his career. The first is after his motorbike accident, when he was out of shape coming in and lost a few matches to guys no one even remembers. Honestly, we should give him a pass on this, if not applaud him for coming through it but for some reason I just don't. The second is UFC100 when him and Lesnar got into the pre-fight talk a bit much. Mir gave Lesnar absolutely no respect and it backfired when he was beaten badly by the guy he had been calling nothing. Mir was so badly shown up by Lesnar that night, I think itmay have left a permanat stain on his career. That said, I think you are right when you say he deserves to be right up there with the best in the sport, he has been especially good for the UFC and stuck with them when Heavyweight wasn't the UFC's strongest point. If he wins this weekend then I think it will be a great moment in the sports history. Not quite up there with Coulture taking down Sylvia but right up there close. Great interview Spencer.

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2012-05-25T14:59:42+00:00

E. Spencer Kyte

Roar Guru


Glad you liked it Damien. Mir is a tremendously analytical fighter, and does a great job breaking down his fights and other fights. His segment on the UFC 146 Countdown show is awesome; the way he explains the kimura against "Big Nog" was excellent. In talking to him for this piece, I got a new understanding of his approach, and his attitude. I've met Frank a few times, interviewed him a few times, but this was the first time we just sat down and chatted for a while, and it was great. He really is an incredible well-spoken, intelligent guy. That said, I don't like his chances with Junior dos Santos; it's just a bad match-up.

2012-05-25T13:09:56+00:00

Damien

Roar Guru


Thanks Spencer, I'm going for Mir on Sunday. If I analyse why its because I like Mir on a personal level. His colour commentary I reckon is the best in the business, even though he doesn't do much anymore. I find him to be a very honest & clear communicator. When asked about what was the difference between his fight against Big Nog and the ones against Carwin and Brock he sort of insinuated that he threw the towel in when he got in trouble with Carwin and Brock which is unheard from top level fighters. For the Big Nog fight for reasons unkonown to himself when he was in trouble he just grinded through it and turned the tables. How many fighters would admit that they threw the towel in and when they pushed through the barrier to win say they don't how why it happened. If I was to put money on it I'd go JDS but like I said before, I'd prefer Mir to win..

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2012-05-25T04:16:43+00:00

E. Spencer Kyte

Roar Guru


Thanks Bill. I tend to agree with you about Mir being unable to match JDS physically, or having much of a chance in s striking match, but he's proven me wrong many times in the past. He has a very significant advantage on the ground - or so I think - but he must get it there first. Enjoy the fights!

2012-05-25T01:50:35+00:00

Bill Larkin

Guest


Good report, and I'll certainly be watching. Personally I don't think Mir can match dos Santos physically, and if it is mainly a striking match Mir won't go the distance. Here I go writing him off..........

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