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There will never be another Sachin

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    Some sporting records appear written in stone, unlikely ever to be surpassed – Cal Ripken’s 2632 consecutive games in US Major League Baseball and St George’s 11 consecutive rugby league titles are an example.

    In cricket, there has always been Don Bradman’s Test average of 99.94 and more recently Muttiah Muralitharan’s 800 Test wickets, both marks that seem unlikely to ever be touched.

    In the near future we are going to see the curtain drawn on another sporting career and when the final bow is taken a set of numbers will be etched into the history books that almost certainly will remain unchallenged.

    The career in question is that of Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar.

    What Tendulkar will finally achieve by way of numbers will stand the test of time. As the years pass they will be looked upon with even greater awe.

    But, like so many sporting records, the bare numbers do not do justice to the whole. In Tendulkar’s case that is surely the truth.

    No other sportsperson has ever carried such personal pressure on a regular basis when they enter the fray.

    In India, a land that largely worships the Hindu faith, a faith that encompasses some 300 million deities, Tendulkar is a living, breathing, walking god in the eyes of many of his countrymen.

    A wag tweeted as much when Tendulkar reached his epic 100-international centuries milestone, saying “Could we please stop comparing God and Sachin. I mean he’s a great guy and really amazing and all, but he’s just not Sachin.”

    One of the most spine-tingling sensations in sport is to be present at an Indian Test ground when the second wicket falls in the home side’s innings.

    There is a deafening silence that falls over the ground shortly after the wicket falls and it remains so until the first glimpse of Tendulkar’s blue helmet makes its appearance down the race.

    What follows is a cacophony of sound that escorts the ‘Little Master’ all the way to the middle.

    Every shot is then met with applause, from relief at keeping out a good ball to sheer frenzy when he strikes a boundary.

    And then, the moment – the dismissal.

    From a scene of seemingly uncontrollable noise and chaos, the ground is suddenly enveloped by the most eerie silence as the crowd realizes HE has been dismissed.

    For the first 20-odd paces of Tendulkar’s return to the pavilion there is barely a sound as those in the stadium come to terms with the demise of their idol.

    And then, the roar starts again, and by the time he has reached the boundary’s edge the decibel level mirrors that which greeted him when he strode out.

    On the field Tendulkar is as talkative as Harpo Marx, allowing his blade to be his voice and it is a voice that more often than not has a deep and resonant tenor to it.

    To the naked eye when you watch him bat you always seem to have the feeling his blade is wider than everyone else’s.

    It is only when they introduced super ‘slo-mo’ technology into the coverage of the sport that I realized why – unlike nearly every other batsman, Tendulkar’s bat never seems to twist in his hand at the point of contact.

    It is as if his wrists are made of steel.

    While the fans exalt his every success with vigour and unbridled adulation, the man himself is always understated.

    The Tendulkar celebration lacks the frenzied and choreographed salutations that so often accompany the successes of the modern-day athlete.

    But there is always the customary gaze to the heavens that has marked each of Tendulkar’s myriad milestones since the passing of his father some years ago.

    To look at him whilst he is plying his craft is to gaze upon someone who appears to have been personally touched by divinity.

    From his international debut at age 16, in a Test against Pakistan in Karachi, he has displayed the skills of a Medici court sculptor, seemingly incapable of playing an ugly shot.

    From his early teens he made batting appear as natural as breathing.

    It is hard to watch any lengthy innings by him without one’s eyebrows getting a stitch.

    Whilst there is little doubt he possesses an inherent, God-given talent, he has also worked with monastic devotion over the years to continually hone his skills.

    I will long remember an afternoon at the MA Chidambaram Stadium at Chennai in March 2001.

    Jim Maxwell and myself were in the ABC commentary box awaiting the installation of our broadcast lines for the start of the Test the following day.

    At the same time the Indian team was having a net session on the pitches near the boundary edge.

    By his own high standards, Tendulkar’s output in the series to that point had been modest – 76 and 65 in Mumbai and 10 and 10 in the famous come from behind win at Kolkata.

    With the series level at 1-all with one to play it was all on the line.

    Slowly the Indian squad completed their training session and grabbed their bags and headed to the team bus – not Tendulkar.

    It was if he felt he had to perform in the final Test, as much for himself as his team.

    For more than 45 minutes after his last teammate departed he remained there honing his technique, facing an assortment of net bowlers and other ring-ins.

    Finally, he had had enough – satisfied that his preparation was as it should be.

    In that deciding Test he made 126 and his side won by two wickets to claim the series.

    As the years mounted he reinvented himself at the crease but never did he lose the ability to produce the awe-inspiring shot that will live long in the memory.

    At the crease, no matter the ferocity of the attack or the conditions in which he finds himself, Tendulkar never appears to be rushed – it is as if he somehow has the mystical ability to slow the game down in his own favour.

    The ease with which he dispatches bowlers to all points of the compass belies his physical appearance, a mere 165cm (5’5”) tall, like Theseus slaying the Minotaur.

    His trademark shot through the leg side is performed with the effortlessness of a man flicking lint of his trousers.

    Nearing 40 years of age, Tendulkar is in the twilight of his career, albeit a twilight that has been akin to an English mid-summer’s day.

    In 2010, the Mumbai Maestro had statistically his most dominant 12 months in Test ranks – 1562 runs at 78, with seven centuries from 14 matches – a staggering feat for a man who was in his 22nd year at international level.

    Since then the cricketing gods have not been as kind to him, with his last Test century over two years ago against South Africa at Cape Town.

    But in the opening Test against Australia in Chennai he batted with the assurance, footwork and ease of old before falling for 81.

    In the second innings he dispatched Nathan Lyon for twin sixes first up.

    Hyderabad will be his 196th Test appearance.

    He continues to cast a disproportionate shadow across the sport but just how much longer he continues to mesmerize fans will no doubt become the next obsession of the tens of millions of ‘Tendulkarphiles’.

    But, whenever the sun does finally set on the little man’s career, his deeds will live on forever, many of them destined never to be eclipsed.

    One day I was sitting behind Harsha Bhogle in a commentary box in India while he was doing a stint on air for the ABC.

    His co-commentator asked him what he would remember most about Tendulkar when he did eventually retire.

    Harsha responded by saying it would not be a single shot or a defining innings but the way he conducted himself throughout his career, stating that he had never refused an autograph or photo and never had a harsh word for anyone despite the enormous pressures on him as he lived the ultimate fishbowl existence.

    In all ways Sachin Tendulkar is a one-off.

    Let’s all savour these final moments while we can.

    Glenn Mitchell
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    After 21 years as a sports broadcaster with the ABC, since mid-2011 Glenn Mitchell has been freelancing in the electronic and written media. He is an ambassador for mental health in Australia, and tweets from @mitchellglenn.

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    • February 28th 2013 @ 4:38am
      Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 4:38am | ! Report

      A good article Glen. Reasons why I think there will never be another Sachin is all the modern player welfare stuff.

      A prodigy in team sports at least anyway, will never be rushed into the national team anymore until they are 18.

      But cricket will get less and less under 18’s playing for the national teams. No more Tendulkars, Shahid Afridi’s, Waqar Younis, aaqib javed’s, beng like 15 or 16 ,17. No more teenagers in other words, but adults 18 and over.

      But the point is prodigies are becoming less and less compared to the old days, as player welfare becomes more of an issue for young players who don’t want to risk burn out.

      A good article Glen Sachin is a little master, some say he is a flat track bully, he is great against spin and sometimes if you are not as good vs pace you are seen as a flat track bully.

      Sachin Tendulkar plays pace well, but not as good as Laxman, or Brian Lara.

      Maybe the 2nd best ODI batsmen ever after Viv Richards , he is a contender Tendulkar no doubt about that one.

      And top 10 test batsmen since 1950 no doubt about it.

      Interesting stats on Tendulkar when Glen Mcgrath played in tests for Australia

      Sachin Tendulkar played 9 test matches against an Australian side that also contained Glenn McGrath, scored 662 runs at an average of 36.77 in his 18 innings with 2 centuries, 5 fifties and couple of ducks.

      Overall, Sachin has 31 tests against Australia = 3151 runs at an average of 60.59 from 59 innings with 11 century and 13 fifties.

      But a big drop in runs when Glen Mcgrath played, read into that any way you want, he is not a flat track bully but Mcgrath’s presence is certainly there.

      Brian Lara has made 2000 runs, in 42 complete innings in Tests where McGrath has played, an average of 47.16. And Lara doe splay spin well too, not as well as Tendulkar but still well.

      And Tendulkar averages only 33.66 vs matches Alan Donald played in

      4 6 0 202 111 33.66

      And only a batting average of 32 in test matches that Wasim Akram played in

      The only truly great fast bowler Sachin has had some success against is Curtly Ambrose.
      But Sachin never faced Ambrose (or the West Indian attack) at their peak. He played only one Test series against Ambrose, that too in 1997, on the dead pitches of the Carribbean (4 of the 5 Tests ended in draws).

      Ambrose was 35 years old and past his best, but the pitches were so flat and dead as west indies pitches had become like that. Just check out the 2009 England VS West Indies series in the caribeen, such dead pitches with big 500 plus 1st innings totals.

      So Sachin is not as good as Lara or Sunil Gavaskar, or Dulip Vengsarker, or Laxman vs pace bowling, but he is very good vs spin, which has to count. The 2nd best I have seen , only matched by the Asian Bradman Zaheer Abbhas the best player of spin I have seen highlights,. Pakistan’s Zaheer Abbhas has an amazing record vs Spin in India , when the Indian team had great spin attacks , Bishan Bedi, Prasana etc.

      But Sachin’s playing of spin makes him a top 10 best batsmen since 1950 no question about it, and very close to top 5.
      Just his weakness is he wasn’t dominant against team that had great fast bowlers as shown by his stat’s his only weakness, .
      The west Indies pitches as I said were flat tracks when he made runs vs a 35 yr old Curtley Ambrose, 4 of the 5 tests in that series ended in draws.

      A great player no doubt , but in my opinion not as good a Test match batsmen as Kallis who by the way averages 72 in India. And Viv Richards and Lara I rate higher, and Steve Waugh, and Alan Border, Grahame Gooch (made big runs vs the west indies in there prime), and a few others but not many.

      India’s Vengsarker made big runs too as did India’s Gavaskar did vs the west indies in there prime with worse technology and bats, compared to today’s times with Tendulkar in the 90’s , and post millennium. A greet batsmen no doubt is Sachin Tendulkar.

      • February 28th 2013 @ 4:54am
        AndyMack said | February 28th 2013 @ 4:54am | ! Report

        johnno, u going to say Gooch was a better test player than Sachin?? Wow???

        I’m used to ur ramblings but some other newbies might be wondering what u r on about.

        • February 28th 2013 @ 5:15am
          Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:15am | ! Report

          Andy Mack some stats on Grahame Gooch : Graham Gooch played test cricket until he was 41 scored 8900 test runs in 118 matches played test cricket for 20 years 1975-95 42.5 batting average, he was past it in his final ASHES series 1994/5 aged 41 and a half , but he was an awesome batsman who made big runs, vs big teams, in big series vs the best fast bowlers in the world.

          And far higher batting averages vs the great west indies attacks, and bowlers like Ambrose, and Alan Donald, and he did well vs spin.
          VS West Indies in there prime, when bats and protective gear were not as good as the 90’s and post 2000
          1980-1991 26 test matches (a massive amount of tests vs great fats bowling 2197runs 154* 44.83 batting average

          So his batting average Andy Mack didn’t dip vs the great west indies attacks, it went slightly up and on really tough pitches too in the 80’s, and early 90’s vs great west indies attacks.

          5 hundreds

          And we are talking facing the likes of Malcom Marshall,Micheal Holding, Joel Garner, Andy Roberts, Patrick,Patterson,Courtney Walsh, Ian bishop, Curtley Ambrose, all when they were in there prime.

          Gooch averages

          1980-1993 9 tests 591 127 42.21 batting average in India

          So on the balance, Graham Gooch played world class pace bowling much better than Tendulkar did, and played spin very strongly too Andy Mack, so both are important. The stats prove Gooch played pace bowling better as I have given by long top post and this post.

          Like I said look at the stats on Espn cricket info, and other websites, when Tendulkar played teams with top fast bowlers (Mcgrath, Wasim Akram, Alan Donald,), when he played Australia.Pakistan,South Africa with these guys in it dipped right down his averages, Gooch vs the great west indies sides did not and he had to face the might of them 26 times and held his own a 44.8 batting average, with out as good protection helmets, pads, and bats that Tendulkar had.

          And in the 1 series he did face greta fast bowling, in 1997 in the Caribbean vs a 35 yr old past his best Curtley Ambrose, the pitches were roads 4 out of the 5 tests ended in draws. Done Andy Mack, so the stat’s don’t lie.

          And Kallis avarages 72 in India as well great statistic.

        • Roar Guru

          February 28th 2013 @ 5:19am
          peeeko said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:19am | ! Report

          absolutely hysterical, gooch better than Sachin!

          • February 28th 2013 @ 5:24am
            Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:24am | ! Report

            Gooch 333 and 123 in 1 match vs India in 1990. . peeko did you not read my posts on Grahame Gooch vs the great west indies attacks, and read my stats on Tendulkar when facing teams that had world class attacks.

            And you read my example of the myth of Tendulakr’s record vs Ambrose and the actual facts of that series, and the age of Ambrose, and the roads of that series 4 out of the 5 tests were draws. Go read the stats for yourself.

            Gooch was a top class cricketer, and he is in Tendulkar’s league, his stats are far better vs great fast bowling, I am sorry many of you here are having trouble accepting that.

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              February 28th 2013 @ 5:29am
              peeeko said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:29am | ! Report

              the same Graham Gooch that averaged 33 against Australia over 42 test matches?

              • February 28th 2013 @ 5:48am
                Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:48am | ! Report

                The same Tendulakr who averages only 33 when Alan Donald played in matches vs him, and averaged,
                And only 32, in matches that Wasim Akram played in for Pakistan against India, and on flat sub-continent tracks, like in Chennai.
                And only 36 when Glen Mcgrath played in matches.

                And the same Gooch who could average 44 vs the west indies in there prime over 26 test matches opening the batting facing a brand new ball vs express pace and fresh bowlers steaming in, (Malcom Marshall,Holding,Joel Garner,Andy Roberts,Patrick Patterson,Courtney Walsh,Ian Bishop,Curtley Ambrose), and with less advanced bats and protective gear technology,
                and averaged 42 in India, so could hold his own vs both world class spin and fast bowling.

              • February 28th 2013 @ 2:26pm
                Matt F said | February 28th 2013 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

                Your stat about Akram is possibly the worst stat that I’ve ever seen. Akram only dismissed Tendulkar once so if he failed against Pakistan then it had almost nothing to do with Akram

      • March 2nd 2013 @ 4:23pm
        AM said | March 2nd 2013 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

        Stats in matches “including” XYZ bowlers are flawed because they include times batsmen are dismissed by other bowlers.

        So for eg. if Tendulkar scores a Duck in a match “including” Mcgrath but to another bowler – Mcgrath get’s the “credit.

        For eg.

        In the 1998 series vs. Pakistan – Tendulkar got out to Akram or Waqar ZERO times.
        But the “average” of his in matches “including” players will be poor coz that was a poor series.

        Incorrect use of stats and data.

    • February 28th 2013 @ 5:01am
      AndyMack said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:01am | ! Report

      Hi glenn

      The one thing that no one else has had to contend with (apart from maybe Bradman) is the fishbowl existance. He is an idol in India and not sure any of us can really appreciate what that is like.

      His two centuries in 1998 against aust were amazing. and his 100 in the deciding test in 2001, amazing as well. And his 2 hundreds he hit in the early 90’s against aust (forget the exact years, but remember the innings) were great.

      Still cannot beleive someone who played Test cricket in the 80’s is still playing. What a career.

      • February 28th 2013 @ 2:02pm
        arthur fonzarelli said | February 28th 2013 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

        Tendulkar is not the only one who has lived in a fishbowl.

        Graham Gooch cant buy a chicken korma in east london without signing autographs

        • February 28th 2013 @ 11:21pm
          Prasanth said | February 28th 2013 @ 11:21pm | ! Report

          @arthur fonarelli … Ha ha ha ha…
          We are not talking about fishbowl within a fishbowl here..
          We are discussing about fishbowl in a vast ocean called the planet..
          I don’t think Sachin can walk freely even in the Moon…, let alone ‘east london’…!!

    • February 28th 2013 @ 5:56am
      Tenash said | February 28th 2013 @ 5:56am | ! Report

      Anybody who takes Johnno seriously is well… i wouldn’t like to say it.

      Don’t think Johnno is a troll but he just tries too hard to put it politely !

      What the f=+k does the point abt Mcgrath even mean ?

      That point only makes any sense if Mcgrath got Sachin out every single time & we all know thats a blatant lie

      • February 28th 2013 @ 6:10am
        Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:10am | ! Report

        Tenash , my point is simple, .

        In matches that Tendulkar played in vs quality fast bowlers in there prime, Alan Donald ,Glen Mcgrath, Wasim Akram, his average drops way down to 32-36 batting average.

        Where as Grahame Gooch averages 44 over 26 test matches vs the west Indies in there prime, and facing 4 world class quicks in that team i might add. You would know Tenash when 2 bowlers bowl in tandmem they are deadlier and better, Gooch made all those runs int he 80’s, vs the west indies when facing 4 per innings, tougher pitches than even the 90′, not as good bats or protective gear technology as Tendulkar had. So his stats are more impressive, massively vs world class fast bowling.

        And he handles spin well too, he averages 42 in India.

        so balance you have to see both fast bowling and spin bowling, and Gooch is the better balanced player overall , as Tendulakr is better vs spin, but Gooch creams him vs world class fast bowling.

        The stats are there to prove it.

        So many people just can’t accept Tendulakr’s frailties, and that he didn’t produce top results vs the great fast bowlers of the World.
        Averaging 32-36 batting avarage vs the world class fast bowlers when they played in the test match that Tendulakr played in, is exactly that average. And when you look at Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarker, and Gooch, much better stats, and in a tougher pitches era and less technologically advanced time in the 80’s. ANd facing 4 great west indies bowlers .

        You can’t deny it, the stats prove it. Gooch averaging 44 in the 1980’s vs 4 great bowlers all at once is phenomenal, and with not as good bats, tougher pitches, and not as good protective gear. And opening facing a rock hard new ball, when it’s hardest to face the new ball .

        • February 28th 2013 @ 6:24am
          AndyMack said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:24am | ! Report

          If your were arguing Kallis, Dravid, Lara or Waugh as better players than i might jump on board and at least listen. But Gooch Even Mrs Gooch (and prob the man himself) is on Sachins side in this debate.

        • February 28th 2013 @ 6:29am
          Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:29am | ! Report

          Also some other key stats on Tendulkar.

          1) MATCHES WHERE TEAMS SCORE GREATER THAN 600 RUNS: over 50% of matches
          where a team scores over 600 runs in the last ten years have been played in
          India. Indian pitches produce big scores.

          2)Tendulkar has never scored 500 runs in a test series ever. His highest is 493 vs Australia in 2007/8

          3)Tendulkar is a very average 4th innings specialist when assessing the all time greats.

          Ricky Ponting is the best of the last 30 years 1980-2013. Ponting averages 59

          Tendulkar is only 33, and this is in the time, where he has played a lot of cricket post 2000 on easier pitches.

          Openers Geoff Boycott and Sunil Gavaskar both average 58. But Ricky Ponting is no 1 , best 4th innings player of the last 40 years


          -So match saving, or match chasing in the 4th innings is not a speciality of Sachin Tendulkar unlike ricky Ponting coming in at no 3 too mind you, where as Tendulkar has batted at no 4 most of his career.

          Mike Atherton is impressive too,.

          • February 28th 2013 @ 6:35am
            Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:35am | ! Report

            Andy Mack you still have not faced up to any of my stats, about Gooch, or Gavasakar’s record vs the great west indies teams, compared to when Tendulkar has faced great fast bowling, and examples as i have provided the stats.
            You are just denying that they are great, Tendulkar’s record vs world class fast bowling is only average and all the stats prove it, just go and look them up yourself.

            Oh an check out Grahame Smith’s stats in the 4th innings impressive highly


            • February 28th 2013 @ 8:43am
              Jayden said | February 28th 2013 @ 8:43am | ! Report

              Wasn’t Tendulkar younger than 22 when he faced the great windies?

              Most batsmen aren’t near their prime until 28-30

              So you’re basically arguing a young Tendulkar wasn’t better than an in his prime Gooch…

              4 matches at 32 against Donald/Pollock doesn’t compare to 26 matches at 33 which the Gooch managed against Australia

              • February 28th 2013 @ 9:07am
                Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:07am | ! Report

              • February 28th 2013 @ 9:19am
                Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:19am | ! Report

                Nonsense players peak at different times. Viv Richards, Alan Border,Martin Crowe, all younger than 28 when peaking or near there prime, some played fade by 28-30. Brian Lara made his double hundred at 23 years of age, and all those other big hundreds in county cricket and vs England.

                Tendulkar never faced the great windies attacks of the 80’s, and early 90’s,

                Look at this thread for some more compelling stats.

                Grahame Gooch 154 not out vs wets Indies at Leeds the mighty west indies attack in 1991

                Is ranked by wisden as the 3rd best test innings ever

                On the ICC all time top 25 batting rankings Tendulkar is not there.

                Ponting is ranked 3rd, Sachin doesn’t even make the top 25

                2003 world cup final Sachin only scored 4, in the 2011 world cup final in India Sachin only scored 18

                And just read a roar article on Sachin too about him being overrated by a Roar Guru no less Jayden


                My top 10 in the last 25-28 years

                1)Viv RIchards
                3)Steve Waugh
                6)Alan Border
                7)Graham Smith
                8)Sangakarra (Averages 55, and averages 60 in Australia and most of time has been wicket-keeper and batted in the top 6 often at 3 and has scored 10,000 test runs

              • February 28th 2013 @ 9:48am
                planko said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:48am | ! Report

                This 28 to 30 thing is a myth that is driven by our current selection methods …

              • February 28th 2013 @ 10:13am
                clipper said | February 28th 2013 @ 10:13am | ! Report

                Johnno – I can appreciate your points and agree that Sachin automatically should not be placed at No. 1, as he is not that far ahead of several players in your top 10 (Kallis has a better average) – but he should at least be in the top 3!

            • February 28th 2013 @ 1:50pm
              Nick Inatey said | February 28th 2013 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

              Johnno, I’ve read much of your arguments…most border somewhere between jealous laden insanity and psychopathic.

              But there is no way you can rate Steve Waugh higher than Tendulkar. There is no statistical, anecdotal or visual evidence to suggest this?

              Steve Waugh spent his career at 5/6. Steve Waugh has an inflated average due to higher not outs, due to batting low.

              You talk about Tendulkar never having a 500 run series. Steve Waugh played for 19 years and never hit 1000 runs in a calendar year. And Australia play vastly more tests than other countries (save for England).

              Steve Waugh was never really capable of breaking apart an attack…just someone who stuck it out. Tendulkar has repeatedly done both.

              Steve Waugh faced only the Windies…never had to face the Australian attack…ever. People just dont realise how hard it was to face Warne, McGrath and have Gillespie/Fleming/Kasprowicz/Lee etc as the third strike bowler. Only the best had that opportunity.

              Warne has a shocking bowling record in India…should we strike him from the bowling hall of fame? And Murali’s record in Australia was appaling. We should just forget these two hack bowlers.

              Johnno, no one is perfect across the board. Even a few bowlers had Bradman’s measure.

              To play 193 tests and maintain a 55 average is freakish. Live with it.

              • Roar Guru

                February 28th 2013 @ 6:05pm
                JGK said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:05pm | ! Report

                Not outs don’t necessarily boost an average.

              • February 28th 2013 @ 7:03pm
                Johnno said | February 28th 2013 @ 7:03pm | ! Report

                Nick Inatley

                Tendulkar played in a era where over 50% eg innings over 600 were played in India.

                And too down play Steve Waugh like this is nonsense, so many big series and Innings when it counted

                1989 Ashes series

                1993/4 3rd test Adelaide oval 164 , to be the driver in Australia drawing the series 1-1 all, after being 1-0 down. Big innings facing Alan Donald, FDevilliers, all with there tails up being 1-0 up pressure innings.

                1994 series in south africa he made some big runs at vital times

                1994 series in Pakistan he made a lot

                112 not out facing Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis at the GABBA in 1995

                VS South Africa in 1997 and south africa in australia big runs all facing Alan Donald

                And the 1995 west indies series series deciding knocks in 3rd and 4th tests, including 200 in the 4th test deciding match.

                Oh and I will add the 1999 ODI world cup vs South Africa.

                You done Nick Inatey, real matches big series on the line, the best bowlers in the world in there primes.

                Your people don’t realise how tough it was to face these guys argument , well steve waugh had to face Curtley Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Ian Bishop, Patrick Patterson,Malcom Marshall, and did make hundreds and 50’s.

                90 in Bribane in 1988 vs the west indies : Malcom Marshall,Ambrose,Walsh,Patrick Patterson

                then backed it up 2nd test, with 91 on the WACA the best track for fast bowlers in the world in and 1980’s pitch

                Plus 100 vs the west indies in 1992/3 in sydney

                Plus the massive scores in the west indies in 1995

                Plus 110 he scored in that epic 2nd test in Kolkata in 2001 so steve waugh could make runs in India and Pakistan, he made a 157 vs Pakistan in the 1998 series in Pakistan

                So hardly a man who is not in the true elite batsman, and all this achieved in the toughest places, toughest moments, toughest bowling attacks, 90’s pitches mainly, and making runs in India and Pakistan, and making runs both vs pace and spin.

                Steve Waugh is the man and right up there his performances in big matches prove it.

              • Roar Guru

                February 28th 2013 @ 9:19pm
                sheek said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:19pm | ! Report

                You know, the enormous number of stats that Johnno trots out, suggests he does an incredible amount of research.

                While his logic is difficult to follow at times, & I think this might be because his fingers can’t keep up with his mind, each of you ask yourself this question?

                Is your knowledge & research as expansive as Johnno’s?

                I don’t always agree with Johnno, but I do respect the amount of time & effort he must put into providing background to his answers.

                And heck, anyone who gets up between 3am & 4am to be the first to post on most articles ….. wow ….. that’s dedication!

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                March 1st 2013 @ 12:24am
                peeeko said | March 1st 2013 @ 12:24am | ! Report

                yes sheek, he seems to have a statistic for everything but the fact remains that Tendulkar averages 54 over 195 tests and gooch 42 over his 118 tests. sure there may be reasons why the gap is so wide and they may be closer than most people realise. remember Gooch played Australia 42 times and only averaged 33!. He seems to always want to represent a contrarian view which is fine, i can remember him rambling on that Pippen was as good as Jordan some time in the past as well

              • March 1st 2013 @ 12:38am
                Johnno said | March 1st 2013 @ 12:38am | ! Report

                peeko very disrespectful to pippin, jordan is better but the gap is way closer than you seem to give pippin credit for.

                Remember pippen won 6 titles, just like MJ, was part of dream team, his stats on may things like defence, rebounding, are just as impressive.

                His stats actually improved when MJ left, as he got more ball.

                And on sachin tendulkar like Matt Hayden, brilliant against Bangladesh and ZImbabwe boost his stats, up plus 50% of all matches where innings hit 600 were played in India, but against world class fast bowling sorry Peeko but Grahame Gooch’s are much better,

                You still have made no acknoldegment of Gooch’s great record vs the west indies in there prime, or steve waugh’s effort’s, you gloss over them, or Gavasakr’s records too.

                Just face it peeko Sachin’s records vs great fast bowling is average just deal with it, and stop living in rose-tined glasses about Sachin.

                And Micheal Jordan was a great basketballer, for me in the top 3 of all time, can’t decide who is no 1, but he was given far more overrated hype at times than what he actually was, but he was a great basketball player, no doubt about it, and I think you should look more closely at pippen’s career and read some threads on the internet about acottie pippen you might be pleasantly surprised by some of his all time great type statistics.

                And I will let you in on another Micheal Jordan stat, he was not a player who made player around him better, none of the players who played with Micheal Jordan at the chicago bulls, there stats never improved or went down when at Chicago or when they left Chicago, he was a dynamic individual , not a player who made team mates statistics get better or worse, and the stat’s prove it.

              • Roar Guru

                March 1st 2013 @ 12:55am
                peeeko said | March 1st 2013 @ 12:55am | ! Report

                did you ever check what Gooch’s record was against Dennis Lillee- 20 innings for an average of 18.6!
                i definitely am not looking at Tendulkar’s career with rose coloured glasses , i have been in many arguments with his supporters who believe he is better than Bradman. i believe that your stats have some validity but to say that Gooch was better than him is taking it a bit far

              • Roar Guru

                March 1st 2013 @ 1:00am
                peeeko said | March 1st 2013 @ 1:00am | ! Report

                also i didnt say anything disrespectful to pippen at all

              • March 2nd 2013 @ 4:32pm
                AM said | March 2nd 2013 @ 4:32pm | ! Report

                Stats in matches “including” XYZ bowlers are flawed because they include times batsmen are dismissed by other bowlers.

                So for eg. if Tendulkar scores a Duck in a match “including” Mcgrath but to another bowler – Mcgrath get’s the “credit.

                For eg.

                In the 1998 series vs. Pakistan – Tendulkar got out to Akram or Waqar ZERO times.
                But the “average” of his in matches “including” players will be poor coz that was a poor series.

                There’s lots of other examples such as Tendulkar getting dismissed by Cronje almost the same number of times as by Donald in the matches they played etc.

                I’ve posted some other examples lower down.

                Incorrect use of stats and data.

                Johno clearly has a Tendulkar phobia.

    • Columnist

      February 28th 2013 @ 9:29am
      Brett McKay said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:29am | ! Report

      Glenn, this is something I’ve put to Lordy several times, when he’s suggested that Tendulkar’s Test run tally will never be broken.

      My point is this: is it really that unfeasable??

      If a young batsman debuts at 20, plays 12 Tests a year, bats 20 times in that year, and averages the same as Tendulkar (54), over say a 17 year career, he’ll score somewhere in the vacinity of 18,000 Test runs. Even if he ONLY averages 50, he’ll still make 17,000 runs. Tendulkar is currently sitting on 15,739.

      My point is that with more cricket being played than ever, it’s getting more likely that these records – and you can add Murali’s 800 wickets to this, too – most certainly CAN be broken. I don’t think that’s a big stretch to imagine, either.

      Alistair Cook is only just 28, and is just under halfway to Tendulkar’s mark now. It’s not inconceivable that he could play another 8-10 years, push his average above 50 (it’s 49.4 now) and overtake Tendukar himself.

      I will certainly agree that Tendulkar’s ‘aura’ is a whole other kettel of fish, and indeed, the way he conducts himself is something that can’t really be measured and would take some topping anyway.

      But I’m just not sure his Test runs tally will remain unchallenged. Indeed, I’ve just shown it could be topped in the next decade…

      • Roar Guru

        February 28th 2013 @ 6:13pm
        JGK said | February 28th 2013 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

        I agree. Tendulkar didn’t actually play that many tests given how long he’s played international cricket.

        He and Mark Taylor, for instance, debuted around the same time but it took Tendulkar 3 years after Taylor retired to pass his test aggregate. It took him 4 years longer than Ponting to play his 148th test.

        Cook has actually played more Tests and scored more runs than Tendulkar at the same age even though he debuted 6 years older than Tendulkar.

      • Roar Guru

        February 28th 2013 @ 9:33pm
        sheek said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:33pm | ! Report

        Oh heck Brett,

        Sachin’s record will never be bettered because you & I both know test cricket will be dead in 10-15 years….. 🙂

        On a serious note, I’ve posted a racing article tonight. I was thinking of how the Melbourne Cup nearly fell to its knees because breeders & owners began concentrating on breeding sprinters & running sprint races instead of breeding stayers & running staying races.

        As the ultimate staying race, the Melbourne Cup was suffering from a lack of quality local horses who could run the distance. The Melbourne Cup was saved, in the nick of time, by the infusion of international horses, who have lifted its standard & profile.

        This is the danger of test cricket. Younger players are becoming proficient at T20, but gradually losing the skills to play test cricket. Ultimately, as the quality of test cricket drops (through neglect), so will interest in that form of the game.

        T20 is the equivalent of sprint races, mushrooming all over the place & squeezing out staying races.

        Test cricket is the equivalent of the Melbourne Cup, in danger of disappearing because stayers were no longer being bred or nurtured.

        Like the Melbourne Cup, what will prevent test cricket from receding into insignificance?

        Do we await test cricket loving Martians to drop in & remind us of how we should (& used to) play test cricket…..?

    • February 28th 2013 @ 9:31am
      Old Goalie said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:31am | ! Report

      St George’s record is only a rugby league record
      Skonto Riga (Latvia) has the record – 14 in a row

    • February 28th 2013 @ 9:39am
      planko said | February 28th 2013 @ 9:39am | ! Report

      Eventually all records get broken. Sachin’s is not different. One exception maybe the Don on averages … But an Australian will not beat Sachin till selection policy changes. This policy of needing a great first class record before selection has to end.

      • Columnist

        February 28th 2013 @ 10:02am
        Glenn Mitchell said | February 28th 2013 @ 10:02am | ! Report

        Planko, the landscape has changed dramatically towards the end of Tendulkar’s career. The introduction if IPL and its riches will have a significant impact as to how long players continue to represent their country. In the recent past that was the way made money. Nowadays many international players can earn more in a six-week stint in the IPL than an entire year representing their country. I think in the future we won’t see as many players go past 35 at Test level. I think Tendulkar’s and Murali’s records may not be bettered.

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