Giants are miles behind Wanderers for support

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    Everybody knew from the outset that the AFL’s push into the Western Sydney region was going to be a tough one.

    “Nobody likes that crap,” people muttered. Pejorative names such as Aerial ping pong, GayFL and “that shit sport where they wear short-shorts” were used interchangeably.

    And while the Giants have somewhat made their mark out west, they are a long way off of entrenching themselves in the region.

    Take the Giants position and compare it to the new Wanderers A-League franchise and it’s basically chalk and cheese.

    It’s actually surprising how well the Wanderers have done on and off the field.

    And maybe that on field component is part of the success.

    Nobody likes watching a team get thrashed (unless Collingwood’s on the receiving end), so while the Giants are in their infancy and copping 100-point beltings each week, the naysayers will continue to have a smirk on their face and the potential fans won’t turn up until the club starts winning games.

    You need to win games to engage support.

    Perhaps another reason you could say the Wanderers are doing much better is because of the sport itself.

    Due to West Sydney’s immigrant communities, soccer has a purpose and is representative of those communities.

    The AFL is entrenched in the southern states; however it takes a back seat to the other three codes in Sydney.

    It’s all about culture. If you don’t grow up with a sport, you find it very hard to feel a part of it. Only until recently have I taken an interest in soccer. In Adelaide, it’s footy in the winter, cricket in the summer. So I enjoy those sports’ more due to my upbringing with them.

    For example; when you see the Giants doing things such as displaying the rules of the game to the crowd on the big screen, you know it’s reflective of the areas’ lack of knowledge on the sport.

    The failing experiment of bringing Israel Folau to the Giants was highly controversial. When you head hunt one of the superstars of a rival code simply to get a bit of attention and a couple of extras through the turnstiles, it shows the club in a negative light.

    Ok; say Adelaide got a rugby league team and head hunted Patrick Dangerfield to play for the new team just to get attention, do you think it would work?

    They’d certainly get attention; but more along the lines of white collar workers and grandmas rioting in Victoria Square than a sell out at a rugby league match.

    Essentially the Giants have gone about things haphazardly.

    Not only have they pissed off the population with their head hunting of a player from West Sydney’s favourite code, they’ve also created an inexperienced team set to lose the majority of this season’s games in the fickle sporting landscape of Sydney that’s expectant of winners.

    The Giants also need to let the game grow in the region, and avoid tacky approaches to create interest in the game, such as displaying the rules on the scoreboard.

    Soccer has come in, put a team together and a winning team at that, and hasn’t worried about poaching players to make headlines.

    The Wanderers have played it cool, put a competitive team on the park, represented the region properly and as a result, seem a natural fit in West Sydney.

    Playing it cool is the name of the game.

    So do I think it will be alright in the future? Sure, but not for a while yet.

    It took the Sydney Swans fifteen years to even be recognised as a big player in the Sydney sporting landscape, and since then they’ve still had trouble consistently gaining significant media attention year in, year out.

    But sure, in time the Giants should get a pretty decent following.

    West Sydney’s population is massive and if the Giants start representing the region properly, I think more people will start to show their support.

    But until that happens, the Wanderers will continue to be miles ahead.

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    • January 9th 2013 @ 4:08am
      Football United said | January 9th 2013 @ 4:08am | ! Report

      i think with the AFL’s restrictions such as the draft it made it very difficult to make a competitive team from day 1, meaning teething problems early before what will be the expected onslaught of a superstar team. Football is blessed with free agency and easy transfers, meaning a competitive team can be assembled much easier. GWS could work eventually but it really needs to try harder and give up on this nonsense of moving games.

      • Roar Guru

        January 9th 2013 @ 9:15am
        Redb said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        Spot on.

        Western Sydney is akin to Melbourne and Perth for the rugby codes it is a development area and no-one should confuse themselves that it is any different.

        • January 9th 2013 @ 3:08pm
          Terra Dactyl said | January 9th 2013 @ 3:08pm | ! Report

          Redb I think you are right but what creates these sorts of commentaries from NRL types is the bravado with which AFL & Giants arrived with in western Sydney and Sydney generally. We can all say that wasn’t the case or certainly wasn’t intended but obviously it has come across that way. If this is not so then people would be giving AFL and the Giants the same slack the Rebels get in Melbourne.

          • Roar Guru

            January 9th 2013 @ 4:43pm
            Redb said | January 9th 2013 @ 4:43pm | ! Report


            the RL media via the Daily Tele had a bit to do with how GWS were portrayed …. invasion rhetoric ,etc.

            There was none of that reaction in the AFL melb media towards the Rebels.

            • January 9th 2013 @ 4:52pm
              Rough Conduct said | January 9th 2013 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

              1. This is the second team in Sydney so the argument of having a ‘presence’ in the city (like the Rebels) does not hold water, the AFL clearly want more than a ‘presence’ in Sydney.
              2. The Rebels did not poach any high-profile AFL players in a shameless stunt, a clear act of hostile intent. This was not some conspiracy dreamed up by the Tele, this is what actually happened.

            • January 9th 2013 @ 5:43pm
              Tommygun said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

              rent a quote Sheedy didn’t help the popularity of AFL in Western Sydney

            • Roar Guru

              January 10th 2013 @ 8:12am
              Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:12am | ! Report

              1. Second teams in Syd and Melb have been created in the A League, no fuss was made.
              2. The Daily Tele was on a war footing at least two years before the Folau recruitment, there are a heap of articles if care to do research.

          • January 10th 2013 @ 9:18am
            Kasey said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:18am | ! Report

            Exactly. It was the colonialist attitude of the Vic-media ”we just have to show these Northern Heathens what a ‘real sport’ is and they’ll like/love it just like we do” was theoverwhelming public impression generated by the way GWS went about their business.
            Going in WSWs favour was the fact that as redb mentions assembling a competitive football team is a lot easier when you are only constrained by the minimal restrictions placed on HAL teams (salary cap+ squad size) being the only two I can think of.

            Going against WSW was the shoe-string budget they had and the severely compressed time-frame with which to work. Balancing out the positives and the negatives of the hand WSW were dealt one can only say that regardless of comparisons with other sports, they’ve done a remarkable job.

    • Roar Guru

      January 9th 2013 @ 4:27am
      The_Wookie said | January 9th 2013 @ 4:27am | ! Report

      Wanderers average crowds 2012: 11,349
      GWS average crowds 2012: 10825

      Holy christ. Your right, mile ahead. MILES.

      • January 9th 2013 @ 10:14am
        Biala Gwiazda said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:14am | ! Report

        To be fair, GWS’s crowd average has been heavily skewed by the 38k+ against the Swans in the season opener. An overwhelming majority of that crowd were supporters of their cross-city rivals.

        Not including this match, GWS’s average attendance for its Sydney matches was 7,940.

        Additionally, their crowds have been bolstered by the relatively large away support of sides like Collingwood and Essendon; something you won’t get with, say, a Melbourne Heart or Brisbane Roar.

        In any case, after one season it’s still too early to judge, but Wanderers do appear to have the lead (not surprising given the area’s football heritage and their surprisingly good performances).

        • January 9th 2013 @ 11:11am
          Don't do it said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:11am | ! Report

          That Collingwood game at Skoda had 8,102 attendees. So once you remove the most popular team in the compeition’s supporters, how many GWS supporters and neutrals were at that game?

          • January 9th 2013 @ 11:21am
            Christo the Daddyo said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:21am | ! Report

            Probably quite a lot actually. When you consider the average attendance was just under 8k (taking out the Swans game), there were only a couple of hundred Pies supporters there.

            Statistically speaking…:)

            • Roar Guru

              January 9th 2013 @ 12:13pm
              Redb said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

              Yep I doubt too many Essendon or Collingwood fans would bother to fly up to play GWS at this stage in their development.

              It’s a different story when Collingwood play the Swans.

            • January 9th 2013 @ 12:14pm
              Matt F said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

              I think that had a lot to with the fact that Collingwood were back in Sydney to play the Swans only 2 weeks later. Most Pies fans came up for the Swans match instead, understandably

      • January 9th 2013 @ 1:04pm
        Don't do it said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

        Wookie, you are basically comparing a Swans’s boosted crowd average vs a Sydney FC boosted crowd average.

        GWS attendance vs interstate opposition: 7,940 (from matches actually played in Sydney mind you)
        WSW attendance vs interstate opposition: 10,377 (so far and trending upwards too)

        I know it’s still not a huge difference, but it still reflects poorly for GWS when WSW were thrown together in about 4 months flat, while GWS had millions pumped in over years. It turns out that simply advertising this is YOUR TEAM -> LOVE THEM is not enough.

        • January 9th 2013 @ 1:21pm
          Australian Rules said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

          West Sydney is the home of soccer – Australian Footy was almost unheard of pre-Giants.

          And the Giants got thrashed every week.

          8k compared to 10.3k..?

          I don’t think that represents much of a “win” in soccer heartland. Lond road ahead yet.

          • January 9th 2013 @ 9:24pm
            db swannie said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:24pm | ! Report

            The usual tripe excuses from AFL fans.
            AFL Unheard of in WS.Absoulute horse manure.
            The Swans were SYDNEYS TEAM for a quarter of a century,& unless people living in WS had no accsess to papers,or had never seen a tv ,then of course they had seen it .It was nothing new
            The simple truth that AFL fans dont want to face is that the game is just not that popular & plonking a 2nd unasked for & unwanted team in Sydneys west was bizzarre when AFL fans in Syd already had a team..

            Simple Q. If the NRL put a 2nd team in Melb’s west & came up with the same excuses would they be laughed at .?
            one team in a non heartland city is enough.

            • Roar Guru

              January 10th 2013 @ 8:25am
              Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:25am | ! Report

              The Swans support base is very much in the east of Sydney, yes or no ? AFL participation very much the same.

              Thus creating a team aligned with western Sydney was a way to grow the game.

              NRL fans dont like it as they know they are behind the AFL respectively in development. NRL only came to Melb 13 years, AFL to Sydney 30 years ago.

              • January 10th 2013 @ 8:37am
                Australian Rules said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:37am | ! Report

                db swannie

                “Almost unheard of” = no meaningful presence.

                Pre-Giants there was absolutely no meaningful presence of Australian Football in the Western suburbs of Sydney. If you disagree with that statement, then I doubt you live in the Western Suburbs.

                As for the hypothetical 2nd NRL team in Melb…it’s not apples for apples. The Swans are arguably the biggest sports club in Sydney (in terms of crowds and city-wide support). The Storm are probably the smallest club in Melbourne…maybe bigger than Rebels and Heart.

              • Roar Guru

                January 10th 2013 @ 9:06am
                Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:06am | ! Report


                That’s right. The Swans are much bigger in Sydney compared to the Storm in Melbourne and have been for a decade. The time was right for a second Sydney team.

                We are constantly told how Western Sydney is a city in its own right.

        • January 9th 2013 @ 1:23pm
          Matt F said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

          Not really. A team playing a sport which has a history in the area, and thus ready made support, which can also win games should be drawing more than a team playing a sport without any history to the area and which gets thrashed regularly. I don’t think anybody except the most diehard AFL/GWS fan would have expected GWS to be doing better than WSW right now

          • January 9th 2013 @ 1:42pm
            Brendan said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

            I would think that the A-League couldnt afford to be giving away free tickets to that games like the GWS did in last year, so thats a factor also. They were giving away freebies to the swan-gws match which is the biggest drawing game…

            • January 10th 2013 @ 9:25am
              Kasey said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:25am | ! Report

              Its already been said that take out the Swans v GWS game and the giants attendance starts to look really anaemic. That derby crowd was 38k and as you point outBrendanL how many were AFL-funded freebies joining the Swans members (Swans membership is roughly 32k, leaving the last 6k made up of the combo of GWS members and freebie users)?

      • Roar Pro

        January 9th 2013 @ 1:51pm
        Rodney Penny said | January 9th 2013 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

        It’s not just about the attendances, which by the way, are helped by the 38,000 in Round 1 for the Sydney derby. It’s about what happens at the games. The RBB supporter group is highly vocal, whereas the Giants games are pretty quiet.

        Like I said, culture plays a large role. Which means the Wanderers don’t have to use tacky methods to gain support.

        The Wanderers also had 14,000 against the Mariners on the weekend. Not a bad turnout.

        Plus, look at what happened with the Suns. They had an average of 19,000 in their first year go down to about 13,500 for their second year. So the second year blues might take hold and the novelty of a new AFL club might wear off.

        It’ll take time for them to gain a decent following.

        • January 9th 2013 @ 2:26pm
          Australian Rules said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

          Couple of points Rod:

          – I would think 14,000 against the top team is about par;
          – I agree that spectator culture is an important point – comparing “atmosphere” between footy and soccer is like comparing different colours;
          – I also think the Giants’ crowds may dip in 2013.

          TV ratings for Giants games at the end of 2012 are quite telling (when they were miserably guaranteed to finish stone-motherless):
          Rd 23 v Nth M – 173k
          Rd 22 v St K – 118k
          Rd 21 v Melb – 57k
          Rd 20 v GC – 226k
          Rd 19 v Port – 185k

          Of course, these numbers can be interpreted in multiple ways, but I think they show there is some interest in the Giants…hopefully some of it is in W.Syd!

        • January 9th 2013 @ 2:53pm
          I am Curious said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:53pm | ! Report


          This will sound harsh, but I don’t really think you thought much about the article before you wrote it. You write “And while the Giants have somewhat made their mark out west, they are a long way off of entrenching themselves in the region. Take the Giants position and compare it to the new Wanderers A-League franchise and it’s basically chalk and cheese.” You are basically saying the Wanderers are “entrenched” in Western Sydney which is a stretch. Then you write above “It’ll take time for them to gain a decent following”. Don’t you mean that if GWS win the same amount of games as the Wanderers, they may get similar crowds? You also state “culture” plays a large role? I don’t quite follow you here. Are you saying that if the Wanderers lost every game they still would have the high crowd turnouts because “culture” (I assume you mean “promotion of the game via tacky means) plays no part?

          At the end of the day the formula for these two teams appears to be a highly scientific one, but I’ll give it to you:

          Win Games = Win Supporters

          • January 9th 2013 @ 5:23pm
            Gurudoright said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

            Wrong!!! The Wanderer’s engaged with the people to see what they wanted in a club including name, colours and home ground. As such there is a buzz about the club even before they started winning games. It is near impossible to buy a Wanderers jersey in Western Sydney for the last month or so as they are sold out. The people of Western Sydney see the Wanderers representing the people of the region, they are not flashy, throwing money around type of club, we see them as working class heroes who were raised as ‘westies’. We are happy with the knowledge that the rest of Sydney particularly the people of the Eastern suburbs and Northern Beaches won’t want to associate themselves with the team.

            The Giants on the other hand is the team we were told we had to have. Sheedy came in screaming and hollering about how great it is for the poor people of the Western Sydney he will save us all with AFL. We were told that we needed a team despite only a handful of people being interest. We had no voice on name, colours and in the end home ground. The folau debacle just highlighted how plastic this club is.

            The people of Western Sydney are working class folk who have no time for gimmicks and as such the Giants will never have the support of the majority of ‘Westies’

            • Roar Guru

              January 10th 2013 @ 9:07am
              Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:07am | ! Report

              Wrong on the team colours and name, GWS did the same thing.

            • January 10th 2013 @ 10:03am
              I am Curious said | January 10th 2013 @ 10:03am | ! Report

              “The Giants on the other hand is the team we were told we had to have”.

              Please provide reference. I dont recall this comment.

              “Sheedy came in screaming and hollering about how great it is for the poor people of the Western Sydney he will save us all with AFL.”

              Please provide reference (Sheedy “hollering” for a Marshall doesnt count). I don’t believe he ever said these express words or similar. If he did (highly highly unlikely), I apologise. If he didnt, you made this up.

              “We were told that we needed a team despite only a handful of people being interest”.

              I dont recall them saving this, though I do agree only a small percentage of WS residents have an interest, similar to the soccer club Wanderers (if it were a “large” interest they would need to play games at Homebush in front of 80,000 (about 5% of the WS population)

              “We had no voice on name, colours and in the end home ground.”

              This is incorrect. A website was established and advertised asking for nominations

              I also think you need to replace “we” in your comment with “I”

              Win games = win supporters

      • January 10th 2013 @ 8:42am
        jb said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        the difference being that nearly all the WSW fans have paid for their tickets, you could pick up free tickets to any games, even the swans match, for GWS across most of the western sydney suburbs i frequent.

        It got to a point that you didnt even think of paying to attend a match, just hunt down the closest freebie.

        Having rubbish comments coming from within the AFL about ‘kebab land’ also did not help your cuase one bit.

        • Roar Guru

          January 10th 2013 @ 9:40am
          Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:40am | ! Report

          Methinks you doth protest too much, Eddie McGuire who has nothing to do with GWS made a comment about a Falafel and GWS folk defended the region.

    • January 9th 2013 @ 5:53am
      Champ said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:53am | ! Report

      Miles ahead? Average crowd is basically the same despite GWS being on bottom of the ladder and WSW doing well.. GWS higher membership…

      Did you actually look at any facts or just want to troll AFL?

      • Roar Pro

        January 9th 2013 @ 3:22pm
        Rodney Penny said | January 9th 2013 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

        Match attendance isn’t the only variable pointing to success. I don’t know if you remember, but someone posted a video of the RBB chanting and singing on the comments section on a Wanderers article. On the train, in pubs, down the streets, outside the stadium, inside the stadium and after the match. Pretty much non-stop for several hours. I haven’t seen that level of support for the Giants as of yet. You can measure success any number of ways, and those several hours of chanting and signing are a good example of success.

        And by the way, I don’t troll. I say it how I see it. I don’t make comments just to degarde a code. I support the AFL more than any other code, and while this article may be stating the obvious, I thought the fact that the Wanderers are doing so well was worth a mention.

        Other people may be content with slamming other codes whilst compromising their integrity, but I am not.

    • January 9th 2013 @ 6:06am
      AFLer said | January 9th 2013 @ 6:06am | ! Report

      Aleague pay tv ratings average is 80k this season (highest ever)
      AFL pay tv average was 180k .need i say anymore.

      Not even going to bother with FTA. DO u know why, no one even wants to show aleague on FTA. lol

      • Roar Guru

        January 9th 2013 @ 11:57am
        apaway said | January 9th 2013 @ 11:57am | ! Report


        The article was a comparison piece between the Wanderers and the Giants, not the two leagues as a whole. There is not one football fan blind enough to suggest that the A-League is more popular in terms of viewer numbers – both live and on TV – than the AFL.

        However, I think GWS made some terrible mistakes in their infancy and the first one was the abandonment of their original home at Blacktown. This after Blacktown Council poured a few million into developing the ground to an eventual AFL standard only to have the Giants flee to Skoda (a great boutique ground I’ll grant you) in their first season. That’s not the way to build your support base and represents a rare misstep in the AFL’s expansion.

        • January 9th 2013 @ 12:03pm
          Ben said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Blacktown was never going to cut it. Public transport and parking is a nightmare. Plus the other AFL clubs complained too. The Eagles were unhappy with the size of the changerooms at the only proper AFL match Blacktown hosted last year. The fans also turned away because of a lack of seating. The AFL was somewhat naive.

          • Roar Guru

            January 9th 2013 @ 12:17pm
            Redb said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

            I dont think the AFL was naive I think they opted for Blacktown as it was the best option at the time to get a toehold and then better offer via the NSW Government came along. I have it on good authority that the NSW Govt saw Skoda as a deal clincher for the AFL to create a second team in Sydney and made them an offer they could not refuse.

            The downside was the early dialogue about building Blacktown as the base would be seen as back tracking.

            In a few years it will be irrelevant when they start winning.

            • Roar Guru

              January 9th 2013 @ 2:41pm
              apaway said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:41pm | ! Report


              The Giants may have to assess the cost of their abandonment. Blacktown is ahugely populous area and continues to grow, plus it encompasses the north-west and Hills areas of Sydney which are still growing, and have an existing strong Australian Rules culture.

              Homebush – not so much.

              • Roar Guru

                January 9th 2013 @ 2:58pm
                Redb said | January 9th 2013 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

                The location of the stadium is important but given GWS represents an area much bigger than Blacktown and its capacity is sub 10,000 I don’t think it is suitable in the longer term anyway.

                How far is it from the Hills area to Blacktown v homebush?

                WSW play their home games at Parramatta does this mean those from Penrith, Liverpool or Campbelltown won’t go? no.

              • Roar Guru

                January 9th 2013 @ 4:04pm
                mds1970 said | January 9th 2013 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

                Redb, Blacktown is closer but the road & public transport access to Homebush is better.

              • January 10th 2013 @ 8:54am
                jb said | January 10th 2013 @ 8:54am | ! Report

                for those not in Sydney, homebush is west OF sydney but it is not seen as being IN western sydney. Parramatta is central to most of western sydney with direct access from all directions and more importantly, it is seen to be IN western sydney.

                When the WSW were consulting with the community there was a huge push from the fans to play anywhere BUT homebush as it is not seen as being in their backyard. With the GWS moving out to homebush, this was seen as an abandonment of the west and they are western only by name.

              • Roar Guru

                January 10th 2013 @ 9:11am
                Redb said | January 10th 2013 @ 9:11am | ! Report


                I refer you to this article today:

                WSW are aiming to be bigger than Collingwood, do you think they will stay play at Parramatta?? Even if they are half the size of Collingwood in a few years they will outgrow that stadium very quickly and guess where they will be playing their home games….

                What then? your arugment is lying shattered on the virtual floor.

          • January 9th 2013 @ 12:46pm
            PGNEWC said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

            Plus the fact that it was locally politically motivated in that Blacktown council were miffed that they were left out of League and Football plans previously unlike other councils such as Campbelltown– they turned to the AFL as a sort of revenge — well the jokes on them as the AFL used them and discarded them as posters on the Roar previously predicted

        • Roar Guru

          January 9th 2013 @ 12:13pm
          mds1970 said | January 9th 2013 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

          Blacktown was never intended to be the venue for regular season games. It was designed to be the Giants’ training and admin base.

          Unfortunately what went wrong was that they underestimated the impact that sharing the facility with cricket would have – training drills restricted to protect the wicket square, and of course various cricket matches being played. It’s something we’re seeing across the league; for example, Essendon moving their training base to Tullamarine, and the Richmond Cricket Club being booted out of Punt Rd so the Tigers can train there year-round.
          Which meant the Giants had to a nomadic circuit of training at venues like Bruce Purser Reserve and Gipps Rd Oval during the pre-season; and sometimes doing sessions on baseball grounds because they couldn’t get an oval.
          For this pre-season, and future ones, they’ve secured a facility at Homebush where they have the run of the facilities whenever they want. Once cricket season finishes, they’ll do some sessions at Blacktown.

          The Giants will continue to use Blacktown for their junior academy. The AFL also use it for NEAFL & AFL Sydney matches and junior carnivals. It certainly hasn’t been abandoned, although its usage has changed.

    • January 9th 2013 @ 8:08am
      JAJI said | January 9th 2013 @ 8:08am | ! Report

      Those AFL crowd figures and memberships are inflated. Go and compare the dough the AFL has spent on starting up AFL in Sydney’s West to the shoestring budget the FFA have spent on WSW. Football is miles ahead – and always will be. Its Rugby League and Football territory Sydney’s West despite Demetriou’s millions he continues to throw at the game

      The AFL diehards can spin this all they want. Year One AFL in Western Sydney was a shambles. Meanwhile the Wanderers go from strength to stength

    • January 9th 2013 @ 8:37am
      Desert Qlder said | January 9th 2013 @ 8:37am | ! Report

      No surprise to see the responses by the AFL zealots to the hard truths presented in this article, blinded as they are by the sense of importance they believe their sport to possess.

      Unfortunately for AFL, ‘playing it cool’ has never been the style of that organisation. With all guns blazing they clearly presented themselves as some sort of missionaries in an unholy land. As a result, they have spurned residents living in the area who can clearly see through the bluster. The AFL have to learn they will never get anywhere by treating people like idiots.

      Surely the attendance figures quoted by AFL sources are not seriously being taken into consideration. Anyone with a discerning eye can tell that pictures of GWS crowds do not match the stated numbers.

      But then again who am I to tell the AFL proponents what to believe on this issue. By all means go ahead believing that the Giants are making any real impact in the region.

      • January 9th 2013 @ 10:14am
        I am Curious said | January 9th 2013 @ 10:14am | ! Report

        “The AFL have to learn they will never get anywhere by treating people like idiots.”

        Alan Jones treats the people out in Western Sydney as idiots and he has a huge following of listeners from this demographic, no?

      • January 9th 2013 @ 5:27pm
        AFLer said | January 9th 2013 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

        don’t tell us aleague crowds are reportedly truthfully
        even naive kids will tell u that except for mvfc and maybe wsw all other crowds are massively inflated.

        The reason given for inflated nos. That the majority crowd are sitting on the non broadcast side of the ground.

        • Roar Guru

          January 9th 2013 @ 9:36pm
          The Bush said | January 9th 2013 @ 9:36pm | ! Report

          Yes it’s all a conspiracy…

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