What now for A-League’s struggling heavyweights?

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    Italy's Alessandro Del Piero (C) of Sydney FC kicks on goal against the Newcastle Jets FC during their A-League football match in Sydney on October 13, 2012. Newcastle beat Sydney 3-2. (AFP Photo / Greg Wood)

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    The pubs and clubs on Caxton Street were packed with orange-clad fans all turned attentively towards television screens broadcasting a Sydney FC game.

    Everyone wanted to see Alessandro Del Piero in action.

    But after the Jets had spoiled Sydney’s party and Emile Heskey reminded Sky Blues fans that Del Piero wasn’t the only marquee in town, the focus in Brisbane soon turned towards Ange Postecoglou’s return to Suncorp Stadium as Melbourne Victory coach.

    What a return it was.

    After an acrimonious build-up which saw Postecoglou label as “disrespectful” comments made about his tenure at the Roar, all eyes were on the battle between the master coach and his apprentice.

    It’s safe to say Rado Vidosic won that battle hands down.

    It took the Roar all of five minutes to assert their authority when Erik Paartalu drilled home into the bottom corner, only for his effort to be correctly ruled out by an offside flag against Besart Berisha.

    If it was a warning, Victory failed to heed it. It’s never a good idea to leave Thomas Broich unmarked in the box and the German maestro proved as much by hooking home the opener after 20 minutes.

    Paartalu nodded home barely 90 seconds later and some gaping cracks in the Postecoglou facade began to appear.

    Goalkeeper Lawrence Thomas was all at sea as he flapped at routine corner, but whether it was the right decision to let Ante Covic move on to Western Sydney Wanderers isΒ  a moot point.

    The question now is whether Thomas is a genuinely better option in goal than the more experienced Tando Velaphi.

    Likewise there will be questions asked about how the Victory defence could be caught square by a route one punt forward from Roar goalkeeper Michael Theo.

    Mitch Nichols might have timed his run to perfection but what will have alarmed is the fact not one defender tracked Berisha as the Victory defence made a complete meal of playing the offside trap.

    To then concede two more goals, to say nothing of the chances either ruled out or missed by Berisha and Ben Halloran respectively, suggests Postecoglou has plenty of work to do to mould a coherent defence.

    It will undoubtedly take time for Postecoglou to make his mark on Victory.

    His first two games in charge of Brisbane yielded a 2-1 defeat to Sydney FC and a 1-1 home draw with the Newcastle Jets.

    But expectations are considerably higher in Melbourne than they were when Postecoglou took over at the Roar and should Victory lose to Adelaide United next Friday, the gaze of a sports-mad Melbourne media may shift uncomfortably towards the man in charge.

    He will expect to meet the challenge but questions will be asked whether the likes of Danny Allsopp, Guilherme Finkler and Jonathan Bru are the right type of players to make the difference.

    Time will tell, but Victory fans will hope it does so sooner rather than later.

    Sydney FC coach Ian Crook could soon find himself in much the same position having now overseen two defeats from two games played.

    Suddenly next week’s derby has assumed greater significance than perhaps many first thought and one player for whom it could be particularly significant is Terry McFlynn.

    The long-serving Sky Blues skipper was substituted after 57 minutes against the Jets and all eyes will be on whether he takes his place in midfield against the Wanderers.

    Should Paul Reid take his place it could mark the beginning of the end of an era in Sydney, with one of the hardest working – and most maligned – players in the A-League forced to step aside at the club he currently captains.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist from December 2008.

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    • October 15th 2012 @ 8:02am
      George said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:02am | ! Report

      Sydney’s centrebacks are simply not good enough and we desperately need Culina to be fit and be the player he once was to help push the ball forward as unfortunately as much as i admire McFlynn he just doesnt cut it as the chief number 6.

      Also with Del Piero and Lovrek being similar players it makes me wonder if the club are kicking themself as we now dont have a out and out number 9 like Bruno last season.

      • October 15th 2012 @ 8:25am
        AGO74 said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:25am | ! Report

        Anyone know when Bosschart is back? Even when he is back there are still big concerns about our defence.

        Re your number 9 comment, this is fair but the shape and players had in that last half hour was pretty good. Their is enough there to make us think we should start scoring goals though I am concerned about how we will fare against WSW’s counter attacking style.

        Never nice to lose but gee what a night Saturday was. Cracking atmosphere and an entertaining match (with some calamitous defending). Newcastle have a good one in Craig Goodwin. Also, Emile heskey is a massive man! He played well and will get better. ADP – genius.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 9:18am
          George said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:18am | ! Report

          He keeps tweeting that he is fighting fit and should be available soon, but the problem with that is once fit, he still wont be match fit.. so id be more thinking by mid to late November we will see the best of him once more.
          Him partnering Griff should be competent and add some much needed confidence out there.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 9:21am
          Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:21am | ! Report


          He Bosschart is another foreign player were at the end of the day you ask yourself is he better than giving an australian kid a go ? . No he isnt, he’s not much chop “talks a tough game”. I dont mean to sound xenophobic or be seen to fear foreign players I luv Broich and Bersh but really what are Mc Flynn and Bosschart doing in the line up their both not that good and dont warrant there positions as far as i’m concerned, give the youth of australia a go if the foreign player is not really that good get rid of him and bring in youth and thats what sydney fc need and thats what ADP needs youth.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 9:28am
            George said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:28am | ! Report

            Bondy, we have had a young Aussie defender with potential in Ryall in our team for a few seasons now and he hasnt stepped up to the plate.
            It’s all good to want to give Aussies a go and id love nothing more than to see the next Cahill, Emmo, Kewell, Viduka etc etc but we are also a sporting team that wants to win games.

            • October 15th 2012 @ 9:31am
              AGO74 said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:31am | ! Report

              Seb has been very frustrating since joining but I thought he showed some decent signs on saturday night (thrown in with a couple of bad choices as well).

            • October 15th 2012 @ 9:35am
              Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:35am | ! Report


              And thats my point your not winning games and your not going to,thats my point if you dont or cant win with foreign content get out and let the kids have a go .I’m very staunch on this issue.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 9:30am
            AGO74 said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:30am | ! Report

            Bondy – don’t disagree with your sentiment but based on what I saw last year, Pascal is better than either of Griffiths or McLenahan. If there is a youth player worthy, by all means throw him in but only if he is better than either of the current guys (prob not difficult at the moment!).

          • October 15th 2012 @ 9:45am
            Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:45am | ! Report

            Bosschart is easily our best CB (though that’s not saying much right now) so I’ll have to disagree with you in this case, though I am generally a fan of blooding young players if possible.

            Mcflynn is actually an Australian citizen now so at least he isn’t taking up a Visa spot, though you’re right, he’s clearly not good enough for the first XI. Paul Reid looked good when he came on, Antonis should be back next week and Culina is hopefully not too far away either. Mcflynn would, on ability, struggle to make our bench if we had a fully fit squad.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 10:21am
            Titus said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:21am | ! Report

            Disagree regarding Bosschaart Bondy., his touch, passing and vision are extremely good as you would expect from someone who has spent over 10 years in the Dutch top flight. His return will be welcome and if we can get a passing game going with Boss, Culina, Antonis, Piero, Abbas, Reid, Emmo all linking up it should be good.

            Defence at this stage is a massive problem though.

            In regards to Lovrek and the #9, I think Lovrek has a decent touch and finish he may still come good and if he doesn’t Mallia, Powell and Chianese should be able to play that role.

            The problem now for Crook is does he have enough backbone to drop McFlynn and Lovrek if he has to?

            • October 15th 2012 @ 10:28am
              Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:28am | ! Report

              Looks like Gary’s Jets look the goods lot of youth on that team and a short precise passing game things are on the up for them.The Jets passing game allowed them to control the match and goalscoring opportunities twice as many shots at goal as well 15 to 7.

              There’s still alot of kicking of the ball out of play under no great pressure in the HAL as well.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 9:35am
          Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:35am | ! Report

          Apparently he got a few minutes in a friendly for our youth team last week but given the nature of his injury I think it will be a while before he is match fit

    • October 15th 2012 @ 8:47am
      Roger said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:47am | ! Report

      I’m a bit sketchy on the A-League rules for transfer windows etc. Is there one? If so, when? I think Ange needs the opportunity to choose some players, rather than inheriting players.

    • Roar Guru

      October 15th 2012 @ 8:57am
      langou said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:57am | ! Report

      -I thought Sydney looked quite good in the last 30 minutes.
      -The teams looking the best at the moment are those who have had stability over the last couple of years
      – Agree with AG074 on Goodwin

      • October 15th 2012 @ 9:21am
        C'monJETS said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:21am | ! Report

        Sydney had the Jets under a lot of pressure in the second half, the third goal by Goodwin was a classic, fantastic stuff from a tallented young player, but on replay you can see that Adam G, hut his hamstring at the owrst possible moment and let Goodwin stroll to goal in opposed, after a slick through ball from the other griffiths. Admittedly, AG touch was heavy giving the ball away, but his injury opened the gates. Loved the crowd, loved the pre game mass of humanity, and YES, I stood and applauded ADPs goal, couldnt help myself.

    • October 15th 2012 @ 9:14am
      Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:14am | ! Report

      One thing that struck me with this game was the introduction of youth team player Powell also with Del Pierro the only goalscorers for sydney fc on the day ,australian youth is the way forward not buying busted rejects like Fabio.

      Intersting B Emerton was born in Blacktown represented the nation and is captained by an Irishman who really is not up to this standard an unusual situation one would think.

      Yes I agree with the rest of the comments its great to see the kids running around.

    • October 15th 2012 @ 9:17am
      striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:17am | ! Report

      Fabio,Adam Griffith and Terry Mcflynn all have to go they are holding back Sydney FC from winning games.

      • October 15th 2012 @ 9:23am
        George said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:23am | ! Report

        I thought Fabio is playing well. Its hard to judge him when his central partners arent performing and he has to second guess what is going on. Griff needs a dominant player next to him like the Boss then i think we would see the best of him.
        Terry is our capitano and long may he stay at Sydney FC but as good and loyal as he has been to our club, its probably time he became the club captain and the armband given to another player.
        These days he would be much suited to a squad player as apposed to an automatic starter.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 9:36am
          AGO74 said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          Yep, Tezza is a squad player now. It was slightly different under VL’s style where he fitted in, but clearly Tezza’s “qualities” don’t match into what IC is trying to implement. Looking forward to Jason Culina joining the team. He has vision and technique to enable more ADP magic. Let’s hope his body is up to it.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 9:46am
            striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:46am | ! Report

            Does anyone know what the TV ratings were for Sydney game against Newcastle all the media outlets where mentioning the game afterwards would have been great to show this on free to air.

            • October 15th 2012 @ 9:51am
              Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:51am | ! Report

              156k which is very good for the A-League. 101k stayed around to watch Brisbane play the Victory as well.

              • October 15th 2012 @ 9:55am
                striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:55am | ! Report

                Yes this is good up and up for the league, with a sellout on Saturday for the Sydney Derby likey the game is on all time high.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 9:48am
          Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:48am | ! Report

          Agree George. I thought Fabio was quite good on Saturday and was one of the very few players who looked even half-decent against the Phoenix the week before. It’s the middle of defence that’s the issue.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 10:25am
            Titus said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:25am | ! Report

            I only saw the last half hour of the game so my impressions of Fabio were quite good, he definitely adds a lot going forward.

      • October 15th 2012 @ 9:23am
        Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:23am | ! Report

        I would have sacked Fabio after that game, the victory threw hi’m out last year somebody teach him to play.It was an orgy of football on Fox yesterday cant get enough of it topped off by the reds.

    • Roar Guru

      October 15th 2012 @ 9:49am
      Fussball ist unser leben said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:49am | ! Report

      Before the season commenced, I was worried about the ability of MVFC’s defence. And, based on the result from Saturday night & the performance against Melbourne Heart, my fears appear to be well-founded.

      Last year, playing a much less risky game, MVFC only managed 5 clean sheets.

      I honestly cannot see us keeping a clean sheet this season and, most likely, we’ll concede at least 2 goals per game.

      If this occurs, and MVFC concede 2 goals every game, it means, unless MVFC can score 3 or more every game, we’re not going to win. It’s a harsh reality that pains me greatly – as a normally optimistic MVFC fan.

      Last year MVFC won 6 games. Unless our defence keeps a clean sheet, I’m struggling to identify which 6 matches can be won this season.

      • October 15th 2012 @ 9:58am
        Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:58am | ! Report

        Fussball and others just wanting to clarify something does the A League clearly beat afl in sydney and also with the nrl in melbourne in tv veiwerships and could this be disputed.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 10:18am
          Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:18am | ! Report

          Bondy – From a Sydney perspective it’s very hard to say for certain as Foxtel ratings are given as a total national figure rather than in a city by city breakdown. Also the fact that Swans/GWS games are on both FTA and Foxtel while SFC and WSW are exclusively on Foxtel makes it difficult to compare directly. I’d say that AFL (at least when comparing the games involving sydney based teams) would be ahead on TV ratings but as I say it’s hard to compare. As with the Sydney sport market in general the figures for both competitions would fluctuate wildly depending on how succesful the team is at the time.

          A better comaprison would probably be the between the A-League and Super Rugby as they’re both exclusive to Foxtel but I don’t know the Super Rugby figures and again, we only have the national figures instead of city by city.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 10:35am
            striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:35am | ! Report

            Matt F how many pubs televise the A-league not many if any at all, i have yet to see one that shows any games where as NRL games are always shown and this would affect the ratings as well.

            • October 15th 2012 @ 10:57am
              Matt F said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:57am | ! Report

              From what I’ve heard pubs don’t count in TV figures (the ratings are for residential subsrcibers) so they wouldn’t affect the total numbers.

        • Roar Guru

          October 15th 2012 @ 10:46am
          Fussball ist unser leben said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:46am | ! Report

          @ Bondy

          Based on the information we have available & applying assumptions based on the information we have available, a reasonable person, would conclude that – based on these early strong Foxtel Ratings:

          1. HAL rates higher than NRL in MEL, ADE & PER
          2. HAL rates higher than AFL in SYD & BRI

          Whilst it’s true that Foxtel ratings are not broken down by city, FTA Tv ratings are broken down this way.

          This year, when we examine the matches from AFL & NRL, which were broadcast LIVE in all 5 cities we find that the breakdown of the FTA TV ratings are:

          NRL: SYD: 60%, MEL: 1%, BRI: 37%, ADE: <1% PER: <1%
          AFL: SYD: 5%, MEL: 57%, BRI: 5%; ADE 16%, PER: 17%

          The only FTA tv data we have for Football is based on 64 matches broadcast on SBS TV during the 2010 FIFA WC. Whilst this is not HAL, the unfriendly viewing hours of the broadcast and many matches involving "unfashionable teams" suggests the viewing market for the 64 matches at 2010 FIFA WC is a committed football market; as opposed to "theatre-watching".

          Football market: SYD: 35% MEL:29% BRI: 14% ADE: 8% PE: 14%

          In the absence of direct data about Foxtel viewing habits for HAL, AFL & NRL in the capital cities, a reasonable person could make a reasonable assumption that Foxtel's viewing would be similar to FTA Tv.

          Applying this assumption to data we have for Foxtel ratings for 2012 HAL, NRL & AFL we reach the conclusions I opened with regarding HAL – i.e. HAL will rate higher than NRL outside Sydney & Brisbane; and it will rate than AFL in Sydney & Brisbane.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 11:20am
            Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:20am | ! Report

            Thanks Fuss, Interesting how they dont break down the foxtel veiwerships per state “nothing important on there anyway” appears to be the mentallity.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 12:10pm
            Midfielder said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:10pm | ! Report


            Without trying to tell you something you already know and understand…

            If Football becomes a number two in each market and can build its market share in each market it will become Australia’s number one.. One of the reasons behind the AFL expansion…

            • October 15th 2012 @ 12:23pm
              striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

              Midfielder we just want to be a major code we dont need to be number one or two, we deserve to get
              the recognition the game deserves from the media and not the one paragraph the newspapers and tv might report on.

            • Roar Guru

              October 15th 2012 @ 12:34pm
              Fussball ist unser leben said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

              Middy, you are spot on.

              The upside potential for HAL is simply MASSIVE.

              Whenever a brand is launched into a new market, the most important question to be asked: “is there an existing demand for that sort of product?”

              In Australia, we know that the sport of football has interest right across Australia. By contrast, the sport of Rugby League & Aussie Rules has insignificant interest in Melb/Ade/Per and Syd/Bris respectively.

              So, the job for HAL administrators is to simply convince football fans to “buy” our brand of football.

              By contrast the job for AFL & NRL administrators is twofold.

              1. They have to convince people to buy their product -i..e. the underlying sports of Aussie Rules & Rugby league = requires cultural change & will take generations, if it happens at all;
              2. Then they have to convince people to buy the AFL brand of Aussie Rules & the NRL brand of Rugby League = much easier since there are very few other “brand options” in Aussie Rules & Rugby League.

              So, for HAL it’s simply a matter of selling our “brand” to people, who already love the underlying “product” (Football.

              For AFL & NRL it’s a matter of enticing people, who don’t like Aussie Rules or Rugby League to start following those sports.

              • October 15th 2012 @ 2:17pm
                AGO74 said | October 15th 2012 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                Hard to argue with your logic Fuss. Was at the game on sat night. As a long-time Sydney FC supporter who saw some pretty ugly crowds two years ago, it was a pleasure to be at – despite the loss. Saturday night’s match showed just what the A-League can be in Sydney. Sure there were theatre-goers amongst the crowd, but the vast majority of the crowd are already football fans. Matches like saturday should go some way towards converting from not only football fans but to A-League fans. Daily Terror reports today that more merchandise was sold on saturday night than at any other event in 25 year SFS history.


                Can’t wait to attend my first derby this saturday…..

            • Roar Guru

              October 15th 2012 @ 3:18pm
              Fussball ist unser leben said | October 15th 2012 @ 3:18pm | ! Report


              As many of us have been saying for some time, IP TV will revolutionise the way we access sport.

              Just like print media is almost dead in AUS, this online article paints a gloomy picture for FTA Tv.

              Another story worth keeping an eye on is the demise of Channel 9. The company is likely to be declared insolvent by its major lenders, which would – most likely – jeopardise the NRL’s lucrative broadcast deal.

              • October 15th 2012 @ 3:49pm
                Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

                A game of NRL goes for 80 minutes two fourty minute halves they’ll ( Ch 9) be delivering NRL in one to two years time that lasts for three hours just like AFL.

                They have to make there money back somehow “more commercials” I feel sorry for their game.

                Thanks for the link Fuss very interesting.

            • October 24th 2012 @ 12:54am
              Chino said | October 24th 2012 @ 12:54am | ! Report

              Association Football has always been the second football code in the southern states since the beginning of time (or the 1880s). Rugby Union and Rugby League have always been much smaller than Association Football in these states and the gap appears to be widening. In my home state of South Australia we have a total of 11 Rugby Union Clubs and there are 8 Rugby League clubs. Further 5 sports clubs play American Football and 8 clubs play Gaelic Football which compare to 30 clubs in the just the State Federation competition alone or to the over 80 clubs in the SAAFL.

          • Roar Guru

            October 15th 2012 @ 4:14pm
            Redb said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

            Full of assumption and nonsense I’m afraid. It is impossible to draw those conclusions as Foxtel ratings are not broken down by State and depend entirely on which team is playing with regard to Foxtel. Especially with AFL as all games are live and there is no need for a Sydneysider to watch on FTA if they have Foxtel.

            Foxtel ratings for games with the Swans in the game would be much higher in Sydney as a proportion of viewership compared to those without the Swans.

            The ratings year to year also depend on the success factor of a particular team. Sydney AFL ratings on Foxtel would be much higher than say Brisbane this year due to the fortunes of the team. There is a bandwagon factor which you have completed ignored and this skews your ratios. As does the novelty factor.

            The A League’s ratings at what 150K are still tiny compared to AFL and NRL games on Foxtel alone, 4 other games are FTA.

            Foxtel penetration in Sydney is at 40%, Melbourne 30%. 40% of 150K is 60K. Most Swans game get that on FTA alone and that ignores the Swans Foxtel ratings which are 300K+.

            The Melb v Bris HAL game got 100K on Foxtel, at even 60% for Melbourne viewers that is just 60K. NRL games in Melbourne get that for Storm games.

            Anyway carry on. πŸ™‚

            • October 15th 2012 @ 4:24pm
              Breezy said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

              Fussball’s blood will be boiling when he reads your post. All his acolytes just accept his ‘facts’ without question.

            • Roar Guru

              October 15th 2012 @ 4:24pm
              Fussball ist unser leben said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:24pm | ! Report


              I’ve provided management consultancy services to some of the biggest corporates in Australia, so I’ll back my ability to assess markets as well as anyone else in Australia.

              In relation to Foxtel. This year the AFL’s average Foxtel ratings over the 198 H&A games in AFL was 181k.

              The Swans TV ratings on FTA TV in SYDNEY – in the year they won the AFL GF – were around 60k (this is FTA Tv remember); the Giants FTA TV ratings in the year they finished last was around 40k.

              So, with 30 years extra history in Sydney & finishing as the best AFL Team in the world. Swans achieved only 20k more viewers on FTA TV than the Giants.

              Go back to discussing who will finish in the Top 8 next year.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 9:53am
                Redb said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:53am | ! Report

                Well if you’re a professional you would remove yourself due to conflict of interest. Your such a zealous fan of the game your conclusions would inevitably be overly ambitious and indulgent.

                Using the World Cup viewing numbers as a model for a start is a nonsense as it is the Socceroos/World Cup event and we know that is far more popular than the A League.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 10:30am
                Fussball ist unser leben said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:30am | ! Report


                You’re a bore & a troll. And, like every bore I’ve had the misfortune to meet in life you’re ignorant, too.

                Now bore off. We’ve got a wonderful football competition to look forward to. Why don’t you just enjoy whatever you enjoy.

                Why do people like you come to a discussion, when you can add ZERO to our intellectual database of ideas?

                Online trolling is being heavily discussed in the news & it seems that trolls are people with significant underlying psychological & physical problems including: ignorance, inadequacy, immaturity and impotence.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 10:41am
                Redb said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:41am | ! Report


                Then I suggest you stick to what you know. Which aint much.

                If you can’t handle an opposing view then online forums are obviously not hot for you.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 10:45am
                Fussball ist unser leben said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:45am | ! Report


                I have regular disagreements with many football fans on this forum – about the quality of our National Team, the quality of our National Coach, the Technical Development of football in Australia, etc. etc.

                These discussions are robust & heated BUT … I know that the people on the other side of the discussion are:
                a) intelligent
                b) football literate
                c) passionate about the Game

                Alas, you are “none of the above” and, perhaps I’m a snob, but I have no time for ignorant people, who don’t attempt to educate themselves by listening, reading & learning from those, who have better knowledge.

                They say “ignorance is bliss”, so I wish you a blissful life.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 12:31pm
                Redb said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

                Fussball, your model and intepretations are flawed. I guess that being pointed out is a cause for concern so you choose the attack the poster mode πŸ™‚

                Seems intelligent discussion on intrepretating TV ratings for sport is beyond you.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 12:44pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

                @ Redb

                As I mentioned, my methodology has been used to analyse markets that are far more complex than the sports TV broadcast market in Australia.

            • October 15th 2012 @ 4:57pm
              Punter said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

              Like you said bandwagon factor, Storm won the GF this year & has either been in the GF or just just missed the final game of season, while Victory has missed the finals in the last 2 seasons & was losing their match pretty badly against the Roar. Looks like you are the one who is full of nonsense.

              • Roar Guru

                October 16th 2012 @ 9:54am
                Redb said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:54am | ! Report

                You just backed me up. πŸ™‚

            • Roar Rookie

              October 15th 2012 @ 9:57pm
              Football Authority said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:57pm | ! Report

              while something is growing strongly the outlook is good . . .

              in some areas football is already number one, just look at the player registrations and the international ratings figures – not just melb

      • October 15th 2012 @ 9:58am
        C'monJETS said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:58am | ! Report

        Fuss – MV looked uncomfortale playing out, a bit slow at the moment, teams know, from previous years, how to counteract AP style, and as MV are learning it in an environment where the other teams know how to combat this style from the last few years playing against bris, Bozza brought up an interesting point last night on the sunday – ‘shootout’ show’, in his oppinion, AP has to make some decisions soon on the style he employs, he has had much success in bris, but the league is better equipped now, making it harder for MV to sneak up as bris did, …….does AP persist, or change to suit his players?……..my guess is he will persist as history shows the style pays off in the long run. Good luck against Adelaide, Flores will score.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 10:07am
          Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:07am | ! Report

          With the victory scorelines arent terribly important if the players know they are learning a new method of playing style,you can quite clearly tell there not use to it and to there credit continued to try and play that way,some will go but not many.The players appear know to have a leader and leadership which they never experinced last year so every cloud.

      • October 15th 2012 @ 10:18am
        striker said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        Fuss good to see Melbourne Heart get over 10k if the crowd numbers were true at least there fan base is growing.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 10:20am
          Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:20am | ! Report

          Heart give you a pretty decent type of game to watch, GA.

        • Roar Guru

          October 15th 2012 @ 11:19am
          Philip Coates said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:19am | ! Report

          Hard to know the true ‘Heart’ crowd figure as the match was followed by the Vic Premier League grand final which would have brought a few thousand VPL supporters through the turnstiles as well.

        • October 15th 2012 @ 12:22pm
          Stevo said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

          There were a lot of red&whites streaming into AAIMI and a lot going out. The VPL grand final followed straight afterwards so I reckoned there would have been 1-2 k staying for that match so the Heart component would have been around 8k or there abouts. Great atmosphere at the ground – pity we squandered chances in the first half (like against MV) to have put the contest well and truely to bed by half time. As it turned out, Colosimo decided to lend a hand and flapped at a goalward bound ball and got himself sent off early in the second half. On the back foot (but not without some chances) from then on.

          • October 15th 2012 @ 1:24pm
            Evan Askew said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

            I havne’t yet seen the highlights of the VPL grand final so I can’t comment on what the crowd was. But the VPL final along with the NSWPL final would generally attract 4k as a minimum. Last year the NSWPL grand final got 10k and this year it was played at Bonnyrigg Whiteagles ground which has a capacity of about 5k. There didn’t look like many empty spots for that occasion. So with 10k attending and Heart generally attracccting 5 to 7k for this sort of fixture it is reasonable to suggest that 4k is the attendence for the VPL grand final component of the day. Its a pity that more didn’t stay as Oakleigh Cannons and Dandenong Thunder do great things at a local level.

      • October 16th 2012 @ 1:49am
        Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:49am | ! Report

        “If this occurs, and MVFC concede 2 goals every game, it means, unless MVFC can score 3 or more every game, we’re not going to win. It’s a harsh reality that pains me greatly – as a normally optimistic MVFC fan.”

        ………thanks for that Fuss. πŸ˜‰ ….lol

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