Gold Coast Suns still not shining

Rubbish, Prestia wasn't mention in the Article......Rubbish again about re:Interest no matter how much spin you put on it never changes the fact your bitter.....Again you haven't move on. I'm a Victorian resident, surely if wanted perspective you could have gone closer to the source, again your carrying this life long grudge. It's so dam clear, first you admit you dislike him because him & his fellow teammates don't do the basics, you mention he's failing, now your admitting he's being treated differently & now your genuinely claiming your taking interest,in what? Your diffidently not supporting ( as you've religiously mention, & have every right to) however your hatred is borderline obsessive!!!!!!! Good luck in moving on.

Toa - As I said before Mike Pyke is a very different case, big blokes take longer and player longer and are in shorter supply (look at Ben hudson - he has retired twice but been lured back by 2 different clubs). I do dislike the expansion teams (I also dislike Collingwood & Essendon but for different reasons) but that doesn't mean I can't be rational and see a team full of talneted youngsters getting into the right age profile won't be competitive -which is why they won't be able to carry middle aged under performers like Hunt much longer. Sorry I didn't read the Queensland paper, living in Victoria tends to make that difficult but the other 2 players mentioned (Swallow & Prestia) are what 21 with massive potential - Hunt is 26 with half their talent, again different kettle of fish. And the question really has to be asked - why was Hunt excluded from the Qld version? Marketing? My issue is that Hunt get's treated differently to any other player, you can come on this site and bag out any other player you want but as soon as you mention Hunt well the abuse flows. Also many here wer happy to abuse me and my football knowledge becasue of my predictions on Hunt, but now that it is looking increasingly likely that I was right I am just told to move on and leave him alone (when I am not doing anything to him) and none of the abisers have the courage to stand up and apologise and admit they were wrong. Finally I was genuinely interested in how hunt went, I saw the stats (oridinary again) but wanted to have them in context, to make sure he wasn't playing a defensive role. How many gamews did you play by the way?

Rubbish, you don't know what patience is, Mike pyke came into the league when he was 24yrs old and by all reports is holding his own. People with patience build bridges, your still trying figure out how to walk on water. Harbour no feelings, please, anybody with a stage name can bleat out a verse like yours to cover their bitterness. Your clearly & utterly bitter.The fact you that you freely admitted you dislike expansion teams & the trot out the masking line of they'll be competitive against most sides while giving yourself a pat on the back stinks of arrogance. There no mention of Hunt in this story however that itch just needed to be scratch didn't it ? So off you go hanging on a one liner that name Hunt along with two other high profile players (no need to mention their names right macca) in our local paper. However the Queensland's edition names 4 suns players & no mention of Hunt but Cunningly like a sly fox you ask how Hunt went with the intensions of tearing his back apart & no one else. Gosh with that attitude its amazing you got pass 50 senior games!!!!! Yep, I think it safe to say with 250 senior games you continue to get the same result with the same attitude. I think the Empire Strikes Back has a valid point you just can't move on!!!!!!

Toa - I harbour no ill feeling about not realising an AFL dream and was never even close to being "scouted" and I have incredibly content with the quality, amount & level of football I played and I am not finding fault with the Suns, in fact if you read anything I have said about the Suns this year is that I think they will be very competitive against most sides but just inconsistent (which is exactly what has happened). But the fact is Hunt isn't a good player and still get's special reatment, anyone putting up his performances would be very close to being dropped but to even suggest he gets dropped leads to abuse. And to call for patience with Hunt is exactly my point, he isn't 22, he is 26 and looks as far from a footballer as he was 2 years ago, are we to wait until he is 28 or 30? The suns have plenty of good kids there and a lot of them are getting to the point where they have the mature bodies and tank to play elite footballer, they don't need Hunt for his "big body" espcially when he isn't getting hte hard ball or laying tackles.

Macca said | May 1st 2012 @ 3:52pm I admit I can’t see the reason for bringing in these 2 expansion teams (especailly GWS) but if they had of said Tassie instead I could see some sense in it, but the reason I criticise Hunt isn’t because I am against expansion it is because I am sick of everyone treating Hunt and the expansion teams in general like superstars for managing to barely do the basics. Now that was almost a year ago and still you haven't built a bridge yet you contiue find fault with the suns without watching any games. 250 senior games could say a lot about you, possibly the fact your bitter about not fulfilling your AFL dream therefore criticise Hunt & everything that goes his way. Or maybe this grudge/attitude towards the northern expansions teams is a form of protest on why you never got scouted. Maybe your basics weren’t good enough and the only way of validating your skill level was not to physically view a team/player that got the nod ahead of you. You’d think a veteran of 250 senior games would have learnt the lessons of respect, patience & evolution instead of wallowing & kicking mud like a spoilt brat.

"What the ??? Why not “I’m very sorry, I was wrong” ??" Because I wasn't wrong, it was a lazy turn of phrase that I didn't thikn you would tkae literally, I accepted your correction and altered the term. "No, possession is a mark. I “possessed the ball by marking it and then disposed of it by kicking it”. Contested Possession = mark." Only in your universe do you include marks in a possesison tally, and again even if you are right Hunt could not have had 20 possession because you would have to count the mark as 1 possession and the disposal of the second. And a contested possesion does in no way equal a mark - you are really getting silly there. "Yes, you can use my interpretation thankyou" No I think I'll stick to the interpretation employed by the official statisticians not your nonsensical view. "“I am not English”…………How could I possibly know." Let's thinkhow could you know, ohh that's right I told you numerous times and you ignored it. "“I didn’t watch the Suns game”…….You want me to agree with that??" Yes I do as you have asserted "It is clear now that you watched the game and have been trolling." which is false. "“you have little understanding of the game”…..debatable, but clearly more than you" Wrong on both counts, you think Hunt could replace a full back, CHB or Ruckman in the Carlton side that's case closed on your lack of football knowledge before we even get to you idiocy on what is a possession. "After offering an olive branch of “agree to disagree” I’m certainly not opening up this story again!!" Agree to disagree isn't an olive branch when you have been shown to be completely factually wrong. If I was to say the earth was round and you said it was flat should we "agree to disagree". ""I am not new to AFL"..............No idea." See you would have an idea if you could actually comprehend what someone has told you.

“Hmmm, don’t recall saying that.” "OK implied". What the ??? Why not "I'm very sorry, I was wrong" ?? "Agree to disagree, no how about we agree that your interpretation of what is a possession" No, possession is a mark. I "possessed the ball by marking it and then disposed of it by kicking it". Contested Possession = mark. "and what constitutes a contested mark": Yes, you can use my interpretation thankyou "you have little understanding of the game".....debatable, but clearly more than you "I am not English"............How could I possibly know. You whinge and whine a lot so there is much evidence you are English. "I didn’t watch the Suns game".......You want me to agree with that?? I dont follow you? OK, you didnt watch it as an English Premier League match was on TV. "I am not new to AFL"..............No idea. If you say so. I don't really care. "and move on"..........Yes, move on. Please feel free to waste your time replying. After offering an olive branch of "agree to disagree" I'm certainly not opening up this story again!!

"Hmmm, don’t recall saying that." OK implied. Agree to disagree, no how about we agree that your interpretation of what is a possession and what constitutes a contested mark is wrong, you have little understanding of the game, I am not English, I didn't watch the Suns game, I am not new to AFL and move on.

"to which you then said the level I played at (despite still not knowing what level that was) was inadequate to understand the game" Hmmm, don't recall saying that. Lets agree to disagree and move on.

Your original comment was - "I know you’re new to Australia and Aussie Rules" to which I said I had actually played 250 games, to which you then said the level Iplayed at (despite still not knowing what level that was) was inadequate to understand the game, yet you have never actually played. I am not saying you have to have played the game to make a comment but you shouldn't criticise others participation when you haven't had any yourself. And it is not your gender or your participation that invalidates your views but the fact that you have demonstrated you don't know what a contested mark or a possession is. And it isn't that hard to play AFL as a female, their a plenty of womens leagues around.

"And you didn’t tell me how many games you have played and at what level?" Its difficult to play when you are female. Are you saying that (a) a person that hasnt played the game at AFL level or "Bendigo Bedwetters" level cannot comment and (b) a woman is less likely to have an understanding of the game than a man? Do tell.

You really are stupid, Again I have never even been to England, I didn't watch the game because I watched the Carlton Eagles game, I can say that he didn't have a contested mark because it is on the stats sheet and the fact you think he had contested marks when he didn't shows you don't know what a contested mark is and marks are not possessions no one has ever included marks when they say "X had 30 possessions today", in your example the Mark would be recorded but no "possession". And even on the off chance you are right are you saying Hunt took 4 marks and on every occasion he failed to dispose of the ball? And I want people to acknowledge the truth, whether I watch the game or not is irrelevant. I And you didn't tell me how many games you have played and at what level?

Dear Macca (the pom) It is clear now that you watched the game and have been trolling. This is demonstrated when you wrote "And teh (sic) fact that your “recollection” is that he had 5 contested marks is the exact point, your recollection is rubbish because he didn't have 1, whatever you think a contested mark is is wrong". If you didnt watch the game then you can't possibly write that. Why else would you write that? If you are relying solely on stat sheets rather than watching the game then why ask "how did Hunt play"? Maybe comments like this explain it....."It’s not a matter of wanting Hunt to fail, I want people to acknowledge that he is failing". Your basically saying "I want people to acknowledge he is failing while I don't even watch the game". A mark is a possession. It is either a contested possession or uncontested possession. If a player takes a mark, plays on and is tackled, the mark is still recorded as a "possession" but not the disposal. If he takes a mark and the siren goes, a "possession" is still recorded. Suck it up Englishman or go back to the Old Dart.

Surely Waite's luck has to turn soon. A forward Line of Waite, Rowe, Hampson Betts, Yarran & Garlett would have a lot of backlines worried, if only it can play consecutive games.

Sorry Macca, the pain is as fresh as if it was yesterday. It was only three weeks ago so it is the present to me. Elliot kicking a swag.... Shudder I'm looking forward to Betts and Waite. I reckon Kreuzer will be a bit tentative for a game or two after he gets back. I hazard to guess how long we will have my mate, your mate, Jarrad Waite before something else in his body explodes... Guess I'm a pessimist.

Maybe the AFL should not have expanded further then, or should of reduced the number of Melbourne teams (if they were so worried about having two teams in each major capital city). Too many teams equals too many hidings. They just got greedy. Would like to know whether the number of 18yo plus afl players have grown at the same rate as the population over the years? We really only ever hear about growth in junior numbers. Ha yes thanks for pointing that mistake out. I will blame it on my key-bored.

Ablett would be the least of their worries, they lost Caddy to Geelong who has looked to be a handy player in a better team, if other young players start to see some decent offers to play in a competitive side and have some good big bodies to look after them that's when it could get ugly.

It' looks like talent is spread too thin over the teams with Suns & GWS struggling for quality players. It's not a problem that will be corrected over time as with free agency a lot of the better performing players will head to the more successful clubs. Lucky the AFL are prepared to throw money at Suns & GWS otherwise it would be even worse. Imagine if Ablett heads South, it could get ugly on the coast.

It's not "my definition" it is the definition - what more do I want - I want you to realise when you are wrong and admit it, not try to hide behind a cop out like "I was using a different definition" when you would be the only person in the world who would count marks as possessions. And teh fact that your "recollection" is that he had 5 contested marks is the exact point, your recollection is rubbish because he didn't have 1, whatever you think a contested mark is is wrong. And I didn't go around "trumpeting" anything, you said I was new to the game of AFL, I corrected you and how many games have you played and at what level? I have been on this site for teh last few years and you are the only person to get me confused with another english Macca - again instead of a "so be it" why not an apology? And why when I corrected you did you continue with saying I was English? It's not a matter of wanting Hunt to fail, I want people to acknowledge that he is failing. I have been abused on this website for the last few years by people who thought I clearly had no idea because I didn't think Hunt would make it, now when I am being shown to be correct I am not allowed to say I told you so? And I am Leaving him alone, I am not being abusive or even engaging with him, just making a rational case about a footballer.

The State leagues have been stripped bare and freo copped some hidings early - the 2 new teams got some established stars. The Adelaide Crows beat the reigning premiers Hawthorn first up and were in the GF in 4 years?? I think you meant barren which in fact is nearly an antonym of baron