Manchester United big winners both on and off the field in Australia

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    Manchester United were simply spectacular on Saturday night. The guy who wore his Fernando Torres jersey and sat next to me was not.

    From their clinical attack to their solidity in defense, the English champions were nothing short of mesmerising against the A-League All Stars.

    They were every bit the entertainers that the crowd desperately wanted them to be, and completely and utterly deserving of their first victory under new manager David Moyes.

    With five spectacular goals to their name, the Red Devils were crowned as winners on the field on Saturday night, but the same could equally be said off it as well.

    Their Australian tour has been a success, not just because they picked up a victory from the friendly match, but because they made a million small victories along the way in the hearts and minds of anyone who watched them play.

    Over 80,000 people flowed in to the ANZ Stadium to create a sea of red and white, and surely millions more watched United live on their television screens.

    Having witnessed a fair share of sporting events at ANZ Stadium ranging from Grand Finals to Olympic events, people present at the stadium would surely have been blown away by the one-sided support that United received despite being the away team.

    Manchester United were swamped at their training session on Friday night, and they filled up an Olympic stadium the corresponding night. Had it been possible, they would likely have got closer to 800,000 people turn up to watch them play.

    That’s the appeal, and draw, of Manchester United.

    And while the game it’self might be remembered for some spectacular goals from Danny Welbeck and Jesse Lingard, that’s not what made United such big winners from their Australian tour. Neither is the fact that they dominated a supposed team of “stars” and made them look like division-14 footballers.

    No, this tour was a success for more than what happened on the field.

    It was all the t-shirts, jackets, programs, replica balls, jerseys and tickets sold that led to it being a success. It was all the fans that they were hounded by everywhere they went. It was all the memories that were created and legacies that were left.

    And in a way, their biggest success is that for years, people will be talking about the fact that they got to witness Manchester United.

    For they got to witness international stars in Robin van Persie and Rio Ferdinand. They witnessed a club legend in Ryan Giggs and the latest young talent in Wilfried Zaha. The fans – all 80,000 of them – were given an experience that they’ll likely never have again and a memory that they will cherish forever.

    You can’t buy that, and you certainly can’t make it happen on the field.

    That type of thing just happens, and it happened in a big way for Manchester United. And so regardless of what happens over the remainder of the summer transfer window (or indeed the 2013/14 Premier League season), Manchester United will remain winners in the eyes of Australian fans right around the world.

    Even the guy in his Fernando Torres jersey was impressed.

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    • July 21st 2013 @ 4:27am
      1860melbourne said | July 21st 2013 @ 4:27am | ! Report

      I hate MAN U with a passion but you have to be impressed with what they have done for football since they have arrived. Front and back pages of the newspapers and the tv news networks. Filling the coffers of our A league clubs. In a month where the other codes take precedence . Its great to have these overseas clubs here. Give me Bundesliga over the EPL any day. Lets get Bayern or Dortmund to show us how real football should be played.

      • July 21st 2013 @ 7:02am
        swerve said | July 21st 2013 @ 7:02am | ! Report

        Shouldn’t you be commenting on SBS World Game website? “Hate” what an ugly response. Bayern or Borussia wouldn’t have the “pull” of United nor would they make the night the spectacle it was last night.

      • July 21st 2013 @ 10:15pm
        Nik said | July 21st 2013 @ 10:15pm | ! Report

        The EPL as you guys refer to it is widely regarded as the best league in the world. Yeah sure Bayern Munich and Dortmund are great clubs but the rest of their league is extremely poor. In the premier league the competition is a lot tighter in the middle of the pack which makes it by far the most entertaining league to watch and at the end of the day it’s an entertainment industry. You keep your bundesleague I’d take the premiership all day long!

    • July 21st 2013 @ 4:51am
      Jukes said | July 21st 2013 @ 4:51am | ! Report

      The Euro snobs were out in force tonight all supporting their “local club” Manure United. I thought they played well and the gulf in class was obvious. Now that circus is over bring on the A league season asap. Something I am really looking forward to.

    • July 21st 2013 @ 5:30am
      Professor Rosseforp said | July 21st 2013 @ 5:30am | ! Report

      “You can’t buy that” — er, actually, you can, if you pay the money for your seat at the stadium.
      On a broader scale, the Man Utd has bought the players, coaches, support staff, etc.
      The game was a good lark, and the professional PR work has certainly won the team more fans.
      For the A-League players, it was all about being spotted by overseas clubs, and I don’t think too many of them will be getting calls from talent scouts today.
      For the A-League followers, it has put things into perspective with a bang!

      • July 21st 2013 @ 7:26am
        JAJI said | July 21st 2013 @ 7:26am | ! Report

        Absolutely irrelevant for the A League apart from the fact yet again football puts the other codes to shame and in its off season too

        That result would have happened if they toured about 100 other countries

      • July 21st 2013 @ 9:39am
        oly09 said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:39am | ! Report

        Perspective? The All Stars team was put together in a week and had zero warm up games.

      • July 21st 2013 @ 10:46am
        nickoldschool said | July 21st 2013 @ 10:46am | ! Report

        Prof, I don’t think any HAL follower has ever claimed the Oz league was at the level of the likes of Man U tbh. Plus we had one team vs a selection of blokes who have only been training together for a few days.

        That’s football, Bayern schooled Barca this year on 2 occasions, why expect a selection of A league players to prove Anything against Man U?

        Perso, am not a fan of the ‘all stars’ stuff. Prefers a club vs club thing, it gives more credibility to oz football and clubs IMO.

      • Roar Guru

        July 21st 2013 @ 10:56am
        Fussball ist unser leben said | July 21st 2013 @ 10:56am | ! Report

        “For the A-League followers, it has put things into perspective with a bang!”

        You’ve lost me – what deep insights can you learn, or what can you put into perspective, after a 90′ practice match?

        The majority of that Man United team would have trained together – virtually lived together – every day for the best part of 12 months. By contrast, the A-League players have trained together for 1 week.

        If you’re suggesting the 1-5 scoreline “puts things into perspective with a bang”, what were your perspectives after Man United beat Arsenal 8-2 in an EPL match 2 years ago?

        As Ange observed in his post match media interview – Manchester United will probably beat EPL teams by more than 5-1 this season … so what does that say about the ALeague?

        • July 21st 2013 @ 11:33am
          fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:33am | ! Report

          Agree Fuss

        • July 21st 2013 @ 12:10pm
          bryan said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

          Well said,Fuss!

          That is exactly the argument I was going to make,but I didn’t have the stats to hand.

          I witnessed a worse mismatch recently,where the Glory played a friendly against Gosnells City.

          Gosnells got killed,as expected —–9 to 1,but they played their heart out,& had nothing to be ashamed of.

          The same with the All Stars,as a scratch team put together “at a moment’s notice”,they did well.

          I don’t even hate Berisha any more! πŸ™‚

          • July 22nd 2013 @ 10:00am
            Ian said | July 22nd 2013 @ 10:00am | ! Report

            ‘don’t hate berisha anymore’………..something else good that came out of the match!!

        • July 21st 2013 @ 2:45pm
          Evan Askew said | July 21st 2013 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

          I gotta adnit Fuss that you are an argumentative bastard. But I am deeply thankfull a lot of times for your ability verbally slap some people down in the most devastating of fashions.

          • July 21st 2013 @ 7:38pm
            Professor Rosseforp said | July 21st 2013 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

            Yes, I guess I’ve been slapped down!!
            I love the A-League, and think it’s a pretty good competition. I’m not a closet leaguie or VFL supporter, either, so I’m not sure why Herr Fussball has got stuck into my comments, seeing problems that aren’t there.
            Perhaps I didn’t express myself well enough, or perhaps Fussy is just a nark, as I’ve been on the receiving end before when I actually agree with him — as in this case.
            I did not expect the A-League to win, but I did sit up and take notice that Man U had a level of skill, a level of teamwork, a level of vision, a level of strategy, and a level of reading the game that was lacking in the A-Leaguers, and they were fit, too.
            Big ups to the referee for ignoring the occasional dives, and a big thumbs down to the linesman who could have called the 4th goal offside, had he kept up with the ball.
            Speaking of perspectives, I know that United is not England, but English teams are still struggling against Spanish teams, who are now struggling against German teams.
            Nickoldchool, “I don’t think any HAL follower has ever claimed the Oz league was at the level of the likes of Man U” — I certainly didn’t, but my point stands — this was a successful PR exercise, a good bit of fun, and a chance for all the A-Leaguers to be spotted by talent scouts. I don’t think they needed to open their notebooks.

            • July 22nd 2013 @ 9:54am
              Michael_Newcastle said | July 22nd 2013 @ 9:54am | ! Report

              I think the match between Liverpool and MVFC will be slightly more indicative of the league vs the EPL.

              But really, I don’t think anyone should have even imagined that a group of A-League players cobbled together to train for a week, missing some major international marquees and missing quite a few players to the East Asian Cup, could even be remotely competitive to one of the best teams in the world and one of the most consistent and successful teams in the EPL.

              And yet, the A-League All Stars played very creditably. They played out from the back, tried to keep posession, they even scored a goal!

            • July 22nd 2013 @ 4:35pm
              Jillie Boel said | July 22nd 2013 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

              a chance to be spotted by talent scouts?
              wouldn’t a club that sent a talent scout to a match like this be … on second thoughts, your logic and comment don’t deserve any more words.

        • July 21st 2013 @ 8:01pm
          OneJayBee said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:01pm | ! Report

          well said FIUL. I took my 9 year old son to the game for his first big event and I think he was impressed (though his highlight was probably the mexican wave… πŸ™‚ ). UTD were very sharp, quicker and well oiled, to refer to the A League All Stars (or, ironically, ALAS) as a Div 14 is very unfair. It wasn’t even the best A League side thanks to a number of players not being released… given the lack of preparation I thought they did pretty well, apart from Berishas goal there were a few other good chances…If they played again next week I think it may be even more competitive….

        • July 22nd 2013 @ 10:14am
          mahonjt said | July 22nd 2013 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          Spot on Fuss.

    • July 21st 2013 @ 6:51am
      1860melbourne said | July 21st 2013 @ 6:51am | ! Report

      The thing I hate most about these games is that the best players are never available for some reason or other. This week we have the Melbourne youth team taking on Liverpool. The only positive that will come out of the game is a big pay check for Victory at the end of the day and some of the young guys getting to play against their idols.

      • July 21st 2013 @ 3:54pm
        kramer said | July 21st 2013 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

        Hate this, hate that, a lot of hatred there buddy!

        All i saw where people enjoying themselves watching a game of football! after all, it is just a game of football!

    • July 21st 2013 @ 7:31am
      johnb747b said | July 21st 2013 @ 7:31am | ! Report

      Man U is a massive business based on a global recognition of its brand name. Sir Alex made sure that team performance underpinned the club’s success.

      The club’s PR on this trip has been superlatively good. Their appearance at Origin 3 was a master stroke, especially the Giggs interview with his old mate Johns & his revelation that as a kid he’d been a ballboy at a rugby league test between Oz & Britain.

      Players happily signing autographs was also a wonderful gesture.

      They’ve made a lot of friends this time & have got the code onto the front pages. Their demeanour, however, was as memorable as their performance on the pitch.

    • July 21st 2013 @ 8:03am
      Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:03am | ! Report

      Holger’s fourth best national team select overcome the odds to hold on for a creditable draw against a full strength Sth Korean team on their home turf. Compare that with Ange’s All stars who crumble under the might of Man U on our own home turf. So what do the knockers have to say now, who wanted Ange to replace Holger for the last three WC qualifiers, or with who ever…?

      • July 21st 2013 @ 8:13am
        Stevo said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:13am | ! Report

        Just watched the replay of the said EAFF game and we were extremely lucky not to concede half dozen goals. We were outplayed and had our ass smacked black and blue. Is that the game you’re referring to?

        • July 21st 2013 @ 8:33am
          Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:33am | ! Report

          Yes Australia’s fourth-fifth best select held on for a draw against a full strength Sth Korean and got the result.

          • July 21st 2013 @ 9:03am
            Stevo said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:03am | ! Report

            Yes, not the first team or probably the second. “Held on for a draw” actually means that the the S. Korean’s were held out by a terrific game from Hugene who confirmed to me his spot in the Socceroos team for Brazil. What’s the comparison that can be drawn between Holger and Ange based on last night’s games (I didn’t see the ManYou game)?

            • July 21st 2013 @ 9:12am
              fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:12am | ! Report

              Qantas won’t give you a rational argument mate.
              “we got the result, doesn’t matter how, Holger is the best”

              • July 21st 2013 @ 2:18pm
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

                Fad—don’t you think you overly flatter yourself with your own football analysis…? Yes we got the result 0-0, where I was expecting a loss to Sth Korea with our fringe players representing us.. Oh of course you were expecting a 1-5 victory.

            • July 21st 2013 @ 11:34am
              Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:34am | ! Report

              I’m not wanting to make a comparison between Ange vs Holger. It was the fools who wanted to sack Holger for Ange for the remaining last 3 WC qualifiers. Nothing to gain, but all to lose, and in the end Holger proved the detractors 100% wrong. For those who stood by Holger when the going got tough were proven to be right by not panicking and staying on course.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 4:35pm
                Midfielder said | July 21st 2013 @ 4:35pm | ! Report


                Spot on about Holger and we must give thanks to Frank Lowy for getting him as a coach and standing by him…

              • July 22nd 2013 @ 4:36pm
                realfootball said | July 22nd 2013 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

                Utter rubbish. Holger got lucky with one desperate, last gasp gamble of a substitution.

                Now, suddenly, he’s a genius. Qantas, I could write what you know about football on the nail of my smallest toe.

              • July 23rd 2013 @ 8:57am
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 23rd 2013 @ 8:57am | ! Report

                RF—still sulking hey, the man who said Holger wouldn’t get the Roos to Brazil. Well if my knowledge is as small as you say it is, then yours can be written onto a head of pin. Lucky my ass… “I was nearly right” the story of your life.. lol

          • July 21st 2013 @ 9:08am
            Punter said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:08am | ! Report

            Was not Full strength Koreans. These were all form the local K League.

            • July 21st 2013 @ 9:22am
              fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:22am | ! Report

              Exactly. Of the two games, the A-league side were the ones most out of their depth. The gulf in the two games performance wise was the same. One team lost, one got lucky.

              Still (once you remove logic from the argument) Holger is the greatest apparently:)

              • July 21st 2013 @ 5:22pm
                c said | July 21st 2013 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

                fad one got one got Eugene.

            • July 21st 2013 @ 1:43pm
              Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 21st 2013 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

              Correct. Japan, Australia and Korea are all in the same boat. Only China has a full strength team.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 2:21pm
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

                Yeah but to what degree are we in the same boat..?

              • July 22nd 2013 @ 12:45am
                Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 22nd 2013 @ 12:45am | ! Report

                In so far we have fringe national players and un-capped players in Europe who would love to be given the chance to wear the national colours……. a very similar boat.

              • July 22nd 2013 @ 12:51am
                Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 22nd 2013 @ 12:51am | ! Report

                Just checked. They capped 6 players against us and have another 4 or so uncapped in the squad.

            • July 21st 2013 @ 5:37pm
              Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 5:37pm | ! Report

              Punter—I can only think of 2 Sth Korean players that play in Europe the rest play in Asian leagues and all were available as far as I know for selection. Who wasn’t available for selection for Sth Korea?

              • July 22nd 2013 @ 12:57am
                Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 22nd 2013 @ 12:57am | ! Report

                Que? In the EPL alone I can think of Koreans in Cardiff, Sunderland, Arsenal and Swansea. They are also well represented in the Bundesliga amongst others.

            • July 22nd 2013 @ 2:07pm
              Phutbol said | July 22nd 2013 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

              Not exactly Punter. I believe 7 from KOR were J-league based. To be fair, a higher proportion of their first choice team are in the squad or available than ours (minus the Euro based players) as many of their first selection are Asian based.

          • July 22nd 2013 @ 12:33pm
            vinnie said | July 22nd 2013 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

            Hey Qantas you make us sound like a minnow nation hanging onto a draw because the opposition is out playing us.

            we were outplayed by a second string sth Korean team, its as simple as that. sick of these sugar coating supporters!

      • July 21st 2013 @ 8:17am
        Ian said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:17am | ! Report

        i get where you are coming from on the osieck angle, but no point belittling the All Stars. Some of the players in the national squad would have been in the all stars squad if the games weren’t on at the same time. and we still may have had a similar scoreline. it wasn’t a 4th best squad either for holger

        • July 21st 2013 @ 8:42am
          Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 8:42am | ! Report

          I was not belting the All Stars just pointing out the different circumstances each manager has to face when selecting a squad to get an important result—especially when the circumstances are not of his making.

          • July 21st 2013 @ 9:10am
            fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 9:10am | ! Report

            So Postecoglu was “given” a squad, not of his making, and then had more than half of the best players unavailable. No reasonable minded, informed football person would legitimately call them “all-stars” to back up their POV (as you are doing)

            Osieck had more choice in his selection, chose Thwaite at LB (how did that go Qantas? ;)), Zadkovic over Mooy. He cannot pick a team.

            Relatively speaking even a full strength a-league side were always more out of their depth of the 2 teams. Osieck’s side scraped a point with a poor performance. They could have easily lost by 4, but for a lot of luck.

            But yes, you showed us Qantas πŸ™‚

            • July 21st 2013 @ 10:31am
              Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 10:31am | ! Report

              No one got past Thwaite on his left side—the main threat was down the centre or on the right side. The score was 0-0 if you didn’t know, and it was just about the full strength Sth Korean squad or near enough, playing in season.

              The team that was given to Ange would have just about been the team he would have selected and were belted 5-1 by Man U, whereas Thailand defeated Man U. Therefore we should have seen a much better performance from the All Stars under Ange. Even managing a 0-0 scoreline should have been in his reach.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 11:14am
                Ian said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:14am | ! Report

                i think you are having a go at the All Stars now.

                “the team would have been what Ange selected” (paraphrased)

                wrong. i addressed that above. multiple players missing, fan vote, selection panel vote etc..then picking a player from each club. Did you not follow any of the articles on this site or others?

                You have no knowledge of the Thai team, perhaps they were better, you have no knowledge of how Man U played against them, the squad may have been different, intensity levels different.
                All we know is Man U would have been embarrassed slightly losing 1-0 to them so would make sure this game would not be a repeat.

                Comparing All Stars v ManU VS Aust v South Korea is quite sad.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 11:47am
                Jim said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:47am | ! Report

                I agree that Postecoglu is seriously overrated as a coach and would not rate in the best 6 in the aleague.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 12:04pm
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

                The All Stars were very much a team close to what Ange would have picked.. no doubt. Ono and ADP not available so what? I reckon if Broich, Berisha and Miller were eligible to play for the Roos Holger would have chosen those players for his squad. In fact the All Stars on paper looked to be a stronger team than the Roos. However, circumstance for selection were somewhat different for both teams. All Stars were the best available A-League for the Man U Game chosen by fans and Ange (I’ll bet you he had a say looking at the nominees) the Roos were a somewhat experimental team of new and fringe players given their shot for selection for Brazil 2014. As far as the game Thailand v Man U is concerned history will tell you that Thailand won the match against Man U and that is all that matters in the end. Under what circumstances we will never know.

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                July 21st 2013 @ 12:41pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:41pm | ! Report


                “The All Stars were very much a team close to what Ange would have picked.. no doubt”

                I’m not sure if you realise, but 19 of the ALeague’s best Aussie players are in Korea playing in the EAFF Cup.

                If Holger thinks those 19 are good enough to play for AUS, logic suggests they’d be chosen before the Aussie players, who were in the team last night.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 2:36pm
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

                @ Fuss I can think of 3 ineligible players in Australia who lined up for the All Stars, which Holger would have loved to have in his team against Sth Korea last night. Let’s not forget Holger was using some new talent, ex Roar players to name a couple to show him what they were made of.

            • July 21st 2013 @ 11:08am
              Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:08am | ! Report

              Mooy??? Ha, ha, he was WSW reserve player for most to all of last season (correct me if I’m mistaken about that)… πŸ˜€ Go get a life mate.

              • Roar Guru

                July 21st 2013 @ 11:23am
                Fussball ist unser leben said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:23am | ! Report


                You are mistaken. Mooy played 23 out of 29 matches last season. He missed a few games through National Team duty (EAFF qualifiers) & injury.

                I think Mooy is a top quality talent – one of the best in his position in the ALeague

              • July 21st 2013 @ 11:23am
                fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 11:23am | ! Report

                Mooy was as a regular for WSW. Milligan, Hersi, ADP, Ono, Goodwin, Sainsbury, Traore, Thompson. I could go on about players Postecoglu would/could have picked given the chance/availability.

                You honestly think he would have “chosen” that side? Good lord πŸ™‚

              • July 21st 2013 @ 12:18pm
                Qantas supports Australian Football said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

                Sorry, but the end of season finals Mooy couldn’t get selected as first choice in his team and spent his time on the bench as I recall and Traore had a season ending injury… For heaven sake and you didn’t know that? lol But I agree he is one for the future.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 12:32pm
                Jukes said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                Mooy was injured towards the end of the season. Otherwise he is a certain starter in the finals.

              • July 21st 2013 @ 12:41pm
                fadida said | July 21st 2013 @ 12:41pm | ! Report

                I did say if “available” Qantas. Well aware Traore was injured.

              • Roar Rookie

                July 21st 2013 @ 10:39pm
                Ralph Nadeer said | July 21st 2013 @ 10:39pm | ! Report

                The game sold out in 15 minutes and they weren’t paying 100 bucks to see Mooy.

                The Scum were expected to win and the A-League team only trained together for a couple of hours and didn’t even want to play with each other.

                You couldn’t have expected anything else and this will do no damage to the A-League and true A-League supporters.

                80k of those football “fans” have probably never seen an A-League game and were expecting them to get flogged.

                Bring on the start of the season man.

      • July 22nd 2013 @ 9:56am
        Michael_Newcastle said | July 22nd 2013 @ 9:56am | ! Report

        We say that the style of play by Holger’s heroes was TERRIBLE. They were extremely lucky and had Galekovich to thanks for not having their asses handed to them on a plate.

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