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All Blacks hammer Wallabies 47-29 in Bledisloe Cup

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    The All Blacks have chalked up their 100th Test win over the Wallabies – a commanding 47-29 triumph – to leave Australia’s Bledisloe Cup hopes in tatters for yet another year.

    It was a sorry case of new coach, same old Wallabies as the All Blacks piled on six tries to two at ANZ Stadium in an ominous opening to the world champions’ Rugby Championship campaign.

    No Dan Carter, no problems for the All Blacks, with Ewen McKenzie unable to replicate the feat of his coaching predecessor Robbie Deans and mastermind a victory over Australia’s trans-Tasman rivals in his first Test at the helm.

    After entering the McKenzie era full of hope and excitement, the Wallabies now face the grim prospect of watching the All Blacks hoist the Bledisloe Cup for a 12th straight year next Saturday in Wellington.

    The Wallabies haven’t beaten the All Blacks in New Zealand in 14 Tests since 2001 and, even if they find a way to break the long drought, the series will be decided at Dunedin’s House of Pain on October 19.

    Not since 1949 have the Wallabies won back-to-back Tests in New Zealand in the same year.

    On Saturday night’s showing, the Wallabies can kiss the Cup goodbye with the All Blacks outclassing McKenzie’s men across the park.

    Rookie fullback Jesse Mogg had a shocker, playmaker-cum-winger James O’Connor went missing and Israel Folau barely touched the ball as Australia’s grand plan to run the world champions ragged proved fanciful.

    Australia had conjured just one try in their four previous Bledisloe clashes under Deans and, if not for a 70-metre solo effort from halfback Will Genia and a last-minute consolation five-pointer to O’Connor, they would have gone tryless once again.

    Mogg was hooked after All Blacks centre Conrad Smith brushed him off to secure victory with New Zealand’s fourth try in the 58th minute.

    While he couldn’t be blamed for the defeat, uncapped five-eighth Matt Toomua followed suit shortly after as McKenzie threw mercurial playmaker Quade Cooper into the fray for his first Test after 11 months in exile under Deans.

    But trailing by 18 points with as many minutes remaining, Cooper’s task was mission impossible and it was the All Blacks, in fact, who continued their tryscoring avalanche upon his introduction.

    Winger Ben Smith, who opened the scoring in just the third minute and then nabbed a second early in the second half, completed his hat-trick eight minutes before fulltime.

    With centre Christian Lealiifano landing four penalty goals, Australia actually led 12-10 after 28 minutes.

    But their advantage lasted but a minute, with five-eighth and man-of-the-match Aaron Cruden charging down a sloppy kick from Lealiifano to score the softest of tries and then slotting the conversion.

    The All Blacks were in again three minutes later when O’Connor was caught off his wing and skipper Richie McCaw – playing his first Test in almost nine months after a sabbatical – dived over in the corner.

    Genia’s long-range effort, after flanker Michael Hooper pounced a lost All Blacks lineout throw, kept the Wallabies within striking distance at just 25-19 down at the break.

    But three tries to the two Smiths put the Wallabies to the sword before O’Connor crossed in the dying seconds.

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    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:15pm
      Nick Turnbull said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:15pm | ! Report

      Congrats. Yes it hurts…alot.

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:25pm
        Jokerman said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

        Don’t worry Nick get some sleep and you will feel better in the morning.

        Well, that felt good. My prediction below two hours before kick off….

        “Yeah I’m a feeling a great game with the All Blacks winning around that 10-15 margin. Ok…maybe 17:)”

        Awesome game.

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:30pm
          Nick Turnbull said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:30pm | ! Report

          Cheers jokerman….more rum bar keep. Enjoy it. Iam stilla very very proud Australian and proud of the team I love, the Wallabies.

          We have Colplay Paradise on volume 13 and still smiling. Life goes on….just.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 10:52pm
            Jokerman said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:52pm | ! Report

            Ha funny. I was nervous Australia were in it for the first 30 and leading..

            • August 17th 2013 @ 11:00pm
              Nick Turnbull said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

              All good mate. Happy for you blokes and hope Wellington is going large tonight….Elvis is now on….

      • August 17th 2013 @ 11:03pm
        In Brief said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:03pm | ! Report

        McKenzie has taken all the crackpot ideas from Australian blog sights and put them out there for all to see. And what a cluster@# it turned out to be. That was a terrible performance. The Wallabies seem incapable of making good decisions. And I guarantee after that match Folau will be playing league next year. Who can blame him?

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          August 17th 2013 @ 11:17pm
          sheek said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:17pm | ! Report

          I was going to read to the end before replying, but I have to call ‘CUT’ here!

          My brother was also damning of the Wallabies performance.

          I disagree.

          There are things to like. Just the same as there are things to like about what Darren Lehmann is trying to do with the Baggy Greens. But it will take time.

          First-off, McKenzie can’t dispose of his baggage personnel in one hit. I’m talking O’Connor, Cooper & Beale.

          Secondly, McKenzie can’t dispose of his baggage attitude in one hit. I’m talking the losing culture.

          Thirdly, at 22-25 around the 60th minute, it was still highly competitive.

          The Wallas gave up at least two tries by trying things. That’s okay in my book.

          The most significant thing going forward is to play 80 minutes at full intensity. The Wallas maybe concentrated for 60 minutes. The 20 minutes they slacked off is when they were punished.

          There’s a lot of work to be done, make no mistake.

          BTW, this is a great ABs team.

          But I refute that the Wallas’ peformance was rubbish. This is possibly the beginning of something good.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:24pm
            Nick Turnbull said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:24pm | ! Report

            Your a good man.

            • August 18th 2013 @ 9:39am
              Michael Warren said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:39am | ! Report

              …and a dreamer..:(

              • August 18th 2013 @ 10:45am
                WoobliesFan said | August 18th 2013 @ 10:45am | ! Report


          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:29pm
            Kebab said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:29pm | ! Report

            I agree Sheek I thought the wallabies turned up and played well. I think there is just a couple of forwards needed ie Pocock. I thought they played better tonight than the Lions series. I would not be looking to make changes but stick with the squad much.

            • August 18th 2013 @ 12:58pm
              winston said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

              Higgers will make a difference

              • August 18th 2013 @ 4:10pm
                Kebab said | August 18th 2013 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

                True Mowen is a passenger.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:35pm
            Martin D. said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:35pm | ! Report

            The All Blacks were superior in ball skills and fundamentals under pressure. There was a definite class difference.

            • August 18th 2013 @ 12:00am
              Opheliacrutchmore said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:00am | ! Report

              Yep, bang on the money. Wallabies tried all night but just the little things let them down, AB’s put them to the sword every mistake.

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2013 @ 7:07am
              B-Rock said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:07am | ! Report

              Absolutely – but my initial thoughts were this was an extremely sloppy wallabies performance, partic in the second half. Real basic mistakes which shouldn’t be made at SR let alone test level.

              Sloppy play and/or inexcusable defensive lapses led to at least 3-4 ABs tries, which of course is suicide vs the ABs

              Really expected better from the Wallabies, or any test team to be honest

              • August 18th 2013 @ 3:07pm
                mace22 said | August 18th 2013 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

                So what your saying is same as usual.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:40pm
            Jimmy D said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:40pm | ! Report

            Hooper played like a champion tonight so too AAC…Toomua was solid without being spectacular…CLL same…lack of combinations showed I thought…Mogg will be fortunate to get a start next week and team will be better for the run…unfortunately ABs will get better as well.

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              August 18th 2013 @ 12:02am
              WEST said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:02am | ! Report

              wallabies have a problem…they cant complete there phases. Its like they start then they get to the crucial end and forget what they rehearsed in practice. Do they stop for drinks at that point. There set plays seem to lack structure and confidence in there game plan. Not that the AB were perfect far from it. But still ran in 6 try’s

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            August 18th 2013 @ 12:04am
            Jiggles said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:04am | ! Report

            Ive agreed with you a bit lately, and to be honest I’m not enjoying. I saw a lot to be positive about in that game.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:06am
            Mike said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:06am | ! Report

            “First-off, McKenzie can’t dispose of his baggage personnel in one hit. I’m talking O’Connor, Cooper & Beale.”

            Why can’t he? If they’re that bad, just drop them.

            Nice to see that like many Australians, you like to play around with backs rather than forwards. You should try your hand at shipboard deckchairs.

            “This is possibly the beginning of something good.”

            You are wise to be so tentative.

            “But I refute that the Wallas’ peformance was rubbish”

            Good, at least we agree on something!

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2013 @ 9:21am
              The Bush said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:21am | ! Report

              ““First-off, McKenzie can’t dispose of his baggage personnel in one hit. I’m talking O’Connor, Cooper & Beale.”

              Why can’t he? If they’re that bad, just drop them.”

              Yeah that comment struck me as odd too – he is new coach, that’s the best time to drop anyone that you don’t want. Beale is injured anyway and Cooper is very much in Link’s plans for the future. The only one who was lucky to survive was O’Connor, but with Ioane gone overseas, Tomane not up to scratch right now and Speight still not eligable, there isn’t a lot of class out wide for the Wallabies right now…

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2013 @ 12:22pm
                sheek said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:22pm | ! Report


                To take my argument to its extreme logic – McKenzie can select 23 new caps, start with an entirely blank canvas. But of course, that would be crazy.

                That’s where I’m heading. There are some changes he needs to make immediately, re personnel, game tactics & overall strategy. Other changes will take longer.

                McKenzie is giving O’Connor the opportunity to change to his regime voluntarily. That’s fair enough. I imagine he is providing Beale & Cooper the same opportunity.

                McKenzie has already indicated that having Cooper at the Reds was basically his only option. Having Cooper at the wallabies is merely one of several alternatives available to him.

                These team trouble-makers are entitled to at least be seen to be willing to change. If not, they go.

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2013 @ 12:24pm
              sheek said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:24pm | ! Report


              I believe I’m one of the few who lament how Aussie supporters rabbit on about backs, when its the forwards to win matches.

              However, you have missed the point that the off-field trouble makers in the Wallabies at the moment, are overwhelming backs.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:10am
            Mark said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:10am | ! Report

            Another delusional Aussie…

            Next you’ll be telling us how you have a whole stack of world class players…

            Heres some facts for you :
            1. There isnt a single wallaby that is world class…not a one…not even one that is close…
            2. Your forwards are rubbish
            3. The only thing that kept you in that game up til half time was another abysmal reffing display from the new Wayne Barnes

            Whats your excuse now…???

            • August 18th 2013 @ 1:46am
              Jac Cooper said | August 18th 2013 @ 1:46am | ! Report

              Um, Will Genia?

              • August 18th 2013 @ 2:19am
                atlas said | August 18th 2013 @ 2:19am | ! Report

                suited 2010
                now, like Piri Weepu, too slow for the pace of the 2013 game

              • August 18th 2013 @ 7:08am
                Riccardo said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:08am | ! Report

                I agree with that atlas.

                Genia is still good but his speed is waning and he needs to clear it more quickly and as some posters note it defies belief he escapes criticism.

                That said I agree with Sheek’s post; the Wallabies were right in it, certainly in the first half and they dominated large parts of the first thirty minutes.

                Ewen will need more time to sort his cavalry, let alone instil confidence in their combinations, something again missing last night, although a lot of that disruption come back to the efforts of a pretty good All Black side.

                It’s important that McKenzie is given some more time before the media sharpen their knives.

              • August 18th 2013 @ 8:18am
                Roarer said | August 18th 2013 @ 8:18am | ! Report

                Genia’s overrated. Get’s shown up by good teams (BIL, NZ)

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                August 18th 2013 @ 9:22am
                The Bush said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:22am | ! Report

                “but his speed is waning


                Classic – so he out sprints every All Black to score a 60 metre try and also runs down his opposite to save one, but now he’s “too slow”.

                Best comment on the Roar for ages…

              • August 18th 2013 @ 10:54am
                Riccardo said | August 18th 2013 @ 10:54am | ! Report

                That would be a fair comment if you considered the context of the original delivery Bushy.

                His clearance has become ponderous; spending eons over the ball while he either assesses options or waits for players to return to the line and then a step (or two) before delivery. White seems quicker.

                That does not take away from is line speed or sniping ability; it’s just an observation and it has been made by others.

                However, since we are on talking about his runaway try I was surprised Dagg stopped. He must have thought Smith (or whoever the other tackler was) would get Will. If Dagg had continued on the angle I’m pretty sure he would have brought Genia down.

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2013 @ 12:26pm
                The Bush said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:26pm | ! Report


                “His clearance has become ponderous; spending eons over the ball while he either assesses options or waits for players to return to the line and then a step (or two) before delivery. White seems quicker.”

                Perhaps, but I thought the All Blacks won the game last night by their domination of the breakdown. Poor old Genia can hardly clear quickly when he gets such rubbish ball – at least that was what I saw.

                “However, since we are on talking about his runaway try I was surprised Dagg stopped. He must have thought Smith (or whoever the other tackler was) would get Will. If Dagg had continued on the angle I’m pretty sure he would have brought Genia down.”

                Yeah that struck me as odd too. Watching the reply I think it was a case of not anticipating where Genia was going and where his teammate was, causing him to be off balance thus unable to accelerate. Can’t explain it otherwise as he would considered one of the fastest players around.

              • August 18th 2013 @ 12:50pm
                Mark said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

                There are at least 5 better scrum halfs in Super Rugby alone…

                Plus he was outlplayed by everyone of the Lions halfbacks…

                I reiterate…there isnt one wallaby that would have made the lions…there is one Lion that would have made the All Blacks or Springboks…

                You Aussies continue to be delusional in your thinking…

                Whilst you do that you will continue to lose…

                Who are you going blame now that The Traitor Deans is no longer there!?!?!

              • August 18th 2013 @ 4:28pm
                Justin3 said | August 18th 2013 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

                Who are the five better mark?

            • August 18th 2013 @ 3:25am
              Steve.h said | August 18th 2013 @ 3:25am | ! Report

              Dont worry the boks fowards will give you the challenge you require 🙂

            • August 18th 2013 @ 9:39am
              Sofathefelloffthesofa said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:39am | ! Report

              Gees thanks for that Mark.
              You’ve obviously got a real understanding for the game……..

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2013 @ 12:38pm
              sheek said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:38pm | ! Report


              I’m not at all delusional, if it’s me you’re referring to. Clearly talking to the wrong chap. I’ll ignore the cheap shot & reply with considered thought.

              Replacing Deans with McKenzie is a short-term fix. At least it’ll improve the Wallabies in the short-term. Hopefully (is that non-delusional enough for you).

              However, the long-term changes necessary can’t be made overnight. Basically, the entire structure of Australian rugby – the pathways from juniors to Wallabies – needs to be rethought, recalibrated & made more enticing.

              The past 10 years, nay the past 25 years has seen too many short-term policies at the expense of a long-term strategy.

              Back in 1980, when the Wallabies had Mark Ella, Mike Hawker & Michael O’Connor in the midfield & Moon & Gould further out, we mocked the way our backs toyed with the ABs backs on scraps of possession.

              In 1991, when Australia won its first world cup & guys like me were pushing for a national comp, the nay-sayers said Australian rugby didn’t need to change because we always punched above our weight.

              By the mid-2000s Australian rugby had collapsed, its proud back play disappeared along with its newly acquired forward power.

              Today, it’s the ABs who mock us with their clever backline play while also adhering to the principles of forward play.

              From being the ‘edge of the envelope’ innovative thinkers in the 1980s & 90s, Australian rugby has gone backwards. All because we took too many things for granted & were unwilling to change with the times.

              Is this non-delusional enough for you…..

              • August 18th 2013 @ 6:57pm
                Joab said | August 18th 2013 @ 6:57pm | ! Report

                Well said Sheek everyone seems to be looking at individual games and not the deep seated problems with the ARU over the past 8 or 9 years that have led us to the problems we have now.

                We have a wealth of natural talent, more that enough to match the All Blacks, but after such a long succession of poorly prepared teams with underdeveloped players it is well past time that the ARU sack all involved in our elite program and high performance units as they are proven perennial failures at their jobs! They have not developed our players individual or team skills to the level required to beat the best. Every Wallaby coach for the past 8 or 9 years has been saddled with players in every position with undeveloped or not properly developed skill sets and after the millions of dollars spent that is an absolute disgrace!

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:47am
            Ra said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:47am | ! Report

            I agree sheek. I thought u guys the most constructive rugby for thefirst 60 min. Our guys were sloppy all nite really. Just scrambling defence and scrappy loose ball at opportune moments seperated the two

          • August 18th 2013 @ 5:15am
            Stink-link said | August 18th 2013 @ 5:15am | ! Report

            I guess false hope is better than no hope. IMO the wallabies have the NSW Origin sickness, they’re mentally scarred and losing has become a habit agst the ABs.

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2013 @ 8:32am
            no show said | August 18th 2013 @ 8:32am | ! Report

            interesting to read your comparison to our cricket team, that whole game felt like deja vu to me;

            – a new coach with the promise of good times to come following after a period of below par performances
            – some players that are performing
            – some players that are not performing
            – players that are in and out of the team in a revolving door selection policy (are Quade Cooper and Phil Hughes the one and same person?)
            – enough ability to give fans some hope of a win, but ultimately falling in the last half or 4th innings

            the one good thing that the Wallabies have going compared to the cricketers is that the Wallabies can blood new players that go on to succeed e.g. Leali’ifano, whereas our cricket team has little or no ‘next generation’

            Both teams are in a development phase under new coaches and both, with sensible selection policies, will come out of it in good shape

          • August 18th 2013 @ 8:56am
            Hopperdoggy said | August 18th 2013 @ 8:56am | ! Report

            I’m with you Shiek. Most things the Wobblies did OK.

            Forwards were good in getting over the advantage line. Their lineouts were all over the ABs. Most of the ABs tries came from WB mistakes (poor ball handling, CLL charge down, poor defence). I think only 2 of the 6 tries were “constructed”.

            Basically these are easy things to fix, relatively. Considering the new faces and combinations, I’m actually pretty happy. Especially with the forwards, which has traditionally been the WBs have struggled to compete with the ABs. Not sure about Alexander & MMM, though in fairness the latter has had little game time of late and probably needs a couple of games to settle in.

            If EM can fix the defensive issues, they’ll be competitive next week. If he can get the backs to straighten and starts running some lines, anything is possible.

            I just hope he doesn’t knee jerk his selections and sticks with original instincts. This team needs 2 or 3 games together. This is just the first conveyor on a long production line.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 10:18am
            #kiwicoach said | August 18th 2013 @ 10:18am | ! Report

            Mate that All Black side will only get better when it sorts out the scrum and the lineout and the Richie gets another game under the belt.
            McKenzie and all the Aussie BS came to nought as was expected. McKenzie had the great record against NZ sides well this is the All Blacks and they take no prisoners and their play from broken play was superb.
            Don’t hold back – the :beginning of something good” is this All Black side putting up 50 at the cake tin on Saturday night.
            Yes find some positives but really?

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2013 @ 12:03pm
            Cattledog said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

            Must agree Sheek. Certainly several positives to take out of that game. There were really no AB tries from continual pressure phase after phase. Eliminate the silly mistakes, and there will be a considerably closer score.

            You would think on that performance the ABs will simply do a SA on the Wallabies next week. I don’t believe this will be the case and with some careful tweaking, there’s the opportunity to turn things around into a significantly tighter contest next week. Certainly, I’ve been game enough to put my money where my mouth is.

            Roll on Wellington 🙂

            • August 18th 2013 @ 5:08pm
              nudge said | August 18th 2013 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

              Not so sure Cattledog, there may not have been phase after phase of pressure but the blow torch was applied at certain times and it coughed up a try or three.
              Not a bad hit out for the AB’s last night (as a kiwi i can say that!) but i believe the AB’s will be disappointed they gave away circa 15 (or was it 19??) points in penalties. Particularly with a class kicker like CL to bang them over. That is something i imagine they will work on this week – as well as nulifying one Mr Hooper.
              Yes it should be closer but to be honest i am struggling to see the WB’s keeping pace with the AB’s once they iron out their issues – be it having the right cattle, or the right cattle with the right head space, Wellington is looking decidely BLACK if you are a WB fan.
              Time will tell.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 12:00am
          lloyd said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:00am | ! Report

          I had the same thoughts re folau.why would he want to play a game where it seems so difficult fore him to get involved. Sure he needs to learn how to do that but will he want to bother when it feeds like such a class gap between the darkness n must feel like death sitting out there on the wing and playing so little part

      • August 18th 2013 @ 5:26am
        Missing Link said | August 18th 2013 @ 5:26am | ! Report

        All that pre-match talk by Link just gave the ABs the motivation they needed. The ABs worst enemy after winning for so long is complacency and what they don’t need is the opposition coach giving them ammo to renew their hatred and motivation. Link should heed the old saying that “A rooster only crows AFTER its won.”

      • August 18th 2013 @ 7:23am
        Sam said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:23am | ! Report

        After emerging shell shocked I’m going to take glass half full option.

        Kiwis brilliant but Wallabies some rough diamonds in the dirt.

        Mogg patchy but get back on the horse straight away. O’Connor drifted off wing for first try but otherwise industrious and popping up all over place. Israel learn from him.

        Wallabies unlikely against NZ in NZ but Eden Park is not a venue so that’s something to be positive about.

        All Blacks unlikely to be gifted tries like charge down and Smith scoot down blindside again.

        Australia made more incisions and breaks behind NZ line than I’ve seen in a long time.
        Support players kept running into or fouling up running lines to capitalize.

        We stole a lineout or two.

        We scored 29 points whilst making those elementary mistakes. Plus one of those three pointers right in front of posts might have been 5 or 7. NZ have an art form of hitting the reset button by committing a cynical foul, gifting a penalty rather than a try and then smashing us and reclaiming ball from restart.

        Wallabies need a new ploy against high ball. Get under it, get set in leg position and stay flatfooted. If Kiwi jumps over top of you they better have their eye on the ball or get pinged. Second, if they hit an immovable object they are more likely to spill and knock on. If they do catch but fall at your feet then you are first player there and can put hands on ball and they better release.

        Kiwis are entering potentially dangerous territory. While they play as well as that they will be relucant to look at grey area players like Nonu, Conrad Smith, Carter, McCaw and props. And why would you? Carter is already covered by Cruden but unsure about others. This is 2013 and they could fall into the 1991 trap of holding on too long. In 2015 legs will be older and time to pass baton will be too late .

        Wallabies blooding now and it’s a slow train coming. Stay the course.

        That said Kiwis champs and remain benchmark. We need to a avoid raising white flag too early. Just start asking them some questions they haven’t had before.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 7:37am
          richard said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:37am | ! Report

          The possibility exists that some of the older veterans could be kept on past their use-by date.But I wouldn’t count on it.This year alone,they will have to face SA and England which will see the pack put under considerable pressure.You need to bear in mind that Australia dominated possession,their problem is the inability of their pack to make it count.They seldom gain any yardage,and deliver too much static ball.At present,the WB pack is really poor.McKenzie has certainly got his work cut out for him.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 11:43am
          pat said | August 18th 2013 @ 11:43am | ! Report

          well said sam, I thought the wallabies looked the best they have for a long while. Finally got some good young talent in key positions, lelaliilfano never misses, been after a kicker for years. need to give mogg and toomua some time to gel and cut o’conner and cooper loose. Wallabies are a more realistic chance next year after some of these young guys get some games under there belt. Dont think the performance was as bad as being reported and still was far more promising than previous years under dingo.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 3:17pm
            mace22 said | August 18th 2013 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

            Looked better and still got 47 points against them. If they really get thier act together the all blacks might reach 70.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 2:15pm
          gazbe2 said | August 18th 2013 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

          Busy making up the score arent we, If we hadnt given the AB’s the ball through mistakes it would have been closer, how about if the AB,s hadnt had a poor line out throw and stopped playing after the time was up then the Wallabies would be 14 points less as well…now work out the score wallabies 15…AB’s 33, still a hiding.

    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm
      maxxlord said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm | ! Report

      Not all that dire for mine Wallabies are on track, next game bring in Cooper, and give Kuridrani another 30mins. Mogg was shaky but another shot would be good for him. Upfront they are missing Higginbotham badly. JoC was great again.

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:24pm
        Roland Chan said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:24pm | ! Report

        upfront they are missing forwards.

        • August 17th 2013 @ 11:43pm
          Ozrugbynut said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:43pm | ! Report

          Too true. Inept. Slow to the ruck, ineffective at the ruck, don’t slow AB ball down, too high, poor numbers at the breakdown and never close to the ball carrier, simply don’t have the strength. Abs just blow past them and get quick ball for the backs. Look at the tapes if you disagree. Not strong enough.

          Stop the folly of playing lightweight forwards. Does not work and they are not mobile anyway.

          Rubbish rubbish rubbish. I’ve absolutely had enough.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:09am
            Combesy said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:09am | ! Report

            I agree. Even Joubert gave both team plenty of time to compete at the break down. There was moments where all the wallabies need was a body to engage in the ruck and attempt to pilfer the ball and we would have so the call. Yet we decided to not compete allow the blcks clean fats ball and repeat

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:39am
            oncewascentre said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:39am | ! Report

            What makes you think the wallabies can do what you’ve said Ozrugbynut. Thats what ever team in the world has tried to do. The only team that has come close to this on a semi regular basis, are the french in the last few tests. But they still lost.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 1:28pm
            GotHim Yeah said | August 18th 2013 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

            Ozrugbynut and Combsey – I totally agree !! Our overwhelming failure at the Breakdown is our biggest flaw. Fix it – and we start winning games. It can be coached – and should be priority.
            I don’t understand why people talk about scrums and line outs when there are only a couple of dozen scrums and line outs per game – and we are competitive anyway.
            HOWEVER – there are HUNDREDS of rucks formed every game and we lose out at the majority of them !!
            We lose at the breakdown 70% of the time by…
            1. Turning over the ball
            2. Conceding a ruck infringement penalty
            3. Not cleaning out our own rucks and providing quick ball to Genia
            4. Not being able to slow opposition ball – like they do to us
            The All Blacks are the Kings of the above.. And that is all !!
            We compete everywhere else – broken play, scrums, line-outs, goal-kicking, field- kicking etc
            All Blacks must laugh every time Richie performs a professional foul when we are 10 metres out (last night) – knowing that he will steal it back in the very next ruck – because WE CAN’T ruck.
            Only other thing is what Genia said at half time – we were territorially pinned in our corners.
            We had 3 accomplished backline field kickers – we should always kick whilst in our own half –
            It worked for Brumbies, Clive Woodward etc
            The alternative to us kicking out of our own half – is to run it – well – that results in a tackle – and then a ruck is formed – and then we turn it over – 9 times in last nights game.
            And that my Friends.. is how the Blacks have won the last 10 Bledisloe’s.
            I love the Wallabies “running game” – but only when we are camped on the oppositions try-line. Don’t try it from your own half with a Team that can’t RUCK !!!!!

            • August 18th 2013 @ 3:22pm
              mace22 said | August 18th 2013 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

              Here we go again the great one is a cheat. It’s not that the wallabies can’t ruck it’s that the alll blacks are better at it, and I can’t see it changing anytime soon.

              • August 18th 2013 @ 7:05pm
                GotHim Yeah said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:05pm | ! Report

                Mace22… Not my opinion really… The fact is Richie got penalized by the Ref for flopping onto the ball in a ruck whilst we were 10 metres out.
                If he had of done that a couple more times he would have been marched !
                But yes, I agree he is the great one.
                One of his many abilities is to analyze each Ref and play to their interpretations of the rules. He pushes the boundaries every game, with every Ref. He also gives away ruck penalties ( last night).
                But, I also witnessed Link turn the Reds Pack into brilliant ruck-men in the last 3 years. Reds forwards like Radike Samo, Liam Gill and Beau Robinson became first class pilferers and they secured the ball in attack.
                Robinson, being one of the most under-rated flankers in Super Rugby. He only has the 1 Wallaby cap coz of the class in front of him – Pocock, Smith etc, but he deserves a go.
                So, the future is bright for the Wlbys, IF Link can repeat his Reds coaching efforts at the Breakdown…

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:59pm
        dmac said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

        Bring in Cooper? What the hell? In 15 mins on the field he demonstrated in oh so many ways why he should be nowhere near the Wallaby team. He didn’t just make mistakes, he make spectacular mistakes that had the NZ fans around me in stitches.

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:59pm
          In Brief said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

          At least he did something.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:11pm
            darth vadar said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:11pm | ! Report

            yes he brought joy to NZ fans

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:16pm
            dmac said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:16pm | ! Report

            Bombed a couple of certain tries, so I guess that’s something.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 12:10am
          Mike said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:10am | ! Report

          I didn’t think Cooper was that bad, especially on a night when the whole team didn’t really cover itself with glory. He can’t be judged on such a short performance anyway. And there were plenty of kiwis in the crowd giving him the boo treatment, and he seemed to cope okay with it. So maybe give him a start in Wellington.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 6:57am
          Mental said | August 18th 2013 @ 6:57am | ! Report

          Seriously? In 60min Toomua didn’t even look like creating opportunity a single time. In the 18min Cooper was on he created 2 opportunities.

          Talk about bias clouding your view of events.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:03pm
            Roy said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

            Wondering why they didn’t look at Bernard Foley at 10. He takes the ball flatter(much flatter than Toomua., and will challenge the line, he has the smarts to get things going forward and would link well with AAC…I know they think his kicking is sus but all the 10 options( including Crudent) are lacking in that dept. … I think he will eventually nail down the 10 spot, he suits how the Wallabies seem to want to play.

      • Roar Guru

        August 18th 2013 @ 12:47am
        Mick Gold Coast QLD said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:47am | ! Report

        Bring in Cooper? JOC was “great again.” Aaaargghhh!

        One of the speed bumps has drunk himself out of the team, another turnstiled his way out of it tonight and the remaining one clearly demonstrated in just 15 minutes or so why he wasn’t there at the start.

        This is the salutary moment to nail down the trifecta for good, if ever there was one, and you want to drag two of them back in?

        • August 18th 2013 @ 7:20am
          Ruckin' Oaf said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:20am | ! Report

          The Wallaby attack looked a heck of a lot more potent in the 15 minutes Cooper was on the field than it did when he was off it. And he defended in the first line,.

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2013 @ 9:27am
            WEST said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:27am | ! Report

            your joking….you obviously missed most the match. For all NZ and from all supporters of All Back rugby. Yes put em on he is AWSOME. AB really hate collecting the ball off him, he passes the ball to the AB as much as he passes it to his own team. His kicking ability. Top notch. All NZ love Coopers ability. Bring him on in Welly

            • August 18th 2013 @ 9:54am
              Sofathefelloffthesofa said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:54am | ! Report

              ABs have definitely perfected intercept and charge down. Soft options.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 11:48am
            pat said | August 18th 2013 @ 11:48am | ! Report

            When will people realise cooper is not the answer to the wallabies, hes had his chance. Have we already forgotten about his disastrous game in the RWC 2011 v AB’s. Has never recovered….cut him loose.

      • August 18th 2013 @ 7:48am
        soapit said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:48am | ! Report

        and at the very least it was good fun to watch. i found more to enjoy in our first half then our entire lions series i reckon.

        losing to a better team is part of sport but we had a go and at least tried to beat.

        plenty to improve on but if you’d said we’d score 29 points against them at the start of the game most people would have been happy. defence just needs tightening obviously.

      • August 18th 2013 @ 7:35pm
        Wal the Hooker said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

        I dont why some posters on here gives Higgers so much credit, how many tests has he played? This isn’t super rugby, come on get real, you don’t place that credence on a guy who hasn’t even played more than a hand full of hard test rugby. Higgers iisn’t a proven test player. There’s just not enough steel in the WBs pack full stop! You cant go wide without going forward that simple. Certainly some good touches for the WBs in this game, but gee you have to think the ABs have some improvement in the works to come and on last night’s evidence it won’t be a very comforting feeling for the WBs.

    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm
      Roland Chan said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm | ! Report

      EMs talking about beating the ABs in line breaks. So what? Did he notice that the WBs attack couldn’t dent the line?

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:30pm
        Richo said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:30pm | ! Report

        That was the biggest thing for me. Genia’s try was individual brilliance. With OConnors the kiwis were already in the pub. The team as a whole didn’t look close to getting a try. Oh and their defense was shocking such that I cringed every time the blacks had the ball in our 22.

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:36pm
          Roland Chan said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:36pm | ! Report

          Thank god that Ewen knows how to beat nz teams.

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:43pm
          Minz said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:43pm | ! Report

          Really? I thought they were close a lot in the first half, held off by sensible All Black penalties. Second half… well, they started to make mistakes, and every mistake was an AB score. Brutal.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 10:45pm
            Roland Chan said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:45pm | ! Report

            Check the advantage line stats.

            • August 17th 2013 @ 10:55pm
              Minz said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:55pm | ! Report

              Can’t find ’em. However, the running metres stats were AB 190-ish Wals 290-ish in the first stanza, which is what I’m talking about.

              • August 17th 2013 @ 11:04pm
                Sylvester said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:04pm | ! Report

                Does that include returned kicks?

              • August 17th 2013 @ 11:13pm
                darth vadar said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:13pm | ! Report

                yes and the final score was the ABs 40-ish and the Wals 20-ish

      • August 17th 2013 @ 11:31pm
        Kebab said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:31pm | ! Report

        EM is turning out to be a fool with what he says. Hansen must be in stitches.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 12:18am
          js-nz said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:18am | ! Report

          Yes I would say Shag had a wry smile on his face after that one.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 12:41am
          GWS said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:41am | ! Report

          Hansen is just like Carter.
          Never had to perform under pressure.
          Seriously coaching abs would have to be easiest job in the world.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 12:59am
            Kebab said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:59am | ! Report

            GWS you must not understand the NZ expectations and have to disagree they just do the hard yards and get the results accordingly.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 8:12am
            Riccardo said | August 18th 2013 @ 8:12am | ! Report

            You should watch “the weight of a nation” GWS.

            An excellent documentary about the pressure that surrounds the All blacks but the coaching group in particular.

            The pressure is immense and your statement only serves to diminish your credibility.

          • August 18th 2013 @ 9:16am
            jeremy said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:16am | ! Report

            geez….2 x world cups aren’t enough pressure for you?

          • August 18th 2013 @ 10:46am
            rahh said | August 18th 2013 @ 10:46am | ! Report

            Hansen inherited the World Cup winning All Blacks team and has a few wins, would anyone expect anything else.

    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm
      Frank said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm | ! Report

      Next weeks starting 15 will be very interesting

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:36pm
        atlas said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:36pm | ! Report

        what/who can change?
        I presume they have to stay with the named RC squad unless injury forces a withdrawal?

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:46pm
          Tane Mahuta said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:46pm | ! Report

          I didnt think there were any restrictions like that in the RC Atlas.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:00pm
            dmac said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

            You have to question how Mogg could hold his place after that dire performance. Not sure I’d make too many more changes. Didn’t think O’Connor went missing at all, felt he was involved in a lot of the action.

            • Roar Guru

              August 17th 2013 @ 11:49pm
              Mick Gold Coast QLD said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:49pm | ! Report

              Everywhere but on his own wing when the tries – the several tries – were scored there, yes.

              • August 18th 2013 @ 12:13am
                Mike said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:13am | ! Report

                So two on that wing becomes “several”. Mick loathes O’Connor, stole his girl apparently. 😉

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2013 @ 12:39am
                Mick Gold Coast QLD said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:39am | ! Report

                When you’re on a winning roll Mike failure to maximise can be fatal. (Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk)

              • August 18th 2013 @ 5:20am
                Jimbo said | August 18th 2013 @ 5:20am | ! Report

                Well, he was give freedom to roam,………hmmmmmmm

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2013 @ 9:19am
                Mark Richmond said | August 18th 2013 @ 9:19am | ! Report

                Yep, and in the first half when he needed to come in to support AAC on the break, he stayed out on the wing where AAC couldn’t reach him….probable try lost.

              • August 18th 2013 @ 10:43am
                Mike said | August 18th 2013 @ 10:43am | ! Report

                I’ll pay that Mick. And this morning if I don’t laugh I will cry, so nyuk, nyuk, nyuk it is

              • August 18th 2013 @ 12:14pm
                Roy said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                Why pick him on the wing anyway, he has not played there for a while? Plus you need a good defense out wide which is not his strength…Speight will be eligible soon…can’t see Mogg is an option on the wing for the same reasons, the ABs would love to run at him all day:-)

          • August 18th 2013 @ 3:13am
            atlas said | August 18th 2013 @ 3:13am | ! Report

            well it’s a question then
            A Super team cannot introduce new players to its named squad for performance-based reasons, only for injury
            What is the point of a country naming it’s Rugby Championship squad if it is just a team for this Saturday?

            What does this mean then?

            The Wallabies have today announced eight uncapped players in new coach Ewen McKenzie’s inaugural 30-man squad for The Rugby Championship.
            Now that the squad has been finalised, McKenzie said it would be important to get on with the business of beating the All Blacks.

            eg Sanzar for Super squads: “a declaration of a squad of players that will be eligible through the entire season, and if anyone else needs to come in there needs to be injury proof”

    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm
      Tonner said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:21pm | ! Report

      Loving the game being a kiwi but have to ask about a couple of current themes I’ve read on the roar during the last week or so. Why would any1 not want to start JOC and hooper to of the beat wallibies on the field IMO ? Was Aaron crudens defence really a turnstile and did he struggle kicking under pressure ? Did McCaw seam short of a gallop ? Finally go the abs

      • August 18th 2013 @ 7:17am
        Ra said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:17am | ! Report

        And your answers Tonner?

        • August 18th 2013 @ 12:12pm
          Tonner said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          I think my answers were apparent in posing the questions

          • August 18th 2013 @ 11:06pm
            Ra said | August 18th 2013 @ 11:06pm | ! Report

            So how apparent?

    • August 17th 2013 @ 10:24pm
      Ron Burgundy said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:24pm | ! Report

      i’m confused…. i was assured by 1000’s of bloggers that robbie deans was single handedly responsible for dire state of australian rugby and that the messiah mckenzie would make all the difference.


      could it be that no matter who coaches this crop of players they will never be better than this crop of all blacks?


      • Roar Guru

        August 17th 2013 @ 10:26pm
        biltongbek said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:26pm | ! Report

        He was, but now Link will be responsible for it. 🙂

      • August 17th 2013 @ 10:27pm
        Jokerman said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:27pm | ! Report

        Early days but this does show how good Deans could be….he just struggled to get from number 2 in the world to number 1

        • August 17th 2013 @ 10:37pm
          Tane Mahuta said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:37pm | ! Report

          Yeah its very early but the way people blamed Deans for everything was just dumb.
          Another thing that was dumb was blooding 5 players against NZ. At least it saved Ewen from a loss against Samoa or Scotland.

          • August 17th 2013 @ 10:58pm
            Jokerman said | August 17th 2013 @ 10:58pm | ! Report

            Yeah it felt good to win as a kiwi though I’m also happy for Deans. He had a tough time and this match showed how tough it can be.

            No one is really commanding first five, Deans had to pick someone…

          • August 17th 2013 @ 11:12pm
            Jokerman said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:12pm | ! Report

            Yeah, Ewen had a barbarian team look. Good on paper but had hardly played together. He also didn’t help himself talking up his chances, It kept the All Blacks on edge, though it did add interest to the game.

            There is also a slight look of stubborn arrogance that shows on Ewen”s face sometimes, just briefly in his look. I always look for these signs, because it shows a weakness.

            A good example of that negative behaviour was Cooper niggling at McCaw two years ago. It was a weakness within Copper that takes on that behaviour that on the surface looks rebellious and cocky but the outcome shows its truth….and the later result for Cooper was negative for himself and his team.

            • August 18th 2013 @ 12:07am
              Shungmao said | August 18th 2013 @ 12:07am | ! Report

              Move on

              • August 18th 2013 @ 10:05am
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          • August 18th 2013 @ 7:21am
            Ra said | August 18th 2013 @ 7:21am | ! Report

            Not yet it hasn’t cuz

      • August 17th 2013 @ 11:32pm
        Jimmy D said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:32pm | ! Report

        Hes not the messiah…but he has to deal with some very naughty boys…

        • August 17th 2013 @ 11:46pm
          JC said | August 17th 2013 @ 11:46pm | ! Report

          Haha, I see what you did there.

        • August 18th 2013 @ 8:04am
          Machpants said | August 18th 2013 @ 8:04am | ! Report

          Haha thread WIN!

      • August 18th 2013 @ 6:33am
        The Electronic Swagman said | August 18th 2013 @ 6:33am | ! Report

        I agree Ron. Not only was he to blame for EVERYTHING but he was a Trojan Horse installed by New Zealand rugby. The vitriol against Deans was an outrage. It actually contributed to the performances of the Wallabies in my opinion as well as empowering the QC brigade who have gone a little quiet now.

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