Restructuring the Australian cricket season

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    It’s another summer of love and the Big Bash League’s slide, the absence of Test match fans in Hobart and the Boxing Day fizzer/extended one-dayer are all major talking points.

    I would suggest the thing holding cricket in Australia back the most is itself. There’s a long history of eating the right arm in order to grow the left arm.

    So with that in mind, here’s a few scheduling proposals they should consider:

    State competition – first-class

    Get rid of the split and butchered Sheffield Shield comp and run it as a double round-robin over 11 weekends from the October to mid-December.

    International Tests would coincide with rounds five, seven and nine, which restores the state comp to proper selection status and gives players continuity of competition.

    State competition – limited overs

    In the second half of the season, run a double-round robin 50 overs comp from the week after the Sheffield Shield final in mid-December through to the end of February.

    Matches would be played on Saturdays in normally deprived country and regional areas (remember they’re state teams, not metro teams!) This makes the state competition a proper feeder for Big Bash and internationals, rather than have players scrounge around for a match at local club level.

    Note: if Cricket Australia feels more state T20 matches would benefit the overall game, then the 11 week window could be half T20 and half 50 over games played concurrently in the same window.

    International – Test matches

    Scrap the Hobart Test. With T20 and One-Dayers that’s more than enough to cover the Tasmanian market.

    Have a five Test match window starting from the first weekend of November through to the Boxing Day match. In between every game there would be a weekend off. The season can be allotted as a split of three Tests against one nation, two against another or a full five match series, going Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Sydney and finally Melbourne.

    International – T20 matches

    Play these on the spare weekends between Test matches utilising the two touring teams. You could structure six international T20 matches in November and December with each team playing double round robin (so four Australian T20 games).

    In a three team series I don’t think you need a final match.

    International – 50 overs matches

    With January and February now freed of other international commitments, there’s room to restructure the 50 overs competition. This year’s system – two five match series – is a total joke. It’s just too much and too meaningless.

    I propose the series be restructured into a four team double round robin, comprised permanently of Australia and New Zealand plus two other touring teams. This would finally capitalise on the cross-Tasman rivalry, with a permanent game on both Australia Day and Waitangi Day.

    The 13 games series (including final) would featuring six games that target the Australian market, an extra four that target New Zealand plus two others involving the touring sides, followed by the final. The games would be played over six weeks, with most games on Sundays (except for the holiday games) so that both sessions are covered.

    T20 franchise league

    It’s probably easier to break this one down into key points:

    1. Don’t axe it, but don’t saturate an already saturated season – we need a short form club version of the game
    2. Restructure the game play – introduce split innings. Once a batting team reaches the 10th over or five wickets fall (whichever comes first), teams swap over. This creates four mini-sessions and allows teams to change strategy and make up for weak attacking/defensive performances almost immediately. It’s no longer just a simple chase-down.
    3. Once the format has stabilised, introduce a Canberra and Newcastle team. These two centres are deprived of first class cricket.
    4. Split the league into two five-team conferences: South (Perth, Adelaide, Hobart, Melbourne[s]) and North (Canberra, Newcastle, Brisbane, Sydney[s]).
    5. Use a single-round robin format with one additional rivalry round (so 10 weeks, five home games each, with three weeks of finals). This creates a 55 game season.
    6. Use a top six finals format with week one comprising three versus six, four versus five. The two conference winners would be introduced in week two, following a week one bye as reward for topping their table, and a week three grand final.
    7. Run the competition from the week before the Boxing Day Test through to the end of February, broadcast on free-to-air with two matches on each day so that games are targeted to either their local northern or southern market.
    8. Finally, rename it as a serious tournament: Australian Cricket League (ACL)

    What do you think Roarers? How would you restructure the cricket season?

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    • Roar Rookie

      January 1st 2013 @ 5:03am
      Sharminator said | January 1st 2013 @ 5:03am | ! Report

      What is the idea behind scrapping a test, in particular the Hobart test?

      It makes more sense to have two teams for 3 test matches each, than one for 2 matches and one for 3, or one team for 5 matches.
      With only 2 test matches, it wouldnt be much of a series. Would there really be much interest in a 5 match series against Sri Lanka or New Zealand?

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 1:41pm
        code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

        Every year it just seems that the profile and interest in the Hobart test is getting worse. It really is only there because of the influence of the state governing body. If there was less factionalism in the game, then it would’ve been scrapped a long time ago.

        I have no problem with a 2 match series. Do we really need to see Australia white wash a minnow in 3 games. The logic is simple:

        2 match series – would be the first 2 games against the lower ranked opponent
        followed by
        3 match series – against a more competitive side

        but in rare years:
        5 match series – Ashes

        Test match series have consisted of anywhere from 1-7 games so it’s not like there’s a law saying 3 is required.

        I actually had a full schedule listed but it was edited from the article. For 2013-14 I’d propose:
        Thu 31st October to Mon 4th November – International Test Match – Brisbane
        Thu 14th to Mon 18th November – International Test Match – Perth
        Thu 28th November to Mon 2nd December – International Test Match – Adelaide
        Thu 12th to Mon 16th December – International Test Match – Sydney
        Thu 26th to Mon 30th December – International Test Match – Melbourne Boxing Day

        • Roar Guru

          January 1st 2013 @ 2:38pm
          code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

          Read further below for the full schedule that was cut from the article, thanks.

    • Roar Guru

      January 1st 2013 @ 8:58am
      Andy_Roo said | January 1st 2013 @ 8:58am | ! Report

      I think there are several problems with your proposals.

      It would be a bit rude to assume New Zealand are available every year. What about their home series?

      Alternating between test and T20 formats doesn’t allow international players to settle into one style of play for any length of time. Consistency in performance would be thrown out the window.

      If there is no first class cricket after mid december how do test-only players prepare for the next overseas tour, such as the February tour to India. How would the selectors pick a touring party, where is the form-line.

      A two test format for the second international team would be meaningless. This is why Hobart gets a test every second year or so, to make it a three test series.

      Would you seriously dump the Sydney New -Years test?

      You are introducing radical changes to a domestic T20 competition that is only 1.5 years old, give it a chance.

      I think the current schedule, whislt not ideal for each format is probably the best compromise that can be reached.

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 1:56pm
        code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

        New Zealand would only be involved from January to mid-February (6 weeks). It avoids their existing test match window (March) and coincides with their existing one-day window which is what they’d be playing.

        As for alternating between test & T20 formats? Hate to break it to you but they already swapping between formats, much more than what I’m proposing. But I’m trying to minimize that, with only 6 T20 internationals (4 involving Australia) and considering the cross-over player pool is smaller, I don’t think it’s that big a problem.

        Your point about the March-onwards test selection is valid but I feel that playing a Sheffield Shield series from September to March and split into two is, no offense, but a total joke. The question needs to be asked – do we want Sheffield Shield running during our home tests so we can get the best players for the home tests or do we want to butcher it for the sake of satisfying both. Running both state test matches and one-dayers at the same time is likewise a bad idea. I just don’t think the player pool is there to have both International One Dayers, Big Bash, State Test Matches & State One Dayers all running at the same time.

    • January 1st 2013 @ 10:27am
      Matt F said | January 1st 2013 @ 10:27am | ! Report

      There are a fair few issues with this. I’ll run through each category. Warning:Long post coming up 🙂

      First Class – While I can understand what you’re trying to do (a full shield season to prepare players for the home Tests) you forget that we regularly tour other nations in March. In recent years we’ve been to NZ, WI and SA and we’re heading to India this February. Having no Shield matches leaves us thoroughly unprepared for these series. The first XI would still have Test matches but we need a squad to take on tour and injuries can pop up as well. Also playing 10 matches in 10-11 weeks would be a serious drain on the players. I can see this leading to a significant number of injuries. I’m happy with how it is now to be honest.

      Ryobi Cup – Playing it at the same time as the BBL would destroy the credibility of this competition as the best state players wouldn’t be playing. While I like the idea of taking games to regional areas (I’d take some Shield games out to these places as well) most games still have to be in the city as Fox Sports broadcast the competition and the media facilities aren’t good enough at most rural grounds.

      Tests – Hobart only gets a test every 2-3 years anyway and two-test series always seem hollow. I’m happy to keep the 6th test (in years we don’t host a 5 match series of course) though if the crowds in Hobart continue to be as poor as they were this year I’d consider moving it to Canberra. Not sure why you would get rid of the New year’s test. That’s always well attended. If anything I’d be more inclined to start the summer with a 5 match ODI series and move some tests into January.

      International T20’s – Don’t play them alongside the test series. It detracts from both and most teams have completely very different test and T20 sides so it’s a waste of money for them to keep their T20 side out here for a month when they’re only playing 3 matches. Then you’ve got the players who play T20 and ODI’s for their country but not tests who basically have a month or so free time in Australia. Again that’s a waste of money for the touring bodies. I don’t mind the idea of a 3 match series but play them in a row and get them done within a week.

      ODI’s – First, you’re assuming that NZ have nothing else to do in summer. They’ve generally got their own series going on. ODI matches involving Australia still make good money for Ch9 so they’re not going to give up matches. Whilst I’m assuming that some matches will be played in NZ, any ODI match not involving Australia simply doesn’t rate. Ch 9 don’t want it and sponsors don’t want them. It’s fine when India are here because Indian TV money makes up for it but they won’t be here every year. I wouldn’t mind seeing what we have now but with 3 game series. However commercially that won’t happen so I wouldn’t mind seeing the first 5 match series (and maybe T20 series) start in October/November before the test matches and the second series after the test matches to break it up a bit. The main issue with ODI matches is that the series’ tend to drag on so let’s break them up.

      T20 BBL/ACL – Hate the idea of splitting innings. It’s only 20 overs so let’s keep it as it is. Payers are starting to understand that the key to winning T20 isn’t big hitting but good partnerships and breaking up already short innings would disrupt this. I don’t see how splitting teams up into conferences adds much either. Just keep them as one competition and play everybody once (maybe an extra rivalry round.) As Andy_Roo says the competition is only 1.5 years old. let’s give it time to see how it grows before doing anything drastic. I agree with starting it later but CA don’t want BBL matches conflicting with ODI’s as they compete with each other. Start it the week before xmas and have it end some time around Australia Day. FTA coverage is nice but, according to reports, Ch9 only want to show the finals. The rest would be on Fox Sports.

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 11:52am
        TheGenuineTailender said | January 1st 2013 @ 11:52am | ! Report

        You sir have absolutely nailed it in every aspect. Kudos to you.

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 2:15pm
        code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

        First Class – I can see what people are getting at in terms of the Feb-March secondary test player pool, but I think the gap in between the Shield comp causes the whole game to suffer. I really don’t think we can run One Day Internationals, T20 Internationals, Big Bash and State Test Matches (where players are out for 5 days) all at the same time without draining the player pool. You only have to watch recent Big Bash games to see what I mean. I suspect the nobodies in some of those franchises is what’s affecting the gate.

        Ryobi Cup – again I think it’s a choice between having a strong Big Bash comp and a feeder State 50 Over comp, or merging both. They’re competing for the same market interest, this is what I mean by cricket cannibalizing itself. Hence why I’d rather see the State Teams taken to places in the state not saturated by Tests, One Dayers & Big Bash. State Lmited Overs needs to become a feeder comp and people need to accept they can’t have both.

        Tests – a 3 game whitewash against a minnow in Hobart where very few people attend in dismal conditions is also hollow. Seriously, another part of the game that’s past its use by date.

        International T20’s – they’re doing the same as the International 50 overs comp, so why have them in the same time frame? Market them seperately. You can have them knocked over in 2 weeks if you push the test matches closer together (remove some of the 1 week breaks in between) but honestly, International 50 Overs & T20’s are competiting for the same demographic. Don’t over saturate the audience.

        ODI’s – it’s their existing One Day window… 2 x 5 game series are pointless. Cricket Australia should bite the bullet here and cut 4 games for the sake of scheduling and not over-saturating the audience. I’d propose that all ODI are played on Sundays with both games played at the same time. See my schedule below. I agree with you about the 10 game series dragging on. My 13 game proposed is done in 6 weeks with only 6-7 games that Australian audiences need to focus on.

        Big Bash – I’ve seen split innings played overseas and it’s a much better version to watch than the current one. You probably shouldn’t rule it out completely until you’ve seen it.

        • January 1st 2013 @ 3:38pm
          Matt F said | January 1st 2013 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

          Thanks for the response. It’s nice to see someone putting a lot of thought into this, even if we disagree on some points.

          First Class – We don’t run Big Bash matches against Shield matches. The BBL has its own window. You say that running the Shield against T20I’s and ODI’s takes away from the talent pool, which is true, but you then have it up against Test matches which still drains the talent pool. I would imagine that having the Test specialists (Siddle, Cowan, Lyon possibly) playing in the Shield after the test series is better for the standard than having the T20 specialists (Finch) playing in it. I still think that back to back to back to back etc matches will lead to serious injuries. It’s too much to play that much cricket in such a sport space of time. Another issue with your schedule (from below) is that it clashes with the T20 champions league (which basically drains two states of their players) and potential Australian tours anyway. Teams can handle losing 1-3 players for national duty but I doubt they can afford to lose their half their squad for the T20CL. They can delay matches but your schedule doesn’t allow it as it’s so packed

          Ryobi Cup – Again, they don’t currently compete. The BBL has its own window. I’m not sure you understand the point of the Ryobi Cup, or the Shield. They’re not aiming at commercial success. They’re effectively cricket’s version of “loss leaders.” They drain money but improve the standard of players in each format. These players then (in theory) form a better quality national team and a successful national team brings in more money through TV, sponsorship, media coverage, public interest etc. They’re not going to get crowds but that’s not their aim. I like the idea of taking some games to regional areas and some games are already played in regional areas but you can’t take too many unless you want Foxtel to stop broadcasting it.

          Tests – The crowd was appalling but one more test = more content for Channel 9 (test cricket still rates well) which means more money. TV money is much greater than attendance money these days. Fewer matches involving the national team means less commercial $$$. I have no objection to moving the test around, possibly to Canberra.

          T20I’s – People still don’t take the format seriously. It’s entertaining but the result is quite meaningless, take out the World Cup, and even then it doesn’t mean much. Playing T20’s in between Tests would decrease interest in the T20’s as they’re not seen as being as important as tests, especially if it’s a high profile test series. The current system – Tests then T20’s then ODI’s – isn’t bad. Again T20’s and ODI’s aren’t competing as the T20’s are done, and quickly forgotten, by the time the ODI’s start. I’m slightly confused when you say that we don’t want to saturate the audience and then say that we should push the matches (of all formats) close together? The breaks between matches, apart from being necessary to player welfare, would help with saturation as their are plenty of cricket free days wouldn’t they?

          ODI’s – HAving a very average side like NZ out here every single year would get very boring very quickly. I know they’re better at ODI’s than Tests but they’re still quite poor. Remember when the Chappell-hadlee trophy was going to be an annual event? That failed because nobody cared. I agree that 2 x 5 match ODI’s drag on but they still make lots of money for CA. 10 games involving Australia is more profitable than 13 games where only 6-7 involve Australia. I would like to see a few ODI’s reduced but it won’t happen for a long while yet, which is why I brought up the idea of playing one series before the Tests to break them up and pushing some Tests into January.

          BBL – I’ve never seen a split innings T20. I have seen split innings for 40 and 50 over matches and I wasn’t impressed. They weren’t horrible but they didn’t add anything either.

        • Roar Guru

          January 1st 2013 @ 4:39pm
          TheGenuineTailender said | January 1st 2013 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

          First class cricket needs to be preserved and is the pivotal stepping stone to test cricket. CA don’t expect the Sheffield Shield to be financially viable, they budget for it to run at a loss and they’re fine with that. You’re trying to say the BBL, Shield, Ryobi cup, T20Is, ODIs and tests are all running at the same time and arguing that this is a bad thing, yet in your suggestions I get the sense of a chaotic period where we’re playing a test match and two days later a T20I.

          The BBL is so young that it hasn’t had the chance for controversial ending and close finishes that develop the intense rivalries other codes have. But the A-League has the proof in the pudding. With time these develop and I’m already surprised how many people passionately wear their BBL colours to games. You’re jumping the gun far too quickly here. The BBL is a season and half old. Just show some patience.

          The Ryobi cup is not in any way competing with the BBL. the one day cup is already recognised as a feeder competition, just as the Shield is. Again, CA budget for this. Die hard cricket fans follow it, not the casual observer that the BBL appeals to.

          Just because Australia are playing well and winning matches, doesn’t mean we’re beating up on some minnow. Sri Lanka have an abundance of world class players and only in 2011 were ranked above us in test cricket.

          I understand that two x five match ODI series can wear thin, but the fact is that they continue to rate well on TV and are very profitable for CA and Channel 9. Just because people mightn’t be packing stadiums, doesn’t mean 500,000 people aren’t watching it on television and being exposed to 9s advertising which ultimately makes them money. Having said that, two foreign sides playing against one another rates absolutely horribly, which is why the tri-series format was scrapped. Only when India are involved does it make any sense to do that. Now imagine having three no local sides who have to play one another. That is a waste of time for all involved. You’re also assuming that NZ would just be fine with abandoning their own home series which is what they make their money from to come here every single year.

          Not I apologise if this sounds harsh, but split innings T20s is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. The game is already only 20 overs each way. It achieves absolutely nothing whatsoever and is the perfect example of a change for no apparent reason than change itself. Pointless.

          • Roar Guru

            January 1st 2013 @ 11:52pm
            code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 11:52pm | ! Report

            Well as always, it’s just an article to promote discussion. I don’t think the current scheduling balance is correct but again that’s just my opinion. From reading about player’s dislike for aspects of the schedule plus noting key attendances, I think it’s fair to say there is some truth to what I’m suggesting.

            First Class – I dislike this year’s shield gap and I think if BBL is going to be Cricket Australia’s premier club tournament then they need to be giving it the space it deserves rather than cramming it in a short window, hence why I suggest mid-December through to February. I think losing the top 11 from the Sheffield Shield for 3 weeks (the 3 clashing tests) is better than losing ODI & BBL players for 6-9 weeks. As for T20 champions league clashing in September & October, well it clashed this year anyway. Better to have it clash against state games then against internationals or Big Bash league.

            Ryobi Cup – It is indeed a loss leader but I think the people suggesting that both Ryobi Cup and Big Bash can both keep the same level of audience interest are on the wrong ticket. Also, I dislike the break between the competitions. I’d rather see Big Bash league expanded in profile and matches at the extent of reducing Ryobi Cup to a feeder comp status.

            Tests – I get your point about Channel 9 but for everyone who has made it clear that the schedule is too jammed packed, here’s a scenario where I would suggest that sacrificing quantity for quality is the better option.
            T20I’s – “People still don’t take the format seriously.” – That’s what happens because the way Cricket Australia has treated it. Jamming the Big Bash League in between a bunch of other stuff will ensure that it remains a joke. If that’s the case, then what’s the point? There’s just not enough weeks from January 1st to February 28th to play both a T20 International series, a full One Day series and a full Big Bash league series unless they all take a hit. Again, all the T20 matches I’m proposing are on weekends just like club football. That’s the culture I think is lacking in cricket in Australia.

            ODI’s –“Remember when the Chappell-hadlee trophy was going to be an annual event?” That’s because it was going to be the centrepiece, here it’s part of an overall series. It doesn’t matter if New Zealand suck because there’s 2 other teams involved. As for the 10 games being reduced, again it’s a matter of priority of whether you want a club cricket league. I sense a serious reluctance from people to even adjust the status quo but you have to ask yourself – is the status quo actually going to work long term?

            • Roar Guru

              January 2nd 2013 @ 12:36am
              TheGenuineTailender said | January 2nd 2013 @ 12:36am | ! Report

              Thanks for taking the time to write back. I’m not sure you really responded directly to the points I brought up though.

              • January 2nd 2013 @ 9:00am
                Matt F said | January 2nd 2013 @ 9:00am | ! Report

                I think he was responding to me but replied in the wrong spot

              • Roar Guru

                January 2nd 2013 @ 1:18pm
                TheGenuineTailender said | January 2nd 2013 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

                Ah fair enough, that explains a lot.

            • January 2nd 2013 @ 9:45am
              Matt F said | January 2nd 2013 @ 9:45am | ! Report

              I can’t speak for everyone else but my arugments aren’t because I want to keep that status quo just for the sake of it. My arguments are because I can see what look to be serious flaws in your schedule and I think that, on balance the current schedule is better. It’s not about being afraid of change, it’s about making sure that change will improve the current system and I’m of the opinion that your design doesn’t do this.

              First class – Actually if you include the T20 matches you’ve sandwiched in between Tests, some players will miss 6. You also haven’t taken into accounts CA’s reluctance to play test players in the Shield during a 1.5 week break between tests. CA will more than likely order the test players to rest, especially the bowlers, which negates your main benefit somewhat. You also haven’t answered the conern about the short gaps between matches. Players simply won’t be able to play 10-11 Shield matches in 11 weeks. We see how hard it is for test players to back up for back to back tests (Siddle and Hilfenhaus this summer for example) and, whilst test matches are obviously longer than Shield matches, imagine having to back up 10 times over. It’s not possible.

              Ryobi – The problem with your schedule is that all the current state players, international players, fringe state players and talented yungsters will be playing in the BBL. There is nobody left to play the Ryobi Cup. It will serve absolutely no purpose for developing Australian players as none of these players will ever be in contention for the Australian side, and it hasn’t had any commercial purpose for years anyway. Also how do our state players (who will be in the BBL) gain experience in one-day cricket when they won’t play any?

              Tests – I see you argument about quality over quantity (though that could be solved by playing the better nations more often, which seems to be a growing trend) but unless channel 9 (or whoever holds the rights) can be convinced that they’ll make more money out of fewer tests then it won’t happen.

              ODI’s – If we’re relying on the two other nations to hide the fact that NZ aren’t good enough then why have NZ in it at all? Nobody that CA is concerned about will pay attention to their games anyway so why not just have a 5-6 game series between us and another nation? The NZ games would add nothing, especially as they’re played on the same day as the Australia ODI’s under your schedule, so why have them? I’ve stated that I’d like fewer ODI’s but they still make the most money via TV so they’re staying around for a while. Also, while you have reduced the number of Australian games, the duration in which they play them doesn’t really change. The current schedule for this summer has Australia playing 10 ODI’s and 3 T20’s from Jan 11 to Feb 13 (33 days.) Under your schedule the Australian side will play 6-7 ODI matches from Jan 6 to Feb 16 (41 days.) You’ve managed to cut matches but increase the duration of the tournament. In other words you’ve reduced revenue while enhancing the growing belief that ODI series drag on too long. Also, because the ODI matches are on the same weekends as the BBL the players in the ODI side still won’t be available for the BBL.

              BBL – I notice in your detailed schedule that many games are played at the same time, so presumably there will be a lot of games which simply aren’t covered by TV (or they’ll both bo covered which will result in splitting the audience.) That seems to defeat the purpose of extending it, at least from a TV perspective. While you can play afternoon games on Saturdays to avoid the clash (Foxtel would prefer mid-week prime time matches to weekend afternoon matches though) you can’t do that for your two friday games. You’ve also still got the problem that the ODI players won’t be involved because they’ll be playing in your quad-series ODI tournament on the same weekends so all you’ve really done is made it longer. You haven’t solved the problem of player absence and you may have created one re TV coverage.

    • January 1st 2013 @ 11:05am
      Harry said | January 1st 2013 @ 11:05am | ! Report


      • Columnist

        January 1st 2013 @ 12:49pm
        Brett McKay said | January 1st 2013 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

        (thanks for yelling, Harry)

        Serious, cricket is an irrelevance and has no interest to modern Australia? 😯

        Did the 64,000 people at the MCG on Boxing Day know this? Did the 21,000 at Homebush the other night know this??

        • January 1st 2013 @ 12:55pm
          Rough Conduct said | January 1st 2013 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

          Lots of Anglophobic ranting infiltrating this site lately Brett – have you noticed? Where are the mods on this sort of garbage?

          • Columnist

            January 1st 2013 @ 3:02pm
            Brett McKay said | January 1st 2013 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

            It’s a good question, RC…..

        • January 1st 2013 @ 3:43pm
          Matt F said | January 1st 2013 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

          Harry has popped up recently. He basically makes the same type of comment every single time and talks (VERY LOUDLY) about how AFL and cricket are outdated, will soon die and football will rise and conquer all. I’m not sure whether he is actually a football fan or someone pretending to try and make the others look bad…..

          It seems that the Roar mods have taken a break over the festive season? Either that or the standard has dropped heavily

      • January 1st 2013 @ 3:59pm
        Matt F said | January 1st 2013 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

        Also, the great irony of his “cricket isn’t inclusive of modern Australia” rant is that the Australian side is currently playing Sri Lanka, will soon face the West Indies and then go to India

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 4:40pm
        TheGenuineTailender said | January 1st 2013 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

        There’s always one idiot.

      • January 2nd 2013 @ 9:48am
        mahonjt said | January 2nd 2013 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        WOW – crazy times…

    • January 1st 2013 @ 11:19am
      Bob said | January 1st 2013 @ 11:19am | ! Report

      Play the tests in late dec and jan why do we short change our premier form of cricket?

    • January 1st 2013 @ 11:24am
      Timmuh said | January 1st 2013 @ 11:24am | ! Report

      I have to echo AndyRoo and MattF’s thoughts about finishing the Shield in December. So often there is a Feb or March tour to NZ, South Africa, West Indies, etc. Having the Shield run until the end of the domestic season is important. Even if there is not a tour until June, that leaves six months with no First Class cricket, a huge gulf. These could be filled somewhat by insisting on a proper number of tour matches before the first Test; boards usually refuse such requests in the modern game; or ramping up the use of “Australia A” series.
      Test cricket must have absolute primacy, and that includes the Shield being put above all other domestic competitions regardless of CA’s profit reduction (so long as it doesn’t turn into losses). The finances are to serve the sport, not the other way around.
      Plyaing more Shield and state ListA games in regional centres should happen, however. And these should be on days where there is no international game on TV. Almost without fail, a game in a regional centre is up against a telecast international. Care also needs to be taken to ensure that every player who plays two full Shield seasons plays on every Test venue (eg not having NSW v Vic in Albury every year, so the Vics play at the SCG every second year at a minimum). This would ensure that most players getting a Test call-up have played at the venue before.

      Two months is far too long for the BBL. I deally it wold be cut back to about a month, but 5-6 weeks is probably the realistic minimum. That may requires taking slightly less money from Fox to allow for more double headers on weekend days where there is no international cricket, or an east coast based game and Perth based game double header. MattF’s schedule is just about spot on for mine. Start the BBL after the Melbourne and Sydney Test squad is chosen, and try to finish by Australia Day. It would probably have to go into early February unfortunately, but an Australia Day completion is a worthwhile aim if at all feasible.

      I can understand why people want to scrap a Test in Hobart, but I prefer to keep it regardless of the attendance. For those who do want to go to a Test, you can drive from Canberra, Newcastle or Geelong to a venue – not so easily from Hobart or Launceston if there is no game in the island state.
      Hobart does rely on people travelling from the other half of the state, not many did that with five days of rain forecast – extremely unfirtunate as mid-December is usually the start of the drier part of the year. We just have to accpe that Hobart is a small city, comprising less than half of a small state, and that 5000 is as good an attendance as can be expected on an ideal day – any hint of rain and that will halve because people will not travel 5-7 hours with the prospect of watching seven hours of rain.

      On international T20s, I thought a nation could only host 3 a season under ICC rules – the ICC’s T20 World Championships being an exception. That may have changd in the last couple of years however, and ICC scheduling rules are rarely even used as a guideline, much less as rules – just look at how the FTP gets torn to shreds.

      • Roar Guru

        January 1st 2013 @ 2:22pm
        code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

        Well for the most part I’ve responded to your comments in my previous posts above, but re the test match player pool proposal, I don’t mind the idea of using ‘Australia A’ test team at the end of February etc for this purpose. I just don’t think the player pool is there to have 4-5 competitions all running at once. I’m proposing just having 3 (Big Bash, International 50 Overs, State 50 Overs) with players usually committed to playing just one match per week during January-February. That’s a hell of a lot better than what’s going on at the moment.

        I’d put the state games played in regional centres on Saturdays with the internationals on Sundays (see my schedule below).

        • Roar Guru

          January 1st 2013 @ 2:23pm
          code 13 said | January 1st 2013 @ 2:23pm | ! Report

          Also perhaps the ‘Australia A’ test game could be in Hobart too to make up for sacrificing the earlier one.

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