Football, the people’s game, needs reform

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    The English may have invented the game and the Brazilians perfected it, but as rival football fans in England come together to protest exorbitant ticket prices and Brazilians rally at the Confederations Cup, there seems little love left for the beautiful game.

    While the protests in Brazil are primarily directed at their government rather than the game itself, football has never been far from the scene. The growing Brazilian middle class is demanding greater political transparency and better public services.

    In this regard, the protests may seem a world away from English outcry against expensive ticket prices.

    To give mileage to the phrase ‘against modern football’ is to risk censure. As one English protester explained, you run the risk of sounding like “the 45-year-old bloke who sits in the pub and moans that there are no good bands anymore.”

    The fact is, following the professional game anywhere these days is to buy into ‘modern’ football. Fans of struggling teams usually forget the politics and take down the banners when an oil baron, media tycoon or property developer injects a few million dollars into club coffers.

    Moreover, it is hard to know where ‘modern’ football starts and ends. Football clubs have long been dependent on rich and powerful benefactors, while no amount of nostalgia will change the fact that fans have rarely ever been in the driver’s seat.

    Still, it’s becoming harder to ignore the fact the people’s game has increasingly little regard for ordinary fans. It’s popular to blame overpaid players, but the real problems are structural.

    In England, fans at all levels of the game are being fleeced for the privilege of watching their team. According to recent data from the BBC, a day out on the terraces at York City in the English Fourth Division costs nearly $40. What a world.

    The situation is, of course, far worse in the Premier League. Which is why fans, led by Liverpool’s ‘Spirit of Shankly’ Supporters Union, camped outside the FA last week.

    A deep, often irrational love for their club keeps them coming back and paying the high prices, but the economic realities of austerity in Britain makes it harder and harder for them to justify a family trip to the football.

    Meanwhile, in Brazil, there is a deep-seated concern about the money being spent on hosting the Confederations Cup, the World Cup and the Olympic Games. Never in my lifetime would I have suspected that Brazilians would be protesting against hosting a football tournament, but the level of discontentment is so great that the fight for better public services seems to have overshadowed even joga bonito.

    Dave Zirin once wrote, “The building of publicly funded stadiums has become a substitute for anything resembling urban policy.” The Brazilians are right to protest. As Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski outline in their book Soccernomics, hosting international sporting events doesn’t necessarily lead to greater national prosperity.

    If anything, Kuper and Szymanski found that “hosting [a World Cup] doesn’t make you rich, but it does make you happy.” We Australians are keenly aware of this disconnect after hosting the Olympic Games in 2000.

    However, at this rate, the authors may need to adjust their thesis. Plenty of Brazilians are neither richer nor happier, and the World Cup is still a year away.

    Still, the sad truth is that ticket prices in England are unlikely to be lowered significantly, while it’ll be far easier for FIFA to simply whisk the World Cup away to a less troublesome country than engage in the nation’s political process.

    Why? Because they can. It’s become unfashionable to talk about the reserve army of labour that strangles workers demands, but the same concept could readily be applied to the world game.

    While the unhappy few will hold up banners that read ‘the game is nothing without the fans’, the inverse also holds true. There will always be a country waiting in the wings for the World Cup should the violence continue in Brazil, just as their will always be someone who’ll be able to afford ridiculous ticket prices in England. The enormous reserve army of fans makes real change in football an elusive dream.

    In the case of the World Cup, the majority of the converging football pilgrims will likely view protesting Brazilians as a nuisance. And even for fans sympathetic to their demands, only a fraction will actually stay at home.

    Sadly, deep-seated national and club loyalties usually squash or distort any growing seeds of solidarity. If anything, football fans themselves perpetuate the divide and rule mentality, and as a result, few groups of people are so readily and happily exploited.

    The democratic deficit has well and truly enveloped football, and the soul of the game is gradually being eroded. The professional game is a business that nonchalantly sucks its participants dry.

    The fish rots from the head. FIFA is like a Trotskyist nightmare, in which the football revolution has well and truly conquered the globe, but the ideals of mass representation and mass democracy have been lost in murky personality politics and sectarian infighting. Changing FIFA now seems as daunting and difficult as reforming Stalinist Russia.

    Promises of Financial Fair Play and greater political transparency will only be the start of the corrective process, but they can’t come soon enough. Watch this space.

    With repressive Russia and Qatar preparing to host the World Cup in 2018 and 2022, and Rupert Murdoch planning his oligarchic international summer league cartel, politics will never stray far from the game we love.

    Joe Gorman
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    Joe Gorman is a football journalist with a particular interest in sports history. After completing his thesis on football in Australia, Joe started with The Roar in October 2012. He tweets from @JoeGorman_89.

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    • Roar Pro

      June 26th 2013 @ 3:19am
      Football United said | June 26th 2013 @ 3:19am | ! Report

      The game is being taken away from the fans who built it, faceless men enjoying the junkets to FIFA Congress’s or billionaire’s buying an EPL play-thing have no idea how much of a strain it can be financially to be a football fan these days. As for internationally, we can all only hope that Blatter just die’s soon for the good of the game but Fifa’s Scum nations like Qatar won’t be dealt with until more nations have the balls to stand up like England did post WC bid announcement and denounce those who are obviously responsible. In Asia, Football cannot afford to be taken backwards again by another middle eastern tool after the bahraini’s term is up. Australia, Japan and Korea need to put up a damn candidate and use whatever power it has to get the presidency to East Asia.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 9:07am
        Aljay said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:07am | ! Report

        Based on the rise and rise of the J-League and Japaneses national team’s fortunes, I’d happily back a Japanese candidate any day. I’m not sure Australia has a football administrator of the standard required yet and I think the good ones we do have should contribute more locally first.

      • Roar Guru

        June 26th 2013 @ 9:56am
        Fussball ist unser leben said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:56am | ! Report

        “Australia, Japan and Korea need to put up a damn candidate and use whatever power it has to get the presidency to East Asia.”

        And, what exactly will this achieve? If there are 208 voting members of FIFA, to elect a new president would require 102 votes in addition to the votes from AUS, JPN & KOR.

        The Asian Confederation has 47 members in total. So, even IF we could get the whole of Asia to vote as a block, we still need support from 58 other member associations.

        At the FIFA Congress in 2011, ENG put forward a ‘no confidence’ resolution aimed at outing Sepp Blatter, by asking Members to delay the vote for FIFA President until there was a thorough investigation into Blatter.

        189 FIFA members voted on ENG’s proposal: 17 members voted for ENG’s proposal; 172 voted against ENG’s proposal.

        Democracy ain’t easy.

        • Roar Pro

          June 26th 2013 @ 11:52am
          Football United said | June 26th 2013 @ 11:52am | ! Report

          I actually meant for the AFC Fuss, i wouldn’t we’d ever have the political nous to somehow get an Australian into the FIFA job.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 2:12pm
            Jacques said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

            I thought just recently they added an Australian woman into the committee. She played for the Matildas

    • June 26th 2013 @ 4:24am
      Bob Anderson said | June 26th 2013 @ 4:24am | ! Report

      The 45-year old bloke in the pub moaning there are no good bands anymore? Lol.

      The fact is there are very few good bands anymore. I’m 43 and yes, I am that bloke. The music today, what little there is of it, is corporate trash. I know many people in their 20’s who completely agree with that. There used to be so much more music in so many different genres. Today there is far less, at least beyond the local level. That’s a fact and I’m proud to admit I’m one of the blokes bemoaning this.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 6:29am
        my left foot said | June 26th 2013 @ 6:29am | ! Report

        You need to get your music from somewhere else! Or look somewhere else, comertial music has always been @#% no matter what age you are.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 12:24pm
          dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

          I’ll strongly argue that music was less @#% in the late 60’s and 70’s.

          THere is opportunity for good or even great groups to be successful these days but there’s far less diversity in style

          For example Thick As a brick, Tubular Bells could never be number one albums if released today (both of those were number 1 in Austraila). Both of those are one song albums (maybe two songs if we take in consideration that they had to split the song to fit two sides of a vinyl) , Tubular Bells is an album length instrumental.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 9:32pm
            my left foot said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:32pm | ! Report

            No, there was still @#%y pop during then, or have you forgotten?
            Sure there were some great bands, but a lot of @#% got pushed ahead of Mark Bolan.

            • June 26th 2013 @ 10:29pm
              dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 10:29pm | ! Report

              Pop music has always been popular

              The difference is that other genre music used to have a share of the table as well

              Now they don’t, or at the very least their share has been dramatically reduced.

              In any case, I’ll take the bad pop music of the 60’s over the bad pop music of today anyway

              Monkees > majority of what on the radio today.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 9:12am
        Aljay said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        On the bright side, all of that 80s and 90s music is really cheap now.

        Pearl Jam and Nirvana’s biggest albums were released before some of the starting Socceroos were even born.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 9:16am
        SFC said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:16am | ! Report

        I’ll bite. I’m 24 and can tell you that there is plenty of good music being released today.

        You probably think Bon Jovi are cool.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:43am
          Bob Anderson said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:43am | ! Report

          That’s always the response on a message board when this issue comes up. Could you provide some examples, that aren’t rap/hip hop, female pop signers, or these rubbish new metal genres. How well known are these new bands that are so good? If they are so good, how come they aren’t better known?

          As for Bon Jovi, do you consider it “uncool”? I’m glad I reached an age where I do not judge music on whether its “cool” or not. Cool is a made up standard. I can listen to my parents music now, like Sinatra, and enjoy it. When I was younger I would rather have died than give that a chance because it was “old fashioned.” Having an open mind about music works both ways generationally.

          • Roar Guru

            June 26th 2013 @ 9:55am
            Patrick Hargreaves said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:55am | ! Report

            Lincoln Le Fevre, The Smith Street Band, Wil Wagner, Nick van Breda, Foxtrot. Dont have to thank me.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 1:07pm
            Michael_Newcastle said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

            The Yeah Yeah Yeahs

          • June 26th 2013 @ 1:27pm
            fadida said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

            I’m 44 Bob and I could name 20 excellent bands now

            Bon Jovi were always shit BTW

          • June 26th 2013 @ 1:39pm
            Titus said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

            The Black Keys, Atoma, The Foals, Enter Shikari, The Gathering, Scale the Summit, Aenigma, Deafheaven, Kasabian, Metronomy, Wild Beasts, The Ocean, Agalloch, Les Discrets, Alcest… name a few.

            • June 26th 2013 @ 3:52pm
              millane said | June 26th 2013 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

              we may disagree on some sporting matters titus… but that is an impressive list… alcest last 2 albums are crackers….. the gathering, les discrets….. respect

              • June 26th 2013 @ 10:24pm
                Floyd Calhoun said | June 26th 2013 @ 10:24pm | ! Report

                Black Keys are worthy, but Swedish proto punk garage band, The Nomads take em all to the cleaners with ‘The way you touch my hand’. It’s from the early eighties, but still rocks. ABBA it ain’t. They started out doing US punk covers, and now they’re being covered.

            • June 26th 2013 @ 4:12pm
              Titus said | June 26th 2013 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

              Cheers millane!…..definitely plenty of good new music around if you look hard enough.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 2:00pm
            dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

            Despite my cynicism of 00’s

            I’ll try to list some of my favourite 00’s artist (I think it says something that I believe Paul McCartney written the best album of the decade followed by Steve Hackett followed by Brian Wilson. Go the dinosaurs as they have return to roam the earth)

            The Aliens – the album Luna is probably the best album by a 00’s band. Great updating of 60’s psychedelia for the modern age
            Franz Ferdinand – decent dance rock group.
            The Strokes – Overrated but their debut is decent I guess. Basically a modern version of Television but without the excellent Verlaine guitar playing.
            The White Stripes – White is a pretty excellent guitarist. Probably a harder rock version of Exile on main street
            The Black Keys – their debut is mixture of 30-40’s blues rock but played with 60’s guitar tone. Their recent album is a pretty decent Rolling stones substitute
            Gorillaz – interesting take on dance/electronica/rap music
            Zamutto – interesting tuneful experimental album
            The pipettes – modern take on the Phil Spector 60’s girl groups.
            Adele- well her singles are great singer songwriter , soul songs. Her voice is fantastic.

            • June 26th 2013 @ 2:22pm
              Titus said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

              Das….totally agree with Franz, The Strokes, The white stripes, The Black Keys, Gorillaz and yes even Adele…haven’t heard the others.

            • Roar Guru

              June 26th 2013 @ 2:34pm
              Griffo said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

              Black Keys “El Camino” is a rare album for me that I can listen to the whole thing without feeling the need to skip a track…

            • June 26th 2013 @ 3:05pm
              Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 26th 2013 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

              Tame impala?, very late naughties but they are one of the only bands who have reeeeally got my attention in recent memory.

              • June 26th 2013 @ 10:44pm
                dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 10:44pm | ! Report

                Tame Impala is an ok album. I like ELephant but I can’t say I enjoy it from start to finish. In terms of late psychedelia I’ll take Aliens.

                Oh yeah I forgot about other groups

                Arcade Fire
                The Darkness
                José González
                Gomez (although they are from the late 90’s)

        • June 26th 2013 @ 10:17am
          Ian said | June 26th 2013 @ 10:17am | ! Report

          if you don’t like ‘wanted dead or alive’ that’s your problem, not mine.

          how are Jay Z and Beyonce? fill me in on your latest twitter feeds from them.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 9:20am
        oly said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:20am | ! Report

        “Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974”

        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:45am
          Bob Anderson said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:45am | ! Report

          I was four years old, but yeah, I think you could make a good case for that.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:54am
          Australian Rules said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:54am | ! Report

          oly, it’s a scientific fact.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 12:10pm
          dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

          Lamb lies down on broadway, Red, Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy), Here Come the Warm Jets , Kimono My House , Propaganda, Relayer, Country Life, Planet Waves,Eldorado, Walls and bridges

          Pretty great year

        • June 26th 2013 @ 12:13pm
          dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

          However I’m probably a fan of 1967, 1969, 1973 in rock music a bit higher

      • June 26th 2013 @ 10:08am
        Jayden said | June 26th 2013 @ 10:08am | ! Report

        So long as you’re not a nickelback fan, that would be your first problem.

        Mumford and Sons, The Rubens, Of Monsters and Men, Linkin Park are all high quality, just to name a few.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 1:28pm
          fadida said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

          Okkervil River – like the Dortmund of music

        • June 26th 2013 @ 1:28pm
          fadida said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

          Okkervil River – like the Dortmund of music

          Wasn’t a double post, they’re just that good!

          • June 26th 2013 @ 2:39pm
            fadida said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

        • June 26th 2013 @ 1:30pm
          Australian Rules said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:30pm | ! Report

          You were doing so well… and then you mentioned Linkin Park.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 1:53pm
            Jayden said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

            Linkin Park pre-2010 were amazing 😀

            Imagine Dragons are also quite good, a little hit and miss though


            • June 26th 2013 @ 3:40pm
              fadida said | June 26th 2013 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

              Bastille 🙂 “oh I feel overjoyed…..”

              • June 26th 2013 @ 5:14pm
                Jayden said | June 26th 2013 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

                Just listened to Okkerville River


        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:25pm
          my left foot said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

          Sory, Linken Park? Comertialised vomit passed off as punk, no not quality.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 11:27am
        Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 26th 2013 @ 11:27am | ! Report

        Well all this talk of music and unrest and Brazil compells me to post this song by Brazilian metal masters Sepultura.Alhough you can’t understand what hes saying its basically what the lovely lady in the clip above is getting at,in a much more growly way.

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          June 26th 2013 @ 1:04pm
          Joe Gorman said | June 26th 2013 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

          Sepultura, a brilliant band. Good post

          • June 26th 2013 @ 2:56pm
            Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 26th 2013 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

            Cheers,yes an amazing album was Chaos A.D,the lyrics about police commiting massacres in prisons to stop overcrowding,destruction of the Amazon,the mistreatment of the indigenous tribes etc really opened my to eyes about the country as a 13yr old.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 11:55am
        dasilva said | June 26th 2013 @ 11:55am | ! Report

        As someone in my 20’s I absolute agree with you

        I grew up listening to 90’s music however I became less interested in modern music when the 00’s came. I disliked the 80’s influence creeping in mostly due to bands being obsessed about combining electornic music with rock music and I saw the basic disintegration in basic songwriting where the idea of writing good complex melodies combined with interesting music was a dying art. Music became more fragmented with bands specialising in genre, so you see groups that were extremely shallow pop, some groups extremely based on atmosphere, some groups extremely based on experimentalism and avantgarde etc. However what happen to the all-rounders in music who get the best of all world, the artist who were atmospheric as any ambient artist, as catchy as any pop star, as complex interesting music as any progressive rock as emotionally resonant as any folk singer/songwriter. I’ll say that artist were far more versatile in skills back in the past than today. I suspect this is due to the impact of the internet where songwriters can specialised in their own niche genre to appeal to purist fans rather being forced to compete with other band for space on the radio and diversifying their skills.

        I soon realised why, those 90’s rock band that I love (Radiohead, Blur, PJ Harvey, Nick Cave, Flaming Lips) were 60’s and 70’s revivalist artist. I soon decided to look to the past and look at all those artist that influence them and those 60’s and 70’s rock band were so far superior to modern music.

    • Roar Guru

      June 26th 2013 @ 6:18am
      NUFCMVFC said | June 26th 2013 @ 6:18am | ! Report

      Quite ironic that the whole ‘feelgood take the World Cup to poorer countries’ mentality by the do-gooder brigade is coming somewhat unstuck

      Ultimately this to me shows that football at World Cup level is something of a global middle class event, and when it is held in a country with a lot of poverty or merely a fledgeling middle class of sorts the disparities are highlighted

      So it’s a bit of a lose-lose situation, either hold it in rich countires where it is deemed inaccessible to large volumes of the games fans or hold it in the poorer countries and then have it turn into a point of contention. Either way I don’t think it’s entirely a bad thing if it is bringing local issues to the surface to be resolved I suppose but it isn’t a good look to FIFA after the 2018/2022 bidding farce and the low esteem in which the organisation is held due to corruption

      As for English football, the EPL is a bit of an issue given it has been seperated from the English FA and so isn’t concerned with the English football fraternity which includes the fans but has been turned a commercial enterprise which is based in England but being increasingly removed from England.

      Germany have a good balance, but in England they used Hillsborough and the myth of it being a product of hooliganism to go to all-seater stadia and not allow moderninsing of standing areas like in Germany, we still have people trying to persist with a rubbish argument that safe standing isn’t proven despite Germany being a case study and even with 22/23 Championship clubs wanting to explore the issue we have the Championship head going against it because they are all proxies of a greater agenda which doesen’t have the interests of the English football fraternity at its heart

      • June 26th 2013 @ 6:42am
        my left foot said | June 26th 2013 @ 6:42am | ! Report

        Good post, especialy about the disparity. Imagine living in Greece, Spain, shanty in Brazil and seeing players getting paid $1M a year, new stadia built, players bought for silly funds when you are surviving on handouts.
        It’s more a social problem that permeates everything, not just football. But the celibration ofspending / charging unrealistic amounts of money would compound an already dissalutioned majority,

      • June 26th 2013 @ 8:59am
        Elisha Pearce said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:59am | ! Report

        “Quite ironic that the whole ‘feelgood take the World Cup to poorer countries’ mentality by the do-gooder brigade is coming somewhat unstuck

        Ultimately this to me shows that football at World Cup level is something of a global middle class event, and when it is held in a country with a lot of poverty or merely a fledgeling middle class of sorts the disparities are highlighted”

        Solid analysis there mate. Holding it in poorer countries that have a poor population because of either corruption or oppression is always going to backfire too. (Russia).
        Brazil is a bit more complicated than that, they’re similar to Turkey. Trying to work out how democracy should work for them. But the highlighted class gaps are still very present right now.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:42am
          nordster said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:42am | ! Report

          Russia is an interesting place when u look past the veneer narrative most accept in the west. For a country thats only recently emerged from decades of authoritarian communism, they are really not all that oppressive or corrupt. People make the mistake of judging many of these places in the world from our own perspective.

          ‘Working out how democracy will work for them’…about the same as it works every where, rule of the mob. One group takes turns in ruling over the other via mass coercion.

          As for the Cup being a middle class event…well the only way to move past that is to take it out into the world. Even if it means going to countries that are not considered perfect. The alternative is leaving it as the sole plaything of countries that are deemed by western elites to be worthy of it.

          • June 26th 2013 @ 9:50am
            Franko said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:50am | ! Report

            “they are really not all that oppressive or corrupt”

            You have never been to Russia.

            • June 27th 2013 @ 10:43am
              nordster said | June 27th 2013 @ 10:43am | ! Report

              Im talking relative to what was before it….

    • June 26th 2013 @ 8:07am
      Towser said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:07am | ! Report

      When they scrapped the 20 pound a week maximum wage in 1961,Johnny Haynes became the first footballer to get a 100 pound a week.
      From that point on with the ever increasing influence of TV & revenues from the same,football changed forever to what we see today.
      This is where I find your heading Joe “Football, the people’s game, needs reform” an irrelevant one.
      Reform to what we may ask. There’s no going back as you indicate yourself in the last paragraph ,simply because of the massive amounts of moolah involved.
      Whilst Fans turn up in numbers(including the EPL ) theres no reason for any governing body be that the FA or FIFA to look at reform.
      Fans have always complained. The adoration of footballers by the average fan is not directly related to his wage packet.
      Before Johnny Haynes footballers were revered(as they are today) for skill on the park, that the average bloke could only dream of.
      Yet they still had an axe to grind with Football.
      I well remember my Father & Grandfather’s generation supping pints in the pub & complaining(even though a footballers wage wasn’t much more than theirs) that they sweated away in the heavy & often dangerous steelworks of Sheffield( in conditions that safety inspectors today would cringe at) whilst footballers were being paid for being fit as they saw it.
      Yet they like fans today still turned up to see “the magicians with the ball”.
      Football will need reform when fans are no longer in love with that magic.
      It will not be anything to do with the social,financial conditions of the prevailing era.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 8:32am
        Bob Anderson said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:32am | ! Report

        Has anyone ever posted anything on the internet that someone hasn’t immediately said is completely bogus? I know someone always jumps in and tells me I’m completely wrong when ever I express an opinion on the internet. That said, I believe this article hits the mark on its key points. Modern sports salaries are ridiculous, the average person is priced out of attending, and that perhaps if enough people make noise about it, it could change a little bit. Perhaps they will find a way to offer some lower cost tickets or something. Saying nothing, for sure nothing will change.

    • June 26th 2013 @ 8:37am
      nordster said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:37am | ! Report

      Reform to what exactly? Your hysterics over a lack of mass representation or democracy is misguided. More democracy will only lead to more sectarianism and politicisation. Thats the reality of democracy….’majoritarianism, the god that failed’… Its remarkable how disconnected leftists can be on this…ultimately the end point of more democracy is nothing like the fairy land u imagine. Football is now more global, and like it or not ‘repressive’ Russia and Qatar have plenty of support outside of the world that has controlled the game so far.

      All for more transparency but replacing one central, bureaucratic body with another is no way to achieve this. Watch this space indeed as those who are losing control will attempt to manufacture a shift.

      The recent upheavals in Brazil are about a whole lot more than football ticket prices or even hosting the tournament at their core. Government and corporatist economies just do not work for the young and disenfranchised. Unfortunately, the circular arguments of the left fail to grasp the reasons for this. The works of Murray Rothbard, Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises should really be translated into as many developing nations languages as possible!

      • June 26th 2013 @ 9:38am
        Bob Anderson said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:38am | ! Report

        The young and disinfranchised actually think they have good music to listen to today, lol.

        • June 26th 2013 @ 9:43am
          nordster said | June 26th 2013 @ 9:43am | ! Report

          Haha yeah until u tell them its all derivative of the last era. I always hated that ….which is why i still dont acknowledge any music pre 90s 🙂 (except early Sonic Youth!)

    • June 26th 2013 @ 8:38am
      jamesb said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:38am | ! Report

      “in Brazil, there is a deep-seated concern about the money being spent on hosting the Confederations Cup, the World Cup”

      Brazil needs to have 12 stadiums at the ready for next years World Cup. The thing I like to know is, why is there a need for a country to build/upgrade 12 stadiums?

      I would’ve thought that the most logical number of stadiums to have in a world cup is 8, simply because there is 8 groups competing.

      I don’t understand the need to build/upgrade 12 stadiums?

      It’s a waste of money.

      • June 26th 2013 @ 8:57am
        AGO74 said | June 26th 2013 @ 8:57am | ! Report

        Why? Because FIFA say so. Just like they also say to the Brazil govt that they must change the laws so that FIFA can make billions out of the tournament – tax free. But as Sepp says, the protests have nothing to do with the world cup….

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