100 greatest All Blacks ever: 20 to 11

By abnutta / Roar Guru

Part nine of our ten part series looking at the greatest All Blacks of all time, ranked in order from 100 to 1…

20. Billy Wallace (1903-1908 – 51 matches)
An early colossus of All Black rugby. He was in the side which played the first Test against Australia in 1903 and two years later he was a leading performer for the 1905-06 Originals. Wallace clearly was a gifted footballer capable of playing anywhere in the backline, which, except for halfback, he did.

But it is the statistics of Wallace’s career which have made him such an imposing figure. A goalkicker and because of his exceptional pace a prolific try scorer, Wallace was the first New Zealand rugby player to amass scoring records, and many of his records stood for decades. He scored 246 points for the Originals – a touring record which still stands and seems likely to last forever.

19. Sid Going (1967-1977 – 86 matches)
Sid Going ranks among the best halfbacks ever. Strong and stocky, he was a superb runner close to his forwards, with a flair for the unorthodox. Though sometimes criticised for the quality of his passing and backing himself over teammates, Going was nevertheless a gamebreaker supreme.

Rated by some as the equal of New Zealand’s greatest running half-back Jimmy Mill, he proved himself to be a match-winning individualist and at the same time a world class pivot capable of playing the type of game to suit the occasion.Remembered for gazelle-like leaps to take high kicks, his uncanny knack of scoring shock tries, his cavalier treatment of even the burliest of forwards and his constant quick-thinking and action.

18. Sean Fitzpatrick (1986-1997 – 128 matches)
By the time of his enforced retirement, Sean Fitzpatrick had established himself as one of the most significant All Blacks of all time. As a player Fitzpatrick, with his durability, competitiveness and his role in making the hooker a dynamic cross between a tight and loose forward, achieved greatness.

But he was also an inspiring leader and of the 128 matches he played for the All Blacks, 62 had been as captain from 1992. A World Cup winner in 1987, perhaps his finest achievements as a captain came in the 1996 season with a magnificent 43-6 hammering of the Wallabies at Athletic Park and a few weeks later a series win over the Springboks on South African soil.

17. Mark Nicholls (1921-1930 – 51 matches)
One of the most influential players of the 1920s (a golden era of All Black rugby), and a champion five-eighth and goalkicker. He is widely regarded as one of New Zealand’s best first five-eighths and has been chosen in many a mythical selection of the “best ever.” But Nicholls never played much of his major rugby as a first five, being more regularly placed at second five or even at centre.

With the team soon to be immortalised as the Invincibles, Nicholls became a backline mainstay and has been almost unanimously acclaimed as one of the most important players in what was a star studded team. Nicholls was the backline general, the master tactician, and the leading scorer. A British critic wrote of him on the Invincibles tour that he had shown “a conception of the New Zealand game that amounted to genius.”

16. Kel Tremain (1959-1968 – 86 matches)
Both as a player and then as an administrator, Kel Tremain made a towering contribution to New Zealand rugby. Though a tight-loose type of a backrow forward, he had an extraordinary ability to score tries. In 268 first-class matches he scored 136 tries, which was the record for a forward until passed by Zinzan Brooke in the 1990s. Tremain was part of the wonderful All Black pack which eclipsed the Springboks and Lions in 1965-66 and a leading contributor to the triumphant tours of Britain and France in 1963-64 and 1967.

For much of the 1960s, with Tremain as captain, Hawke’s Bay were consistently among New Zealand’s leading provincial sides. In 1966-69 there was a lengthy Ranfurly Shield reign. His place in New Zealand rugby has been recognised with the annual award for the outstanding player of the season named in his honour.

15. Kevin Skinner (1949-1956 – 63 matches)
Skinnner was the New Zealand heavyweight boxing champion in 1947. A skilled lineout No.2, expert rush stopper, strong scrummager and extremely mobile, he retired after the 1953-54 tour of the UK as one of the very best props New Zealand has produced.

He had equalled Maurice Brownlie’s all time record for All Black matches at 61. But in 1956 was brought out of retirement to “sort out” the touring Springbok front row in the final two tests of the series, though reports of the amount of rough play he was involved in have been greatly exaggerated.

14. Tiny White (1949-1956 – 55 matches)
One of the greatest All Black forwards of the 1950s and, while he may have been eclipsed a decade or so later by one of his test succesors, Sir Colin Meads, he ranks still as one of the best of all New Zealand locks. By modern standards he was not exceptionally huge, but he gave an illusion of an imposing physique for he had a craggy, wiry build derived from a considerable natural strength and developed from working the land as a Poverty Bay farmer.

Sir Terry McLean and all other critics of the time were unanimous that White was one of the greatest forwards in New Zealand rugby history. “… He played with matchless vigour, especially in the lineout,” wrote McLean, adding that, apart from a fault of trying too much on his own in the loose, he was “a wonderful player.”

13. Ron Jarden (1951-1956 – 37 matches)
The champion left wing was an automatic selection from 1951 to 1956. With his extraordinary pace and intelligence, Jarden was a lethal attacker and with considerable skills honed from his devotion to training and concentration on the fundamentals.

Jarden was strongly built, he had natural pace and to his speed he added a mastery of basic skills. He was a highly accurate thrower of the ball to lineouts and created many tries with his precise centreing kick. Any doubts as to Jarden’s right to be rated among the greats of All Black rugby are removed by the remarkable statistics of his career.

Even though he played in an era where conservative tactical approaches did not encourage sparkling back play, Jarden in 134 first-class matches scored 145 tries including 35 in 37 All Black matches. In the 1955 domestic season he scored 30 tries, still the record for a New Zealand first-class season. He retired from rugby aged just 26. In 1951 he won the Supreme Halberg Award, one of just three individual All Blacks to be so honoured.

12. Michael Jones (1987-1998 – 74 matches)
Few players have exuded so much charisma and mystique as Michael Jones, a supremely gifted athlete was almost invariably one of the first names written down in any All Black team sheet. A serious knee injury in 1989 effectively split Jones’ international career into two distinct parts. In his first period Jones played mainly as an openside flanker, and as such he helped redefine the position.

He had pace, athleticism, ball skills and a punishing tackle which quickly won him acclaim as one of the most gifted rugby players of all time. And despite being not much more than 1.85m he was able to out-jump taller forwards in the lineout. In the mid 1990s Jones made the switch to the more conservative, less flamboyant but more physical demands of becoming a blindside flanker.

With his strength, commitment and fierce close quarter tackling he was especially effective. He won many plaudits for his on-field deeds, even being acclaimed by some judges as the greatest rugby player of all time. That may have been arguable, but he certainly would be a candidate of any dream All Black XV.

11. Jimmy Hunter (1905-1908 – 36 matches)
Jimmy Hunter will always be a name that will live forever in New Zealand rugby. A gifted midfield back, Hunter had deceptive pace and agility. Described by a contemporary critic EDH Sewell as “one of the most sinuous runners” he had seen, Hunter was one of the stars of the 1905-06 Originals on their tour of Britain.

In 24 games in Britain for the All Blacks he scored 44 tries, which is a record that will never be defeated. Hunter was only 18 when he entered the Taranaki provincial team in 1898 as a halfback and at just 1.68m he was more the physique for this position.

But after playing on the wing and at fullback he soon found a niche in the midfield where he was an outstanding second five-eighth. He was captain of the All Blacks on a tour of Australia in 1907 and captain in the second Test, against the touring Lions in 1908. His record 48 All Black tries stood for the better part of 70 years.

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2012-11-27T15:29:23+00:00

abnutta

Roar Guru


Certainly should Frank, The number 1 backline of that tour was considered by Sir Terry McLean to be the finest ever put on the field by the All Blacks, and he died in 2004. Wallace at Fullback, George Smith and Duncan McGregor on the wings, Bob Deans (Robbie deans' great-uncle) and Jimmy Hunter in the midfield, Billy Stead and Fred Roberts as the halves combo. The Originals tour ran from 16 September 1905 until 13 February 1906. There were 35 matches played in the UK, France and USA. 34 were won with a controversial 3-0 defeat to Wales the only blemish. 243 tries were scored in 35 matches, an average of almost 7 tries per match. The total points scored was 976 to just 59 conceded. Points scored in todays value would be 1461, an average of almost 42 points per match. Of the 243 tries scored, 206 were by the backs. Only 4 penalty goals, 2 dropped goals and 1 goal from a mark were recorded for the entire tour. Tries accounted for 74.69% of all the points scored, conversions for 22.95% with penalties, dgs and marks making up the remaining 2.36% As far as I'm aware, Bill Wallace's 246 points and Jimmy Hunters 44 tries in only 24 matches are records for a player from any country touring the Northern Hemisphere - both records still stand over a century later.

2012-11-25T18:32:07+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

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15. Kevin Skinner (1949-1956 – 63 matches) Boo! Hiss! Gnarl! *Other miscellaneous noises* Kevin Skinner punches his way into the top 15! It seems I need to learn a bit about the All Black Originals as well. Some of these players I haven't heard of.

2012-11-24T18:23:11+00:00

richard

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Fair enough Bruce, on Tremain. My old man would agree with you, he was from Taradale, and grew up in the 1960's during the Hawkes Bay shield era, and still rates Tremain as the best six he's ever seen.Still, it must have been very disheartening to face a team that could pick these two for the ab's.

2012-11-24T14:10:56+00:00

Ra

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thanks for the two websites shah, certainly a lot of recogniseable names on those lists. Rating them in order is as you say subjective. Grizz Wylie was right up there with Kirky, Bill Osbourne right up there with Ian McRae, Tane Norton probably the best rake in the past 40 years and the mongrels of the pack, John Ashworth and Billy Bush, hard men Frank Oliver and Cowboy Shaw never got a look in, light weight No8 Murray Mexted, Gary Knight was unbeaten in the world as a tight head prop in the 1980s, even a flour bomb dropped from a low flying plane trying to disrupt the match against South Africa and hit him on the side of the head and shoulder area never even stirred him. So there are a lot of very good players not even given a hint of a mention. So yeah, a nice list of talent is all I will say

2012-11-24T08:58:54+00:00

deanB

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Super Selfish Sid ahead of Loveridge? Peaked early and was kept on too long. Tough call.

2012-11-24T04:42:05+00:00

Bruce Rankin

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Hi abnutta, continuing great job.... concur with all those in 20-11..... to me the more important factor is their actual inclusion as part of the "Greatest Ever" than the rankings themselves, where the merits of one versus another are endless - albeit makes for great discussion! Interesting in this 20-11 list here though are Jimmy Hunter who jumps up from 32 to 11 and Ron Jarden from 44 to 13, as I suspect more likely that newer players who come in are likely to displace older ones to a lower level or omission, to enable the 100 limit. Says a lot for these 2 players. Re Tremain v Kirkpatrick - I saw them both play in their Canterbury and All Black days from 1959 thru 1977. (Saw the 2 tries by Tremain aged 21 for Canty v Lions win by 20-14 in 1959 that got him into AB's.) I've always rated Tremain higher as given the ball within 10 yards of the line he was unstoppable from scoring. He scored in 86 games 38 tries for the AB's and 136 1st class tries, versus for Kirkpatrick in 113 AB games 50 tries/115 1st class tries. Not much in it! Am wondering what has happened to the 60 - 21 lists as I haven't seen them. Have I missed sumfink?

2012-11-24T03:57:35+00:00

Eddie

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Great and interesting reading and positive roaring until the 'Nasser Is The Devil' troll. Cheers Colvin.

2012-11-24T03:57:34+00:00

Eddie

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Great and interesting reading and positive roaring until the 'Nasser Is The Devil' troll. Cheers Colvin.

2012-11-24T03:44:21+00:00

Colvin

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I think Nasser has proposed SBW for number 1.

2012-11-24T00:19:26+00:00

Luke

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Great read so far. I'm expecting carter at 2 and McCaw at 1, it's a no brainer as noone comes close to what they have achieved and debatable skill wise either.

2012-11-24T00:16:22+00:00

Shahsan

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I didn't quite agree with the Tribute ranking either. I guess I was thinking of what I saw plus the facts, and of lists such as this one by the NZ Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/greatest-all-blacks/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503057&objectid=10743940 and this one by NZ rugby world http://jimungo.com/blogs/new_zealand_rugby_world/archive/2009/09/10/the-50-greatest-all-blacks.aspx and others i have seen around the place over the years. And, sure, it's all subjective, but Jones was a pretty special player and athlete, and ticked all the boxes. He had all the achievements (every title there was to be won) and hardly any minuses. Even the likes of McCaw, Fitzy and Carter were associated with a few disasters in their time. There were hardly any with MJ, except perhaps that he wasn't a prolific points getter, wasn't available for Sunday matches and wasn't an obvious leader of men in the vocal sense. He wasn't associated with any acts of skullduggery, or injuring of opponents, or known as a cheat or for gamesmanship. And he did revolutionise the style of play for his position. No 7s before him were not quite like him. And he did came back from major injury to prove himself in a different position. So I'm really looking forward to the names of the 10 men who are alledgedly more meritorious in every respect as an All Black.

2012-11-23T23:29:08+00:00

harryonthecoast

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Yes, Skinner was great. When he "Came back" he only threw two punches.....and that sorted out the Boks' front row.

2012-11-23T21:41:46+00:00

peterlala

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Thumbs up, abnutta.

2012-11-23T20:53:18+00:00

Ra

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I grew up with some of those pre WWII names printed in the back of my mind. My dad and uncles leaning on a fence or sitting around a fire, down at the shearing shed or wherever comparing this player and that player, Nicholls this, Brownlee brothers that, JB Smith, how Jimmy Hunter would make Bryan Williams look like a horse n cart on the fly etc etc. Hard for us to compare really. The big old leather ball would feel like a brick in the wet and the bog. We talk about ball handling skills these days. Dad and the uncles talked about "keeping the ball at the toe" and who was the best at "dribbling". Hmmm mention Fitzpatrick as an All Black great, but he couldn't dribble a ball like Cyril Brownlee. Tough job trying to pick the top 100 of anything like this abnutta. If the old man was still here, he would tell you, you got it wrong, but I guess, there's enough around now a days who've taken over that job, but how many of them grew up with the Brownlee boys though eh, kids now a days know nothing, the old man would be saying....

2012-11-23T20:15:02+00:00

abnutta

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Other than 2 players from the 2001-12 era, the top 20 and their ranking order is pretty much the same as the 2001 Tribute list. Considering that Michael Jones was ranked 11th in 2001, one might say he's actually improved a place.

2012-11-23T20:13:53+00:00

abnutta

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2012-11-23T20:06:31+00:00

Shahsan

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Disappointed that Michael jones is not in the top 10. Seems like a big fall for someone who not too long ago was in the top five of most lists. have that many players appeared in the past decade to push him down? has his poor record as coach counted against him? Very strange. Many people still can't decide who is better between him and mccaw, but I suppose contemporary players tend always to have big advantage.

2012-11-23T19:33:10+00:00

richard

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Fitzpatrick, as our greatest hooker, could maybe have been in the top ten, he's a bit too low for me here. I personally believe fitzy to be the greatest hooker in the game. Interesting that Kel Tremain comes in at 16, as abnutta has confirmed to me in another post, that means my fav Ian Kirkpatrick will make the top ten, which of course I wholehearedly agree with. An interesting aside, during the 1967 UK tour by the ab's, kirky replaced Tremain in one of the tests, and Tremain made the point that Kirkpatrick would be a better player than himself (true story).A hell of a ringing endorsement from an ab legend like Tremain. Am looking forward to the final ten, I believe I could name about half -( some are obvious).

2012-11-23T17:42:01+00:00

Johnno

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abnutta I want to say a big thankyou mate. This is one of the best seriesI have ever read on the roar. I am finding out about so much rugby history from the greatest rugby nation in he World. All these great AB'S players who built the foundations of the AB team today. This for any rugby fan is sensational stuff to read about some of these players from NZ. Some great stories in there too men like Kevin Skinner, Tiny White, Marc Nicholls, just to name a few here. Thank you abnutta this has been really seriously riveting reading very happy to read this list thank you once again abnutta.

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