Quade Cooper no loss to Australian rugby

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    Quade Cooper and Shane Watson are both injury prone. But that’s the only common denominator between two of Australia’s most talented sportsmen.

    Loose cannon Cooper, of “toxic environment” fame, has cut his ties with the ARU which automatically ends his Wallaby career.

    No tears there, he’s more trouble than he’s worth. If there’s anything toxic in the Wallaby camp, it’s Quade Cooper, just as Matt Giteau was in the latter part of his Australian career that cost him a 2011 World Cup berth.

    Cooper’s departure finally breaks up the three amigos with Kurtley Beale, and James O’Connor, and that can only be beneficial to the Wallabies. It’s no secret both Beale and O’Connor, when he eventually gets back on the paddock, both play better when Cooper is not around.

    A big bonus for Robbie Deans as well, he won’t have to look over his shoulder for the next Cooper snipe.

    The ARU clash puts Cooper’s contract with the Queensland Reds in jeopardy, leaving three options – playing rugby overseas, switching to rugby league, and/or the boxing ring.

    The latter option proves Cooper has completely lost the plot trying to mimic his great mate Sonny Bill Williams.

    SBW has the talent to succeed in all three sports, Cooper will never make it in league, or the ring.

    He’s bitten the hand that feedeth, and will pay a heavy financial penalty.

    While Cooper keeps making a goose of himself, Shane Watson has kept his dedication and allegiance to Australian cricket intact, as he battles the clock to overcome a calf injury to play in the second Test against South Africa in Adelaide, starting Thursday.

    Nobody will ever read anything derogatory said by Watson, it’s not his nature.

    Which begs the question, how much better would Cooper have been as a Wallaby had he Watson’s temperament?

    We’ll never ever know.

    David Lord
    David Lord

    David Lord was deeply involved in two of the biggest sporting stories - World Series Cricket in 1977 and professional rugby in 1983. After managing Jeff Thomson and Viv Richards during WSC, in 1983 David signed 208 of the best rugby players from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France to play an international pro circuit. The concept didn?t get off the ground, but it did force the IRB to get cracking and bring in the World Rugby Cup, now one of the world?s great sporting spectacles

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    • Columnist

      November 20th 2012 @ 6:08am
      Brett McKay said | November 20th 2012 @ 6:08am | ! Report

      I can fully understand the ARU revising their contract offer to Cooper after all this, but this really does smack of a double punishment and/or an attempt to drive him out of the game in Australia. We can say what we like about Cooper’s attitude and how he conducts himself, but the reality is that although the Australian talent pool is gradually increasing, it’s still not deep enough to just cast aside a known match-winner in this manner..

      • Roar Rookie

        November 20th 2012 @ 8:12am
        Chris Hardiman said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:12am | ! Report

        As much as he is a known match winner, he is a known match loser as well.
        The Wallabies should have a no d#ckhead policy and that policy should be named the no Quade Cooper policy.

        • Roar Rookie

          November 20th 2012 @ 9:56am
          Comrade Bear said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:56am | ! Report

          “The Wallabies should have a no d#ckhead policy”

          Ok – so lets get rid of:

          – “Knuckles Beale” for countless drunken spats and for punching female Cousins..
          – JOC for “that” haircut, wearing purple pants whilst advertising Vitamins and destroying a hotel room

          …should I go on?

          • Roar Rookie

            November 20th 2012 @ 11:27am
            Chris Hardiman said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:27am | ! Report

            Fine with me to keep going and don’t stop at just the players.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 12:57pm
          Happy Hooker said | November 20th 2012 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

          …or the no Chris @ the Old Barbershop policy!

          • Roar Rookie

            November 20th 2012 @ 1:11pm
            Chris Hardiman said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

            That is already a policy that says don’t listen to any nonsense about George Piggins from Happy Hooker thanks chump.

      • Roar Guru

        November 20th 2012 @ 8:15am
        stillmissit said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:15am | ! Report

        Brett – I think what your thinking is the same that the ARU has gone through. He has brought the game into disrepute and can’t be seen to get away with that and with the hope that he has no other immediate options on the table according to reports league is closed, Europe/Japan is next August, then this might have been a move to keep him and shut him up.

        I think the ball is in Nasser’s court and the announcement next week will be interesting. Would he go to play in NZ? Wouldn’t that be a shock?

      • November 20th 2012 @ 8:36am
        Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:36am | ! Report

        The smarter move by Cooper would be to take the contract, play the house down with a perfect 8-0 record against the other Australian teams and flyhalves and then release a statement through the media when they are forced to select him for the Wallabies that he won’t play for Deans or the current ARU administration. Then win the SR title and then go play in Japan or Europe. But then I’m vindictive.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 10:24am
          Let the One King Rule said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:24am | ! Report

          …. And even with an understandable Reds bias, you’re assuming a lot. QC narrowly carried the Reds to a victory in 2011 when the Crusaders were heavily hamstrung and there were no other standout sides in the competition. 2012 was a very different proposition, and 2013 will be again.

          I wouldn’t really consider a strategy that relies on attaining a perfect record against Australian sides and another super trophy a ‘smart move’, let alone the smarter move.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 10:32am
            Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:32am | ! Report

            A perfect record against the other Australian flyhalves is not a difficult prospect. Cooper has lost two matches against Australian opposition in two years. Going 8-0 in 2013 is not a stretch at all.
            The Super title is, but that is where he should aim. Topping the Australian conference and then telling Deans to shove it is a win, a second title would just be gravy.

            • November 20th 2012 @ 7:26pm
              Mark Robinson said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:26pm | ! Report

              Christian Lealiifano makes Cooper look like a schoolboy! The last world title Australia won 19’s no coincidence a fully fit Lealiifano at 10

              • November 20th 2012 @ 7:35pm
                Justin2 said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

                19s is a far cry from super rugby let alone test rugby

        • November 20th 2012 @ 12:45pm
          PM said | November 20th 2012 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

          Your suggestion of the smarter move is un-Australian and a repeat of what he has already done and why he finds himself in his current predicament.

          If QC wants to represent Australia and believes he can he should have the balls to take the contract and back himself to win selection.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 1:20pm
            Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

            If you think flipping the bird at authority is “un-Australian” I suggest you go back and take some grade 3 social studies classes. Australia’s national heroes are Ned Kelly (criminal) and a jolly swagman (thief who commits suicide to avoid the cops).

            • November 20th 2012 @ 1:57pm
              PM said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

              To clarify, turning your back on your country is un-Australian. QC is like anyone else that has an employer, so flipping the bird at them usually finds someone looking for a new job and that’s not what grade 3 social studies would teach.

              Time has moved on from then so get with the times, your idea of national hero’s is pretty limited.

              So what you’re saying is it’s Australian to cut off your nose despite your face and to turn your back on your country.

              It’s very Australian to back yourself and prove people wrong which it seems he’s not prepared to do.

            • Roar Guru

              November 20th 2012 @ 2:33pm
              stillmissit said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

              Red K – Australians generally will flip the bird at authority until it affects their mates then they fight to the death for a principle or a battle. Would you want Quadey beside you in a fight for a principle or a battle ground? He would be amongst the last I would choose.

              The guy will turn to water when a Red light shows up unless its the cops.

              • November 20th 2012 @ 3:55pm
                Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

                Sorry I assumed from the press and every new zealand poster on these boards that Quade Cooper was a kiwi.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 10:23pm
          Zulu said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:23pm | ! Report

          I agree but would stipulate my match payment would be 100k for the win – he put’s bums on seats!

      • November 20th 2012 @ 8:46am
        Gussy Boi said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:46am | ! Report

        My intial thoughts was goodbye Quade, but after an hour or so of dwelling on it, I came to the same conclusion as you Brett.

        He’s a freak talent, who puts bums on seats. However, his Wallaby and 2012 form struggles to warrant a big contract offer in my opinion. I hope his attitude is, I’ll cop this and prove everyone wrong, and win the respect back of the players and fans.

        Signing that 1 year contract in 2011 has come back to bite him big time.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 8:48am
          Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:48am | ! Report

          Yeah everyone told him pre-RWC in 2011 it was a bad move, but he still went for the 1-year deal.
          Jim Tucker is reporting that Cooper may accept the contract if he is allowed to box in February on the SBW undercard. That to me seems the best of both worlds, Cooper plays rugby and we get to see someone punch him in the face.

          • Roar Guru

            November 20th 2012 @ 9:08am
            Rusty said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:08am | ! Report


          • November 20th 2012 @ 9:11am
            Harry said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:11am | ! Report

            Agree with that!
            Gawd Khoder will struggle to find a suitable patsy for Quade in the ring …
            Shamed to admit I would pay good money to see Quade in the ring with, say, someone rated between 20 and 50 in Australia (how low do the rankings go?) at his weight class.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 9:26am
            Justin2 said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:26am | ! Report

            I reckon more people will watch for that than for watching SBW actually fight properly RK! I know I will, Id like to see QC get the living suitcase punched out of him. Might wake him up a little bit…

          • November 20th 2012 @ 3:37pm
            ThomasCrown said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

            Red k – “best of both worlds” lmao Nek Minnit, boxing in Aus n NZ fetch a 1billion dollar tv deal lol.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 11:17am
          Clinno said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:17am | ! Report

          In Rugby Union Integrity is above ‘bums on seats’ on the priority list, unlike It’s spawned, cheap version of the game – Rugby League, which Cooper would fit in much better.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 3:47pm
            ThomasCrown said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:47pm | ! Report

            Clinno- get over yourself, integrity over money is absolute utter rubbish. In case u didnt know, rugby has gone pro. Its a business not a Church and forget bums on seats, it needs eyes on tv to generate cash from tv deals to help grow the game. If the ARU shared ur opinion, Rugby will suffer a swift death in Aus.

        • November 21st 2012 @ 2:06am
          Handles O'Love said | November 21st 2012 @ 2:06am | ! Report

          What 2012 form are you talking about? He played a couple of Super Rugby games and was fantastic, and one test match, in Auckland.

          Count the number of chances Beale has blown this year, Wales was his “bad game he had to have”, then the first All Blacks game was worse, and the first Boks game was crap.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 8:56am
        kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:56am | ! Report

        Brett interesting point of view, but perhaps one thing I can add is that we really don’t actually know what a) the players or b) the Australian rugby hierarchy really thought of Cooper’s behaviour.

        It could be that the ARU, whose board includes big former Wallabies, was so outraged by such conduct that they insisted he be let go.

        It could also be that many of the players were strongly against the idea of a player who says he wouldn’t play for Australia returning to the team, and from one angle undermining their team in the weak before a crucial match.

        Who knows. Remember though that his outburst was quite unprecedented. But it is significant that this won’t have been O’Neill’s decision, and so that suggests it is a general board decision.

        • Columnist

          November 20th 2012 @ 10:56am
          Brett McKay said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:56am | ! Report

          KPM, I reckon the size ofthe initial fine, and now this leaked news about the revised contract off gives a fair indication of what the Australian rugby hierarchy really thought!!

          You may have a point about the players though, and Sharpie even touched on the topic after the England win, with something of a suggestion that the squad is motivated to succeed perhaps in spite of Cooper’s outburst.

          Anyway, as laughable as the whole situation is already, I dead set laughed out loud at the suggestion Cooper might try his hand at boxing….

          • November 20th 2012 @ 11:07am
            kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:07am | ! Report

            True Brett, why do so many sportsman think boxing is the solution to everything? (I just read about Flintoff and his first bout, who seems to think it will solve life after cricket).

            I think I’m in the odd position of thinking Cooper is a tremendous player but that his outburst was outrageous and deserving of condemnation. Most would not be able to hold both a positive and negative position like this at once: that’s objectivity!

            • November 20th 2012 @ 11:15am
              Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:15am | ! Report

              Don’t try to pass yourself of as reasonable and wise. Actually most people believed Cooper deserved to cop some form of punishment regardless whether they rated him as a player or not.

              • November 20th 2012 @ 11:27am
                kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                Did you think he should be punished?

                I was simply saying that holding both position exactly as I do, especially favouring him so much as a player, is unusual.

            • Columnist

              November 20th 2012 @ 11:56am
              Brett McKay said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:56am | ! Report

              KPM, there would actually be plenty of us holding that same position, even some Queenslanders..

              I have no idea why the football to boxing thing is ‘cool’. A cricket writing colleague from the broader media likes to tell players that when he retires from the media, he’s going to play first class cricket – the reactions vary from a knowing a nod to genuine confusion!!

            • November 21st 2012 @ 12:38am
              IronAwe said | November 21st 2012 @ 12:38am | ! Report

              “Most would not be able to hold both a positive and negative position like this at once: that’s objectivity!”

              Actually it’s cognitive dissonance.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 11:46am
        Nick said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:46am | ! Report

        Can you blame the ARU for trying to force him out of the game?

        The amount of crap that Cooper has produced over the years starting with allegedly stealing laptops, drunken fights with team-mates, and finally the ‘toxic environment’ comments. I for one can’t wait for Cooper to leave Rugby. He is a lot more trouble than he is worth.

        He is undoubtedly very talented, one of the most naturally gifted players of his generation probably, but he is an absolute idiot. His off field incidents and his lack of consistency on the field make him a player that the ARU are better off without at least for the next few years.

        I could see Quade playing in Europe for a few years and then possibly trying his hand in Australia again. It could be good for him just to get away from Australia and New Zealand for a bit.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm
          PM said | November 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

          My opinion is that the ARU are not trying to force him out of the game.

          By offering him an incentive based contract they are showing that they:
          – respect his value to the Red’s
          – are not going to pay someone a retainer who shows no respect publicly for their employer, coach, colleagues or the Wallaby guernsey
          – are forcing him to prove that he wants to represent Australia
          – are making him earn the right to represent Australia through performance

        • November 20th 2012 @ 1:05pm
          jameswm said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

          Yes I can blame them Nick. Why not work with him and try to turn things around?

        • November 20th 2012 @ 2:09pm
          Dan said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:09pm | ! Report


      • November 20th 2012 @ 2:13pm
        garth said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

        The reality is that Cooper cast himself aside.
        He could have signed the previous offer months before he shot his mouth off. He did not have to say that he would not play for the Wallabies again. He could have swallowed his ego/pride/overly-swollen-head and accepted the reduced offer.
        He chose to do the opposite.
        I am actually surprised the ARU didn’t withdraw the offer completely, after all, as I mentioned above, Quade Cooper did publically state that he would not play for the Wallaby team again.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 5:08pm
        bmwwilliams said | November 20th 2012 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

        Meh, good riddance, bad rubbish etc.

        Can’t imagiine Steve Larkham saying anything like that.

        Any bets on how long Quade can stay out of the courts?

    • November 20th 2012 @ 6:53am
      mark said | November 20th 2012 @ 6:53am | ! Report

      hear hear

      i compare quade cooper to danny cipriani. immensely talented but ultimately too stupid to be a succes at test level. he needed to keep that internal and he needed to adapt his game to test rugby when playing for the wallabies. jog on, on your bike, ta da!

    • November 20th 2012 @ 7:03am
      Harry said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:03am | ! Report

      Presumably this decision (to offer Cooper a match payments only contract) was taken by the new ARU Chairman and board, after JON had left – from memory he left on Oct 31?

      I do believe it is incumbent upon the ARU to publicly explain their rationale for making this decision. As a Queensland and Australian rugby supporter, I think its an awful shame that one of the most exciting and successful players of the last 20 years looks like being lost to the game, when he had the potential to achieve a lot more – and had a heck of a lot invested in him. In purely rugby terms, you can’t seriously argue that Cooper is not in the top 30 players in this country, therefore its something else, and I think the ARU owes an explanation to its fan base.

      Everybody connected with Australian rugby, including I believe Cooper, loses with this outcome. Agree that he has lost the plot talking about taking up boxing.

      And David disagree with your assertion that Beale and JOC play better when Cooper’s not around. The evidence of 2010 (particularly in South Africa and against France in 2010, and during the 3N in 2011) says otherwise.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 7:14am
        mania said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:14am | ! Report

        harry – so with all the resources that were thrown at cooper this is the best he could become? money down the toilet.
        i’d have to applaud ARU’s handling of this situation. they’ve said their part without getting into a petty public argument (which only cooper could’ve won). they’ve effectively put cooper in his place where he deserves. they’ve basically said that you only get paid if you play and perform.
        your comment “one of the most exciting and successful players of the last 20 years” if u mean he’s in the top 100 in the last 20 years then he may make the list, but lets not put him on too high a pedastal. in the last 20 years there have been players infinately better than cooper. larkham, georgeSmith, gregan, chrisLatham, digbyIoane etc are all much more entertaining creative players than QC with no where near the high error rate.
        qc will either have to leave aus rugby or harden the fk up and actually start earning his money

        • November 20th 2012 @ 8:41am
          Harry said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:41am | ! Report

          To be clear, I have a pretty high level of confidence in people at the ARU, now chaired led the highly successful businessman and former wallaby great Michael Hawker, with many other high calibre people. I’d be fairly confident they’ve done the right thing during this saga.
          So it should be a straightforward matter of explaining why they don’t think Cooper deserves anything more than what has been offered. Whatever one thinks of the way he’s carried on (and personally I think its terrible – he lost me when he started talking about the yellow jersey) there needs to be some explanation as to why the ARU don’t rate him in the top 30 players in this country, which I find baffling from a purely rugby perspective.

          • Roar Guru

            November 20th 2012 @ 9:14am
            Argyle said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:14am | ! Report


            was a huge fan of Michael Hawker as a player and enjoying his tenure thus far at the ARU. I am not sure if you recall his 55 odd meter drop kick against the All Blacks in 1982 at Auckland. It was a cracker! I have visions of Quade Cooper now being on the end of that boot. It ain’t going to be a soft landing!

        • November 20th 2012 @ 1:56pm
          WoobliesFan said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:56pm | ! Report


          Copper has a difficult personality, but is a remarkable prodigy. You take the good with the bad and you have to know how to manage the guy.

          QLD reds had it down pat…it wasn’t rocket science. It was 100% successful.

          Then you put Quade in the Wallabies with Deans, his coaching team and the ARU dinosaurs, and you get the complete opposite – a pile of crap. Totally mismanaged and made to play for a loser coach.

          Go figure.

          Why would Copper, a winner, want to hang around in an environment like this?

      • Roar Guru

        November 20th 2012 @ 7:26am
        Rabbitz said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:26am | ! Report

        In what alternate universe is the ARU required to explain *anything* to the mug punters?

        The ARU is a private company, the players are employees of a private company. The public has no right, whatsoever, to be privy to wages negotiations of the ARU and its employees.

        Since we are in this alternate universe, I guess I should ask these questions – “Harry, how did you last lot of pay negotiations go? Can you give us a detailed explanation of the content of your last performance review? Exactly how much did you earn last year and from what sources?

        • November 20th 2012 @ 8:25am
          jameswm said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:25am | ! Report

          Rabbitz the ARU’s main income is from ticket sales. People don’t normally go and watch workers sit at their desk all day.

          They owe it to the fans.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 8:52am
            Harry said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:52am | ! Report

            Precisely, plus the other big income is from the television rights, which is mainly revenue of subscription TV.

            Not sure what universe you are in Rabbitz, but in mine you treat your revenue generating customers with respect and keep them well informed and happy, otherwise they won’t be your customers for too long, or reduce their expenditure of your product, and you won’t have a business.

            • November 20th 2012 @ 9:21am
              El Capitan said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:21am | ! Report

              Yep or you’ll end up like the Tahs and get booed by your supporters and have p*ss poor crowd turnouts because you don’t interact with your fans which bring the money.

              Will be different for the Tahs next year, but you don’t want to go down that slipperly slope.

              Quade will be a big loss, but another player will come and fill his boots. Mind you if you were an employee and told people that your work place is “Toxic” would you expect a pay rise?

            • Roar Guru

              November 20th 2012 @ 10:47am
              Rabbitz said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:47am | ! Report

              So Harry, answer the questions I posed above.

              The players wages have exactly zero to do with those who go through the gate or watch on TV. I know it is fun to live vicariously through celebrities, I can’t get enough of Who magazine and wait with baited breath for the next installment of what the Kardashians are doing, man I have a great life…

              What they get paid is irrelevant and, seriously, if you believe that Cooper (or anyone else for that matter) should be able to publicly run down his employer and then expect a pay rise then I worry for the future of this world, I really do.

              • November 20th 2012 @ 11:23am
                Harry said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:23am | ! Report

                OK Rabbitz since you insist on personalising this … I am lucky enough to work for myself (an just as well as I’ve spent about half this morning on this forum, good thing no employer to answer for).
                The flipside is my income is entirely dependent by what my customers pay me – if I don’t provide a good service or product, I don’t get paid. Focuses the mind on being responsive, transparent and value-adding, and not treating the people who pay your wages (thats us paying the ARU) like mugs or taking for granted, or a revenue source that can just be milked.
                So in the case of the ARU and me – addup the FoxTel subscription, Wallaby gold membership, Queensland Reds membership and paying approx $1,000 pa for various test match and SR tickets (heck I even forked out to see a Tahs game this year, they blew it against the Bulls) I’d say I’m a fairly premium customer – and I reckon there are plenty like me in this category who have serious misgivings as to how the ARU have handled this matter. I don’t want to, or need to, be privy to indepth negotiations, but the silence and lack of explanation from the ARU IMO is poor. I’m not saying what they are doing is wrong, I do think we customers – who pay the ARU wages – have a right to better explanation and communication for much of what the ARU is doing. Clearly there are other matters at issue if Quade is not offered any topup contract by the ARU, to try to argue that the guy is not one of the 30 best rugby players in Australia is not credible.
                For what its worth I think Quade and his manager’s conduct has been deplorable and massively to his disadvantage, but that doesn’t mean the ARU’s has been perfect or beyond reproach.

              • November 20th 2012 @ 3:23pm
                Spencer said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

                Well said Harry. Rabbitz – please dont be so rude!

              • November 20th 2012 @ 3:48pm
                soapit` said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

                so if zero people go through the gates or watch them on tv you think their wages would be unaffected? sounds ridiculous but thats what you seem to be saying “wages have exactly zero to do with those who go through the gate or watch on TV”

              • November 20th 2012 @ 9:40pm
                AndyS said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:40pm | ! Report

                I’m inclined to agree Harry, but Rabbitz does have a bit of a point. Turn your analogy around – if you had an employee contact your customers and run the company down, what would it say to them if the following week he is still working for you and the representing the company? Nonetheless, if that was the decision you had made, would you feel the customers have the right to contact you and require an explanation as to what you were thinking?

                The criticism by Quade was one thing, but this is probably much more about his statement that he wouldn’t play. I would have thought a continued reliance on someone who has already flagged his intent to leave would have required more explanation to someone who employs people. They had to plan for life without him, so it is hardly surprising that he should no longer be regarded a key player. If he then takes that as an insult, that is probably at least part symptomatic of the problem. My guess is they want to see some commitment to the cause again before they go putting much faith in him.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 8:48am
          formeropenside said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:48am | ! Report

          well, the ARU will never see another dollar from me for the foreseeable future. I’ll spend my rugby budget only on the Reds.

          • Roar Rookie

            November 20th 2012 @ 9:36am
            Comrade Bear said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:36am | ! Report

            “Quade Cooper no loss to Australian rugby”

            – X2 so far.

            • November 21st 2012 @ 12:45am
              IronAwe said | November 21st 2012 @ 12:45am | ! Report

              There is no doubt that hundreds of youngsters in Australia today are playing purely because of Quade Cooper.
              Like him or hate him, he will be a big loss to the ARU.

              Anyway, he hasn’t gone anywhere, he’s on an incentive based contract. They gave the same thing to Sharpie and look how that turned out. I hope Quade turns this whole thing around and becomes the legend he is capable of.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 1:54pm
            Tatah said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:54pm | ! Report

            There’s a surprise FOS. Never saw that coming!

        • November 20th 2012 @ 9:04am
          Happy Hooker said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:04am | ! Report

          The ARUS is a public company, not a private company.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 9:08am
          bill said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:08am | ! Report

          are you insane? they have the right to pick australia’s representative rugby team – they are in no way private. their job is to pick the best 22 players in the country each time their team plays and not let political agenda’s or Sydney one eyedness ruin a sport. Think about how far backwards the game has gone since Eales and Kefu thrust rugby into the spot light in the early 2000’s – i’m a rah rah since i first pulled on a boot but couldn’t be bothered to stay up and watch on saturday night. Current approach is killing the code everywhere but QLD where it is at its strongest ever thanks to Quade – worst sports administration decision EVER! rant over.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 10:25am
            strupper2003 said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:25am | ! Report

            bill, u got u priorities mixed up mate

          • Roar Guru

            November 20th 2012 @ 10:54am
            Rabbitz said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:54am | ! Report

            They are a private company. The Wallabies are a brand and they do not represent Australia. They represent the Australian Rugby Union Ltd.
            ACN 002 898 544
            ABN 36 002 898 544
            An Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee.

            It isn’t an altuistic organisation it is a company, the players are employees and should be treated as such.

            • November 20th 2012 @ 1:37pm
              post said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

              Maybe I’m missing something, but you just said they’re a private company, then in your detailed company info specifically say they are a public company.

              • November 20th 2012 @ 10:13pm
                stillmatic1 said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:13pm | ! Report

                a public company is a company listed on the stock exchange. a private company is not, hence, the limited by guarantee covenant. simply means that they have board members that are accountable for the results of said company and are bound by a charter etc (ie: guarantors)

                rabbitz is right, the ARU are under no obligation to divulge any information as they are a private entity. although we would love to know the ins and outs of these decisions, we must not forget that they are infact, a private enterprise. the old supporters card getting played doesnt make sense as every business relies on customer support!! and yet we dont walk down to the local iga or hardware store and ask them why they dont seem to be paying their employees what we think they should get, or why their logo has changed.

                sport is a different beast i suppose, but i think the tidbits that we get are fairly generous from a private enterprise. however, it probably is a win win or fairly symbiotic relationship between us and the teams/players, so i hope they keep us in the loop to some extent. we love and support our teams more than we do the local iga/coles et al, so it is difficult.

                what price professionalism i suppose?

          • November 20th 2012 @ 2:18pm
            garth said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

            Quade said months ago that he would not play for the Wallaby team. The ARU still offered him a contract. Quade said no, again. How is that the ARU not picking him?

        • November 22nd 2012 @ 12:19pm
          peterlala said | November 22nd 2012 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

          Rabbitz, I follow rugby but I am neither a mug nor a punter. I expect a lot more from the ARU.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 8:43am
        Ben said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        I’m with you Harry, I thought we were trying to bring people into the game, not kick em out.

    • Roar Guru

      November 20th 2012 @ 7:11am
      Wally James said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:11am | ! Report

      If Cooper’s imminent departure is really true, it shows the difference between two men, him and Sharpie. Sharpie was offered an incentive only contract last year. He accepted it and now look where he is. Cooper considers the offer insulting and leaves.

      What Cooper doesn’t appear to see is the ARU has offered him what it thinks he is worth. The ARU does not think he will be selected much. If they did they would pay the top up unconditionally. Why would they want to pay him when they don’t think he will be selected? He can prove them wrong by pulling his head in and concentrating on playing. He has the talent.

      The ARU has not attempted to insult him. They just want to pay him when he plays for the Wallabies. Seems sensible to me. Especially if they are emphasising the adopted Swans “no ….heads policy”.

      It is a vast shame that someone with Quade’s talents doesn’t fit in. But ultimately what David Lord says is right. Rugby is better off without him. He is too devisive. Two days after a wonderful win against the Poms we are talking about Cooper again. Good riddance.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 8:16am
        Red Block said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:16am | ! Report

        Haven’t see Sharpie lead a Super rugby to a title or try things, like a cross field kick from behind his own goal line. Quade put bums on seats! In fact over 30 000 nearly every week. His magic ended up attracting bigger average home crowds than the Broncos.

        So, instead of capitalising on this , the ARU, which must have issues with what the QRU is doing to promote and grow rugby, decides to cut loose one of the most talented and entertaining players in its stocks. A player who helped drive record tv ratings and got people talking about rugby, sometimes for good, more often not.

        Many scribes have agreed that Quade’s ‘toxic’ comments were out of line but apparently, he is not the one thinks this about the Wallaby environment. Why was there not an investigation into the claims? What were they afraid of finding?

        Australian rugby will be immeasurably poorer if Quade packs up and leaves but who could blame him now.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 8:45am
          Mals said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:45am | ! Report

          Investigation into what exactly? I watched Quade on the Rugby Club & he couldn’t articulate what was toxic within the Wallabies environment. He talked about the lack of facilities available to the Wallabies. I guess he wanted the ARU to build their own high performance centre with training, medical facilities etc. What else??

          • November 20th 2012 @ 6:17pm
            Red Block said | November 20th 2012 @ 6:17pm | ! Report

            Well to start with… the lack of a game plan could be investigated. Closely followed by an inquiry into why so many Wallabies are injured including recovery and load management. Then, as the Reds have done with great success, a look into mentoring and personal development programs. Linked to this, some questions asked about man management within the Wallaby environment. Oh and we could also look into whether the facilities being used are getting the best from the playing unit.

            A cry of mercy yet?

            Lastly a look at Australia’s High Performance Unit and how it could be utilised to develop and maintain new and existing talent.

            The conspiracy theorists in Qld will be having a field day. First Higginbotham offered a higher ARU top up to sign with the Rebels, now Quade is shafted.

            I bet if the Reds lose 8 in a row, they won’t get 8 players in the Wallaby starting line up. Or was it 9.

            • November 20th 2012 @ 10:35pm
              Fin said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:35pm | ! Report

              You already are having a field day.

            • November 20th 2012 @ 11:13pm
              Cattledog said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:13pm | ! Report

              Right on all fronts, RB. Whether it was the correct thing or not to call the set up toxic, any decent board would have immediately commenced some form of internal investigation, and not keep it private, private company or not. Was this done? Absolutely not. The ARU are disgraceful, they need a complete overhall with a board comprising personnel with some guts.

              If you think Deans is the toast of the players, then you’re in la la land. Naturally, they’ll show a united front, but geez, it’s far from a happy environment.

        • Roar Guru

          November 20th 2012 @ 8:55am
          Wally James said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:55am | ! Report

          See what I mean? Divisive (spelled correctly this time).

          There were another 21 players in each team that attracted 30,000. It wasn’t just Cooper who put posteriors in grandstands. Sure he helped a lot but it is a team game.

          He didn’t drive up tv ratings in the RWC 2015, when he played like a rabbit in spolights with the weight of his home country on his shoulders – all brought upon himself with yet other ignorant tweets.

          There may well be other players who think the Wallaby environment is toxic. But Quade was the only one silly enough to say it. Then, naivley, expected no retaliation from the game which feeds him. Perhaps the toxicity will leave when Cooper does.

          The fact of the matter is, if you act like a goose you will be cooked like one. Off field behaviour is just as important as onfield talent. That is the clear messasge from the ARU. I blame Quade and him alone for his predicament. I would prefer his talent in the game but not his introspective childish and immature behaviour.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 1:47pm
            goldenbull said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

            I can assure you with cooper gone the reds wont get close to 15,000 a game
            massive loss for a code that needs to generate interest!

      • November 20th 2012 @ 10:23am
        harryonthecoast said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:23am | ! Report

        Wally…I just love that Swans’ policy!!!

        • Roar Guru

          November 20th 2012 @ 10:59am
          Wally James said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:59am | ! Report

          Harry, it makes a lot of sense to me. It seems to work.

          It might also explain why a lot of our politicians have never played for the Swans!

      • November 20th 2012 @ 2:21pm
        garth said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

        Agree, it seems like the ARU has done everything it can to keep Cooper in rugby. It’s a pity that his agent wants to be a boxing promoter instead.

    • November 20th 2012 @ 7:12am
      Kippa said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:12am | ! Report

      Fact the wooblies are not scoring tries. Look at last year and year before with QC at 10 tries were a plenty. Sorry I have to disagree with you, while quade has no idea how to keep his mouth shut and acts as a spoilt brat, maybe horan should have had another whisper in his ear.

      • Columnist

        November 20th 2012 @ 9:20am
        Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:20am | ! Report

        I have to agree with you Kippa. The Wallabies and Australian Rugby needs exciting players who put points on the board.
        We can see that Beale is an adequate number 10, but more like a rugby league number 6 in that position. He isn’t creative FOR people he is creative by himself mostly.

        Lordie says this line:
        “It’s no secret both Beale and O’Connor, when he eventually gets back on the paddock, both play better when Cooper is not around.”

        After reading that I’m not sure he watches the same games I do.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 10:03am
          Rhino said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:03am | ! Report

          I agree with Kippa and Elisha and David Lord has given us one of his traditional clangers. Cooper on the field makes O’Connor and Beale in particular better players. Anyone who thinks Beale is a superior flyhalf to Cooper seriously hasn’t watched the last four games with a critical eye – love him at fullback but not directing the game.

          Cooper has been a major muppet with those comments to the media and in his heart of hearts I think he knows this. But surely there’s enough mature people in the ARU to work out a solution and get on with things. Cooper is a major reason why the Reds attract crowds and why so many kids are there. Players like him don’t come along too often – let’s not lose him to boxing or League or whatever over this stupid issue. We’ll need him at next World Cup – beating that very suburban Pom team on the weekend is one thing but winning a World Cup is another thing altogether.

          • Roar Guru

            November 20th 2012 @ 3:35pm
            El Gamba said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

            I agree.

            ARU has cut off their nose to spite their face.

            The QRU are also noseless however didn’t seem to have a say in the matter.

            How much will 10,000 Reds memberships affect the game? Considerably.

    • November 20th 2012 @ 7:13am
      BennO said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:13am | ! Report

      The rewriting of history that has been going on since cooper tweeted and spoke on Fox is ridiculous. This is just one more example.

      He was basically first picked for the wallabies all 2010 (and 2009 from memory). He’s got the best record against the ABs of any other possible wallaby 10. Injury prone? He played every test in 2010 and from memory he only missed a few early tests in 2011 (including the loss to Samoa) when he was rested.

      The establishment doesn’t like him because he has a poor attitude. Fair enough. But stop rewriting history to suggest he was a negative on the team. The team had cohesion, they won the Tri-Nations for crying out loud, until Deans forced a conservative game plan at the RWC.

      Absolutely he has a poor attitude but this is a big loss for Queensland and Australian rugby. Just watch the membership numbers of the QRU decline and the TV ratings of the Wallabies do the same.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 7:18am
        mania said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:18am | ! Report

        bennO = QC isnt an anti-AB’s talisman. his mere prescence on the field isnt a gameplan against the AB’s. i really dont see how cooper makes that much of a difference when on the field vs the AB’s. in fact his last 2 outtings have been pretty abysmal. eden park he had some high points but made more errors than positive contributions. the time before that was the WC semi’s where he imploded and was totally owned.
        the sooner aus get over him and start looking at the rookie grades for a replacement the better.

      • Roar Guru

        November 20th 2012 @ 7:27am
        stillmissit said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:27am | ! Report

        BennO – You can’t ask for a non rewrite of history then have a go your self. QC was useless at the RWC where he could have proven to the world what an amazing talent he is. Unfortunately he was worked out and did not have time or the inclination to re-invent himself. Still he would have been a great asset to Qld Reds and that is unfortunate BUT do you really want a D’Head like him? It would have only been a matter of time before QLD and Ewan were ‘toxic’.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 7:38am
          BennO said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:38am | ! Report

          I never said he wasn’t rubbish at the RWC. He clearly was. He acted like a fool in the lead up and paid the price. But in addition to that, from what I could see the game plan he was given to implement then and in the early tests this year provided no opportunity for showcase any talent but his kicking. So that doesn’t change my argument.

          And considering Beale and O’Connor are almost as big a d’heads (food fights with Cooper, assault charge, hungover on team announcement morning etc), yes I’d be happy to keep him providing he earned back the trust of his teammates next year.

          • November 20th 2012 @ 1:52pm
            goldenbull said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:52pm | ! Report

            now imagine taps in at 12 with cooper at 10 in the RWC, do you think Cooper might not have tried to force himself on the game so much or was it that he had Mcabe outside him and tried to take it upon himself to make things happen.?
            This will be a massive loss and I will say now I wont be watching as much rugby as i did before, I think you will see a lot of people becoming disinterested in rugby now. In QLD he had people who never watched before, actually going to games. This will stop…..Shame

            • Roar Guru

              November 20th 2012 @ 2:38pm
              stillmissit said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

              True Golden Balls but if you won’t watch as much rugby then you may not belong here. Most of the guys here have been through this sort of stuff many times. Frustration with an occasional moment of brightness is the norm. since late 90’s/early 00’s. A bit like what the Reds gave us over a couple of seasons but I am predicting that either with QC or without him it won’t be so flash at the Reds this year.

        • November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm
          WoobliesFan said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm | ! Report


          Spare us…..

          He was useless because he was made to player a loser’s game.

          In contrast, Deans was uttrely useless – totally capitulated and crumbled under a simple Irish game plan….and we still hate him for that effort. Horrible, horrible coach.

      • November 20th 2012 @ 11:05pm
        Machiavelli said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:05pm | ! Report

        Actually he is 33% vs 44% for Lynagh and 50% for Larkham against the ABs. You can read a comparison of him vs other Wallaby 5/8s here —- http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/australia-rugby/breathtaking-with-his-brilliance-but-8230-20121120-29n39.html

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