Grand final talking points and Norm Smith predictions

By Brent Ford / Roar Guru

We’re only a few sleeps away from what will be a fantastic grand final. Both teams deserve their praise and both certainly deserve to be there.

No doubt there will be many talking points in the lead up to the game. Here are just a few to get the tongues in the office wagging.

Hawthorn’s inaccuracy
Hawthorn has kicked 33 behinds in its first two finals matches. It needs to do better in the big dance if it is going to defeat a Fremantle team that is playing their best defensive football of the year.

There is no doubt that the Hawks have the right talent to be able to set up scoring opportunities – being able to finish them is a different story all together.

Hawthorn’s slickness
Boy, do they play some good football when they are on song.

Their ability to move the ball from end to end is unrivalled in the competition. They play a different style of game to the run and carry style of Geelong and Sydney.

Hawthorn like to hold and control the ball by foot, and their ability to switch the play and run it either along the wings or through the middle could cut Fremantle open.

Either way, it will be the biggest test of Fremantle’s defensive pressure all year.

Fremantle’s defensive pressure
Allowing a measly nine goals against the Cats and 11 against the Swans, these stats don’t do justice to how well Fremantle are defending.

Fremantle had held the reigning premiers to just five goals inside the first three quarters, and the Swans’ score of 2.2.14 at the half-time break is their lowest score in any final.

The Swans kicked all their goals in a period when the game was over,making the scoreboard look respectable. But Fremantle’s dominance of the Swans can mirror that of the Hawthorn effort in week one of the finals.

In Fremantle’s last two meetings with Hawthorn (both at Aurora), the Dockers have conceded 119 and 118 points. Do the Hawks have the key to the Dockers’ defence?

In saying that, Fremantle’s pressure last weekend was fanatical. There is no time and there is no space when you are playing the Dockers.

Crowley factor
Forget about the fact that he is perhaps the biggest pest in the game and just admire his pure ability to destroy the confidence of the players he is playing on.

This guy is an absolute star.

Playing on arguably Sydney’s best game breaker in Kieren Jack, he kept the rampant midfielder to just 11 touches while collecting 22 disposals and a goal himself.

There is no doubt Ross Lyon watched Friday night’s preliminary final, and it wouldn’t take Einstein to figure out who Crowley will go too.

Sam Mitchell had a season-high 38 disposals against the Cats, and Lyon will look to replicate the Swans’ model from last year’s grand final where Mitchell’s effectiveness was cut down by Ryan O’Keefe.

If Crowley can do the same thing, then Fremantle will go a long way to winning the grand final.

That’s not to say that other Hawthorn players aren’t as important, just that Sam Mitchell’s impact is worth goals to Hawthorn.

Freo’s MCG curse
Forget it, there is no such thing as a curse.

For anyone saying that Fremantle’s pressure won’t stand up to a big ground they obviously forget where Fremantle play most of their football.

Paterson’s can be compared to the MCG as it is a wide and long ground, so there is no doubt that Fremantle will be able to adapt with ease.

Still, the Dockers history at the MCG makes for interesting reading. They’ve won there just 12 times in 41 attempts.

Under Lyon, the Dockers have won three out of five matches at the MCG, including last year’s cutthroat elimination final against then reigning premiers Geelong. Lyon is a firm believer that history means nothing.

This showed when they beat the Cats in the first week of finals, after the Cats had won 43 of their previous 44 at Simonds Stadium and the Dockers had won there just once in 13 visits.

Have the Hawks already played their grand final?
Not a chance! This Hawthorn Football Club is determined for success and they accept anything less than a premiership marks their season as a failure.

Losing a grand final in 2012 will only drive them to rectify that this year. Being labelled “underachievers” is one thing, being labelled “chokers” is another.

Anyone that thinks this Hawthorn team isn’t ready is kidding themselves.

Buddy’s last game as a Hawk?
Could this be the last time we see Lance Franklin in a Hawthorn jumper?

Most signs point to yes, but we will have to wait and see.

Franklin will need to have a greater impact then he did last week if the Hawks are to win.

Hawks don’t want too become to “Buddy” conscious. Stats show that in games where Franklin doesn’t play the Hawks score more points, which can be put down to their unpredictability.

Norm Smith Medal Predictions

Fremantle – Nathan Fyfe
The guy is an absolute jet, he kicks goals, gets contested possessions and is able to hit targets.

Not to mention the fact he is also a crucial cog in the Fremantle engine room and led Fremantle’s Brownlow count on Monday night, so you know he can catch the eye of the umpires.

Other notables
Michael Barlow, David Mundy, Michael Walters, Aaron Sandilands.

Hawthorn – Shaun Burgoyne
Had 24 disposals and kicked a crucial goal to put Hawthorn in front in the preliminary final, when he was clearly the Hawks’ second best player.

His ability to create turnovers and force pressure inside Hawthorn’s forward 50 led to scoring opportunities for Hawthorn. Not to mention his second, third and fourth efforts at every contest.

On top of this, he gathered 28 disposals the last time the Hawks played Fremantle, and I am selecting him on the basis that the Hawks will need someone else to stand up assuming Sam Mitchell will get the tag.

Other Notables
Luke Hodge, Jarryd Roughead, Brad Sewell, Grant Birchall.

How each team can win

Hawthorn
Through weight of scoring opportunities. If they are able to put on early scoring pressure, it will go a long way to securing victory.

Producing scoreboard pressure will more than likely make Fremantle nervous that their structures aren’t working correctly and place pressure on young players in their first grand final.

The player who receives the Crowley tag must be able to break it and win that battle.

Fremantle
Through fanatical pressure that chokes the Hawthorn outfit, they too need to be able to counter attack the Hawthorn offence.

If they can stick to the same structures from the game against Sydney, then they will be more then capable of staying in the game and winning it.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2013-09-26T23:48:52+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Love Brad Sewell I reckon he was 2nd last year and I had him and O'Keefe :)

2013-09-26T03:15:51+00:00

Will

Guest


2007 Grand Final was Geelong VS Port Adelaide, but in the 2008 decider he did win the Norm Smith.

2013-09-26T02:26:39+00:00

RPollock

Guest


Did Luke Hodge win a Norm Smith in 2007? If he can repeat that game the hawks will win and he'll have another. Should be a cracker of a game. My smokey would be Brad Sewell.

2013-09-25T08:07:23+00:00

Steve

Guest


I think Fremantle will win the GF, I think Hawthorn played their GF against the Cats.

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2013-09-25T07:41:25+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Obviously it will feel more like an even crowd then they are used to at the MCG for the Dockers, that will help their nerves.

2013-09-25T05:52:36+00:00

johno

Guest


About 3 people turn up at York Park to support Freo each time the Dockers play. There will be a different level of support this weekend and a ground they've had recent success. When they played there this year they were missing Pav, Sandi, McPharlin. they pulled it back in the final term to 3 goals but the Hawks blew them away. Interesting that York park is 175 x 145m while the G is 171 * 146 - very close in size.

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2013-09-25T05:33:03+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


It's a funny situation, if he wins it then he can go out on a high and Hawthorn supporters can feel good whether he goes to GWS or not. If they lose its an entirely different story but for Hawthorn supporters I hope he puts in a vintage Buddy performance. Maybe the game against the Crows in that Elimination final would be fitting.

2013-09-25T05:13:01+00:00

Will

Guest


Great read! (y) As this is most likely Buddys final game in hawk colors wouldn't it be great to see him put on an absolute class act display of talent? I doubt it would be anything like his 13 vs North, but a display to remember seems a poetic end to his time in the brown and gold!

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2013-09-25T04:47:43+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Gotta love a good Byron Pickett bump don't you? By far one of my all time favourites.

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2013-09-25T04:43:18+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


"In Fremantle’s last two meetings with Hawthorn (both at Aurora), the Dockers have conceded 119 and 118 points. Do the Hawks have the key to the Dockers’ defence?" That good enough for you Luke? Buddy is out of form and there are question marks over his elbow after last week. Him and Roughy will need to kick goals if Hawthorn are to win. Freo will lose if Hawthorn can get multiple scoring opportunities from a wide range of options, blokes like Lewis, Gunston, Rioli and Hill need to kick goals along with their midfield. One of Hawthorn's greatest strengths is their ability to score points.

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2013-09-25T04:41:16+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


You are correct, 20 metres won't be all that much. It's a small amount of space in the big scheme of things, but it is all Hawthorn will need.

2013-09-25T04:40:50+00:00

Franko

Guest


I believe Crowley has had his jaw broken on the MCG before - by none other than Byron Pickett. But as is the way with Choppy, it was all above board (at the time, he'd probably get 4 weeks for it now)

2013-09-25T03:56:07+00:00

Luke

Guest


Lee, wishful thinking... But that will not happen! They might shake up his ribs legally & in the contest, but doubt they will knock him out, not in the spirit of the game or sportsman like.

2013-09-25T03:52:45+00:00

Luke

Guest


No one these days are pointing factors out why Freo should Lose.... Yet the last 2-3 games with Hawks vs Fremantle, Freo have struggled with Buddy & Roughy with McPharlin, also Hawks midfield can get on top with clearances even against Sandy, they've done it before, Freo's pressure... Lets talk about that won't give Hawks any acknowledgment of their own pressure. PS isn't as wide as the MCG though...

2013-09-25T03:43:32+00:00

Rob

Guest


Isn't the MCG over 20 meters wider than Patterson's Stadium? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that will be a huge factor IMO.

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2013-09-25T02:14:34+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


I hate it too, I remember when Farmer got taken out by Baker, it's an awful thing for the game and it says loads about those who go out of their way to hit players off the ball.

2013-09-25T02:02:44+00:00

johno

Guest


Hopefully gutless acts like that are things of the past. If the Hawks are relying on that to win then they've already lost

AUTHOR

2013-09-25T01:28:58+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Would like to see who would get rubbed out for that? Perhaps Brent Guerra?

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2013-09-25T01:28:28+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Hardly writing the Hawks off mate. In fact they have been the best team all year and deserve their massive favourites status in the grand final. Yes the Swans allowed many tap outs last week but the Hawks are masters of sharking taps. Both sides midfields are stacked with quality. Barlow, Fyfe and Mundy vs Hodge, Sewell and Mitchell for clearances. I hope you are right that we will see an attacking and defensive match up. If Hawthorn's attack is on they will win this grand final.

2013-09-25T00:54:23+00:00

Lee

Roar Rookie


My prediction - Crowley will be taken out 40m behind the play some time in the first quarter and will take no further part in the game. Mitchell will run amok, and Hawthorn will win easily.

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