Deans and Gatland in preparation for the big one

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    Wallabies coach Robbie Deans prior to the Bledisloe Cup match between Australia and New Zealand. (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

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    Two New Zealanders – Warren Gatland and Robbie Deans – will have their hands full this weekend, away from their homeland.

    And in June the two Kiwis will lock horns for the long-awaited Lions-Wallabies three-Test series. Only the Rugby World Cup is bigger.

    Lions coach Gatland will be at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff to watch the blockbuster Six Nations finale with Wales trying to defend their crown and England seeking a first Grand Slam in a decade.

    Wallaby coach Deans will be at Allianz Stadium tonight watching Berrick Barnes and Rob Horne make their comebacks for the Waratahs after long-term injuries, and at Suncorp tomorrow night to see champion half-back Will Genia’s return to the Reds after a knee reconstruction six months ago.

    This Lions tour will define Deans’ Wallaby tenure that currently stands at 71 internationals for 42 wins or 59.2 percent – nothing flash, but it could be worse.

    But to beat the Lions at home would be the climax – the utter utopia.

    And to do that Deans must have all the best Wallabies on the park.

    He’s already been gutted by the loss of probable skipper David Pocock for the season with another serious knee injury, and Kurtley Beale out with a broken hand.

    But Genia, Barnes, and Horne coming back this weekend, and hopefully lock James Horwill next week who has been out since May last year with a severly ruptured hammie, and Deans can start getting his act together to do battle with Gatland.

    The return of the Genia-Quade Cooper combination for the Reds will be the centre of attention, as will ope-side flanker Liam Gill who has looked the best of the number sevens so far.

    How Deans reacts to the sacking of two Wallabies from the Waratahs – prop Sekope Kepu, and winger Drew Mitchell – has yet to surface, but Michael Hooper’s form at open-side will be closely watched.

    He’s slipped in intensity since becoming a Waratah.

    Then there’s the early Sunday morning clash between the unbeaten Brumbies and the Sharks where Brumbies skipper Ben Mowen, Nic White, and Christian Lealiifano will be on duty.

    Mowen is making a bold bid to grab the coveted number eight Wallabies jersey from Scott Higginbotham, White the standby half to Genia, and Lealiifano either the fly-half or inside-centre berths.

    Not overlooking the return of Brumbies favourite son George Smith after three years overseas to win back his number seven jersey.

    If Deans wants him, and he must, Smith will have no trouble getting a month-long extension from Japan to play the Lions, international matches take preference from the IRB over any franchise.

    So it’s all starting to take shape for Robbie Deans, providing the spate of injuries doesn’t go anywhere near last year’s epidemic 35.

    The Lions-Wallabies series promises so much, but only if it’s a level playing field.

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    • March 15th 2013 @ 10:03am
      rabbitfan said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:03am | ! Report

      Im sure the Lions would be cacking themselves over the return of Barnes and Horne

      • March 15th 2013 @ 10:08am
        Justin2 said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:08am | ! Report

        Thought the same, real game breakers those two. Gatland will be shtting bricks with their returns…

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          March 15th 2013 @ 11:13am
          Jiggles said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:13am | ! Report

          I’m also sure he is relieved Kepu has been dropped. If Lions fans are honest with themselves, I’m sure they knew in their hearts that Gatland has no answer for all the awesome power that Kepu brings every time he trundles out onto a rugby pitch in Gold.

          • March 15th 2013 @ 10:10pm
            Bakkies said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:10pm | ! Report

            I am sure Kepu has the Lions coaching staff quaking in their boots. Unless you are being sarcastic of course.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 10:18am
        RugbyRene said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        Have you been watching the Six Nations? I’m sure the Wallabies aren’t quaking in their boots. It’s all been pretty pedestrian stuff.

        • March 15th 2013 @ 10:35am
          formeropenside said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:35am | ! Report

          Yeah, but under Deans we will eke out a gritty horrible series win (possiby being absolutely pumped in one game but squeaking lucky wins in two) and it will be an occasion for great celebration.

          We should be winning easily 3-0, and with style, but thats wont happen under this coach.

          • March 15th 2013 @ 1:46pm
            kingplaymaker said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

            Hang on fos do you really think the Lions will be that bad? Remember they can combine four countries, each of which produces very good players in some positions if not all.

            • March 15th 2013 @ 3:11pm
              formeropenside said | March 15th 2013 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

              Lions – lost in 2009, lost in 2005, lost in 2001, just beat SA in 1997. Dont forget too, that each of those individual is Lions used to coming to the SH on tour with their national team and getting pantsed. So its not like as individuals they are used to winning away (except the Scots, who largely wont be picked).

              I would be more concerned if we were playing them in NH, but that does not happen. In our conditions, we should win, not easily perhaps, but certainly without serious trouble.

              • March 15th 2013 @ 4:03pm
                kingplaymaker said | March 15th 2013 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

                fos I think this one is much better than the last one though. This one has a much better possible backline than seen in a while, and the forwards are always good.

              • March 15th 2013 @ 10:25pm
                Bakkies said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

                Agree KPM the Lions will playing against a Wallabies team that isn’t firing. The Lions will have current injured players back on deck before the end of the NH season to pick from. The Wallabies injury list will build up come July. Barnes and Pocock already have injuries. Moore looks like he is having back problems.

              • March 15th 2013 @ 11:01pm
                Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:01pm | ! Report

                From 1 to 15, the Lions have better players in 13 of the 15 spots imo.
                No Australian forwards would make the team but Gill or Hooper would be considered unlucky.
                In the backline, only Genia and Ioane would be seriously considered imo.
                For example

                Cole, Jones and Murray are all better than any Australian tighthead.
                Best, Youngs and Hartley narrowly beat TPN, Moore and Faingaa imo but its very close in a lot of ways.
                Sheridan, Healy and Corbisiero are also in better form than any Australian loosehead imo.
                Launchbury, Gray, Wynn Jones are all better than all of the Australian 4s except for Horwill pre injury.
                Parling, Ryan and Hamilton are arguably all better than the Australian 5s but this does remain to be seen.
                Croft, Wood, Lydiate!!!! No need to even bother comparing the 6 options imo, the Lions win this hands down on paper.
                Robshaw, O’Brien, Armitage, Brown, Warburton. Imo it is a debatable position as both Gill and Hooper are excellent players.
                Faletau, Morgan, Beattie, Heaslip vs Palu, Mowen, McCalman…Brown, Samo? The Lions win here too imo.
                Genia is the best 9 in the world at his best but will he come back well? Care, Youngs and Laidlaw are no joke though. Aust wins on rep here.
                Farrell, Sexton, Wilkinson vs Cooper, Barnes, Beale. Imo Farrell wins here through his tactical and place kicking and Sexton comes 2nd.
                On the left wing Ioane at his best is the best but guys like Zebo, Bowe, Brown and Cuthbert have arguably been playing better in recent games in national colours.
                12) & 13)
                Tuilagi, Roberts, BOD, Twelvetrees vs Taps, Lealiifano, AAC, McCabe. A huge battle imo and this very important battle will be a huge factor in the series. Imo the Lions edge it too.
                Maitland, North and Ashton vs Mitchell, Shipperly, Cummins and perhaps Tomane. I lean towards the Lions again.
                Halfpenny, Kearney and Hogg vs JOC, Mogg and perhaps Beale or Barnes. Lions win again here with Kearney, Hogg and Halfpenny all being top 5 FBs but JOC and Mogg may throw a spanner in the works.

                Imo, on paper the Lions will win and in reality that should also happen but who knows.

          • March 15th 2013 @ 1:51pm
            Rebel said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:51pm | ! Report


          • March 15th 2013 @ 1:55pm
            Rebel said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:55pm | ! Report


            • March 15th 2013 @ 2:57pm
              Rebel said | March 15th 2013 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

              Sorry about random posts, phone playing up. Trying to say that scraping a 2-1 series win would be like 2001, but really does not have the same impact now. However the 2001 side was in a golden period.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 11:08am
        mania said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:08am | ! Report

        and i bet they’re hoping that folau gets the call up

        • March 15th 2013 @ 11:39pm
          giveup said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:39pm | ! Report

          give it time you bitter pratt

        • March 16th 2013 @ 12:38am
          Hightackle said | March 16th 2013 @ 12:38am | ! Report

          Mania as it wont let me comment on the Zac Guildford article for some reason I will do it here.
          Alcohol is a drug in any sense of the word and unlike what Dan H implied (“in the broader sense”) it is 100% a drug by definition and not “in the broader sense”, it is in any sense.

          Also Dan H. Addiction can be both psychological and physical but it doesnt have to be both. For example, gambling or porn addiction is almost purely psychological. However stating that all addiction is a “mental illness” is false becuz in many cases it can be a physical dependance and not a mental illness at all. You can beat all addictions with the power of will and some medical help but the psychological aspect is part of it, not all of it.

          • March 16th 2013 @ 12:46am
            Hightackle said | March 16th 2013 @ 12:46am | ! Report

            Mania, alcoholics and people addicted to smoking are drug addicts and imo it should be talked about that way.
            To think or talk of some drugs as seperate from “real” drugs is part of the problem.

            • March 16th 2013 @ 1:53am
              Hightackle said | March 16th 2013 @ 1:53am | ! Report

              When you are drunk, you are as “on drugs” as any pot smoker.
              Also I must add that you seemed to think drugs and poisons were different. Many drugs are poisonous.

              • March 16th 2013 @ 7:20am
                Justin2 said | March 16th 2013 @ 7:20am | ! Report

                Back to conversations with yourself, definitely mental 🙂

    • March 15th 2013 @ 11:05am
      Mick said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:05am | ! Report

      Be interesting to see the stats of domestic players that moved TO the Waratahs and became worse players and those that left the Waratahs and went on to become better players? There is an article in itself! Ashley Cooper, Jason Little, Elsom…..

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        March 15th 2013 @ 12:20pm
        Boomeranga said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

        Elsom was good at the Waratahs / Leinster. It was when he went to the Brumbies that he went to pot.

    • March 15th 2013 @ 11:58am
      Benny A's Takle said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:58am | ! Report

      Hooper has been a mere shadow of his 2012 self. And it’s not like he has a ton of experience to fall back on. Going to the Tahs is looking more and more like a poor decision, for now at least. Also George Smith outplayed him massively at Canberra Stadium. Looks like the master is back!

      But the biggest question is ‘How much new blood will/can Deans inject into the Lions series?”, because realistically, not one of the Tahs players deserves to be in the training camp at the moment. Deans’ in a tough spot now, either way the media will pan him for A) too many underperforming Tahs or B) Too many debutantes… Lets hope all the Aussie players lift their game, for the good of Australian rugby.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 1:39pm
        Bill said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

        Benny A Deans virtually said the same thing about theTahs last night on the Rugby Club, although he did temper that by also saying there was a lot of rugby still to be played before the team was selected.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 10:27pm
        Bakkies said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:27pm | ! Report

        Has Hooper won a turnover this season?

        • March 15th 2013 @ 11:06pm
          Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:06pm | ! Report

          Yes he has.
          Its so Australian to still think of a 7 in terms of turnovers.
          Im pretty sure not many other countries do.

          • March 15th 2013 @ 11:45pm
            Bakkies said | March 15th 2013 @ 11:45pm | ! Report

            Going in to the Cheetahs match he had zero turnovers for the season.

            • March 16th 2013 @ 12:52am
              Hightackle said | March 16th 2013 @ 12:52am | ! Report

              Gill is also credited with zero.
              The definition is actually stealing the ball according to some stats instead of forcing a penalty.

          • March 16th 2013 @ 7:21am
            Justin2 said | March 16th 2013 @ 7:21am | ! Report

            Its where we will have a big edge over the lions…

    • March 15th 2013 @ 12:00pm
      Worlds Biggest said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

      ” If Deans wants him, and he must, Smith will have no trouble getting a month-long extension from Japan to play the Lions, international matches take preference from the IRB over any franchise ”

      I couldn’t agree more however apparently Deans was on the Rugby show last night and said Smith wont be considered ?? If this is the case then it’s more utter madness from Deans.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 12:05pm
        Red Kev said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

        No it is simply the rules.
        The ARU do not allow foreign contracted players in the Wallabies, Smith is contracted to Suntory on a short-term deail that expires on May 31 with the Brumbies. As of June 1 George Smith is a contracted player in Japan.
        Either Suntory have to release Smith to the Brumbies for the rest of the season (unlikely – note that it would also mean George earns far less money) or the ARU have to change their selection policy position (very unlikely).

        • March 15th 2013 @ 1:27pm
          PM said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

          We all know the rules.

          Deans’ comment is paying respect to Hooper and Gill who are the guys currently eligible.

          He is being smart and waiting to see how Hooper, Gill and Smith perform and closer to the event if he wants Smith (which I’m sure will be the case and hope so) negotiations with Suntroy will begin and note that he only needs a 1 month extension.

          • March 15th 2013 @ 5:26pm
            Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 5:26pm | ! Report

            No Deans is powerless. Deans CANT pick him.

            The rules very clearly state that Smith cant play for the Wallabies.

            Smith either needs to get a release from his contract or the ARU neefs to change the rules.

            Its not “utter madness” from Deans WB its more utter madness from fans like you jumping on anything they posdibly can to attack Deans, even if its completely false.
            Deans spoke last night about how classy Smith was but how he wasnt allowed to pick him.

    • March 15th 2013 @ 12:24pm
      Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

      I’m wondering how long the B&I Lions get together before heading off to Oz.

      I know we’re all over the shop with expectations at the moment but ticket sales tell me that many people are expecting this to be a wonderful occasion and frankly so am I.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 10:28pm
        Bakkies said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:28pm | ! Report

        There are still two months left in the UK/Irish season. Lions get picked on April 30 I think.

    • March 15th 2013 @ 12:50pm
      Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

      Fair comment about the Aussie crowds.

      Having been in the, shall we call it ‘reserved’ crowd, at the SFS (Tahs played Saders), I’m wondering which place offers more vocal support for our guys and how that matches-up with where the B&I tests are to be played.

      I know the dollars a factor but personally I’d like to see the ARU reward supporters if that’s possible.

      Suncorp seems a real weapon. But I’ve been impressed with Canberra & Melbourne supporters.

      • March 15th 2013 @ 12:52pm
        Johnno said | March 15th 2013 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

        Going to be very exciting, some are saying this is an All Black trial for the next AB’s job in 2016.

        • March 15th 2013 @ 1:20pm
          Justin2 said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

          “some” would be wrong then…

          • March 15th 2013 @ 1:31pm
            Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

            Agreed. Deans will never coach the All Blacks again, he’s made to much of a shambles of his opportunity with Australia. I can see three frontrunners for the job in 2016, Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie and Warren Gatland. I also believe Sir JK will chuck his name in the hat. But who knows some of the previously named could team up. Imagine a Jamie Joseph coached forward pack with a Dave Rennie backline.

            • March 16th 2013 @ 9:58am
              richard said | March 16th 2013 @ 9:58am | ! Report

              Kane,the answer is Dave Rennie with his Waikato assistant (his name escapes me) as his lieutant.Now,that is a combo that would take the AB’s places.

              Kirwan and Joseph are not up to it IMO.

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            March 15th 2013 @ 1:32pm
            Jiggles said | March 15th 2013 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

            As if the nzru would ever consider Deans after he had his little hissy fit last time and has failed with Australia. Gatland is a limited coach also of the same mould. The difference being he is a bit more articulate.

            ABs coaching trial my foot!

            • March 15th 2013 @ 2:06pm
              Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 2:06pm | ! Report

              I agree with Hansen when he said that he doesn’t believe Deans ever wanted the job. He had his mind up that he was going to Austrlia and wanted to make a Martyr of himself.

              Hansen’s point being that why would you go into the interview of one of the most sought after coaching jobs in world rugby without naming anyone as your assistant. Especially when going up against the three wise men?

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                March 15th 2013 @ 2:20pm
                Jiggles said | March 15th 2013 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                Personally I think Hansen is thinking too much into it and overestimating Deans. I bet Deans was actually just ill prepared as he usually is.

                Deans probably saw history demanding a change of coach and his record was the best of all option. All he had to do was turn up and Tew & Co. would beg him to be coach.

              • March 15th 2013 @ 3:05pm
                Justin2 said | March 15th 2013 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

                Just like his match day tactics his strategy was “play whats in front of you” 🙂

          • March 15th 2013 @ 5:35pm
            Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

            A shambles with Australia Kane?

            Im so pleased that people employed to judge coaches know something.

            Deans has now coached the Saders through their most successful period ever.
            Coached NZ at the start of arguably their most successful period ever.
            Coached Aust to a WC 3rd spot, a 3 nats victory, a very successful semi-dominance over SA and had Australia hovering in between 2 and 3 in the world for most of his stint.
            There is no “shambles”, Australia has been the 2nd best team in the world over his stint as coach and its only people who think that being 2nd best to one of the best teams EVER that think thats failure. Something that is extremely bizzare. 7 or 8 of the top 10 sides would trafe their results with Australias over the last 5 years in a heartbeat.

            • March 15th 2013 @ 5:42pm
              Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

              You know the funny thing, I wasnt even a Deans supporter but the constent rubbish thats said about Deans and it is rubbish is just rediculous. The constent, pathetic opotunist approach by many fans and media to jump on anything no matter how small and twist it to suit bias is unbelievable.
              It doesnt matter if its true, accurate or reasonable, the hate possie is all over it and willing to blame.
              I am not for Deans, Im against what you do, no matter who is involved. Im for people being rational and reasonable.

              • March 16th 2013 @ 5:10am
                Billy Bob said | March 16th 2013 @ 5:10am | ! Report

                Well put HT. The lynch mob in both countries wait in the dark and come out to condemn with ignorant prejudice at the first mention of a person’s name.
                Robbie, Quade, SBW, Folau…now Zac Guildford.
                It use to happen to Wendell Sailor, Mat Rogers and Lote Tuquiri. The mere mention of a name was enough to draw people out from behind mum’s skirt (Internet anonymity) and throw whatever extreme negatives they have the wit to invent.
                In the process rational debate is lost because the mob are now trading negatives.
                There is a difference between rational criticism, which is fair and productive, , and irrational prejudice, which is not fair and serves no-one, including the bigoted critic.

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              March 15th 2013 @ 5:56pm
              Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

              Yes a shambles.

              Deans has the third best coaching success rate at Super rugby I’m not disputing that. However I believe he is out of his depth at test level.

              Yes he has coached them to a third place at the RWC also coached them to back to back losses to England home and away Back to back losses to Scotland home and away, 10 straight defeats in the Bledisloe, defeats to Samoa at home, managed to screw up the easiest draw at RWC 2011 by losing to Ireland in a pool match, picked RIchard Brown.

              Did you ever stop to think that maybe so many people believed that the NZ team is one of the greatest ever because they dominate Australia? Maybe it goes both way and that NZ are quite good, made to look better by a poor Australia?

              Did you realised that the Tri Nations he won was the one where two of the three teams toured with weakened teams?

              I am being rational and reasonable. Can you rationally and reasonably say that from what Deans has shown that he was the right man for the job in 2008 and still is in 2013?

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                March 15th 2013 @ 6:19pm
                Boomeranga said | March 15th 2013 @ 6:19pm | ! Report

                I think in 2008 he was clearly the right man for the job. He was the most compelling candidate by a mile. Now there are other candidates in Link and White who make the debate worthwhile, but I agree with Hightackle that much of what is said is said to take any opportunity to sh** on the guy. Roll back through the past week and you will repeatedly find people throwing up the non-selection of players who were injured and unavailble as proof that he cant pick a team, and regardless of what he says about George, its his fault he isn’t already picked.

                I’ve got no great attachment to Deans, and can’t stand Kiwi rugby after the RWC, but much of argument laid against him is stupid.

                Edit: The results you highlight are relevant I reckon.

              • Roar Guru

                March 15th 2013 @ 6:38pm
                Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 6:38pm | ! Report


                In 2008 he definitely would have been up there but we shall never know because there wasn’t a job interview process. IMO a coach should never have his first international had coach appointment in charge of Aus Nz Rsa. They should be a head coach elsewhere. IMO the ARU should shoulder most of the blame for the results of the past 6 years due to appointing him without an interview process and reappointing him before the RWC.

                I don’t believe that LINK or J WHITE are any better suited for coaching them however

              • March 15th 2013 @ 7:38pm
                Boomeranga said | March 15th 2013 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

                Sorry Kane. I thought I posted a reply on my way here, but combo of walking, new phone, a skinful on board and feet for hands means my wisdom is lost.

                The quick version before kickoff is that in 2008, I think we had next to nothing going for us. If you lined up the best 50 footballers in oz, and the best 20 coaches, I doubt rugby would have featured much. Dingo seemed a god send wether interviewed or not.

                I’m interested in why no to link and white? If not them, then who?

              • March 15th 2013 @ 8:50pm
                Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

                What thee 3rd best!!!!?
                Obvoously you are very carefully selecting your stats there.

                But I agree and GH and Hansens coaching stint at Wales was a shambles. They will never coach NZ.

                In the tri nats they won they beat a full strength SA in SA and beat a full strength NZ team in NZ.

                NZ is considered the best becuz they havnt lost to Wal, Ire, Sam, Scot, Arg for over 50 year if ever. The weak Aust side you are talking about has prolly been 2nd best in the world for most of Deans stint. So what the hell is with calling #2 or #3 weak?

                Aust under Deans has a better record against SA than NZ did in the same time period.

                This ABs era is one the best ever. Carter, McCaw and a few others could be argued to be the best ever.

                Aust has drawn 1 and beaten NZ twice in the last few years, who else has even come close to that?

                Aust in 2012 was missing Pocock, Horwill, Genia, JOC and a few others for nearly all of the season. Beale, Cooper, Barnes, Ioane, Robinson, Higgs and a few others had mixed form. They still managed the 2nd most wins in the top 10 behind NZ, a draw with #1 a victory over #2, 4 wins over the 6 nats champs, 2 wins over Arg, a win over Eng before they thrashed NZ and a hard fought win over Ital.

                People have convinced themselves that a top 3 side is in crisis. Its not and under the circumstances its doing extremely well. However its only everybody in the world besides NZ and Aust that says that.

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                March 15th 2013 @ 10:22pm
                Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:22pm | ! Report


                To be honest, I have no idea, I think link will be too similar to Deans, yes he has won a Super title but as Deans showed that doesn’t necessarily convert to international success. As for Jake it all depends on his ability to produce a game plan that suits the quick agile play that I remember Australia of old playing. If Jake tried to replicate his Springbok game plan on the Wallabies I fear it won’t be effective.

                I tend to agree with you re 2008, but not interviewing applicants was a terrible move by John O’Neill

                Out of curiosity who do you think will be the next Wallabies coach and who do you think should be?

                I think it will be link and undecided

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                March 15th 2013 @ 10:36pm
                Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 10:36pm | ! Report

                Yes very carefully, I just know Henry and Smith both coached Super Rugby for three years for two wins and a final for Henry and two wins and a sixth place for Smith, that sixth place was a year after the team came last and his first year in charge. Both Henry and Smith have assistant coached once and that resulted in another title for both.

                I agree Hansen’s stint at wales was a shambles but he obviously learned from that experience as should any coach wanting to coach any of the top three teams IMO and Henry had a better win rate at Wales than Deans does with the Wallabies.

                The Wallabies lost 30-14 against a full strength NZ in new Zealand they beat NZ in Brisbane.

                I don’t consider Australia weak but I consider them poor as opposed of what they could be.

                Well England can say that as you pointed out they thrashed us last year.

                Yes they did have more wins but they played three more games than SA.

                I know Australia can play far better than they have been, is that to much to ask?

            • March 15th 2013 @ 6:13pm
              Ajax said | March 15th 2013 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

              Yes, Im bemused by the rabid anti Deans crowd. Saders havent won anything since he left, he and Rod McQueen are the only 2 coaches to ever win a Tri Nations…

              But I think he has been too loyal to underperforming players (weird critisism that isnt it??) Only 3 games in.. but you would have to be thinking Brumbies and Reds are going to make up the majority of the test side… guys like Beale , JOC, AAC, stalwarts of the Deans regime will struggle to make it methinks (based on current form).

              • Roar Guru

                March 15th 2013 @ 6:32pm
                Kane said | March 15th 2013 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

                He sees himself as one of the boys maybe thats why he’s loyal to under performing players, he needs to be more cutthroat like Cheika was with Mitchell.

                he second point you highlight is a good one but do you think the team will be missing Joc, Aac, and Kurtley?

              • March 15th 2013 @ 9:35pm
                Hightackle said | March 15th 2013 @ 9:35pm | ! Report

                Kane this is yet another myth, that he doesnt drop players.
                He dropped, Higgs, Simmons, Barnes, Beale, Kepu, Ioane, Dennis, Samo and many others last year becuz they were not up to it. He said he would have dropped Cooper if it wasnt for injury.

                So far in the last couple of weeks Ive heard that Deans dropped Cullen, he didnt. That Deans played JOC at FB for the first time against SA, he didnt. That Deans refuses to consider G.Smith, he isnt allowed to select Smith. Ive heard he just picks his favs, he doesnt. That his non-selection of Nic White was a brain explosion, White was at 70% by his own admission, needed surgery and opted for it after only 2 weeks of not being in the 22. Ive heard he doesnt blood players enough, WTF????!. Ive heard that its Robbies fault that Cooper was out of form, WTF-ingF!!!!??. That Deans agreed with Chieka playing Izzy at FB, he didnt. That the team suffers as a result of not introducing players, he debuted 5 against Samoa and 5 against Scotland, Aust lost both games. That Deans already has Izzy pencilled in, he clearly doesnt. That Deans only selects you if you wear Tah blue, he selected 50% more Reds in 2012.
                And the list goes on and on. It is a really bizzare fabrication that is created by lack of independent thought and a crowd mentality…imo.

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