Hughes flops in Australian cricket struggle

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    Phil Hughes is facing a massive struggle to hold his place for the third Test in Mohali after his fourth consecutive flop of the series.

    Australia’s hope of saving the second Test are fading fast, however, after reaching 2-74 in their second innings at stumps on day three.

    The Australians need another 192 more runs to make the home side bat again in Hyderabad.

    Ed Cowan is 26 not out with Shane Watson on nine.

    Hughes was out for a duck on Monday — his second scoreless knock in four innings in the series — and he has just 25 runs at an average of 6.25.

    The South Australia batsman has been out to spin on all four occasions, three times to offspinner Ravi Ashwin.

    Hughes and David Warner (26) were both bowled by Ashwin after attempting sweep shots.

    India had resumed on 1-311 and were bowled out for 503 at tea for a first-innings lead of 266.

    Debutant offspinner Glenn Maxwell claimed 4-127 and left-arm spinner Doherty removed three tailenders in his 3-131 off 46.1 overs.

    “We came in today knowing we were up against it and we needed to put in a better day than yesterday,” Doherty said.

    “Today we took nine for 190 or something like that (9-192), which was a pleasing effort.

    But the damage was done yesterday so there’s still a lot of work for us to do to get ourselves back into the game.”

    Doherty didn’t take a wicket until his 43rd over and admitted his late flurry of three scalps was a confidence-booster after returning for his third Test and first since 2010.

    Spinner Xavier Doherty said he’s not even thinking about whether his three-wicket haul on Monday will be good enough to keep him in the team for the third Test against India.

    Australia dropped offspinner Nathan Lyon for the Hyderabad match.

    “Not even thinking about the third Test,” Doherty said.

    “It was pleasing in some ways to find a little bit of form during the spell.

    “But the selection and that stuff, we’ve got a couple of days to worry about here before that.

    “But Nathan is obviously a quality bowler and he’s shown that over the last 18 months.

    “I’ve got no doubt that he’ll play again.”

    The 370-run partnership between Murali Vijay (167) and Cheteshwar Pujara (204) is the highest by an Indian pair for the second wicket in Test cricket.

    No.5 Virat Kohli made 34 and skipper MS Dhoni clubbed 44 off 43 balls but India’s innings fell away with the last six wickets tumbling for 43 runs.

    Dhoni’s India side lead the four-match series one-nil.

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    • March 5th 2013 @ 6:14am
      Red Kev said | March 5th 2013 @ 6:14am | ! Report

      Ashwin to Hughes is somewhat reminiscent of Warne to Cullinan. The guy I feel most sorry for is poster Frankie Hughes, he has been so unrelenting in his support for Phil that it must be devastating to see him bamboozled so completely by spin.

      • March 5th 2013 @ 9:11am
        Praveen said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:11am | ! Report

        A much as I like Hughes we may have rushed him back too quickly, I don’t see Hughes being successful in India or the ashes

        • March 5th 2013 @ 9:57am
          cuzza said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:57am | ! Report

          he will tell you he will be successful, loves talking himself up.

        • March 5th 2013 @ 10:16am
          jameswm said | March 5th 2013 @ 10:16am | ! Report

          Nah I don’t think he was rushed back. I think he just can’t play in India, at least not right now. It’s a different game.

          • March 5th 2013 @ 11:06am
            James said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:06am | ! Report

            So … Ashwin to Hughes is like Warne to Cullinan.

            I thought Chris Martin to Hughes was like Warne to Cullinan – 41 balls, 11 runs and out 4 times.

            • March 5th 2013 @ 12:24pm
              dasilva said | March 5th 2013 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

              Nah Chris Martin to Hughes is like McGrath to Atherton

              So he is both the Cullinan to Warne and the Atherton to McGrath

              • March 5th 2013 @ 8:10pm
                Danny said | March 5th 2013 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

                No wonder he gets so confused about his footwork

      • March 5th 2013 @ 11:37am
        matt h said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:37am | ! Report

        Also Martin to Hughes

      • March 5th 2013 @ 9:43pm
        Frankie Hughes said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:43pm | ! Report

        A bit uncalled for Red Kev

        Phil should be withdrawn and sent to England with immediate effect.

        Get Khawaja in. Get Smith in(as Watson’d going home?)

        Get Clarke up to 3.

        • March 5th 2013 @ 9:52pm
          Red Kev said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

          I was trying to cheer you up!
          I actually like Hughes and want him to succeed at no.3, it’s obvious for the moment that we have to protect him from the subcontinent but it’s not like there aren’t another hundred Aussie cricketers who have all failed in India.

          • March 5th 2013 @ 10:12pm
            Frankie Hughes said | March 5th 2013 @ 10:12pm | ! Report

            Phil needs to watch how Pujara and Clarke batted.

            Soft hands.

            Phil’s is trying to break the ball by going so hard outside off stump.

    • March 5th 2013 @ 6:14am
      pj said | March 5th 2013 @ 6:14am | ! Report

      ah yes, here we go again. bagging the crap out of our own yet again. so, we support, cheer, praise and back slap when they are winning. then when things arent going so well there is a massive groundswell of anger, fingerpointing and argument over the issues of who may be responsible. well, just who are the armchair selectors going to place in the team to make it better? cant we just enjoy the spectacle? yep, india is kickin our a***. its happened before. remember this team is rebuilding and will suffer some hard knocks on the way. apart from the severly flawed over-management personnel, the selectors i believe have picked a fair bunch. come on, tell me, who you gonna put in to make it better overnite? humans are an inherently sick species. no better than a pack of mongrel dogs at times. how about a cheer win or lose?

      • March 5th 2013 @ 7:26am
        Red Kev said | March 5th 2013 @ 7:26am | ! Report

        Cheering while you fail isn’t noble, it’s just failure.

      • March 5th 2013 @ 11:42am
        matt h said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:42am | ! Report

        pj you have it wrong. When we lose what we are doing is lookiing at whether there is something that can be done to improve next time, whether in preparation, selection, technique, attitude, whatever. That is not a pack of mongrel dogs. there are few posters on this site saying nasty personal things about the players (although there will be the odd one) or saying they are not putting in. There are, however people rightly pointing out defficiencies in the current team’s play or selections.

        You cannot expect Phillip Hughes to go four innings without showing any signs of handling the conditions and everyone to just say “there there Phil, you’re a great bloke – just keep doing what you are doing and we will cheer regardless”. That is head in the sand stuff. That is why India were saying to England and Australia “we don’t care about the 8-0 thrashing overseas. Just wait to you come to India and we will turn it around.” Well England gave them a massive wake up call and they have obviously listened.

    • March 5th 2013 @ 6:55am
      dynamitedave said | March 5th 2013 @ 6:55am | ! Report

      I don’t know what all the fuss is about.

      Our openers are doing a superb job

      126partnership in the 1st innings of first test
      65 in the 2nd innings

      57 in the 1st of the 2nd test
      56 at the moment in th 2nd innings

      While it does appear a downward slope, its not often any openers manage 50 plus stands in 4 innings in a row

      just because we need 4 openers to do it while others need 2 is irrelevant…..

    • March 5th 2013 @ 7:58am
      Renegade said | March 5th 2013 @ 7:58am | ! Report

      But he averages 55 in shield this year…..isn’t that the be all and end all for selecting players in the test team???

      • March 5th 2013 @ 9:21am
        James said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:21am | ! Report

        There are players who do dominate at first class level who have repeatedly been found wanting at the higher level. Sometimes it is technique or just an overall level of class.

        The obvious example is Michael Bevan although Ricky Ponting this season is probably a good example as he is averaging 112 this season in the shield.

      • March 5th 2013 @ 10:21am
        Matt F said | March 5th 2013 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        No selection method is perfect but the Shield is still the best guide to picking the test side. As James said, there are always players who simply cant take the step up to the next level (in all sports.)

        There’s also the added variable of playing conditions. Most Shield matches are played on greener, quicker, bouncier pitches instead of the slow, low bouncing turners that you see in India. Most teams in the Shield also play 3-4 quicks instead of 3 spinners. The Shield is probably a better guide when picking for test series are in Australia, England, SA or NZ more than series in the sub-continent.

        • March 5th 2013 @ 11:11am
          Renegade said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:11am | ! Report

          My tongue was firmly against my cheek when i wrote this…..I absolutely hate people bringing up shield stats.

          To me it doesn’t provide any bearing on how a player will perform at a higher level of international cricket in different conditions. Everyone was saying “drop Ricky his past it, look at how good Khawaja and Hughes are going in shield blah blah”….Ponting has made the sheffield shield look like first grade and Hughes and Khawaja’s performances now look mediocre.

          A lot of people use Bailey’s FC stats as a reason not to pick him….if you actually watch him perform at international level, it is obvious he should be in India right now.

          I’m sure someone will say, “you are confusing ODI with tests”….no i’m not. It’s still cricket FFS.

          Have a look at Bailey’s innings in Adelaide this summer and tell me an innings like that would not be useful right not in India. He was also our best performer during the ODI’s ODI’s in England last year…..why not pick proven performers at this level?? It’s just common sense.

          As for Hughes, he hasn’t played in India before so it’s expected that he will struggle with the conditions at first…..if they stick with him or drop him, it’s no secret that he needs to work on his technique. He is one of our best batsmen and he needs the experience if he is going to be in the baggy green for the long term. If we’re looking to win a test, dropping him may be the best option however he should still be the number 3 for the Ashes.

          • March 5th 2013 @ 11:32am
            James said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:32am | ! Report

            I’d love to think that Hughes will do well in the Ashes but he seems to have troubles against decent pace bowlers (Chris Martin) and decent spin bowlers (Ashwin) but can make hay against crap attacks. Unfortunately England have decent pace bowlers and decent spin bowlers.

            His great start to tests against South Africa was before the international teams had worked out his flaws. Some teams (eg Sri Lanka) don’t have the quality of bowlers to take full advantage of these flaws but for others, he is just a free wicket.

            • March 5th 2013 @ 12:22pm
              Matt F said | March 5th 2013 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

              His weakness against Chris Martin was before he went back and worked on his game though. Until he faces a good fast bowling unit we won’t really know how successful he has been at rebuilding his technique.

          • March 5th 2013 @ 12:21pm
            Matt F said | March 5th 2013 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

            “I’m sure someone will say, you are confusing ODI with tests” and they would be 100% correct in telling you this. While the two are by no means mutually exclusive they clearly require different skill sets. Bailey’s knock in Adelaide was great and a test-style innings but it was one innings. Most of his other knocks are very much one day innings. Plenty of batsmen have played the odd good innings but the key to succeeding at the top level is to do so consistently. Of course some players are able to excel in multiple formats but others aren’t. You only have to look at the different players that play in each format for most nations to see that the specific formats count. Using your logic then George Bailey should be dominating FC level because his ODI form shows he’s clearly such a good player. Why isn’t he?

            Clint Mckay is our best ODI bowler because he bowls a tight, defensive line and the pressure to score runs forces the batsman into playing loose shots. They could see him off at 2-3 runs an over but that puts them well behind what they need in an ODI game. 2-3 runs an over is fine in test cricket and batsmen could comfortably see him off.

            Saying that I wouldn’t have a major issue with picking Bailey, that first paragraph was more a general point. There aren’t many people making runs in FC cricket so I’d be happy with giving Bailey a chance. I’ve also been a critic of Khawaja at FC level and think he’s been massively overrated by many people here. He has talent but people have spoken of him like he was averaging over 60 when in fact he was averaging 39.

            I agree with you re Hughes. I’d pick him in the Ashes, though consider leaving him out for the next test in India. He’s better at facing pace then spin so England will be better for him. I’ve said for a while that I think we’re a better chance of winning in England than winning in India. This is because our main weaknesses (bowling spin and batting to spin) are more of an issue in India because of the conditions. While I’m sure that England will get their pitches to turn a bit we won’t see anything like what we saw in Chennai. Fast bowling will be more important and that will play to our strength

            • March 5th 2013 @ 12:50pm
              Renegade said | March 5th 2013 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

              Yeah fair point Matt F.

              Maybe my frustrations didn’t allow me to convey the message as well as i had planned.

              Yes i understand that ODI and Tests are different formats but what i’m saying is in terms of cricket the skill required when you play at international leve in either of these formats is the still the same.

              The comparison of stats at shield level against a player’s international record is just ridiculous.
              One is obviously playing at a higher level.

              Take Phil hughes for example, he is struggling big time in India and should be dropped for the next test to work on his technique against spin and familiarise himself with dustbowl pitches.
              If he goes back to shield however, it’s the same situation he will dominate the competition and show he is a class above everyone else at state level and it won’t strenghten his batting in unfamiliar conditions such as asia because he won’t have the experience.
              Ricky Ponting is a great current example of how big the gulf is between State and International level.

              I would still use George Bailey’s performance at international level although in a ODI match as a better guide than say Glenn Maxwell’s sheffield shield average for test selection.

              • March 5th 2013 @ 4:35pm
                St Mark W said | March 5th 2013 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

                By your ODI theory Watson should be in brilliant form. Remind me how he’s going recently?

                From memory, you weren’t overly happy the other day when I pointed out that Cowan’s recent Test form, yes Test not Sheffield Shield, was better than Watson’s so on recent performance Watson should be dropped before Cowan. Is recent ODI form more relevant that recent Test form?

                I’ll take Sheffield Shield form over ODI form as the starting point for picking a test team, because of the different mental application required.

                Because of Hughes’ unique technique he has fairly evident weaknesses that are exploited by better bowlers and that should be considered, after comparing Sheffield Shield stats, before selecting a test side. Given Hughes’ history I completely agree that his return has been rushed, he should have been required to perform in Sheffield Shield for at least 3 seasons before even being considered and brought back through Australia A.

              • March 6th 2013 @ 7:41am
                Renegade said | March 6th 2013 @ 7:41am | ! Report

                That does not fix the problem.

                How is Phil Hughes going to learn to adapt to the indian conditions and bat against spin by playing another 3 seasons in sheffield shield…..he is already the best batsmen in that competition.

                I didn’t mention anywhere that ODI form is more relevant that test matches….i’m saying that international form (ODI & Test) is far more relevant than state form (Shield & Ryobi). People have mentioned henriques shield stats as an indicator that he shouldn’t be playing test cricket for Australia. What should hold more weight is his sublime debut at test cricket level.

                ” I’ll take Sheffield Shield form over ODI form as the starting point for picking a test team, because of the different mental application required.”

                This is a perfect example of the over analysis on cricket these days….i appreciate that they are different forms however can someone tell how come the dominant Australian team that won 3 world titles managed to virtually keep the same team for tests and ODIs. Yes there is a different mental application required however it’s cricket. Look at George Bailey’s “mental application” during his ODI innings this past summer. That has been a great example of how to accumulate runs in all forms of cricket.

                Well we would have to disagree then…i still put George Bailey’s One Day International performances in Australia and abroad ahead of anything that anyone has done in shield cricket.

                I again point to Ricky Ponting as the absolutely perfect example of the massive gap in skill required between state and international level….this is the same ponting that was getting out for nothing at international level only a few months ago and is now averaging 100 at state level…..why don’t we put him on a plane to India???

              • March 6th 2013 @ 1:44pm
                St Mark W said | March 6th 2013 @ 1:44pm | ! Report


                You clearly state that any International form, whether ODI or Test, is a better form guide than Sheffield Shield, by implication the only way to force your way into the Australian Test team would be through ODI for rather than Sheffield Shield.

                The dominant Australian team we had is NOT the norm and therefore should not be used as the pro-type for team selection.

                If Hughes wants to learn how to play spin perhaps he should do what Matthew Hayden did and go and learn from the Indians how to play spin.

                Once again, Sheffield Shield stats are the starting point for Australian Test team selection NOT all that needs to be considered but those who don’t want the players who have performed consistently well at Sheffield Shield need to make a clear and logical argument why they shouldn’t be included, especially at a time when the NSP appear to be using your method and we are doing so poorly.

                The reality probably is that Ponting would have been useful in India, no express pace to test his slowing reflexes.

                If the Sheffield Shield isn’t the best indicator of Test options then we need to take a close look at how its being run because it most definitely should be.

      • March 5th 2013 @ 11:43am
        matt h said | March 5th 2013 @ 11:43am | ! Report

        It is the starting point and few people did not want him selected for this tour. But now he has been found out

      • March 5th 2013 @ 2:37pm
        Timmuh said | March 5th 2013 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

        First Class form is the be all and end all of selecting players for the Test team. First Class form includes Test form. Test form when spinners have things in their favour seems a little lacking. He deserved his recall. He deserved to be going to India. Unfortunately he has failed in India in Quineyesque fashion (except without Victorians telling us how “polished” he looked).
        I would have him for England at this point, and given the squad he probably has to stay in for the third and fourth Tests in India.

    • March 5th 2013 @ 8:52am
      Sydney Kiwi said | March 5th 2013 @ 8:52am | ! Report

      I had high hopes for Hughes this series but unfortunately has forced his own deselection.
      So I’m thinking Khawaja will get his spot and Clarke will grab number 4 to cover Watsons absence.
      And good ole Steve Smith will go into 5/6/7 along with Wade and Henrique- no idea what order.
      Good thing a specialist middle order bat was selected in the squad…..

      • March 5th 2013 @ 9:02am
        Christo the Daddyo said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:02am | ! Report

        So the selectors will get their wish – a team full of all-rounders. Good grief!

        • March 5th 2013 @ 1:04pm
          formeropenside said | March 5th 2013 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

          Its like a 90’s England team all over again.

    • March 5th 2013 @ 8:52am
      MadMonk said | March 5th 2013 @ 8:52am | ! Report

      After that shot last night, (if he gets to England) Graeme Swann and James Anderson might have to play paper scissors rock to see whose bunny he is going to be.

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