Rugby World Cup 2015: Looking ahead to the 'Group of Death'

By manalien / Roar Pro

The British and Irish Lions tour has brought into sharper focus the so-called “group of death” at the 2015 World Cup, where Wales, England and Australia have been drawn together.

So what have we learned on the back of the Lions visit?

Wales

Surely the favourites from the Northern Hemisphere to challenge for the trophy, and in my book second favourites behind the defending champion All Blacks.

With Warren Gatland back at the helm after taking time off to focus on the Lions tour, they seem set to pick up from their successful Six Nations campaign, and provided the core of the winning Lions team.

We should also not forget that Shaun Edwards, Gatland’s defence coach with Wales, was overlooked for the Lions coaching team in favour of Andy Farrell – as a proud man he will be desperate to prove that he should have been the man to orchestrate the Lions defence.

Strengths

• Back Row: With Dan Lydiate, Toby Faletau and Sam Warburton the trio is as well balanced as the northern hemisphere has seen since the days of Hill/Back/Dallaglio for England in the early noughties. Add to this Justin Tipuric on the bench and you have a formidable unit.

• Centres and Back Three: Wow! Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies were fantastic and play very well together, and with George North, Leigh Halfpenny – who some are calling the best player in world rugby – and Alex Cuthbert behind them, any time they have the ball the opposition need to be on their mettle.

Opposing teams will also need to be on their best behaviour as Halfpenny will punish you from all angles with the boot.

• Leadership: Warburton is a fantastic leader, when he talks people listen and he sets the perfect example on the field. He has great lieutenants too such as Alun Wyn-Jones who skippered the Lions in the third Test.

Weaknesses

• Loose head: They are very well set at hooker and tight head, but loose head is a different story. Perhaps Paul James or Rhys Gill will step up, but this could be an area opposition sides look to exploit.

• No. 10: With all the talent around him in the back division and back row, perhaps all they need is a game manager? But you feel the likes of Dan Biggar and/or Rhys Priestland need to step up if Wales want to fulfil their potential.

Prediction

Whether the Lions victory will convince them that they can beat the Wallabies as Wales remains to be seen, but on paper they are group winners.

England

The host nation has never failed to make it out of the group stage of the World Cup, could this be the year it happens. England versus the Wallabies on October 3 at Twickenham will be a huge game. Having beaten a weary New Zealand side in November, started strongly in the 6N and completing a convincing 2-0 win in Argentina are all great signs, but the hammering at the hands of Wales in the 6N decider is still a concern.

Strengths

• Front Row: with four of the six front rowers picked for the third Lions Test, and a full complement who destroyed the usually rock solid Puma scrum to add to the mix, this is a real area of strength. Tom Youngs is a phenomenal story, and what he lacks in scrummaging power he makes up for in his work rate in the loose.

A couple of years more playing in the position and he could be the best hooker going around. With Dan Cole and Alex Corbisiero likely to be the starting props backed up by the likes of Mako Vunipola, Joe Marler and Dave Wilson, this is a real powerhouse department.

• Back Row: With the exception of an out and out seven England are blessed with some seriously good, young, players in the back row. The most difficult decision the coach will have is how to squeeze Wood, Robshaw, Morgan, Croft, Kvesic, Billy Vunipola etc into the 22.

Weaknesses

• Wingers: England have got through the past season or so playing Mike Brown out of position on the Wing. This may work for a time, but in the long run you need specialists. The likes of Wade and Yarde give hope for the future but they have serious deficiencies in their games at the moment that will need to be addressed

• Experience: Although this will have changed by the time 2015 comes around, the England Management almost have to pick their 2015 squad now and stick with it to provide enough experience to really challenge for the trophy.

That said they have a fine selection of young players all round the park to choose from, so the quality is there. One other issue is that of captaincy…Robshaw and Wood, both good leaders – but do they get into the first XV?

Prediction

They strength of their forwards and the verve in a young back line will carry them through to second in the group.

Australia

The appointment of Ewen McKenzie to take charge of the Wallabies is absolutely the right thing to do. I was and still am a big fan of Robbie Deans, but he clearly has issues with his man management and once he has picked his favourites he won’t change his mind. With any luck this will change, as the Wallabies have the talent, especially behind the scrum to trouble anyone.

Strengths

• Back Three: O’Connor (he should be on the wing), Beale, Mogg, Folau, Ioane, Tomane, Mitchell, Morahan, Barnes(?) all competing for three positions….talk about an embarrassment of riches.

• Back Row: Mowen was the standout wallaby across all three Lions Tests, his work in the first Test to shut down Mike Phillips and therefore blunt the Lions attacking option was fantastic. Add to that Pocock (backed up by Hooper and Gill) as well as Higginbotham (I fear Palu may be past his sell by date come 2015) you have a well rounded, aggressive unit.

Weaknesses

• Discipline: This has to be the first focus for McKenzie. In the professional era when your opposition will be 100% focussed on the job at hand, you cannot afford to have people who are not adhering to team rules. Missing the bus to training is inexcusable. I am also of the opinion that rugby players should focus on rugby and not boxing (Quade) – especially in a time as crucial as this.

• Front Row: Are the wallabies as bad as they seemed in the third Test – probably not. But in a World Cup where one defeat can mean the end, they cannot afford to be perceived as weak in this area. There appear to be some good young props around the circuit, they need to develop into world class operators in the next two years, which historically has not been easy.

Prediction

Unfortunately for the likes of Will Genia (another in the conversation for best player in the world), the Wallabies come up against a the finest Welsh side for three decades at its peak, and a hungry home nation with a blend of strong forwards and fearless backs, and will finish third in the group.

It is a real shame that one of the top six sides at the tournament (NZ, SA, Wallabies, England, Wales and France) will be knocked out this early, but to be the best you have to beat the best, and the winner of this group will be battle hardened come the knock-out phases and in great shape to have a real crack at the trophy.

A lot can happen in two years mind, so who knows…

The Crowd Says:

2013-08-29T08:58:14+00:00

Ben.S

Roar Guru


By 2003 players like Trevor Woodman, Steve Thompson, Ben Kay, Joe Worsley, Lewis Moody, Jason Robinson and Josh Lewsey had all pushed out more senior players, or had forced their way on to the bench, and that had happened 2 seasons before the WC around 2001/02. There was still an ageing core of Johnson, Hill, Back, Dallaglio (who had already been dropped by Woodward), Dawson, Bracken and Catt, but they quite literally fell over the finish line. It's a huge risk to chance it all on a core of players. I agree about balance, but at the same time young players need extensive game time to win finals football, and this season is Hansen's last chance to start that process.

2013-08-29T05:34:09+00:00

richard

Guest


Ben S - agreed the AB team could potentially be reaching geriatric levels by 2015,but couldn't the same be said about the 2003 England team. For me,it will be about having the right blend of youth and experience.A very difficiult balancing exercise for any coach.

2013-08-28T10:35:41+00:00

dsat24


so the ol anzac spirit has faded a little over time then dilz...

2013-08-28T10:28:30+00:00

DilzfromHtown

Guest


No way, might having autralians in a team with all blacks will just make you Aussies think you did all the good stuff. We'll do better without the Aussies in the Anzac team

2013-08-28T10:16:36+00:00

Jerry

Guest


3 times, but not for 60 years.

2013-08-28T10:16:29+00:00

Mike

Guest


Yes, but a long time ago! I think Bill McCaw and Kevin Skinner are the only members of the 1953 side still alive.

2013-08-28T10:15:05+00:00

DilzfromHtown

Guest


Agave wales ever beaten the all blacks?

2013-08-28T10:09:07+00:00

DilzfromHtown

Guest


So the ABs completely destroyed OZ with a young team and you think OZ is well prepared for RWC you're a dreamer. SBW will be back so nonu won't even be on, wallabies won't make it to the quarters, and try not to lose to Samoa either

2013-08-28T09:54:12+00:00

Ben.S

Roar Guru


In 2015 Woodcock will be 34; Ben Franks will be 31; (ignoring the hookers); Messam will be 31; Kaino will be 32; McCaw will be 34; Dan Carter will be 33; Nonu will be 33; Conrad Smith will be 33; Cory Jane will be 32... These are the players that have driven the ABs over recent years - the core and spine of the team. Simply stating that there's potentially young and world class players out there is a) pure speculation, and b) largely irrelevant, because history has proven that the most experienced side wins the WC, so on the basis that any of the key players suddenly fall from grace or retire, Hansen has increasingly fewer games to find an alternative - look how Muliaina dropped off prior to the 2011 WC, when the season before he'd played some exceptional rugby. There won't always be a Dagg as a replacement. Also, the statement that 'every other position has depth that will be young and peak' is ridiculous and contradictory too. Based on what? Super Rugby? One thing that is certain is that the ABs won't be anywhere near the most experienced side at the next WC, nor will it resemble the current side.

2013-08-28T06:11:07+00:00

richard

Guest


Garth,it was a WC Final.And it was the ABs,they may get it wrong from time to time.But,as you know, they don't lie down for anyone.

2013-08-28T04:50:00+00:00

Dsat24

Guest


2015 is also the centenary of the Gallipoli kickoff so in the (likely absence) of the Turks at the RWC, I think the ANZACS should combine a team and bring fury against England for inviting us along as special guests to that 'special' event...

2013-08-28T01:51:12+00:00

expatmatt

Guest


way back when...

2013-08-28T00:26:52+00:00

Jerry

Guest


Sometime in the previous millennium.

2013-08-27T23:47:07+00:00

Garth

Guest


The average age of the current AB squad is less than the RWC2011 squad.

2013-08-27T23:45:30+00:00

Garth

Guest


And the WB's last won when, exactly?

2013-08-27T23:39:34+00:00

Garth

Guest


I still don't understand how they can ignore that footage of players throwing up on the sideline. Still, even sick as dogs they took the 'Boks deep into extra time.

2013-08-27T20:15:19+00:00

richard

Guest


It taught me the level of hate that exists for the ABs from other countries.

2013-08-27T19:26:40+00:00

Ben.S

Roar Guru


Seconded: Liam Williams, Dan Biggar, Lloyd Williams, Rhys Gill, Scott Andrews, Bradley Davies, Lou Reed, Craig Mitchell, Andrew Coombs, Tavis Knoyle, Rob McCusker, Ryan Bevington, Jon Spratt, James King, Tom Prydie and Andreis Pretorious have all played more than 4 professional games, buddy.

2013-08-27T11:43:26+00:00

Rob9

Guest


I'd check your facts buddy. Dan Biggar, Lloyd Williams, Bradley Davies and Lou Reed aren't exactly 4th string. Obviously this wasn't a first choice Welsh side, but the majority of the starting XV in the game they lost had some international experience prior to the Japan tour and all have played more than '4 times for their regions'. I agree with your jist that something resembling this side would never be put up to serious competition, but you look quite foolish knocking someone's interesting and valid opinion (one that I don't entirely agree with) by smugly questioning their knowledge, when a bit of study on you part wouldn't go astray.  

2013-08-27T11:03:31+00:00

Roarer

Guest


Another saddened home nation fan, just because they had limited players from their country in the Lions. Get over it. The results in Japan came with a 3rd even 4th string team with players that had played 4 at best games for their regions. Although that doesn't take away anything from Japan. Get your facts right buddy.

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