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    It has been some time coming, but finally, it seems, those in the grandstands and terraces are getting the recognition they deserve, and helping drive the upturn in fortunes for the A-League.

    Long considered football’s problem-child, fans are now being engaged at all levels to help drive the future direction of the round ball game downunder.

    How times have changed. 

    Not only are fans fast becoming a sounding-board for our administrators, but the active supporters groups are finally getting wider recognition for the unique and vibrant atmosphere they generate on match-days.

    Even ‘all-sport’ scribes, the likes of Phil Rothfield and Richard Hinds, who tend to lean another way, are jumping on board, proclaiming the match-day experience at an A-League game to be the best fan experience around.

    They’re finally waking up to what those of us who love the game have known all along.

    Soon enough we might see Andrew Demetriou locking arms with a Victory fan or two, jumping up and down in the Blue and White Brigade. 

    In truth, it’s more likely to be Demetriou’s daughters or son that become Victory or Heart members in a few years, such are the demographics flowing to football.

    What’s become patently clear after a period of regression is that it’s the fans helping shift the perception, through much self-policing and incredible commitment.

    Not only are they passionate, but they are intelligent, looking at things through worldly eyes.

    Having worked underground for so long because the establishment told them their code wasn’t good enough, most can look beyond their own colours and see the bigger picture.

    Primarily they want to help the sport grow, and they want to have a say in how it grows.

    This was articulated well by many, including Adelaide United fan Kasey in my column on Tuesday, when I posed the question of whether the Western Sydney Wanderers could become the biggest football club in Australia in a decade or so.

    “There are quite a few savvy football fans out there, we’ve seen many things in football come and go in our time.

    “One thing remains though and that is the overwhelming desire to see the game succeed and grow,” Kasey wrote.

    “As a club, WSW are to be congratulated for showing that listening to the fans will yield good results.

    “We might not all have MBA’s or marketing degrees, but most of all we know what we want in a club and in general have an idea about where we want the A-League to be. Yes we can be impatient, but who hasn’t been when they’ve wanted something particularly strongly?

    “If FFA listened to the fans more than they currently do, there’d be a hell of a lot fewer dissenting voices.”

    It seems the governing body are finally getting it. Recently, at an insiders pre-season brief in Melbourne, a few fans were among the gathered media and club representatives. 

    Meanwhile, the FFA’s new club, the Wanderers, have hitherto been a case study in how to effectively engage fans from the grassroots up.

    After a series of fan forums across western Sydney soon after the club was announced, it appears they have taken on most of the feedback.

    The fans wanted red and black colours and that’s what they got. They wanted to play out of Parramatta Stadium, tick.

    They said a big “no thanks” to ANZ Stadium at Homebush, so even when the Wanderers had an opportunity to move the first derby there after Alessandro Del Piero’s arrival, they didn’t.

    It might not have been the greatest commercial move, short-term, but in the long run it builds goodwill, and that’s a priceless ingredient.

    Other clubs, like the Central Coast Mariners, Brisbane Roar and Melbourne Heart, have set a good example on the engagement front over the years.

    Rather than Clive Palmer’s failed build-it-and-they-will-come facade on the Gold Coast, now it’s about listening and executing.

    Perhaps the line in the sand came last year, when Lee Sutherland, of Football Fans Down Under, held a series of forums in Sydney and Melbourne to give fans a voice.

    Suddenly, fans who felt they’d been suppressed and had no platform to confront the likes of Ben Buckley and Hatamoto, the security firm commissioned by the FFA to manage A-League crowds, had their chance.

    With significant media attention, on Twitter, SBS and beyond, the fans’ grievances were out there.

    Perhaps the most significant message from the floor was the fans wanted to be heard. And engaged.

    The attention and scrutiny helped Melbourne Victory’s active supporters sort out a few long-standing issues with the club and Victorian Police.

    Suddenly the powers that be had no choice but to sit up and take notice.

    Now these same administrators, at both headquarters and the clubs, are using their own fan forums on a regular basis to garner the thoughts of their fans.

    There hasn’t always been tension between the two. The Cove, Sydney FC’s active group, have generally fostered a healthy relationship with their office, dating back to the days of the original chair, Walter Bugno, who was very popular among the fans.

    But generally, it has been a tense past, much as it has been between the clubs and head office.

    Even this week the FFA has forced Adelaide United to shut down a “rogue” website.

    There is still plenty of work to do, but at least fan groups are now at the table, getting a say.

    Administrators, at club and headquarters, now realise it’s smart business to keep fans on-side.

    In truth, it’s the only business. Without them you have nothing.

    It’s taken a while, but the fans are finally where they should be, considered an asset rather than a hindrance.

    So, to every A-League supporter, whether you’re in The Shed, Den, Cove, Yarraside, Red and Black Bloc, Yellow Fever, Red Army, Squadron, Yellow Army or Blue and White Brigade, or on here sharing your passion, congratulations and keep it up.

    Tony Tannous
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    • October 25th 2012 @ 3:25am
      Bee Bee said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:25am | ! Report

      Thankyou Tony.

      I too have noticed a real maturity and thoughtfulness behind much of the talk surrounding football in Australia at present. There is a real cooperative passion developing to see the A-League and the entire sport flourish.

      There is a long way to go but it feels like we are witnessing the birth of a league that will still be here in 100 years.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 12:28pm
        Chips Rafferty said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

        Listen son, straya just has no sockah culture.

        The average two bob suburban bloggers, consolers and new dawners are always gonna believe this stuff.

        I should know. I remain close to the movers and shakers in strayan sockah. These edam munching blow ins and sauerkraut gobblers are just on the gravy train in straya, because they are unemployable in their own country.

        They could save a lot of the hard earned and put the likes of quality and experienced clipboard carriers like Les Scheinflug, Raul Blanco or me as Technical Director instead of Berger sucking the mango.

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          October 25th 2012 @ 12:55pm
          Fussball ist unser leben said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

          @Chips Rafferty

          Outrageous stereotyping .. how dare you forget: the pasta eaters, the souvlaki gobblers, the baklava munchers, the Ćevapi nibblers, the Pumpkin Seed vendors, etc. etc.

          Very disappointed in your trolling attempt – lift your game son – this is your only forum now that you’ve sheepishly removed yourself from Twitter 😉

          • October 25th 2012 @ 3:24pm
            Chips Rafferty said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

            Listen Fussball, instead of listening to the suburban bloggers and new dawners about sockah ya needs to take notes when yer talking to one of strayan sockah’s big boys.

            When yer talking big yer talking Chips. When yer talking Chips yer talking big, son.

            Ya is another geek who spends too much time behind the console screen, rather than learning sockah on the park or holding the clipboard. Yer could even learn a bit by being a cone carrier son. Come back to me then…

    • October 25th 2012 @ 4:43am
      AVictory said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:43am | ! Report

      Well said, it’s amazing to see how much has changed, especially the mood over the past 18 months. At the end of 2010/11, off the field many things looked really grim and hopeless. Such a nice change and the crowds are healthily growing finally (also in dB levels), no disrespect to the marquees and it’s great to have them, but I’m certain with the way things have been going that this years A-League would have seen a rise anyway. Outside of NSW, the marquees haven’t had any real effect yet on the rest of the countries clubs.

      Also, this is a common error in the media and knowing this will help you in the future, The Blue and White Brigade is just a small group, the active support you are referring to is called the North Terrace. The North Terrace is made up of many groups united, Horda, M3, ITA, etc BWB just happens to be the one with the microphone. None of it would be possible if they didn’t work together.

    • October 25th 2012 @ 5:35am
      Johnno said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:35am | ! Report

      A good article Tony. Some expansion that still needs to be done I think sooner rather than later.

      A 3rd Melbourne Team. STH Melbourne could be good as Melbourne needs a team with Southern Melbourne prescence on south side of Yarra. And guys remember NSL names were all changed in 1990 form memory you won;t allowed to call your name along ethnic lines, so it is hardly an issue. STH Melbourne as a name is so good and has so much history would get massive supporter base like West Sydney Wanderers are doing. Are the Wanderers a de facto NSL club I was talking with some mates and on some A-league forums, it is a highly debatable subject in my opinion. But STH Mlebourne would certainly add some real colour to the A-league and brand prescence like west sydney. Would be awesome a Victory VS South Melbourne local derby , heck play it at the MCG it could get sold out easy.

      Also west Adelaide, bring in a 2nd Adeliade team. Adelaide city VS West Adeliade was one of most fierce NSL local derbies. West Adelaide still going strong in local SA 1st division.

      Canberra is a must have, the W-league team down there is a hit.

      And also a 2nd Brisbane team, and bring back Townsville but market themselves as Townsvilele Fury , like the nBL team uses Townsville, not market themselves as NTH QLD.

      SO expansion teams:

      -3RD Melbourne Team-South Melbourne (to me they will always be hellas in my heart and I am not Greek and neither is Paul Wade, or Francis Awartipe, but I just loved that club. The legendary Hungarian Great Puskas coached them to a NSL title. And sth Melbourne have played in the singapore champions league the last few years, bit should be in OZ not in SIngapore.

      -West Adelaide too. A traditional club with big huge following and good market share. Adelaide is big city 1.2 million and growing and all of SA wider 1.5 million catchment. Adleaide crows/Port have won titles and survive and Port is going forwad with Dvaid Kich getting involved port set to get big again. Port Adelaide in the SANFL days and aussie rules was one fo biggest clubs in OZ. And Adelaide teams in all sports have a great record , kinda like the Germany of soccer , Adleaide sports teams they do know how too win. Maybe it is the huge German history in South Australia who knows, but they have in all sports and in the old NSL Adeliade city/West Adelaide huge success. So proven history of supporting 2 teams and local derby was huge .

      -A 3rd sydney team. Still think sydney United could work

      -And a 2nd Brisbane team: For those that know Brisvagas 2 sides of Brisbane river a souths Brisbane team would be huge or even a Ipswich too would be massive.

      -And don’t give up on Gold Coast if done right could happen. Huge population.

      -And Geelong too must be looked at a sleeping giant of Australian football. And a team down Hobart way or launceston in Tasmania must be looked at. Tassie love getting behind national teams in past eg Basketball Hobart Devils just need a chance and opening.

      -And A FFA cup by 2015, and a national 2nd division by 2016-17 season would be good too. Teams like Darwin , and Cairns get into the action and a team at Fremantle too in 2nd division. Cairns have a NBL basketball team and that is doing good.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 8:54am
        MelbCro said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:54am | ! Report

        Why would South Melbourne be good? Clearly you don’t follow the VPL Johnno, South crowds are long gone. They have been out of the top flight for almost a decade now, there is no way they will be able to re-connect with a supporterbase where the majority have moved on a long time ago.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 9:17am
        Realfootball said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:17am | ! Report

        Forget more teams in Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney unless attendances almost double.

        Particularly when there are cities with demonstrable support and no teams – Auckland (20k to the last Phoenix game, a population close in size to Brisbane), Wollongong, Canberra and Christchurch.

        A true Anzac league with all 3 nz cities represented is really the only way we will achieve a league with the number of teams we need to match the European season.

        But that is all very long term. Consolidation is the name of the game right now.

        • October 25th 2012 @ 9:38am
          Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:38am | ! Report

          Putting aside the thought that expansion shouldn’t even be thought about until the current 10 team set up is bedded down and stable.
          I agree with you RF about an Anzac League.
          22 million is too small a country to reach a size football league that is of decent size to provide the length of season needed to produce better players. But a combined 26 million population (our 22mil[10 to13 teams] + NZs 4 mil[up to 3 teams: WPX/AKL/CHCH]) would allow for a max sized 14 or 16 team league many years down the track. Of course with NZ outside AFC we could encounter a heap of obstructionist red tape from AFC but who is to say the Kiwis wont leave the OFC and join us in AFC within the next 10 years?

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            October 25th 2012 @ 10:07am
            Fussball ist unser leben said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:07am | ! Report

            I’m sure you both meant to refer to “ANZ” rather than “ANZAC”?

            Having said that, unless NZ joins the Asian Confederation I can’t see that happening.

            From what I gather, the only reason the AFC condones the Nix playing in our Australian football league is because the Nix are legally an Australian football club (registered in Australia), who play their home games in NZ.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 10:40am
              Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:40am | ! Report

              Fuss of course, ANZAC is purely a term for the ADF and NZDF on joint operations. FYI right now there is an ANZAC unit in Timor Leste on Peacekeeping duty. However with the trans tasman Netball competition(anyone else remember the Netty show?) being called the ANZ Championship for sponsorship reasons, unless that bank decide to userp Hyundai as naming rights sponsor of our domestic league or convince FFA to throw away their years spent building the brand name of the A-Leaguein the very crowded Australian Sports landscape in favour of something like the ANZ Premier League or Trans Tasman Premier League I think any future NZ teams would just have to suck it up and apply to join the “A-League” as it currently stands.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm
              Brendo said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

              Actually Fuss I believe that is the argument that FFA and Phoenix were making to allow Wellignton the right to a AFC Champions League spot.

              The AFC on the other hand see Wellington as a NZ club being given special premission to particpate in the A-league. They point to the special rules that Welllington operate under where NZ players are not counted as foreign nationals. The was the AFC reasoning for potentially not accepting Wellignton into the ACL.

              I believe the latest thinking was that Wellignton would not be granted a spot in the ACL but its sure to raise it head again if they did manage to finish in a position that would normally mean they had won the right.

              • October 26th 2012 @ 12:49pm
                Kylesy said | October 26th 2012 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

                They have to qualify for the CL first…

            • October 25th 2012 @ 12:44pm
              Chips Rafferty said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

              You ain’t getting any better are you?

              Ya needs me to give yer the facts of life about strayan sockah son.

              The AFC just turns a blind eye cos they want straya’s cash.

          • October 25th 2012 @ 12:36pm
            Chips Rafferty said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

            You still here son?

            Still using up mum and dads internet?

            The kiwis are even more of a basket case than straya. If yer’d been around the traps like one of the big boys in strayan sockah, like myself, yer’d know ya is talking trash son.

            In another four years there will be no sockah in straya and kiwiland apart from state leagues. The Z league will have gone arse over tit by then. Too many edam munching mango suckers on the gravy train who know nothing about sockah using up the cash.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 1:00pm
              Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

              Auckland Kingz played at North Harbour. It would be like Melbourne Victory paying in Casey.
              Consider all the teams that failed to gain large traction in the NSL-era. Lessons can only be learned if the specifics of the failure are examined. Auckland Kingz played in the wrong location and geez they lost a lot more than they won. There’s every reason to believe that a team set up properly with FFA supporting the team (we shouldn’t expand until the FFA has the cash to cover the salary cap of any new team) and playing actually in Auckland could succeed.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 1:56pm
              Damiano said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

              This is funny, I always picture Chips as being a 16 year old kid.
              Anyway, you heard it first 4 years is all it has left!

              • October 25th 2012 @ 1:58pm
                Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

                Is that separate to or on top of the “3 years max” the bitters gave the A-League from inception?
                Oh dear, turns out the ‘bloody anglos’ do know how to run a football league 😉

              • October 25th 2012 @ 2:39pm
                Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

                I think Chips is older than 16, the trolling has a tiny element of creativity to it despite its crude bluntness.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 2:20pm
              TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

              Four years more Chips?

              Even the National Soccer League lasted 35 years or so.

              I would think the newest national soccer comp would last at least half of that period.


              • October 25th 2012 @ 2:42pm
                Nathan of Perth said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

                Was it a taste for tennis that fuelled your taste for the backhand or is it simply snark by nature?

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                October 25th 2012 @ 3:12pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                Even the flaming attempts from the anit-HAL brigade have an impotence about them – the sense of defeatist resignation in recent times is palpable.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 10:15am
        GrammerNartzy said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:15am | ! Report

        Surely Wollongong and Canberra deserve a team before a third team in Sydney or another Queensland team.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 12:01pm
        trojan said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

        taking into comments from MelbCro – but if south melbourne v victory would sell out the mcg, where is the supposed support now?
        i think we need to consolidate the current 10 teams. then another QLD team can emerge, always liked the fury. before expanding into 5 teams in NSW or 3 teams in Vic. we need to get the current teams going gangbusters with consistent crowds before expanding too quickly again.

    • October 25th 2012 @ 6:12am
      Wotdoo said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:12am | ! Report

      South Melbourne have absolutely no chance of gaining entry to the A-Leauge
      Give it up.

    • October 25th 2012 @ 6:12am
      Wotdoo said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:12am | ! Report

      South Melbourne have absolutely no chance of gaining entry to the A-Leauge
      Give it up.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 8:44am
        Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        I’m not going to comment on the frankly ridiculous suggestion of South Melbourne or Sydney United in the A-League. If this previous off season has shown anything, it has shown that some elements of old Soccer are not to be trusted with the good name of the game that has been built up in the A-League era.

        Regardless I think we should all concentrate on bedding down the current 10 teams and ensuring the success of the next period of the competition, underpinned by the new TV deal setting the competition up for future expansion into the more likely markets of Canberra and/or Wollongong.
        One thing that emerged out of the ID card issue that the UK Tories threatened football fans with in the wake of the public disorder on the terraces following the social chaos of the Thatchher’s 80s and 90s was the formation of the Football Supporters Federation.
        FSF represents football fans in both England and Wales.
        It campaigns across a range of issues and supports fan representation on clubs’ boards, lower ticket prices, and the introduction of safe standing areas at grounds in the top two tiers of English football. The organisation is free to join and acts as a singular voice for football fans. It currently has more than 180,000 individual and affiliate members. They even have managed to get themselves a seat for the elected FSF chairperson on the FA’s council.

        I would love to see the co-operation between the fans and the FFA formalised with a similar organisation here in Australia. I imagine towards the top of the ‘to do’ list would be to discuss:
        -the need or otherwise of security organisation Hatamoto in the game
        -further de-regulation of the pre-match ‘entertainment’ club by club.
        -the goings on of an FFA cup.
        perhaps after a basic level of trust between a fans organisation and the FFA had been established
        more complex issues such as:
        -designated areas where fan initiated pyrotechnic (smoke bombs/flares etc) displays could occur.
        input into stadium design so that standing areas like the Shed and the FOTS are replicated in appropriate venues country wide rather than being destroyed. Safe standing is not only possble as shown by the German example, but it leads to IMO a greater attmosphere in the stadium.
        PS: thanks for the kind words regarding my contribution to your previous article:)

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        October 25th 2012 @ 11:56am
        AndyRoo said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:56am | ! Report

        South Melbourne would be the only old NSL club I wouldn’t mind seeing back.

        It would be something different and one of the few ways to justify a third Melbourne team.

        • October 25th 2012 @ 12:12pm
          striker said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          Andy Roo i dont thing the FFA will go down the one ethnic group team like the old NSL.

      • October 25th 2012 @ 2:21pm
        TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

        Let us not forget that South Melbourne was recently voted the greatest soccer club in Oceania – of all time.


        • October 25th 2012 @ 3:20pm
          Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

          its Oceania….who were they up against??, the mighty Waikato Rovers or Hearts of Coconut??

          • October 25th 2012 @ 3:52pm
            TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

            There are quite a few clubs from the region with a grand history: Wilhelmina; Juventus; Marconi; Melbourne Knights; JUST; Makedonia; Olympic; Auckland; Waitekere Untd; Ba FC; etc

            Soccer has been played in the region for many years.


    • October 25th 2012 @ 6:45am
      James said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:45am | ! Report

      Great article.
      For any future expansion the Wanderers should be used as a blueprint. They now have one of the best (if not the best) strips and emblems. Very importantly they also don’t have a ridiculous name like Roar, Glory, Victory or Fury, giving them credibility among the football literate. The aforementioned teams didn’t consult the fans, inventing these names under the misguided pretense that Australians prefer clownish names, based on other sports.

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        October 25th 2012 @ 10:20am
        Fussball ist unser leben said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:20am | ! Report


        I’m not too impressed with some of the names chosen by the HAL foundation clubs but, when I reviewed names of football clubs from overseas, I realised this may be due to personal insecurities & cultural cringe.

        So, I thought “Victory” was a bit naff but then I realised I’ve got no problem with overseas club names like:
        * Fortune as in Fortuna Dusseldorf
        * Harmony as in Eintracht Frankfurt
        * Victory as in Al Nasr

        I thought “Roar”, “Fury” is naff then I realised clubs with proud histories have names like:
        * Lightning as in Rayo Vallecano
        * Storm as in Sturm Graz
        * Hurricane as in Club Atletico Huracan

        Already in 7 years, I’ve come to call MVFC as “The Victory” as much as I call them “Melbourne Victory”, so I guess I’ve lost my cultural cringe.

        • October 25th 2012 @ 10:40am
          Evan Askew said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:40am | ! Report

          True, those names sound a lot more football when pronounced in another tounge.

          • October 25th 2012 @ 10:43am
            James said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            Exactly. In the English speaking world these A-league names are cringeworthy.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 10:55am
              Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:55am | ! Report

              As an old Navy man, I’ve always kind of liked the name Torpedo Moscow to be honest:)

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              October 25th 2012 @ 10:58am
              Fussball ist unser leben said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:58am | ! Report

              “In the English speaking world these A-league names are cringeworthy”

              HUH?? That’s ridiculous … unless you also suggest the foreign names are also cringeworthy in their native language?

              How about some of the most famous names in English football – cringeworthy or noble?

              Arsenal FC was named after a factory – it formed by blokes working at the Royal Arsenal factory in South London.

              Sheffield Wednesday was named after a day of the week!

              Tottenham Hotspur was named after 14th century Earl of Northumberland, Sir Henry Percy aka Henry ‘Hotspur’

              • October 25th 2012 @ 11:05am
                Kasey said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:05am | ! Report

                When ever I feel that we have overstepped the line of what is acceptable. I ask myself…do the fans of that team like it? If they do then there isn’t a problem. As try-hard as Real Salt Lake sounds to my ears, it matters not as RSL have their own SSS in SLCity and are drawing a crowd average of just over 17k which puts it on the MLS averages give or take a cold night in the desert.
                Western Sydney Wanderers workls so well not because of the name wanderers specifically, but because that’s the name the vast majority of potential WS fans wanted their team to be called.

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                October 25th 2012 @ 12:00pm
                AndyRoo said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

                I thought Victory was an excellent name the first time I heard it and stand by that assessment.

                Just really clever and subtle on so many levels. When you can have multiple origin stories for a name you know it’s a winner.

                “It’s in reference to the big V”
                “It’s a play on the word Victoria”

                Phoenix was also pretty awesome given how they came about.

                I like the Wanderers and from other codes I also think the Rebels is a great name.

              • October 25th 2012 @ 1:19pm
                Nathan of Perth said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Out with English, in with something else, its time for a change! Sorry old Bard, your tongue has done its dash!

              • October 25th 2012 @ 6:30pm
                Jim Bom said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:30pm | ! Report

                Surely a true”wanderers” would have no fixed abode, and have to play on non-local/native pitches? Just asking.

              • October 25th 2012 @ 10:09pm
                James said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

                Yes, cringeworthy. My point is exactly what Kasey stated – what the fans of the team deem appropriate ought to be the name. I seriously doubt the Roar, Fury etc. would have been chosen by the fans.
                Next time try to read people’s comments in the context of the article. I know you comment a lot, so try to remember which article you’re commenting on.

        • October 25th 2012 @ 7:12pm
          Floyd Calhoun said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:12pm | ! Report

          I was told by a German that Eintracht translates as United.

          • October 25th 2012 @ 7:52pm
            pete4 said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:52pm | ! Report

            I always thought Eintracht meant when 2 clubs merged but looking it up it translates to: Harmony, Concord, Peace, Unity, Union.

            • October 25th 2012 @ 8:22pm
              Floyd Calhoun said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:22pm | ! Report

              I think it’s all correct Pete4, Unity, common purpose etc.

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