Is Liam Gill the new David Croft?

By FantasyTips1 / Roar Rookie

Week one of the Super Rugby trials is already done and dusted. Anyone reading into the form of teams in trials surely must realize that this is only marginally better at reading the form off the back of a charity match – somewhat futile.

A bunch of players being blooded for the first time, substitutions galore and new combinations being forged means that any sort of rhythm in the game is scarce.

So when trying to analyze a team’s chances for the upcoming competition, one must compare it to judging the performance of a Formula 1 car by listening to sound the key makes when entering the ignition.

The headlines and main talking points read the all same – Izzy did this, Quade did that, James O’Connor and Kurtley Beale unite etc.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to hear about these guys, and it’s particularly refreshing to hear the positivity of many of the comments, however it leaves little to no limelight for the 50 other odd players.

You’d think, being a former prop, I’d be use to this sort of treatment, but someone needs to stand up for the unsung heroes forwards in this day and age.

And no, these forwards I speak of aren’t just props.

One of the few comments that did come to my attention from the Reds match was the impressive form the young Reds flanker Liam Gill when playing the Blues over the weekend.

After only being brought on after the half time break, he featured prominently across the park in both attack and defence.

While point scoring is not the sole indicator of performance, he managed to snare two of the seven tries scored by the Reds in an open game of end-to-end action.

His continued development over the past couple of years has reinforced to me that this kid is going to be something great, and a Wallaby for years to come. The bloke has got talent oozing from his pores.

But in thinking that I came upon the realisation that he’s an open-side flanker… in a country where talent is richer a good deal of other positions.

A good mate of mine highlighted to me that he’s barely scraping the ripe old age of 20; he’s still got room to grow and bulk to build.

He could be a second rower or number 8 yet. While this is by all means possible (and praying it to be true for Gill’s sake), I fear he might become the next David Croft.

Being a Queenslander and fellow Terrace boy back in the 90s, I was brought up in school being told that David Croft was the next big thing in Australia Rugby.

When he graced the field for the first XV at school and then subsequently for the Reds, he was a game changer in every sense of the word.

Coming through the junior representative levels, he had Wallaby written all over him. This was further backed up by him winning Australian Super Rugby Rookie of the Year Award in 2001 playing for the Reds.

While neither flashy nor starry in his performances, he consistently carried more than his weight in a Reds team that was plagued with mediocrity in the 2000s.

His performances weren’t a stellar year here or there and ordinary in the others – he was consistently one of, if not the strongest Reds performer, week in, week out.

He was primed for greater honours, however he happened to come through at a time where Australia was blessed with the talents of George Smith and Phil Waugh.

As a Reds fan, I myself am acutely aware that I am biased in my assessment of Crofty.

With all the above being said, I’m fully conscious of the fact that George Smith was certainly in a class of his own during this period.

Modern day pundits of the game struggle to think of any comparisons for Richie McCaw, with Smith usually being mentioned as the closest.

Phil Waugh was also a terrific breakaway, and while perhaps not up to George Smith’s ability, he certainly wasn’t out of place in a Wallabies outfit.

His talent far exceeded his 5’9” stature.

But I always felt for Crofty – toiling endlessly at the woeful Reds during this period seemed a thankless task.

While the Eales’, Herberts and Lathams rotated out of the Red and into the Gold in the twilight years of their career, there Crofty remained at Ballymore, left to wonder what could have been.

Perhaps if we kept it at 20 side as they did pre-1877 then perhaps we could accommodate George, Phil and David, but in reality there is only room for two in the line-up (at most).

Ironically, or perhaps eerily, Gill just graduated from the same school as Crofty a couple of years back and many predicted he was being fast tracked for Wallaby greatness.

I fear history may be repeating.

The current Wallaby set-up is clearly built around Pocock and Hooper featuring as the premier open-side flankers in Australian Rugby.

Don’t get me wrong, by no means am I saying that the pecking order as it currently stands, Pocock-Hooper-Gill, is inaccurate.

One only has to remember the influence Pocock had on the Springboks last World Cup or look back at performances Hooper churned out time and again in most recent European tour in order to validate their standings. These two are both freakishly talented.

While comparisons over different time periods are difficult, I feel it’s not outrageous to think that had Crofty hit his prime a different time, he may very well have made it as a consistent member of the Wallabies.

As it was, he hung up the boots with just five Wallabies caps.

Interesting to note, Gill has already racked up eight caps so there is still hope yet.

I’ve heard it all before, “the depth in Australian Rugby isn’t there”, “things aren’t like back at the turn of the century”, and the every assortment of comment about the ‘Wobblies’.

While every position on the rugby field can be categorized as ‘important’, having a world-class flanker has been a feature of the majority of champion teams.

Time will tell as to how the three-way duel will pan out.

Who knows – one of them might head to the greener (no pun intended) pastures overseas, leaving the others behind and thus solving the problem (ala George Smith’s move in 2009).

For the time being though, with the 3 current top-tier open-sides being 24, 21, and 20 there are certainly many more chapters to this saga.

One thing is for sure – it’s certainly a good problem to have.

The Crowd Says:

2013-02-05T09:41:33+00:00

Pollock

Guest


Have a real problem with you putting Geo Smith and Phil Waugh in the same class. Smith was world class, Waugh cod ordinary.

2013-02-05T07:07:27+00:00

The Bus

Guest


Gill an Croft have only two things in common. They both wear 7 and they went to the same school. At just 20, Gill has a broader skill set and has a bigger impact on matches than Crofty did at the peak of his powers. It is way to early to rule Gill the long term understudy to the incumbents. Given another 12 to 24 months to develop, I wouldn't be too surprised if he was our first choice 7. The reason for this is that Gill had the most well rounded game of the three of them. He was number one in pilfers last year, while his attacking flare is just starting to emerge. He will never be as strong as Pocock or have the acceleration of Hooper, but that doesn't mean he can't be a better all round footballer...

2013-02-05T07:07:24+00:00

rl

Guest


Nice read - hoping my own boy will get into GT! Crofty was a loyal warrior for the Reds, and indeed was unfortunate to have some very good players in front of him. Might be my own bias showing, but I reckon it was a split hair between he and Phil Waugh. Hooper got his chance, and really grabbed it by the horns. But injuries and poor form happen - its just a matter of whether Gill is ready if/when his opportunity comes.

2013-02-05T06:55:45+00:00

rl

Guest


Remember Pocock (like Hooper) played in the centres as a junior before migrating into the pack (played 12 at Churchie outside Q Cooper). So basically has never stuck his head in a scrum, and would be coming up against blokes who have been raised on the "dark arts" of front row play. Despite his obvious talents, strength and dedication, sounds like a very big learning curve. I don't mean to decry your idea - plenty of hookers have moonlighted as flankers (and most certainly fancy themselves as one!) but it rarely seems to go the other way. Plus Pocock is almost unparalleled as a pilferer, and locking him away in the tight 5 would detract from that.

2013-02-05T06:37:24+00:00

Handles

Guest


A dose of reality has been injected into the nostalgia. Crofty was a Qld great, but 5 caps for Australia represents 5 times we were in injury trouble. Gill already has three times as many Australian jumpers. Incidentally, Wikipedia (which is never wrong) has them being the same height!

2013-02-05T06:05:06+00:00

RebelRanger

Guest


Australias answer to Du Plessis.. there might be some merit to this. Although I am a back so no idea how realistic this might be.

2013-02-05T06:03:04+00:00

RebelRanger

Guest


Beefcake of the Breakdown, did you come up with that? I like and will be using it..

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2013-02-05T02:47:54+00:00

FantasyTips1

Roar Rookie


Interesting you say that with regard to the line-out jumping proposition. He's actually only marginally taller than Pocock (Pocock at 184cm vs Gill at 185cm accordingly to Wiki). Another option is to someone groom Pocock into a hooker which on face value, sounds ridiculous, but he's the same height as Stephen Moore and proven to be as strong as an Ox

2013-02-05T00:23:31+00:00

Shungmao

Guest


I think Gill will be improve by miles not meters. In my opinion he offers something pocock and hooper don't which is another line out jumping option. The Reds have been spending a lot of time jumping him at the back of the line out in the pre season, this will add to his impressive range if skills. Sure he as a long way to go but I think he will right up there.

2013-02-04T22:54:22+00:00

The Battered Slav

Guest


I think Gill could potetnially be groomed for a role at 6 if he can add to his bulk and play the role of an enforcer. I've not seen enough of him to know whether this is possible, but from what I have seen, he does appear to be a fairly versatile player who is not just a ground hog pure and simple. There has been talk of shifting Pocock to 6 and Hooper in at 7. With this set up, Gill could comfortably sit on the bench to cover either 6 or 7, dependent on his bulking up. I quite like this idea personally, but then again I like anything that gets Pocock and Hooper on the field at the same time.....

2013-02-04T21:01:37+00:00

Train Without A Station

Guest


Exactly right. Gill shouldn't even get near the current Wallaby squad because there is simply no room for 3 specialist 7s. Very unfortunate as his quality in his position is probably better than some in their own who are in the starting 15. I don't really see Liam developing into another position however as his best attributes seem suited to 7, and he is unlikely to grow any taller which constrains him as really too small to be a 6 or 8. If only he had been a quality 13 at the moment... Could do with one of them....

2013-02-04T20:06:42+00:00

Red Block

Guest


I'm glad you declared that Croft was a mate of yours because otherwise I would've accused of being nostalgic. Croft tried hard but rarely turned defence into attack or slowed the ball down at the breakdown. He was a journeyman and his Wallaby representation reflected this. He bled a lot though and for this we loved him! Gill, on the other hand, has the makings of a superstar. If Pocock, aka the Beefcake of the Breakdown, cannot increase his speed around the paddock and making the darting runs like Hooper and Gill, then we may see a changing of the guard at 7.

2013-02-04T19:27:10+00:00

Who Needs Melon

Roar Guru


Yep, I think if both Hooper and Pocock were injured at the moment, we'd all know that Gill would serve us perfectly proud at 7 for the Wallabies - and probably be up there for man of the match fairly often. Whereas in other spots (like 10, 12, 13 and maybe 6 and 8) there seems to be only one reasonable choice (if that!). I feel for Gill. And Hooper too because who knows when he will play for the Wallabies again despite killing it last season. But Croft and Waugh are probably good players for them to emulate in dealing with the situation - i.e. neither gave up and headed overseas - they stuck to it and are remembered as champions by many regardless of how many games they played for the Wallabies.

2013-02-04T16:13:50+00:00

Jamiej

Guest


Dunno, but I reckon Gill is a bit more versatile than Croft. He's bigger and seems to have more tohis game than just ball stealing-Crofy was solely a 7, but Gill doesn't look out of place at 6..

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