Stormers deny Reds 20-15 in Super Rugby

Habana collected the cross field kick,take another look everybody,he collected then gave flick like pass just before contact & on another comment I read the boks really dont mind playing the wallabies either :-)

Two teams that are unlikely to feature in the Finals but think about it the Reds are back at home and the Rebels haven't really troubled them in their 5 games to date. If it was the Force on the other hand I would back them to beat the Reds.

How about Habana's try after Etsebeth ran through that gap against the Rebels? But then they go and blow it by taking the line out option. Was De Villiers wrong, dunno, maybe but at the same time they'd get up there and then get blown up for something within three phases, which doesn't sound to flush either I've seen the Bulls do that type of thing and score, but only at home, with a ref they know who'd blow up the opposition if they collapse, etc. So maybe that's the thing, decision making, which brings me back to Aplon and what they've done to him. Send him of to the cheetas, I bet you he'll be a different player. Coaches dictate culture with their game plan which emphasises certain things.

I do agree the Stormers need fresh ideas, it goes beyond the coaches though, the mentality of the players must change, when you look at the decision De Villiers made on their overseas tour they "show" they want to score tries by not kicking at goal. But they need to look at how the All Blacks and Crusaders "build their innings" They don't go helter skelter from the first kick lff, they patiently build pressure and aim to control posession and territory, if the opportunity comes to kick for goal they take it. Once they have build a lead, only then do they start taking risks. The Stormers never did that, they shunned opportunities at goal, becuase they want to show their intent to "play rugby" That is not the way to play rugby, control the match before you take risks, that means you must control three things, posession, territory and the scoreboard, to do that when you aren't in control of all three is foolish. So they have a misconception ofhow to "build their innings" It doesn't happen overnight either, you first need to learn patience, learn how to control posession for long periods, how to protect the ball and how to wait for the opportunity. To strike. They don't have that. The Stormers and for that matter most SA teams including the boks, have as yet not learnt how to run in support with ball carriers, our ball carriers also haven't learnt how to utilise support runners. We tend to just make as many yards as we can without considering the consequence of turn over ball. So it will take a few season to learn how to play WITH posession rather than without posession.

Elton is a good player, but does not fit the stormers bill. Neither does grant. Katrillis is the type of flyhalve that would do well with the stormers gameplan. The problem is not with elton or grant or any of the players. The problem is coetsee and his assitants. I don't have a problem with Proudfoot, he's doing well with what he has at his disposal. The logic behind who to keep, which ones to nurture and who to let go just escapes me though. Province used to be known for their attacking flair, now they're trying to play bulls power rugby and there are oakes in the north that understand that type of game much better and it's so ingrained in their make up you'll never beat them at it.

I don't think Jantjies is good enough, but i don't hate the guy.

Does Radike Samo have a portrait of himself in his attic that grows older every day? He put on a No 8 performance worthy of a much younger man.

Strong defence from both sides leads to a low scoring game. Full credit to both teams. But Jantjies cross-field bomb made the difference. The commentators said no defender got close to any of the ball carriers but I don't think that's right. Reds winger got the winger (Aplon?) just as he got it away, and Cooper at fullback nailed Pieterson just after he got the ball away. Then De Villiers was clear and that was it. Shame for Reds, their defence was pretty good all game except for then.

Suzy there is compassion, but it doesn't escape his bad form or make it acceptable. If one is not up to it, due to injury, or personal issues or problems they should not be selected, and it's irresponsible and weak management by the stormers if they keep picking him. People cope with grief differently, Plenty of people actually do well in sports events after grief, and just after like 1 or 2 days after. Steve Hansen's dad died last year, just before the Brisbane test, and he said there was no way he was gonna miss the match. Hansen said "his old man would more likely shoot him", than feel sorry for him. Good old school humor there, but he was being funny and defiantly serious too at the same time. Hansen and his dad were very close, and Hansen senior had a lot to do with a lot of AB'S players current ones to as he did a lot of coaching himself. But his dad had a roll your sleeves up carry on attitude, which Steve Junior has. Privately he would of been upset, but he still had a job to do, and kept doing it, and clearly wouldn't miss an AB test for the World, or lose his focus. His dad wouldn't let him. My point is, pro sport is a business, not a charity and if someone is not performing you still don't pick them, and criticism must be dealt. What if the player is not focused, he cots's his team win's, and potential employment and selection of player's around him, who also have foot and rent and bills to pay.

Before you go off on another hater tangent against Jantjies etc. consider it's only a game. Elton's dad and mentor died in a freak accident just before the season started. His dad was a massive part of his career. Show some compassion, Elton will be back. Fredstone if your dad dropped dead tomorrow, would you give a stuff about your job? You keep going on about Peter Grant. Well Peter Grant is a good solid player, with a poor passing game and poor kicking game too. Sure he can tackle and kick penalties. Overall Jantjies has way more potential. The kid just needs time to mature. And I am sick of quota remarks too. In case you hadn't noticed with Kolisi, Carr, Jantjies, De Jong, Aplon, Habana and Coetzee as coach, no gives a stuff about the colour of your skin at the Stormers.

At least we won it when we staged it.

pfffttt this coming from a countryman whose team had to stage the world cup in order to win it. And even then they choked to win by one point to a completely misfiring French outfit.

No, they needed McCheat to just push his luck one time too many. God I laughed when I saw his face when he got the whistle for illegally removing the ball. However, the best look was Dan Carter's face when the final whistle blew and he realized he had been too cocky. Only moments earlier he had kicked a penalty, and just before he struck the ball a look of pure conceited arrogance swarmed his face. Winning that Super Title was a moment of glory for the Reds and for all of Queensland in what was a pretty crap year with the floods and all.

The real question would be, do they have the forwards, to when all chips are down mix it with the saders, bulls, chiefs or cheetas?

He doesn't get hidden away as you imply, but... He's been in the first expansion team to win a game in their first season. His team has not finished stone dead last two years in a row like the Lions and alledgedly talented mr jantjies and he's defended much better than said allegedly talented mr jantjies. Beyond that he's done all his basics well, passed tackled and kicked the ball in the corners when needed kicked his goals controlled the game as well as any sa flyhalve (or attempted to at least) And the kings have got nearly as many log points as the Stormers who fields 10 alleged springboks every match irrespective of their injury count. Oh and let's not forget that he's the reason that province has finally gotten a currie cup after years of trying with grant. Ja, ok so that's a bit last year, but very relevant methinks.

Yeah, you want a coach that can raise otherwise ordinary players and compensate for injuries. Damien Hill has taken the rebels serious strides this year - they were a bit of defensive polish off beating all the kiwi sides they faced and are getting better each week

Comment above was for you funnyman....:)

It would take a once in a decade event for Australian rugby to win anything.

Fortunate to have the rebels? That side that just beat the Stormers and the Tahs?

Fair point, I hope you are right. Don't get me wrong I'm really happy to see him turn the team around and I love the passion the team plays with I would just love to see them use their strike weapons more often. We know they are capable of it and have halces of perfect rugby during the season.