Is Armstrong plotting to take down the USADA?

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    I can’t help but think that Lance Armstrong’s decision to give up the fight is all part of his master plan to take down the United Staes Anti Doping Agency (USADA).

    You can call it a conspiracy theory, but when I see a man who has battled his way through cancer and continued fighting to be the best in his sport without ever giving up… I have a hard time believing that he’s chosen to end the battle this time.

    Love him or hate him, Lance Armstrong is a true fighter. Along with that, he’s incredibly smart.  Whether it was the head games he played with his competitors during the Tour de France or the genius of what he has done through Livestrong, there’s no denying that this mate knows what he’s doing.  So with all of this in mind, I can’t help but think that he’s up to something.

    This investigation by the USADA has become much more of a personal attack against Armstrong that it is a policing of doping charges. Somewhere along the way, the cockiness of Lance Armstrong rubbed someone the wrong way in that organization and they have had a vendetta against him ever since. But I think Lance is equally motivated to get back at them as well. This is where the conspiracy comes in.

    We’ve all seen the massive number of headlines out there based on this statement:

    The U.S. Anti Doping Agency has banned Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and has stripped him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping.”

    But what isn’t getting as much publicity is the fact that the USADA can recommend this to happen, but does not have the authority to let it be so.  Armstrong said it himself in the statement he gave to, “USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles”.

    Although I feel there is ulterior motives to Lance Armstrong no longer challenging the USADA’s charges, I’m not exactly sure how he’s going to take them down. But I’ll bet his team of lawyers and advisors know exactly how he can do it.

    The explosion that rocked the cycling world yesterday is not the end of the story, and I feel that Lance plans on writing the last chapter himself.

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    • Roar Rookie

      August 25th 2012 @ 3:27am
      Stevie Dexter said | August 25th 2012 @ 3:27am | ! Report

      There is not a lot we disagree on Darryl… but the guy has played his final hand and came up wanting. He has always known that his loyal followers will be loyal to the end, regardless of what anyone else says so he may as well have just carried on carrying on. Has his image/memory/achievements been damaged to any greater degree in the eyes of the disbelievers with this final hurrah – probably not. And will his supporters think any less of him for continuing his fight until he was so exhausted that he had to throw in the towel or acknowledge any of the 2nd placers as actual winners – No.

      Very little has changed over the last 2 years (other than the ‘revelations’ of some US professionals earlier this year) and I believe any further pain or suffering that Mr Armstrong has suffered due to the continuing situation is down to him prolonging what even he knew was almost inevitable.

      It will be a sad blot on the sport, but not the first and I’m sure not the last.

      • Roar Pro

        August 25th 2012 @ 4:07am
        Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 4:07am | ! Report

        Hi Stevie. Yeah, I’m not going to argue strongly on this one but I do feel there is more behind what just happened yesterday. We’ll have to see how this plays out.

    • August 25th 2012 @ 3:32am
      Blake said | August 25th 2012 @ 3:32am | ! Report

      The USADA do have the power to strip the titles under the WADA code. It can be appealed though by the ASO I beileve.

      • Roar Pro

        August 25th 2012 @ 4:09am
        Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 4:09am | ! Report

        Hi Blake. I don’t know the exact authorities of what the USADA can and cannot do. I am just basing this post off what was published online.

    • August 25th 2012 @ 3:39am
      Joe said | August 25th 2012 @ 3:39am | ! Report

      Spot on Darryl. USADA overplayed their hand and now Lance can approach the courts to set aside the ruling. He never wanted to participate in the arbitration and wanted to fight them in court.

      • Roar Pro

        August 25th 2012 @ 4:08am
        Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 4:08am | ! Report

        Thanks Joe. Yeah, I’m sure there is a legal chessgame strategy in there somewhere but we’ll have to see where it goes from here.

      • August 25th 2012 @ 4:48am
        sittingbison said | August 25th 2012 @ 4:48am | ! Report

        Sorry, that’s complete and utter rubbish.

        USADA has full authority to both initiate proceedings, sanction him and strip him of titles. Any suggestion to the contrary is complete PR bull, which you have both fallen for. Do some real research before staring drivel.

        The funny thing is Lances own manager helped draft the USADA guidelines.

        • Roar Pro

          August 25th 2012 @ 5:39am
          Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 5:39am | ! Report

          Issues like this are sure to create a standoff between people on both sides. I don’t know the inside story so I’m providing my opinion but also open to other comments and opinion as well. Thanks for your input on this one.

          • August 25th 2012 @ 12:19pm
            sittingbison said | August 25th 2012 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

            Thanks for writing the article. It creates thought and discussion. The problem is encouraging fanboys or even Lance PR interns to come to the roar and hijack cycling threads. The only way to prevent this is debunk at every opportunity.
            The answer to your question is very simple. Read the letter from Lances paid liar Herman to USADA attorney Bill Block. It clearly and unambiguously shows what hand Lance is playing.
            The Lance public letter, and “withdrawal” is complete PR bull and subterfuge. He knew full well that not choosing arbitration leads to automatic guilt of all instances in the charge letter.
            Given his own submission to the Federal Court was just unceremoniously fling out, with Judge Sparks clearly demonstrating USADA has full authority to proceed, Lance has no further room to manouvre.
            It is even unlikely he can now go to CAS as he chose to not arbitrate, and there are no procedural grounds.
            He cannot go for defamation, as the evidence will come to light and he will face perjury charges.
            There is no gambit, he will do absolutely nothing and hope to maintain his support.

            • August 25th 2012 @ 2:19pm
              nick said | August 25th 2012 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

              Only UCI can strip him of titles. USADA recommends but only UCI can actually act.

              • August 26th 2012 @ 12:05pm
                sittingbison said | August 26th 2012 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

                Wrong. USADA strips him of results, and bans him. They REPORT their rests to WADA and UCI who can appeal to CAS. They won’t .

        • August 25th 2012 @ 7:58am
          rcr said | August 25th 2012 @ 7:58am | ! Report

          Where does the UCI fit in then?

        • August 25th 2012 @ 5:18pm
          William Goat said | August 25th 2012 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

          The USADA certainly does have the ability & right to initiate proceedings, sanction & take punitive action. Arbitration is the crucial word here though, which requires that both or all parties must agree to abide by/accept the award/decision of the independent third party. This is why the USADA has had to invite Armstrong to arbitration rather than simply prosecute him or hand down a verdict.
          Armstrong has the right to reject the offer ( despite what may be considered a tacit agreement to abide by it’s decision by being a registered competitor in a competition admiinistered by an organisation which is a funding member of the USADA such as the ASO, organiser of the TDF for example or the Olympics as a member of the US Olympic Team via US Olympic Committee when he competed in the Olympics) & yet his rejection has been taken by the USADA to be an admission of guilt by absence. He refuses to take part & thus is guilty as charged.
          If there was a tacit agreement to abide by it’s ruling established by his participation in said events then the USADA would have been under no obligation to even offer arbitration. The fact that it did suggests that tacit agreement is not sufficient to establish its’ jurisdiction without Armstrongs’ agreement.
          This lack of agreement is not a barrier to the right of the USADA to adjudicate on the matter given it actually has evidence that holds up to proper scrutiny etc.
          What is a barrier to it’s right is the fact that despite being a “non-profit, non- governmental agency” it actually receives funding from both government agencies such as the US Olympic Committee & the Office of National Drug Control & Federal grants which, aligned with it’s endorsement/mandate from US Congressmakes it a very government dependant ‘non-governmental’ agency.
          This alone wouldn’t be such a problem, but the fact that the USADA prosecution of Armstrong involves a the potential mis-use of Federal monies & or commission of fraud against the US Government is where it gets murky.
          If Armstrong ( & others, including his team management& administrators) are guilty of doping, then as part of the US Postal Service sponsored team there is the chance that they are also involved in the aforementioned crimes.
          Essentially, if the USADA can prove the doping allegations & take punitive action against Armstrong et al, then by rights the US Attorneys Office will be able to use that to prove the commission of fraud & mis-use of Federal monies, which is a much more serious crime than doping.
          The US Attorney has already dropped its’ investigation into the alleged crimes, because their case mainly rested on being able to prove the doping first. This doesn’t mean the USADA has no case, it may well do, but what it does mean is that either the US Attorney has already reviewed the evidence & found no way to use it successfully or it is new evidence & thus should be forwarded to them by the USADA for use in their own prosecution.
          Catch-22, the USADA can prove doping & thus the case goes way over their mandate to a Federal case, or they can’t & the matter ends. As I put forward in my other posts here, the matter either goes back to a Federal prosecution or it ends in exoneration. The USADA cannot have it both ways.

          • September 1st 2012 @ 11:23pm
            DerailleurED said | September 1st 2012 @ 11:23pm | ! Report

            It’s a pity there are so few articles centered around facts like this, it really does need to see more light

    • August 25th 2012 @ 4:54am
      Ross said | August 25th 2012 @ 4:54am | ! Report

      Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. Maybe he just doesn’t want the evidence to be on display at a hearing. It’s a lot easier to continue to claim a vendetta than for the public to hear his teammates admit they doped and watched Lance do it too. Then where does he go?

      • Roar Pro

        August 25th 2012 @ 10:05am
        Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        That could be it as well. Right now Lance and his past teams are about the only ones who knows the real truth.

    • Roar Guru

      August 25th 2012 @ 7:16am
      Rabbitz said | August 25th 2012 @ 7:16am | ! Report


      All part of a grand master plan?

      I hope you lot have a plentiful supply of tin foil, for hat making.

      • Roar Pro

        August 25th 2012 @ 7:43am
        Darryl Kotyk said | August 25th 2012 @ 7:43am | ! Report

        Hahaha, nice one. Yeah, it might be out there but just in case it really happens at least I have proof that I thought about it prior to the fact.

        • August 28th 2012 @ 7:09pm
          sittingbison said | August 28th 2012 @ 7:09pm | ! Report

          In all honesty Darryl, I and I am sure many other people have a fear in the back of their minds that Lance will wriggle out as he has so often done in the past.

          If he does I will be the first to congratulate you lol

    • August 25th 2012 @ 7:40am
      nickoldschool said | August 25th 2012 @ 7:40am | ! Report

      Kudos to USADA who had the balls and courage to bring down an American icon.

      Regarding the article itself, I initially thought it was a wind up but apparently not: some still believe its part of a ‘master plan’ to bring USADA down and prove LA was clean from 1996 to 2005, that dozen of ppl lied to incriminate him,that he never took EPO, testosterone, HGH etc, that he never had blood transfusion etc.

      USADA said they have samples from 2009 and 2010 showing blood manipulation. game over.

      • August 25th 2012 @ 8:00am
        rcr said | August 25th 2012 @ 8:00am | ! Report

        Game over? I once said I had magical powers. That doesn’t mean that I did. Where’s the proof?

        • August 28th 2012 @ 7:12pm
          sittingbison said | August 28th 2012 @ 7:12pm | ! Report

          WADA code specifically introduced the concept of “non-analytical” rule violations, meaning that a sanction can be applied in cases where there is evidence that an anti-doping rule violation occurred but where there is no positive doping control test. Seeing as there are more than 10 team mates and several others involved who are testifying…

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