Heart A-League coach Aloisi secure for now

Every season it seems some talk about CCM. I think the Mariners will be more than fine staying on the Central Coast "The club pointed out on Tuesday that the owners – including new majority shareholder Mike Charlesworth – had injected over $15m into the club and the Tuggerah-based Centre of Excellence over the past year" http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/26/central-coast-mariners-deny-sydney-move?CMP=soc_568

Munn has stated that this seasons goal is to play deep into the finals. In this current catastrophe and a dire 2 points on the tally, we have a slim chance of making it. With 20 games left go there is 60 points up for grabs. If we go by a approx 33% win, draw, loss ratio in the remaining games, (7 Wins, 7 Draws, 6 Losses - Being generous here) we will only have a total point tally of 30 points which is only 3 points more than last year. Last years sixth placing that participating in the finals (Perth Glory) had a total of 32 points. If we don't reach Munn's goal by the end of the season, I believe he should resign as he is not pushing the club in the right direction. I also think Aloisi & Foxe should of been given the boot straight after the Newcastle game to give the team time to adjust to a new coach. Acting too late could reap consequences in the long run. Someone has to be accountable for this miserable campaign.

This is the downside(CCM scenario) of creating Football Leagues today, in a country with a small population like Australia If CCM were in England by natural attrition over a century or so of competitive football throughout the country they would have found their niche in Division Two ,one at best. In other words like dozen's of English small town clubs,cost's expectations have remained at a natural level in relation to the size of town. Its like having Peterborough or Scunthorpe competing with the Manchester,Liverpool or big London clubs & being expected to be competitive,wont work. Were seeing it in some respects also with the EPL creating an unatural money gap between clubs regardless of City size. Drop out of it & you dont have the TV money to buy the better players and claw your way back up again. Very different from the old First/Second/Third /Fourth division,where city size,attendances dictated terms not TV excecutives. However that's another story & we have what we have here a League trying to create a level playing field on & off the park in vastly different markets, both in terms of size & potential football market. Contrast the Central Coast/Gold Coast/North QLD, with West Sydney Wanderers. The first three small populations, no real football history, so have to start basically from scratch & build(In that respect the Mariners can hold up their heads with what they've done in 9 years). Wanderers deep football history,Socceroos galore produced,NSL & state league clubs everywhere & just as importantly a huge latent overseas football following contingent, who could be converted to A-League fans.

Factor in the money they have made from player sales and I'd have to agree that Charlesworth is making these comments for political purposes. P**sed off about the council taking control on Feb 1 and the rent they are paying, he makes a few comments (threats?) about moving the team to North Sydney (without actually saying it of course). Without CCM what use is the stadium to the council? Of course CCM are going nowhere, Mike is just trying to get a better deal.

See my post above Mateo - small, mainly low socio-economic population spread over a large population with no significant urban centre. There would not be a sporting franchise on earth based in a smaller village than Gosford. One can hardly blame British owner for seeking the move. Small clubs in top flight English football have an area of about a third of a million to draw from like Southampton for example. Green Bay is by far the smallest NFL franchise by population- still 3 or 4 times the size of Gosford. I suspect the owner just wants to make coin- why would he care where tbe franchise is based?

But the community DOES back the club. In terms of a population base of around 500,000, CCM's 10 k average outpulls every club in the A League. The issue here is more serious: how many bums on seats does it take to break even when the salary cap is covered by tv money? Because I struggle with the idea that CCM, with a lease on their own stadium, TV money covering the salary cap, no marquee, and an av attendance of 10,000 still somehow lose 1million a year. Can someone shed some light on this? Because to me it's as clear as soot. Realistically, even if the club relocates to North Sydney, what average do they hope for? It may be that Charlesworth, a long term agitator for an independent A League free of FFA control, is talking this up for political purposes.

Not as far fetched as it seems, as you may recall. SM put in a bid to buy CCM and move a slab of home games to Melbourne.

You forgot teaching A-League referees to read the rules book & then they can teach the offside rule to Archie. Ah yes, also stop David Carneys addiction to Trip Advisor on the net Then again some things are impossible on all counts.

The key issue here for me is that CCM average around 10000 per game and are STILL losing 1 million a year. How is this possible? Is it really not viable to run an A League club with a 10k a year average? Bluetongue is a small stadium, and CCM have the lease, I believe. What is going wrong and where does that leave Perth, CCM and Heart in terms of sustainability? Because if clubs can't be run on 10k av attendance AND the tv money covering the salary cap, we have a problem, Houston.

What is it with the Central Coast community!? Won't back their local sporting clubs. CCM are one of the most committed clubs in community promo work, and yet their crowd numbers have had little growth - even after all those GF appearances. Pity to lose the M1 derby, but if a club can't keep afloat cause the community does not appreciate it, move on to a better market. What a waste of tax payers $$ on the Centre of Excellence.

Perhaps CCM should merge with Melbourne Heart and call themselves South Melbourne Hellas? That would solve all of the woes of the Oz game at once. Oh, and make Lucas Neill captain :)

Really? We finally get someone in a position to not screw over football after decades of having to deal with mayors/councils country-wide who favour RL/AFL and this is the outcome? Very unsat.

Franko, the true Aussie football fan is only really happy when there is a crisis about the place. If no crisis exists, one can be manufactured by mis-reading or mis-representing the words of those in the game.

Hmmm, the Mayor of GCC is Lawrie McKenna... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-25/former-mariners-coach-scores-mayoral-post/4278804 I do agree with the general rant against councils, but in this case you would think CCM had a friend in office.

Central Coast Mariners are looking to move a number of home games to North Sydney Oval next season in a bid to curb financial losses, although sources close to the club fear it could lead to an eventual relocation. The Mariners have already agreed to play one game at North Sydney Oval this season - against the Wellington Phoenix on December 19 - and it is understood that a strong attendance could convince the club to move more home games away from Bluetongue Stadium in a bid to attract fans from south of the Central Coast. ''I think what's more important is that there's a market in North Sydney that I believe is hungry for a professional sporting identity,'' Mariners owner Mike Charlesworth said. ''It's just difficult, as we all know, building a sustainable model with your club based in a relatively small community like Gosford.'' The club's shareholders are losing patience with the rising losses at the club and Charlesworth confirmed that a strategic push into Sydney's northern suburbs was seen as a possible solution to the financial woes. He denied the club would be rebranded or completely up-rooted from the Central Coast Advertisement ''One of the things I really need to do coming in as new owner is to look at all possibilities and build a sustainable long-term future,'' Charlesworth said. ''It's not sustainable, the losses that we're making exceeding $1 million a year. It's not sustainable for the Central Coast or for any particular owner, certainly not myself. So something has got to change and if it doesn't change their won't be a Central Coast Mariners, full stop. Finito. ''We have to make this work because that's the alternative, there is no football club, full stop, unless we do something. So that means a lot of work on the Central Coast and a lot of work in other regions.'' The Mariners' joint submission with ANZ Stadium to assume the management of Bluetongue Stadium was recently knocked back by Gosford City Council, which will take charge of the venue as of February 1 next year. The club is unhappy with its current rental deal - understood to be worth an initial $7500 hiring fee, excluding other operating costs - and the denied submission has prompted it to look into moving some home games to North Sydney. Sources close to the club fear the lower costs of staging games at North Sydney Oval could lead to an eventual relocation. It's understood there are fears that the financial incentive of playing at North Sydney Oval will sway the directors into moving the majority of home games there. The Mayor of North Sydney, Jilly Gibson, confirmed that discussions had already taken place over next year's fixtures. ''I was absolutely thrilled when he [Charlesworth] first approached us with this idea,'' Gibson said. ''He's expressed his desire to have more games.''

+1 to keeping the soul of the club in Gosford and they could do this by following your plan AZ. NSW derbies at Gosford, games v teams less likely to bring a big away contingent at NSO. I remember back to the heyday of Northern Spirit. Friday nights at NSO were a bit of fun, but like many things in Sydney, once the next shiny thing grabbed the attention of the fickle Sydney sporting public it only became a pale imitation of itself in the fading days of the NSL. The tie in with Rangers certainly didn't help. It shows what a bunch of idiot jackasses the Gosford City Council are doesn’t it? GCC reject CCMs bid to run the stadium…will we ever get to know why? City councils are typically made up of self important jobsworths who have boring jobs and get a thrill out of the miniscule amount of power they get to wield at local govt level when most rate payers would be happy to only have their garbage picked up on time and the local pollies to butt out of everything else. .North Sydney’s mayor sounds a bit more switched on to the benefit of having a top tier sporting team representing the community…I guess they really miss the Bears RL team?

Have to agree Johan the Heart business is being stretched out somewhat. Regarding The Mariners,its obvious that Charlesworth is an astute businessman & realises that Central Coast have limitations. The way he was talking in the article I read was that its inevitable that the club reaches beyond Gosford for fans, or it may go down the plughole long term. The Mariners vs Nix match at North Sydney oval will be a bit tricky in indicating that this ground will work(in attracting fans) as Wellington are not big crowd pullers ,whereas a match against Sydney FC or the Wanderers may fill the ground,but were the majority fans of the away clubs. Central Coast need a few matches against a variety of clubs to get a real indicator of North Sydney Ovals potential. Interesting development & one worth following up above Heart as it's fresh & raises the question of whether size of market is relevant to success & attendance,despite a salary cap. In non salary cap football countries like England, a long football history tells you it is.

Don't mind if they move the home games against interstate teams to North Sydney. But F3 Derby, SFC and WSW games should stay in Gosford. All 3 sets of fans love doing the trip and do it in large numbers. I absolutely love watching games at that stadium as well, one of the most picturesque settings in the league. North Sydney oval is great for cricket but not sure if i want to watch football there. Out of their 10 remaining home games. I expect them to get over 10k for 6 or 7 fixtures.

Another positive contribution from Johan, thanks mate. Oh, in the article: He (The owner) denied the club would be rebranded or completely up-rooted from the Central Coast ''One of the things I really need to do coming in as new owner is to look at all possibilities and build a sustainable long-term future,''

I haven't read that I'm off to find the article now...huge news if what you say is true.