The solution to State of Origin suspensions

By Sleemo / Roar Rookie

Earlier five o’clock shadows, glorious autumn afternoons and State of Origin – you know it’s that time of year when you read the discussion about whether or not certain players should be suspended for rugby league’s grandest stage.

Sure enough, last weekend there were a few incidents from the club matches which gave both sets of supporters a few shivers.

Cooper Cronk upended a bloke and, given the NRL’s recent crackdown on dangerous throws, there was rightly a fair bit of conjecture over a potential Origin-cruelling ban.

David Shillington clipped Steve Matai with a lazy arm early in the Raiders’ loss to Manly.

Anthony Watmough retaliated to Dane Tilse’s provocation in the 80th minute of the same match and found himself belting on for a few seconds, before a well-advised teammate grabbed him, pulled him away and appeared to whisper in Watmough’s ear words along the lines of, “Whoa mate, careful, you’ve got Origin next week.”

None of those players were suspended for their infractions, and rightly so.

Cronk’s tackle was a bit careless but owing to his past good record, did not deserve time off.

Shillington’s arm was even less careless and certainly not malicious, and Watmough…well, I don’t advocate fights in rugby league, but if you’re going to suspend people for that one, it’ll be a busy judiciary between now and September.

However, the bigger issue is the application of suspensions received in one competition to those received in another.

It is a poorly-drafted rule mandating a player suspended from an incident in a club match is to be banned from a representative fixture if it falls during the suspension period.

It doesn’t happen in other major sporting codes, so why should it happen in rugby league?

An example of how suspensions should be applied is European football.

Let’s say a Chelsea player is sent off in the Premier League. He has a Champions League match a few days later. His mandatory one-match suspension (along with any additional suspension) is served in the Premier League because it was incurred in the Premier League.

He’s free to play the Champions League match. And, should it happen, the reverse applies.

International football also provides guidance.

A player sent off in a World Cup qualifier is generally not required to serve his suspension in club football – he is required to serve it in the World Cup qualifiers or the World Cup itself (whichever matches are on until his suspension is completed).

Why the NRL doesn’t adopt the same system is curious.

Under a better system, suspensions arising from club matches would be served in club matches, leaving players available to be selected for representative games, and suspensions arising from representative games would be served in the same level of representative game (i.e. City-Country, State of Origin or Test, depending where the suspension was incurred).

To develop the idea further, there ought to be separate judiciary panels for each different level of competition – NRL, City-County, State of Origin and Test.

This would solve two problems.

Firstly, it would rid the game of any prospect of loopholes a la Lote Tuqiri in 2002 and Tonie Carroll in 2006.

A smart administrator can probably find a way around ambiguous rules like these.

Secondly, it would ensure that the pre-Origin discussion is never again going to be blighted by accusations of judiciary bias (as was the case in 2011 when David Taylor and Akuila Uate were given wildly differing suspensions for similar offences).

There are at least three counter-arguments I’ve heard so far and I’ll address each.

Counter-argument 1: “It’s not a good look for the game if you allow a player who has viciously fouled another player to avoid suspension for a representative fixture, even though he’s been suspended for club matches”.

See my discussion above of the way suspensions in international and club football work – if it’s good enough for soccer, why not rugby league?

Counter-argument 2: “A player who is retiring after the Origin series will just go out and belt people in Game Three with no deterrent besides a penalty.”

Two things to say about this: firstly, there is a penalty – it’s called the send-off, and referees ought not be afraid of using it (although that’s another argument).

Secondly, how is this any different from a player’s last club game?

Ask former Brisbane Lion Alastair Lynch about that one – the AFL suspended him after his 2004 grand final fracas with basically the whole Port Adelaide team, but knowing he was retiring, also fined him $15,000.

Good move.

Counter-argument 3: “State of Origin is representative, where players are chosen from their clubs, are all registered with the same competition and therefore should be subject to the same rules across both.”

The fact is that although the players all play together in the one week-to-week league, Origin is a different class of football. Origin results don’t affect the NRL table and vice versa.

Accordingly it’s incongruous to punish a representative team for the actions of one of its players committed in a club game, and likewise it would be wrong for a club to be punished for something one of its players did while not playing for that club.

A counter-argument can be raised to this counter-argument as well: while all Origin players come from the NRL, the same cannot be said for Test footy, where NRL suspensions (as far as I’m aware) also apply.

In my mind this is an interesting topic with a clear-cut solution. Looking forward to hearing the views of others.

And – if you’ll pardon my indulgence – go the Blues!

The Crowd Says:

2013-05-31T06:28:51+00:00

Sleemo

Guest


To be honest Mango, my view is that an incident in a regular season club game should be punished just as harshly as an incident in a big end-of-season match. A couple of reasons: 1. I have always taken the view that if a player commits an act deserving a suspension in a semi-final, he should have to miss the next match regardless of what it is. Virtually the same thing happened to Luke Ricketson back in 2004 - he smacked down Nathan Fien with a vicious king hit (somehow wasn't sent off) and missed the GF as a result of the suspension, but cried foul because he thought he shouldn't have to be suspended for such a big game. The players still have to respect the laws of the game and I think to give them indulgence because a final's coming up undermines this a fair bit. Just remember too - if a player has committed an act of foul play in a big game (i.e. a semi final) why should he not deserve to be suspended for a slightly bigger game (i.e. a GF) especially if his act of foul play contributed towards getting his team across the line? 2. Consistency. If you reduce suspensions based on the "bigness" of the team's upcoming matches i.e. finals, what about a big regular-season game, such as a game that might decide whether or not a team finishes in the top eight or top four? If the classic "every match from here is a grand final" scenario faces a club from Round 26 onwards, you can't say that the Round 26 game is not as big as the GF because it could effectively be their last game of the season - it's all on the line. Therefore some clubs might have their own view of what the big matches are and in a situation like this, you can't really argue with it.

2013-05-31T06:19:20+00:00

Mango Jack

Guest


Sleemo, I like the idea of applying the penalty to the comp in which the infringement occured, but how does it prevent the situation we see almost every year where a player commits some act in a quarter or semi final and risks missing a grand final, likely to be the biggest game of his career? I'd like to see the points system applied to the matches a player misses, e..g, regular season game worth 100 points, qtr final 200 pts, semi 400 pts and maybe GF 600 pts, or something like that. If a player accumulates a 100 pt penalty in the last regular season game, it is carried over until the next season. It's more in keeping with the general principle of "the punishment fits the crime"

2013-05-31T06:05:24+00:00

Sleemo

Guest


Bulldog blue - nothing wrong with carry-over points in my view, there needs to be a deterrent to regular foul play. To use your drivers' license example, a person who has used up all of their demerit points has (in Qld anyway) a choice as to whether or not they have a 3 month suspension or a 12-month period with one demerit point - if they elect this and are caught speeding during that 12-month period, they will lose their license for six months, no questions asked. So in essence they are punishing repeat offenders by putting them at risk of greater penalty if they stuff up again - much like the carry-over points system which punishes players heavily if they've offended in the past. Under my system, a different judiciary would be convened for each level and carry-over points would only apply to that particular level i.e. NRL carry-over points have no impact on SOO carry-over points.

2013-05-31T05:28:35+00:00

Bulldog blue

Guest


The system is wrong u go out n tip a bloke on his head n u get 5 weeks suspension another bloke does the same thing n is cleared to play because he has carry over points the system is wrong same offence same time out its like your drivers license get caught speeding u don't get less a fine for having more demerit points same offence equals same punishment

2013-05-31T05:22:55+00:00

Sleemo

Guest


Madrid John - haha thanks mate, would like the think the Blues are a good chance but they remain outsiders. My tip is for the Maroons and Blues to split the first two games, the media to label the decider "the biggest Origin game of all time" and Qld to win the last one in a close encounter. Haz - I would say that if a player does something that deserves a suspension in Origin, it shouldn't matter how many Origins they would miss as a result under my system. Wouldn't it be a great deterrent - although anything that results in a 15-week penalty would have to be pretty horrific to begin with, and like Dogs of War said, if he did something that resulted in a fifteen-match suspension then he probably deserves every one of them! Robz - agreed, under my system that would be the case, as trial matches are not part of a team's competitive season. Similarly, a player suspended from an incident in pre-season trials should only be suspended for pre-season trials - this year or next - and should not have to sit out NRL matches.

2013-05-31T05:19:24+00:00

Bulldog blue

Guest


2013-05-31T05:16:20+00:00

Robz

Guest


I'd also like to add into the mix that suspensions incurred in late season / finals NRL matches cannot be served by way of the following year's pre-season trial matches

2013-05-31T05:10:18+00:00

Dogs Of War

Roar Guru


Anyone who did a spear tackle that got 15 weeks deserves to missing SoO for 5 years.

2013-05-31T04:41:10+00:00

Haz

Guest


Problematic situation: Billy Smith commits the most atrocious spear tackle seen yet. He unquestionably gets suspended for 15 weeks. Poor ole Billy is now missing from Origin contention for 5 (FIVE!) years. Unlike the roundball game, there just aren't enough games in other competitions to justify a second set of judiciary books.

2013-05-30T19:10:55+00:00

madrid john

Guest


Well said Sleemo. and as a QLDer, best of luck mate, love your coach and i'm sure the lads in sky blue will do ye all proud. and go extremely close.

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