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    England Vs. New Zealand

    2012 New Zealand Tour of Europe, 2 December, 2012

    Twickenham, London
    England 38 defeated New Zealand 21
    England New Zealand
    38 FINAL SCORE 21
    3 TRIES 3
    6/6 PENALTY GOALS 0/2
    0/0 DROP GOAL 0/0
    Top scorers:
    • England - Farrell
    • O 20pts (1C 6G)
    Important moments:
    • England took the lead at the 27 min. mark 1st half
    • Cruden, A (NZL) conversion at the 78 min. mark 2nd half
    Referee: G Clancy
    Touch judges: N Owens & L vd Merwe

    The All Blacks have arrived on England’s pebbly shores geared to take on the Red Rose in the heart of rugby union, Twickenham. Join us on The Roar for scores, comments and live updates from 1.30am AEDT.

    The scene is set for the All Blacks to finish their year unbeaten as they attempt to score their 100th try against the inventers of the game, and they will be looking to cap their stellar season off in style with a massive win and an impressive display.

    Throughout the year their performance has ebbed; sometimes dazzling, sometimes not. Yet despite the ups and downs they’ve generally unloaded misery on their opponents.

    Aside from the 22-19 win over Ireland in Christchurch and the 18-all draw against the Wallabies, the All Blacks have not really been troubled, with an average tally of 34 points and four tries per game.

    Going into this game – and since their first encounter in 1905, which England lost 15-0 – the average historical score between these two great nations is 24-12 to the All Blacks, shortening to 19-12 at Twickenham.

    The English will have earmarked this game as the big one for their European test window, in front of a packed house they will be looking to prove themselves against one of the best performing teams in sporting history.

    For the New Zealanders this is an important game; unbeaten records aside there is a common desire by southern nations to shine on the world’s biggest stage, Twickenham.

    Dan Carter is revered up here, but the infamously caustic English press is only one average game away from dismantling a man’s sheen.

    So this is the final rumble before the All Black’s season wraps up and McCaw takes a six-month sabbatical into the centre of the earth, from whence he is not expected to return calls.

    Of course in preparation for this blockbusting game the locals will not be studying the statistics as its ugly reading.

    IRB 2012 World Player of the Year nominees Dan Carter and Richie McCaw have never lost to England.

    While this is not an uncommon thread; McCaw has only lost eight games while leading the All Blacks, what sings as ominous as a kookaburra on a humid day is the fact that Conrad Smith is also starting.

    This unsung hero will be hoping to improve on his win percentage, which at an absurd 90% is the greatest win percentage in the history of union.

    Of course it’s not all tickles and giggles in the AB’s camp; there’s been a fair amount of mud being slung over Andrew Hore’s neuron-fireworks during last week’s game against Wales, during which he sent Bradley Davies to sleep hours before the man’s bedtime.

    In the fallout from the punch and subsequent five match ban, Steve Hansen has no doubt spent the week being coached by the All Blacks’ PR department, as the management’s defensive patterns focused on their image rather than the English midfield.

    Hansen’s initial reaction was defensive when asked after the game about the imminent backlash from Hore’s punch.

    “I’m resigned to the fact he is probably going to get cited, it happens every time we come up here. I think they think we’re thugs or something, but we don’t play any differently to anyone else,” Hansen said.

    Fast-forward a few days and Hansen performed a fairly neat turnpike by remarking:

    “You don’t want to see that in the game. Andrew was embarrassed, we were embarrassed.

    “Our group has a zero-tolerance approach to foul play; we’re not a dirty side.”

    Adding to the off-field drama, all but two players from the squad have been battling a stomach virus this week, although none will miss the game as a result.

    Hansen and his staff are fielding what’s likely to be regarded his full-strength team, with the exception perhaps of Brodie Retallick in place of Luke Romano in the second row, and Keven Mealamu replacing Hore at hooker as the latter takes a month’s holiday to reflect on his actions.

    The capricious Israel Dagg is at fullback, Carter returns to fly half, and first choice wingers Julian Savea and Cory Jane are flanking the back line.

    Kieran Read takes his place in the starting line-up, probably wondering what he has to do to be nominated for World Player of the Year. He’s partnered by Richie McCaw and Liam Messam at the back of the scrum.

    In the hosts’ camp, the English are buzzing about hoping to create some form of history for their side.

    After a pair of tight losses to South Africa and Australia, last year’s Six Nations runners-up will be keen to make their countrymen proud.

    English halfback Ben Youngs was quoted on the atmosphere in the squad, “What a huge opportunity to play the world champions at home. That is how we see it. There is no fear; there is no going into our shells.

    “I have no doubt that we have a big performance in us. There have been glimpses of it and if we get it right for 80 minutes we can be a test for any team.”

    The English starting team includes winger Chris Ashton, powerhouse centre Manu Tuilagi, halfback Ben Youngs, and Chris Robshaw who captains at openside flanker.

    Dan Cole is partnered by Alex Corbisiero in the front row in what will be an interesting contest in the scrums.

    The most notable selection for the English is IRB 2012 World Player of the Year nominee, Owen Farrell, who takes reigns at fly half in the space of injured Toby Flood.

    His recent nomination as one of the four best players in the world has ruffled a few feathers; he’s not only second choice to Toby Flood in the national side, he’s second choice to Charlie Hodgson at club Saracens.

    “They’re a world-class team unbeaten in 20 matches but that’s a challenge you have to look forward to. There’s no point being scared of it. Anything can happen on the day,” Farrell said of the upcoming test.

    Of course it will be interesting to see the England fly-half and coach’s son launch against the best fly-half going around.

    Carter has a habit of bringing out his best against a young upstart, and no doubt Farrell will be called out.

    Watch this space.

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    • 7:54am
      Team Taniwha said | 7:54am | ! Report

      An abject performance from the ABs, and like few have commented that defense was worryingly bad. They conceded 9 tries I tally on tour, their standards really have fallen off. That is not something that can dismissed as tiredness or sickness, something that needs to be looked at hard and long!

      I found it hard to believe Tulangi was not man of the match. He was immense.

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    • 7:38am
      Mal said | 7:38am | ! Report

      Well done to England we finally had a team worthy of beating us and yes we expect to win all the games but hey we are human and have been the worlds yard stick for rugby for many years and more to come.
      As for the Island stealing talent from the Abs mate slap your self and wake up generations of island players have only evolved over the years due to exposure to such high level and intensity levels of first class rugby something was eventually rub of eh.
      If you are not happy with that we should send all your so called talent back to the island eh.

    • Roar Guru

      Jiggles said | 6:54am | ! Report

      Congrats to Ben S and Colin N. Famous win! enjoy it!

      • 10:53am
        Colin N said | 10:53am | ! Report

        Cheers. Still in shock to be honest!

        There’s plenty to work and build on, though, but at least it shows we have the pack to dominate the best, even if a performance like this doesn’t appear for another couple of years!

      • 5:39am
        Ben.S said | 5:39am | ! Report

        Cheers, mate. What a game.

    • 4:19am
      Southlandaye said | 4:19am | ! Report

      Damn mate, that is a long list of excuses, send it to Santa… lol. Nothing better than a Christmas humbling, aye bro.

    • 4:16am
      Southlandaye said | 4:16am | ! Report

      Unfortunately you guys played England and not France.

    • 4:15am
      Louis said | 4:15am | ! Report

      scoreboard mate haha. The Blackness got spanked.

    • 4:13am
      ohtani's jacket said | 4:13am | ! Report

      I said this was the worst loss since South Africa in 2004 but I forgot the two losses in South Africa in 2009. Sorry Boks fans.

    • 4:08am
      Southlandaye said | 4:08am | ! Report

      Haven’t seen that look in Carter’s eyes since Freddie Michalak had his way with the All Blacks in 07 world cup lol. Sort of on the verge of tears, completely devastated. Funny.

      • 4:15am
        Trev said | 4:15am | ! Report

        Go and celebrate by having a warm beer and complaining about the weather

        • 4:17am
          Southlandaye said | 4:17am | ! Report

          Oh nah bro, I’m not English aye, read my name. I’m Tongan but I dislike the All Blacks because they steal the islands talent. So… find another way to insult me? Oh yeah and I’m not on the dole either, I work harder than most with 16 hours shifts sometimes, so don’t cry about it.

          • 4:22am
            stillmatic1 said | 4:22am | ! Report

            got any proof of that “stealing”. do you live in tonga?

            • 4:24am
              Southlandaye said | 4:24am | ! Report

              Say hi to Kevin Mealamu for me. *smiles while fanning a fart into your face*

              • 5:24am
                stillmatic1 said | 5:24am | ! Report

                you mean the same mealamu born in nz or some figment of your imagination?

          • 4:24am
            Trev said | 4:24am | ! Report

            And tuialigi of course hasn’t been stolen from the islands has he. He popped over to the uk for the weather, food and the great attitude the locals have towards immigrants.

            • 5:50am
              Hood83 said | 5:50am | ! Report

              Err, our record on immigration is one to be damn proud of. Weather and food? If you’re scared of rain, fine, not for you. But i didn’t know you guys were swimming in Michelin stars.

              You’re the best team in the world by a country mile. But I thought we were meant to be the whingers!

            • 6:35am
              Dick Dastardly said | 6:35am | ! Report

              Trev. Shut the up son. You’re making yourself look more and more stupid the more you write.

          • 4:27am
            Trev said | 4:27am | ! Report

            And of course the poms have an amazing history of treating the indigenous people’s of the pacific so well

        • 6:14am
          Football United said | 6:14am | ! Report

          He wouldn’t need to, he can already taste the bitter in your posts.

    • 4:07am
      Frank O'Keeffe said | 4:07am | ! Report

      The one time I don’t have AustStar, so I can only watch the Wallabies on channel 10, and New Zealand get spanked! The Wallabies produce one of the worst Tests of the year, and I miss England winning what’s like only their 7th or so win against New Zealand.

      I know quite a few people who’d be happy with this win.

      I’m glad. They’re a very good side, but really the allround quality of rugby has been poor this year from all countries.

      • 4:08am
        Frank O'Keeffe said | 4:08am | ! Report

        By the way, when I saw this thread and I saw 38-21, I thought NZ were 38, and I couldn’t figure out why there wasn’t mentioned about their try scorers.

    • 4:05am
      Thegreyghost said | 4:05am | ! Report

      Yep. Clancy howler after howler. Very quick to ping the NZ scrum, and bails England out time and time again whilst their scrum is being smashed. Allowing England waaaay off side in defence and to enter the ruck at any angle, writhe in the ground off their feet and play the ball in the ground. Appalling stuff. A new world record for a homer referee. By then Clancy is notorious for it.

      At the nd of the day 3 tried each… But suspiciously Clancy doesn’t ask the tmo on the last try, asks the tmo for a reason not to award the abs first, an yet doesn’t check the apparently held up England 3rd.

      A phenomenal number of penalties awarded to England who were apparently faultless at the ruck for 75 minutes…reminds me of clancey’s handling of that springbok NZ game. Perhaps he has an agenda?

      • 5:45am
        Hood83 said | 5:45am | ! Report

        Pretty comprehensive victory eh GreyGhost. Hope you enjoyed the match mate. No need for sour grapes eh?

        Good on everyone else who have demonstrated grace in losing. I suppose we can go back to being battered by you for the next decade now, as usual.

      • Roar Rookie

        Neuen said | 5:49am | ! Report

        You have a series of “experiments”, also known as the tackle situation where the outcome of each must be known too. The entire match is an observed experiment, and unwittingly, people mix emotion with interpretation and they will come up with accusations of bias because their observation will always fit their model. This is the danger of looking for proof of what you already believe, because you will always succeed at finding it

    • 4:03am
      Johnno said | 4:03am | ! Report

      Richard Kahui will be a big addition next year. He is such a class player the AB’S have missed him this year. He will slot into centres next year at O/C and really clean it up or even test him at no 12 he has played there a lot. A bug man 6’3 like SBW, such quality player.One of Henry’s favourites . What really struck me was Steve Hanson when pushed under the pumped didn’t have a lot of answers tonight . This loss will real sting Hansen’s confidence, this is a big loss for the AB’S, in a big venue, where the World cup final will be held in 2015, the AB’S will have to re-job there team a little next year. Mccaw now gets a 6 month sabbatical to rest up.

      • 4:19am
        kingplaymaker said | 4:19am | ! Report

        Johnno if the All Blakcs stick with players no good in attack anymore and ignore young talent like Fruean, Ranger, Taylor who could have shredded England, they’re bound to lose more and more.

        • 4:24am
          stillmatic1 said | 4:24am | ! Report

          like the 20 matches in a row they didnt lose hey KPM………………………

          • 4:34am
            kingplaymaker said | 4:34am | ! Report

            Stillmatic I not having a go at the All Blacks, I’m just saying the time for a changing of the guard in some positions has come.

            • 4:54am
              stillmatic1 said | 4:54am | ! Report

              based on what evidence? one match? so why is deans still coaching? or lancaster? or why are most teams not filled with new ideas and talent because they have lost test matches this year?

              fact is, this was your tired line after every loss and has been shown to be spurious and trolling. unless of course you forget the threads that you filled with the same drivel for months on end? hardly insightful criticism, KPM?

              if these players perform poorly over a period of matches then it will be time to go. but based on their performances this year over many games, this cannot be said. you can keep freun and ranger, but i like the look of taylor. pity the team doesnt need him when dagg is in the team.

            • 7:00am
              ritchie62 said | 7:00am | ! Report

              KPM – Change for the sake of change is a waste of time. Hansen has already dismissed Fruen as an option at OC because of his heart surgery and an on going issue with his heart. Apparently his recovery rate is a little slow & that is way you also see him go missing at certain stages for the Saders. Ranger runs to hot & cold he has disciplinary issues on & off the field & tends to be injury prone. Taylor – is that Andre or Tom? either way S15 form isn’t always a good indicator.

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