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    Luke Walsh and Josh Dugan have a disagreement during the NRL round 23, Penrith Panthers V Canberra Raiders in Penrith, Sunday Aug. 12, 2012. (AAP Image/Action Photographics, Robb Cox)

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    It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches are employed, and then when even ‘Dopey Dora’ can see they cannot coach at first grade level, some boardrooms not only don’t sack them but actually give them a contract extension.

    Raiders coach David Furner was hired, it must be said, by the club with his brother, Don Furner, as CEO in 2009. He managed a 43% win record with a much better than average roster.

    Any thinking fan who studied the game closely could not believe that Furner #1 had overseen Furner #2’s coaching extension.

    The Canberra Club have constantly lost exciting young players because of the lack of discipline and a coaching culture that did not win important matches when expected.

    The Raiders board and CEO should also be on thin ice with members as they have waited until it is too late to do anything for 2013.

    The Cowboys are in a similar position as they sacked their coach two weeks ago, a couple of years after most students of the game thought he should have been tapped on the shoulder.

    Like the Raiders, the Cowboys enjoy a stunning playing list and incredibly must win every game left this season just to qualify for the finals.

    Like Furner, the sacked Cowboys coach Neil Henry was also given a coaching extension by their inept board that includes NRL 360 host Ben Ikin.

    The most important challenge for all NRL Boards is to hire a good Coach and an even better Talent Scout. If they fail to get the recruitment right it makes little difference how good the coach is.

    Any club can make a mistake but the real mistake to keep on making the same mistake when it is obvious a mistake has been made.

    We have discussed the Raiders and the Cowboys but they are not the only clubs in trouble. Titans coach John Cartwright is another with a better than average list that has underperformed and has also been given an extension. He is reported to be hiring Neil Henry as his assistant for next year but appears there is no budget. Wonder what the members think of the blind leading the blind?

    News scribe Paul Kent has suggested that Henry could go to the Raiders saying on Fox Sports: ”You could do a lot worse”.

    Really Mr. Kent, based on what? This is the same Paul Kent who is the ghost writer for Ricky Stuart and writes for his paper with the sub heading: “The game’s best thinker”.

    The Warriors appointed Matt Elliot as their coach this year after he had a 44% win record in the NRL over ten years. How does a Board justify that to their members?

    The very best of all is Ricky Stuart who has his current club Parramatta in reverse and set to win the Wooden Spoon with a record minus For and Against Points differential.

    The Board signed him up for a lazy $800k a season after he was sacked from his previous two clubs, the Sharks and the Roosters, which he left in tatters. Ricky is a media favourite and it is those same journos that are suggesting that he will cut ties with the Eels and have a crack in Canberra. Surely the Raiders Board will not go down this path.

    I haven’t even looked at poor Steve Price (Dragons), the embattled Anthony Griffin (Broncos), nor misfiring-Mick Potter (Wests Tigers) yet.

    Obviously it is difficult to track down and hire a top class coach, but it is not difficult to not replace him when he does not achieve his strategic gaols.

    Maybe some of the NRL Boards should give John Ribot a call as he gave both Wayne Bennett and Craig Bellamy their first shot in first grade and they are now regarded as the game’s best two coaches.

    He also hired Chris Anderson as the foundation coach for the Storm and won their initial Title after two years.

    He also hired Peter O’Sullivan and put him in charge of recruitment, before the astute Nick Politis grabbed him for the Roosters. Ironically the Roosters should play the Storm in Week 1 of the Finals this year.

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    • Roar Guru

      August 20th 2013 @ 7:31pm said | August 20th 2013 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

      Raiders v Sea Eagles, 2:00PM, Canberra Stadium Sun

      Raiders: Reece Robinson, Sandor Earl, Jarrod Croker, Bill Tupou, Sami Sauiluma, Anthony Milford, Josh McCrone, David Shillington, Shaun Berrigan, Brett White, Josh Papalii, Joel Thompson, Paul Vaughan. Interchange: Glen Buttriss, Joel Edwards, Dane Tilse, Tom Learoyd-Lahrs, Sam Williams

    • Roar Guru

      August 20th 2013 @ 7:37pm said | August 20th 2013 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

      Furnerss Assistant Anthony Dunnerman has named a new look side to take on Manly on Sunday. Changes include:

      Robinson comes into fullback
      Warriors new buy Bill Tupu is the new right centre
      Sami Sauiluma is back in favour for left wing
      The games most exciting young player Anthony Milford moves his his best position at pivot
      Shaun Berrigan starts as hooker
      Brett White starts at prop
      Paul Vaughan hold down the lock position
      Buttris, Edwards. Tilse and Williams all relegated to the bench with Tom Learoyd -Lars, a new in from injury.

    • August 20th 2013 @ 7:55pm
      The eye said | August 20th 2013 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

      Very interested to see Dunemann move his star player from last year back to where he was playing for him.I like Paul Vaughann too as a starter.Not so sure about Tupou on Lyons..wheres Edrick ?

      • Roar Guru

        August 20th 2013 @ 8:26pm said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:26pm | ! Report

        I expected Lee in last week as his arm is ok. Tupou has no idea in defence and I am surprised he is selected in the centres up against Matai (Lyon is on the other side v Croker, who also cant tackle).
        Lee has played a heap of centre and I would have him in before Tupou. Clearly the new coach doesnt want Blake Ferguson which means he will be gonsky.

    • August 20th 2013 @ 7:56pm
      Sham said | August 20th 2013 @ 7:56pm | ! Report

      It never ceases to amaze me when people do not understand statistics, A good proportion of coaches will have a poor win loss ratio by definition. If all coaches with poor win loss ratios were sacked half the coaches would be sacked each year.

      • Roar Guru

        August 21st 2013 @ 8:01am said | August 21st 2013 @ 8:01am | ! Report

        Not sure what your point is mate.
        Stats dont mean a great deal unless there is a heap of data over a period of time.
        In Furner’s case he has been head coach for 5 years and his personal and team stats are very poor at almost every level. For him to stay put this long is total incompetence from the CEO and Board.

    • August 20th 2013 @ 8:14pm
      Johnno said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

      Scott well said. SOme of the stats, with the win/loss ratios are staggering how some of these coaches can command big bucks.
      Ricky stuart, wow, well that’s parra eels for you, management hopeless. And with a statsticsl winning percentage record like ricky stuart, you get what you pay for, and they are at the wooden spoon.
      It’s a worrying trend, not a lot of young coaches are bucking at the horns putting pressure on the status quo. Only Ivan Cleary, Micheal Mgaurie, and trent robinson seem to be the new breed that have broken through. Shane Flanagan maybe too.

      But to many of the old 80’s and 90’s old guard remain.

      I wouldn’t put Nathan Brown to have broken through , as he basically fled to the english super league and hasn’t come back, and struggled in the NRL with a good roster.
      Plenty of coaches who have done well in the ESL, try the NRL and they are out of the depth or struggle.
      Think shaun Mcrae, and Brian Mclennan, and Mick Potter,David Waite
      Trent Barret I think should apply for the raiders job, if they are looking at giving a rookie a go.
      Kevin Walters ex canberra player, is now seemingly set on being in QLD.

      And without starting an old 90’s ARL VS Super League war, whatever else John Ribot as a ceo has the evidence the runs on the board as a proven winner as ceo of clubs, he has chalked up a lot of premierships, and picked the right coach for the job at the right time, it;s all in the evidence can’t dispute it.

      • Roar Guru

        August 20th 2013 @ 8:36pm said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

        I spend hours every week analyzing teams and the first thing I look at is the coach, it is that important.
        You made a lot of points and I will try and answer them and at the same time give some clubs some free consultancy advice.
        I agree with McGuire and Robbo, both have super futures.
        I was disappointed with Cleary at the Warriors with how dumb they played under him and I am keen to see how the Panthers go next year so jury out.
        Shane Flanagan has made Ricky Stuart look sick the way he turned the Sharks around after the mess he inherited. My concern with him is that Gallen has too much power and he cant control him. Carney, Luke etc play better without gallen in the side.
        Nath Brown was not ready when he had the Dragons as he just retired as a player. he is brilliant tactically and provided he has improved his communication skills to the players I have no doubt he would go ok now here.
        Kev Walters is NOT a first grade NRL coach and I do not have enough information on Trent Barrett, but it appears the Tigers like him.

        • August 20th 2013 @ 8:44pm
          Johnno said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:44pm | ! Report

          Some good point scott’s stats are misleading often, but other times can be accurate.And nailing a good head coach is priority no 1.

          Cronulla Flanagan with the rubbish he has put up with has done well. He has good communication skills, he makes ricky stuart sick and well not up to 1st grade head coaching.

          And on a side note with Paul Gallen going forward next year. Gallen born in 1981, 32 now, 33 next year, injury prone now, he is on the decline, he may have to move to front row full time, luke o’donnell style who is one year older and a similar player to Gallen to stay influential.

          A few other’s out there have been mooted. Brett Kimmorley and Justin Morgan who i think are both current or former raider’s assistant coaches.

          Rick Stone is on the look out for a head coaching role, he will surly throw his hat in the ring, what do you think about rick stone. Ivan cleary is doing okay at Penrith for now, but jury is still out. Funny how Trent Robinson has got the best out of Micheal Jennings.

          • Roar Guru

            August 20th 2013 @ 9:13pm
   said | August 20th 2013 @ 9:13pm | ! Report

            I liked what Rick Stone did at the Knights but Gids is not a fullback. He deserves another crack.

            • Roar Guru

              August 20th 2013 @ 10:04pm
     said | August 20th 2013 @ 10:04pm | ! Report

              Kimmorley looks and sounds the part but you never know until he tries. He worries me the way he says the word structure all the time…….it is a shame the Raiders did not have much of it.
              Justin Morgan had a very impressive record at Hull KR with a 56% win record, not bad considering his list. I assume he had a blew with Furner, but thats a guess. It would be no surprise to not agree with Furner so he may well be a good prospect.

        • August 20th 2013 @ 10:57pm
          Danno1 said | August 20th 2013 @ 10:57pm | ! Report


          Flanagan may be a better coach than Stuart, but there sure has been a bad smell emanating from the Sharks since he’s been there more dramas afoot

          • Roar Guru

            August 21st 2013 @ 8:02am
   said | August 21st 2013 @ 8:02am | ! Report

            They do look like Sydneys version of Essendon.

    • August 20th 2013 @ 8:22pm
      Dragons Forever said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:22pm | ! Report

      1st paragraph sums up the Dragons perfectly

      • Roar Guru

        August 20th 2013 @ 8:39pm said | August 20th 2013 @ 8:39pm | ! Report

        All my mail from people I have a regard for have given Steve Price a rap to me so I have given him a lot of slack.
        I have changed my mind now and I think he should go. Nathan Fien as the key play maker all season is just ridiculous.

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