The Prince's Wallaby player ratings

By Prince Symbol / Roar Pro

Having watched the first Bledisloe Test live, followed by a replay with the luxury of the pause, rewind, and play buttons, I have to say I thought the game was a good one – considering the conditions of course.

I’d like to go through my player ratings for the Wallabies, with 5/10 being a pass mark.

1. James Slipper
I think the fact that he was given the man-of-the-match from the Fox Sports commentary team says more about how poorly they watch and commentate rugby games than his actual performance, which was good but certainly not deserving of such an honour.

He made one notable good run in the first half, and then continued to carry reasonably well in the second half. He scrummaged and tackled well without dominating. He was no doubt the better of the two starting loose-heads but was he the best performer out there? No. 6.5/10

2. Nathan Charles
A good solid performance from a player that was under pressure. Good at set piece and carried a few times making one notable run over the advantage line. Almost put McCabe in toward the end of the match. Tackled well. Great to see we have genuine cover at Hooker. 6/10

3. Sekope Kepu
Another solid performance from a much improved player. Got penalised once at scrum-time, which for an Aussie no. 3 is not a bad return nowadays. Carried okay. Tackled strongly. Obviously he is no Owen Franks but he confirmed he is the best we’ve got at tight-head. Well maybe a fit Scott Sio might prove a better option down the line. 5.5/10

4. Sam Carter
He carried well, tackled strongly, caught his lineout ball when it came his way, and made his presence felt at the breakdown. I thought he was more impressive in this match than against the French when he received man of the match honours.

Regardless, on Saturday he was the best lock out there. Considering Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick are arguably the premier locks in world rugby at the moment that is praise indeed. 7/10

5. Rob Simmons
Caught well at the line-out. Sadly that was about it. Doesn’t carry strong enough nor does he ever really dominate contacts when he tackles. Considering he’s not much of a presence at the breakdown I really hope McKenzie sees the light and turns Carter into the line-out caller so that Simmons can slip out of the squad.

Sorry but in four seasons of international rugby he is yet to really impact a game. 5/10

6. Scott Fardy
Certainly the best he has played for the Wallabies this year. That wasn’t hard because in the French series he was a big disappointment. I’m still waiting to see the impact everyone else seems to think he could have on Test rugby. He carried well on a couple of occasions but I didn’t seem him dominate anyone with a black jersey.

His opposite Jerome Kaino is twice the player and that is a problem if he is fit for game two. Did anyone else notice the presence Fardy’s replacement Scott Higginbotham had in the last 15 minutes? If Higginbotham is selected at no. 6 next week, and Kaino is injured, we may have an advantage at blindside next week! Anyway back to Fardy, an improved performance but still only: 5/10

7. Michael Hooper
Watching it live he was my man-of-the-match just ahead of Horne and Carter. When I watched the replay closely I couldn’t see a reason to change my mind. Got over the advantage line every time he carried, made half break after half break, got a crucial turn-over and tackled everything that came his way with one or two bone crunching hits. That’s two big games in a row that he has outshone Richie McCaw, something I never saw George Smith or David Pocock do.

Okay he got penalised once at the breakdown and some may be critical of his captaincy for taking a scrum instead of points. Of course, if Beale hadn’t missed the following kick a minute or so later it would have made no difference.

Overall it was another inspiring performance from a young and promising captain. Is it too early to start predicting him as a Wallaby great? 7.5/10

8. Wycliffe Palu
Of the two no. 8s, again Palu was again the better player. Was heavily involved in the game all match and I was surprised to hear the commentary state at around the 30minute mark that he hadn’t been involved. At that time he was leading our carries and moments before he’d chased down and boot-laced tackled Ben Smith. This sums him up.

He does so many unheralded things and often doesn’t get any of the praise he deserves. Carried very strongly in tight yet again, tackled strongly and smashed into every ruck he was near enough too. It was not his best game of the year but he is arguably the best no 8 in the world at this precise moment. 7/10

9. Nic White
Oh dear. Many were calling for Phipps to take his place as the Wallaby no. 9 and White produced the kind of game that validates that opinion. In a word he was inaccurate. Inaccurate passing and inaccurate box kicking is not what he wants when it is those very things that had him selected over the more in form scrum half.

The conditions were suited for White and he failed to deliver. 3.5/10

10. Kurtley Beale
You put a no. 10 on his back and he cracks under pressure. Put a 15 or a 12 on his back, ask him to play only a marginally different role and he plays great.

As the game went on he began to play more like he was wearing a no 12 or 15 and did enough to retain a starting place next week. Aaron Cruden is no doubt the better player and that could prove the biggest factor next week. 5/10

11. Rob Horne
He was almost the best player out there on Saturday. He pressured the All Blacks with his bravery in defence and carried well over the advantage line every time he got the ball. His opposite no, who was by all means still a class act, was for the first time outplayed by a Wallaby no. 11, but only because they played very different roles for their side.

Horne is the inside centre we’ve needed for a while and I’m glad he’s done it while wearing the no. 11.

This way it will not draw attention to the fact that having a direct no 12 is the modern way for success. No wait I didn’t say that… he played really well out on the wing is what I meant to say. 7/10

12. Mat Toomua
The second best no. 10 in Australia at the moment behind Bernard Foley and the second best inside centre behind the Kurtley Beale/Rob Horne symbiosis. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense to play Toomua because he isn’t the best option at 10 or 12.

To be fair, under the conditions he had a solid performance. He possibly played slightly better than Beale overall but both weren’t great so I suggest we will know more this time next week. With Ma’a Nonu injured we may have an advantage at 12 next week regardless. 5.5 /10

13. Adam Ashley-Cooper
Not the ideal conditions for outside backs and his rating is more indicative of that fact than any over-riding criticism. Ran well when he got the ball and I can’t recall any errors in defence. Was more than a match for his opposite no who also held his own with limited chances to shine. 5/10

14. Pat McCabe
When is Henry Speight available? To be fair to McCabe torrential rainy nights are not ideal for no. 14s and despite not having the stones to go for the corner when he really needed to, he at-least was the best no. 14 out there. Did anyone else notice Cory ‘built-like-Tarzan-plays like’ Jane walk off the field after the Haka and slip back on some 80 minutes later to shake hands?

Pat, something tells me your best role for the Wallabies is on the bench. 5/10

15. Israel Folau
Fullbacks are not meant to shine in these conditions. Made a horrible mistake early putting his foot out after catching a ball. Other than that he had a solid, unspectacular game. A couple of decent runs saw him still carry for the most metres of either side and watching him run over the top of Kaino was a high-light because I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else do that.

Of the two fullbacks I thought he was marginally better than Ben Smith. 6/10

As for the reserves I think it was a massive disappointment that McKenzie didn’t bring his subs on earlier. In a drenched, energy-sapping match you need to use your reserve forwards better and I can’t help but think that the token use of Higginbotham, Skelton and co, too late in the game, cost us dearly.

As for the All Blacks I mentioned in the above ratings their most influential and innocuous players. Over-all they were disappointing despite playing great wet weather rugby early on.

With the poor weather it really should’ve been a victory for New Zealand, who on paper certainly have the better wet-weather side, so I think the moral victory goes to the Wallabies.

Unfortunately that draw was as good as a loss for Australia, in the context of the Bledisloe, so I suppose the All Blacks would be the happier of the two sides even though they don’t deserve to be.

The Crowd Says:

2014-08-18T20:43:21+00:00

therugbyfan

Guest


fair enough I'll remove the word "Bias" but I'll definetly be leaving Crap haha take a look at your backline ratings for the AB's in particular Cory "best seat in the house" Jane gets a 6 really, Nonu a 7??? AAC a 7 as well...for what?? Horne did he score a a double or something to get that 8 lol your opinion i guess http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-championship/news/article.cfm?c_id=351&objectid=11310330 Agree with most of their ratings, maybe Horne should go up to a 6 though

2014-08-18T20:26:19+00:00

therugbyfan

Guest


You ever thought to yourself maybe Folau doesn't need to kick or was told not to? It is a really high possibility as the Wallabies game plan was for him to run rather than kick. Folau again beat Kaino head on and Nonu, the other two tackle busts that I remember came from running sideways 5-10 metres towards the try line, why would any back straighten up at a forward pack when you could evade them sideways FYI defenders beaten counts if you break attempted tackles lol quit with your "he only beat them because he ran across field" crap beating a defender is beating a defender and no you said he came close go 3....BTW that's why Folau gets a 5-6 because of those errors he made not a stupid close to 3

2014-08-18T12:25:04+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Only if you look at one or 2 stats and forget about kicking in the wet, turnovers, positional play, errors of judgement and general fullback play.

2014-08-18T12:24:27+00:00

Graeme

Guest


I don't think he can be blamed for the short kicks in behind working. That was obviously a flaw in our defensive pattern that the kiwis targeted. It should normally have a sweeper collecting those balls, probably white, not Folau.

2014-08-18T12:21:05+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Umm he didnt kick and got most of those metres from kick returns so he would get 10 metres unopposed. B.Smith kicked, Folau ran. B.Smith smart, Folau dumb. He turned the ball over more than any player. He caught the ball and then stepped over the sideline. He was too deep and it caused a lot of problems. He got caught in posssession after running across field twice. B.Smith aved slightly more per carry, was better positionally, played smarter, wasnt too deep, didnt turn the ball over once and didnt run accross field and get caught with his forward pack in front of him. So what if Folau beat a whole bunch of defenders running accross the park, he was ordinary. It was not up to standard and I didnt give him a 3, read properly. But he beat players as he ran accross field and averaged 3 metres per run despite most being kick returns and his players beaten. Thats because he ran accross field when he was beating these players. A fullback that doesnt kick once and only averages 3 metres per run includong kick returns and turned the ball over 4 times if you include his blunder with the sideline. Brilliant.

2014-08-18T12:16:26+00:00

Graeme

Guest


I don't think he can be blamed for the short kicks in behind working. That was obviously a flaw in our defensive pattern that the kiwis targeted. It should normally have a sweeper collecting those balls, probably white, not Folau.

2014-08-18T11:54:58+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Bias towards who? I wont agrgue, you know crap after speaking so much of it.

2014-08-18T09:43:47+00:00

therugbyfan

Guest


1+

2014-08-18T09:41:50+00:00

therugbyfan

Guest


3, lol is that the number you give to someone who made the most metres and tackle busts in the game smh first time in a long time I've seen Kaino miss a 1 on 1 tackle head on Izzy caused that, he also got rid of Nonu with ease in one run, smashed Savea in a tackle and also took him down quite easily in another (Savea first run). Lets face your judgment is clouded.

2014-08-18T09:32:31+00:00

therugbyfan

Guest


wow your ratings are a load of crap, you're not bias at all lmao what game were you watching lol

2014-08-18T08:49:47+00:00

Dingo

Guest


I think regarding folau, he wasn't up to the level we're use to, but was still pretty good, trampling over kaino a highlight. Like at school when teachers mark you down because they expect more than the average student. He still outplayed Ben smith IMHO.

2014-08-18T06:08:10+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Ratings imo. 1 = One of the worst performances ever. 2 = Absolute shocker. 3 = Well below standard 4 = Not good enough. 5 = A pass. 6 = Pretty good. 7 = Yep good. 8 = Really Good. 9 = Amazing. 10 = We have just witnessed greatness. Not enough 3s are given out imo but Folau was close.

2014-08-18T05:53:19+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Simmons got a 7 whilst Carter got an 8. Probably should be a 6 & a 7.

2014-08-18T05:44:04+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


I know its a difficult exercise to mark players but I have to say I disagree with quite a few of your marks, prince. The front rowers deserve imo better, the locks and especially back-rowers less ( Palu and Hooper aren't 7/7.5 on this match) and Folau wasn't a 6 but more a 5 imo.

2014-08-18T05:43:15+00:00

Xenomorph

Guest


Jane was fine but not given much opportunity, doesnt mean he played poorly does it? Folau was ordinary, ran sideways, got caught in possession, got caught too deep repeatedly, got caught out of position and turned the ball over 3 times whilst not once did he kick the ball on a wet night. Showed a lack of experience in those conditions and at that level. Worst of the fullbacks this week. Must have forgotten Read and Palu, I will give them both a 6 because ratings should include defense Prince, what do you think?

AUTHOR

2014-08-18T05:29:52+00:00

Prince Symbol

Roar Pro


Getting over the advantage line and making a lot of dominant tackels is not ordinary work... he's exactly what this side needs.. i wasn't convinved about Sam Carter until this game btw plus he looked good when he was thrown to in the line-out. It's Simmons and Fardy where the questions should be asked... With Skelton,Neville, L Jones and Higginbotham or McCalman, there are others that could add a lot more value than Simmons or Fardy, provided one of these guys takes on the line-out calling. Simmons in particular has had 4 years to prove himself and as i said i can't tremember one game where he played the house down. In terms of Fardy, if Elsom had played as ineffective as he has this year for the wallabies thered be 100's calling for his proverbial head.

2014-08-18T05:18:18+00:00

jameswm

Roar Guru


He does a good job of doing a lot of ordinary work. It's a luxury we can't afford with Simmons and Fardy there.

AUTHOR

2014-08-18T02:03:40+00:00

Prince Symbol

Roar Pro


I have 1000 questions for you but i'll ask 2... How did Cory 'built-like-tarzan-plays-like' Jane score a 6 out of 10? It is a well known fact that he placed a card-board cut-out of himslef on the field somehwere near the quarter line, and watched the game in seat 24 row k aisle 136... In all seriousness i can't remember him touching the ball so I checked the stats and he touched the ball once and made 2metres apparently.... i think he may have made a couple of tackles... that was it. His 6/10 kind of makes a mockery of taking your scores seriously. Also was Read so bad that you didn't bother giving him a score? perhaps it was because he too hardly took the ball into a tackle if at all. To be fair he made some tackles but for a no 8 to have no impact in the tight with ball in hand on rainy night must've been very disappointing. Every time he got the ball he just passed it... on the other hand Palu cartered it up over the advantage line all night.

AUTHOR

2014-08-18T01:41:30+00:00

Prince Symbol

Roar Pro


if that were true why did i rate Carter so highly.. a player keeping Skelton from a wallaby start? ps where do i get these polota-nau nightlights?

2014-08-18T01:34:18+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Guest


I was at a function Friday night, had a great long chat with Tatafu Polota-Nau, his rehab is going well, brace off Sunday (yesterday) and starting to run again this week. Hopes to be available for SA match in Perth. I wish him well

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