Aussie reaction to Wallabies loss is embarrassing

By El Gamba / Roar Guru

Like most Australian rugby supporters, I have always been reasonably outspoken among supporters of other nations’ teams. This can be in the work place or wherever else I find Kiwis, South Africans, Poms and our other rugby opponents.

I try to hold myself to an objective position in discussions, but do admit at times I descend into an insular and patriotic position.

Clearly, much has been said about the recent Scotland v Australia game and I must admit that I have struggled to keep up with the vitriol against the Wallabies.

In the wash up from that game, I must say that I am embarrassed to be an Australian, perhaps for the first time in my life. Not because of the result but because of the way that (most) of my fellow Aussies have reacted.

Restore the faith Robbie Deans“. David Lord’s most recent article sums up the feeling of most opinions that I have read. It astounds me that there is such a developed need for blame around this one game.

Putting this particular game into context, have any of the commentators or writers ever played the game? Did the old adage “train as you play, play as you train” ever get bandied around their playing groups? If it did, and if it was followed through with, then you will have a trophy or two on your mantle piece.

If not, then you may have the experience, and therefore the understanding, that rugby is the ultimate team game. To be successful every piece of the whole needs to know their job and deliver on the expectations of their peers.

If it was a game that you could get 22 blokes together after a couple of hours and expect to win, then it would not be the game I love.

Further, I find it incredibly embarrassing and self defeating that we then tear down the people that gave it the best shot they could in the circumstances presented.

Yes, we lost. It happens. We may lose to Wales.

Whatever. I’ll still be cheering for them.

The Crowd Says:

2012-06-12T12:19:45+00:00

Tui

Guest


"Joubert changed his interpretation in the last 5 minuted of the RWC final" um no. I have the DVD , blue ray in fact and have watched it about 8 times and it still brings a tear to the eye. Suggest you do the same. AB's rock solid defence and breakdown work when out on their feet was what won them the cup not Joubert though I understand its far easier to tell yourself that. 4 more years maaaaaaaaaate.

2012-06-09T13:27:05+00:00

El Gamba

Guest


Continually. You're a waste of breath.

2012-06-09T13:20:23+00:00

El Gamba

Guest


Good onya young fella. Can I infer from your comments that you're not a wallabies supporter? Must be a kiwi then right? Jees I'm sick of supporting you guys so that you can make a crust. Have you anything except rugby? Yep, the dole queue in Australia. Just kidding, send through your email and I'll get a job cleaning toilets or something - for your family.

2012-06-09T13:10:10+00:00

stillmatic1

Guest


must be hard living in the land of the fairies, el!? your point is nonsense, and has been shown to be nonsense because you fail to take into account why there has been so much vitriol after the loss. not many who have expressed this vitriol have said they will abandon the wallaby cause, simply ask the questions that have not been answered for 5 years now under deans. the fact that so many like yourself have blamed scheduling hasnt helped your position either. how did you go against wales again? had only 4 days this time to get ready with 9 new players and it turned out alright due to the men in gold showing the required intent and will to play. they didnt exhibit this against the scots, and have lost too many times in the same manner. i would think criticism just like praise is what being a supporter is all about. fact is, these fans want answers, and you dont. you continually harp on about the scheduling and yet many minnow teams had to deal with the exact same thing in the WC, with little sympathy, in the biggest tournament of their careers. surely scheduling and many other factors are issues that a professional sportsman can handle!? whatever the intent of your original article, you still bang on about something that was not relevant in this particular match and the subsequent one against wales, which hey, you actually won!!

2012-06-09T04:44:03+00:00

Bear

Guest


Ive read all the posts above and the article blog and am bemused somewhat by some people's interpretation, the whole point of the article I believe is not to be content with losing to a lowly ranked team like Scotland, it is more directed at how we can actually perform better as a nation with realistic preparation and a better approach to scheduling of matches to not only get the best from both teams performing on the day and not be lured into games for the sake of revenue raising. Some points have been very valid in particular for me the scheduling of the WRC where the lesser nations did not have suitable recovery time compared to the major unions. This said the other point only briefly touched on was the fact that Scotland played the right game for the conditions, tackled their hearts out and had one chance to win the game in the whole of the second half and grabbed it with two hands, well done Scotland the Brave! To El Gamba I too feel your pain at supporting the Western Force and once again believe the 5 Australian teams is a cas grab by ARU and would be palatable if the "professional" teams were in fact allowed to be professional and attract other quality players from around the world to ensure that there is suitable player depth in all of the franchises. We all as lovers of rugby should be more concerned with quality rather than quantity!

2012-06-09T00:55:16+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


'Besides, as it’s an opinion site does that justify saying anything? Doesn’t it touch on real human beings such as Vuna?' Wow. Just wow.

2012-06-09T00:12:05+00:00

El Gamba

Guest


Perhaps a little out of line. Apologies.

2012-06-08T20:30:44+00:00

wallaby fan

Guest


You are asking for guaranteed wins and for selctions to be based on your opinion. Frankly no one gives a toss about who you think shoyld be picked. what do you know? Wake up to yourself. You and i and everyone on here knows a minsicule amount to someone like Deans and his coaching staff. As for the back up 7 that's just bandwagon jumping. Last year during the 6 and tri nations the traditional openside got penalised out of those tournaments and there was talk that their days were over. That is why not one of the major nations brought more than 1 traditional openside to the RWC. No one including the winners NZ, brought a back up no 7 and Ireland didn't even bring one! indeed they beat us with two blindisdes in that game. All of a sudden the referees let the no 7's get away with murder at the RWC. That's what has changed! besides Hooper is there because of the ridiculous scheduling and the risk that Pocock may need to be replaced. Hooper won't get another bench spot this year.

2012-06-08T15:14:56+00:00

murph73

Roar Rookie


gutless

2012-06-08T13:00:21+00:00

murph73

Roar Rookie


I'm not regurgitating Wayne Smith at all. He came to the same simple conclusions. If you seriously think that it's okay for Deans to hold onto his position when he makes such basic errors as not using his bench then you're kidding yourself.

2012-06-08T12:56:51+00:00

murph73

Roar Rookie


Childish

2012-06-08T12:16:15+00:00

Drop kick

Guest


When wests were "loosing" ??? Losing I think you mean. You haven't been watching super rugby or wallabies tests lately if you haven't seen blood and scratches. One of the commonly used shots of the wallabies after the Scotland match shows ACC with a blood soaked jersey and what looks like a wound to his ear.

2012-06-08T12:12:26+00:00

El Gamba

Guest


Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Come on man, work on your own arguments. Again, from very early this morning until now you've missed the point.

2012-06-08T12:08:20+00:00

Drop kick

Guest


I don't know what "loosing" team is. Do they they wear badly fitting jerseys? On the other hand being a Tahs and Wallabies supporter I know what a LOSING team is!

2012-06-08T12:06:48+00:00

murph73

Roar Rookie


Yes. They were set up to fail. Just like they were against Scotland in 2009, England twice in 2010, Samoa & Ireland in 2011 and 10 matches on the trot against the ABs... It was all a set up.

AUTHOR

2012-06-08T11:59:49+00:00

El Gamba

Roar Guru


Deans, in my opinion, has never been a good bench utiliser. Point 1 is a fair call. 2 and 3 are just regurgitating Wayne Smith (a well known anti Deaner)'s opinion. He hits the nail on the head if you enjoy mindless drivel and forsake the right to think for yourself. "they should have tried going wide at least once" - they did more than once, the conditions did not favour this. "There were no grubbers put in behind the Scottish defensive line, no backrow/backline moves using short passes" the classic 'damned if you do, damned of you don't'. Had they tried this you'd be sitting there criticising the Wallabies lack of possession respect. Not sure where you are coming from with your posts Mr Murph, but I am not sure you get where I am coming from. I certainly don't understand where you are coming from. My advice for you would be to forget about rugby if you are that negative about the Wallabies, however, I suppose you wouldn't write if you didn't care - and that is at least a positive.

2012-06-08T11:49:29+00:00

murph73

Roar Rookie


Here's a start... 1. Using more than 3 of the 7 players on the bench when players on the field were suffering from hypothermia 2. Not playing 80 mins of pick and drive tight around the ruck without any variation when a) the Wallaby backrowers, Higginbotham and Dennis, are better suited to playing slightly wider, and b) the Scots are experts at defending ruck area in the wet. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have kept it tight but they should have tried going wide at least once. Unsurprisingly, after the game the Scots said the Wallabies played the game exactly how they wanted them to. 3. There were no grubbers put in behind the Scottish defensive line, no backrow/backline moves using short passes etc I suggest you read Wayne Smith's analysis in The Australian. He hits the nail right on the head. They played the game their coach instructed them to and failed miserably.

2012-06-08T11:48:48+00:00

Red Kev

Guest


So Wales can make it a British and Irish Lions clean-sweep. Awesome. Oh yeah and last two games against Scotland too.

AUTHOR

2012-06-08T11:42:42+00:00

El Gamba

Roar Guru


This little thread is very interesting in terms of working out what you are trying to say. "the rotten core of Australian cricket" or a sh*t day at the office after losing the backbone of your world beating team in two seasons? Murph, have you married your girlfriend just to get citizenship as a whinging pom? If not I'd head straight out to wherever she is currently picking grapes and propose so you can join the "sack the coach" English bandwagon when required as well.

AUTHOR

2012-06-08T11:36:10+00:00

El Gamba

Roar Guru


Sorry rain man, good point.

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