Seven questions from Round 1 of the NRL finals

By Ryan O'Connell / Expert

The first weekend of the NRL finals didn’t disappoint rugby league fans, with plenty of tension, excitement, upsets, controversy and scintillating play.

Though this weekend’s semi-finals can’t come quick enough, there remains plenty to discuss from Round 1 – including the following seven questions.

Are Penrith the real deal?
No. They’re not. They got lucky. They’re not a great side, and they’ve over-achieved this year.

Conversely, perhaps its time I – and many others – finally started to give the Panthers some long overdue credit. After all, they’ve just knocked off the defending premiers – and this season’s minor premiers – who were in pretty good form.

Behind the superb coaching of Ivan Cleary, this is a very good football team. They’re as tough as nails, compete for the full 80 minutes, and every member of the squad knows his role and performs it to the best of their ability. That’s a pretty dangerous combination in finals football, as the Roosters can now attest to.

No mention of the Panthers can go without Jamie Soward. Much-maligned, but unquestionably talented, the little half is a smart footballer, and is thriving on the added responsibility he’s been given at Penrith. Confidence goes a long way to achieving success, and ‘Sowie’ is full of that after his match-winning kicks on Saturday.

Yes, this team is the real deal.

Are the Dogs back?
As impressive as the Dogs win on Sunday was – travelling down to Melbourne and defeating an experienced and talented Storm outfit – it doesn’t erase the memory of the previous eight weeks of poor football.

So let’s not announce the Dogs as back to their competition-leading form from the start of the season just yet.

By the same token, credit where credit is due. Des Hasler had his team ready to play against Melbourne with a simple but effective game plan. He had his big boppers going forward, but looking to get plenty of second phase play by sending two, and sometimes three, support players with them.

James Graham, in particular, was sensational at charging to the defensive line, drawing a number of defenders, and then getting quality ball away. When the Dogs play like that, it somewhat negates the lack of creativity in the halves.

Should the Dogs forward pack continue to dominate – not just through size, but skill – the Dogs will take some serious beating, no matter the opposition.

Is Melbourne’s dynasty over?
Any club with Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk, along with the coaching of Craig Bellamy, is going to be one of the better teams in the competition. That’s just too much talent in one side for it to be anything less than very good.

However, the Storm do need to make some changes in order to maintain the very high standards they have set for themselves.

Personally, I think they need to invest in a high impact, elite-level forward. Their current pack is serviceable; they’re reliable, and do a solid job. However, I think the Storm need a game-breaker up front.

That’s easier said than done though. Great forwards don’t grow on trees, or become free agents very often. Nor do they come cheap. Yet if the Storm want to compete for the premiership in the twilight of the careers of the Big Three, they need to somehow add some punch to their pack.

Should the Roosters be worried?
The Roosters suffered a shock loss to the Panthers on Saturday, and now face a red-hot Cowboys team this Friday night, so you could understand if the hands were hovering over the panic buttons in Bondi.

Let us be realistic though: the Roosters played pretty well on Saturday night, and save for some Penrith magic at the death, they would currently have their feet up, waiting to see who their opposition would be in the preliminary final. Funny things happen in rugby league, and the Chooks were on the wrong end of it on the weekend.

As for facing North Queensland this week, it’s the NRL finals – you’re only going to face quality opposition at this time of the year. As such, there is no point panicking about facing an in-form team, because the reality is that you should be.

The Roosters need not be worried, but they do need to be well prepared, because Johnathan Thurston has his Cowboys scoring tries for fun, and the team is full of momentum, two valuable assets at this time of the year.

Did South exorcise some finals demons against Manly?
Unfortunately, beating an extremely poor Manly in week one of the finals is not what Souths’ season is going to be judged upon.

As impressive as they were against the Sea Eagles – and make no mistake about it, they were extremely impressive – the Bunnies and their fans know that it’s ‘premiership or bust’ this year.

They’ll take a lot of confidence out of their performance against the Sea Eagles, but their finals demons will only be exorcised with a preliminary finals win, if not the premiership.

Was Tariq Sims tackle really that bad?
I honestly think there was nothing in this tackle. I know Hodges was injured, and anytime a player is hurt, it’s not a good thing. However, rugby league is a contact sport played by big, athletic individuals. Collisions are going to happen, and just because somebody gets hurt, that doesn’t automatically mean someone else is at fault.

Having looked at the footage a number of times, I think Sims was committed to running in Hodges’ direction, and his momentum carried him into the Brisbane fullback after he had passed the ball.

Some have argued he had plenty of time to pull out of the contact, but he’s a big boy, running at pace. It’s not as easy to change direction or stop as one would think. I don’t think it was a shoulder charge, I think Sims was simply bracing himself for the inevitable contact.

Forget a five to seven-week suspension; I don’t think it was even a penalty.

Should Manly clean house and start again?
The Sea Eagles are a proud club that has had a very successful run with a core group of players over a number of years. Yet based on their performances over the last six weeks, culminating in their horrible effort against Souths on Friday night, perhaps it’s time to commence a rebuild.

Sure their season isn’t even over yet, but a fish rots from the head, and I believe the in-fighting on the Manly board has played a large role in the club gradually falling apart this year. The whole board should be replaced with individuals who put the club first, and personal agendas second.

The changes shouldn’t stop there.

It’s been reported that Steve Matai, Brett Stewart and Anthony Watmough have all asked for a release at various times this season, despite being contracted to the club for next season. It’s a big call, but Manly could do a lot worse than letting them out of their contracts this off-season.

I’m not convinced said players are 100 per cent happy at, or committed to, the club. Considering their age, salaries, and connection to the already departed Glenn Stewart, it would seem to be a mutually beneficial decision to all part ways.

With Daly Cherry-Evans and Keiran Foran, Manly has a solid foundation to rebuild upon and I doubt they’d been down for every long, if at all. However, it is time for changes, because something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark … er, Brookvale.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2014-09-17T10:06:43+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


All good, mate!

2014-09-17T05:01:25+00:00

mushi

Guest


My humblest apologies I thought you had written an article to that effect but it was another writer - you all look the same to us :) So I was completely incorrect to put that in the parenthesis. Would he - no I don't think so should he - Yes by deciding to shoulder charge he intentionally relinquished control and created the potential for injury which goes to the recklessness. He doesn't simply stop being reckless because it all turned out okay.

2014-09-17T02:01:50+00:00

rl

Guest


Apology accepted. We'll have to agree to disagree about his ability to avoid the contact - I think he had time to pull out, you don't. But I completely agree about the severity - 5-7 weeks seems excessive except if the judiciary had been taking a consistently stern line about contact to the head, which they haven't. Penalty for the late shot (which I wouldn't call a shoulder charge) becomes 1-2 weeks because of the contact with the head. Reckless, but not intentional.

AUTHOR

2014-09-17T01:18:34+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


It could be extended, sure, but that was not the point I was trying to make at all. Rather, I was saying, if there was no intent, and the attacking player was not injured, would there still be a punishment? And Mushi, I don't think I've ever stated that I support the NRL punishing " . . . the observed outcomes of foul play not foul play itself." Quite the opposite, in fact.

AUTHOR

2014-09-17T00:56:20+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


My apologies. I took the comment " . . .then I guess at 44 seconds in the footage Hodges has grown an arm out of his forehead. With a Cowboys sleeve on it no less" was implying that Sims hit Hodges in the forehead. I honestly still don't think he raised his arm. The frame you're referring to is after impact. I think he braced his arm for contact, yes, but I don't think he raised it. But perhaps we have different interpretations of 'raised'. I think that is like when you cock your elbow, but I think he tucks his arm into his body. Do you feel that is 'raising the arm'? (Honest question, not being a smart ar*e.) Granted, he may have been able to slow down more than he did. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that a big unit, running at pace, doesn't slow easily. In any event, as I mentioned yesterday, there is a duty of care involved for players, and for that I have no retort. So I feel a one week suspension would be fair enough, and I take back my 'no penalty' comment. I think I was trying to counter-balance the hysteria of '5-7 weeks' by going equally absurd in the other direction.

2014-09-17T00:48:12+00:00

rl

Guest


totally aree with your positions mushi. What's especially frustrating for fans and players alike is this very thing - they are punishing based on the outcome, and not the intent Ryan's hypothetical could easily be extended to a head high shot where the offender breaks his arm. Just because the offender injured himself in the act of commiting an offence, doesn't lessen the offence itself.

2014-09-17T00:41:40+00:00

rl

Guest


Ryan - my script is up to date, however you need to stop skim-reading my friend. At no stage have I suggested he struck him with the arm. You, however, are saying Sims did not raise his arm - a very important distinction. I'll repeat myself - the raising of the arm in the motion of making the tackle AFTER Hodgo unloaded is intent to make a tackle - in his defence, it looked to me that he tried to reduce the imapct at the last instant (didn't actually follow through with that arm to make contact, and tried to turn his body away). But he had prior opportunity to pull out of the tackle - as I said earlier, simple physics suggests that simply decelarating in those last 2 steps would have been enough. Its not been that long since I played to know that 2 strides is more than enough tme to decide if you are going to pound him or not. He rolled the dice.

2014-09-16T23:38:20+00:00

mushi

Guest


Okay ignoring your no penalty comment and going down the rabbit hole of hypothetical here and discussing a different incident that has never happened... At speed shoulder to shoulder and he gets hurt instead of hodges, does that change the outcome. In reality - yes it would because the NRL punishes the observed outcomes of foul play not foul play itself(a stance you have supported). It's like the NFL doens't suspend you for more than 2 weeks for knocking you wife unconscious, it does it if there is video on TMZ of you knocking your wife unconscious. If the NRL had an effective system and wanted to encourage players to not shoulder charge they would judge him by the collision he chose to enter into and not the outcome. But that isn't what the NRL or professional sports leagues in general do.

AUTHOR

2014-09-16T23:19:33+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


It's time to get down to OPSM and get those eyes checked. You're saying Sims raised his arm and hit Hodges in the forehead? Are you for real? Seriously? This is absolutely baffling to me. You're watching the same footage from above and saying Sims raises his arm and hits Hodges in the head?

AUTHOR

2014-09-16T23:13:48+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


Haha! It's fair point!

2014-09-16T23:06:18+00:00

rl

Guest


then I guess at 44 seconds in the footage Hodges has grown an arm out of his forehead. With a Cowboys sleeve on it no less. Wow. Just wow.

2014-09-16T22:21:49+00:00

planko

Guest


I am sorry whilst my heart agrees with you. MANLY is not 50/1 I reckon at worst they are 2.5 x 2.5 and 4.5 so you might me able to justify 25 to 30/1 depending on your book. But that is huge and if you offered it the pro's weigh your book down in a heart beat. Every bookie in the world mortgage their house to give you 3/1 on the cowboys after all they are 2.6 to win the first game.. Dogs are 1.7 x1.9 x 2.5 minimum so that would be the second mortgage. Panthers are close to that and rabibits well that is probably the corp rate at the moment. Roosters I am pretty sure you would get love at 7/1

2014-09-16T20:16:45+00:00

johnnno1

Guest


Led souths 6-0. But yes, questionable calls. Playing souths, that will happen when plauong greenbergs darlings.

2014-09-16T11:48:50+00:00

Doug Graves

Guest


This. Thread done in one

2014-09-16T11:42:43+00:00

Worlds Biggest

Guest


Nice piece Ryano, agree the Storm need an elite ball running forward to lead the charge. Not much has been made of the departure of Widdop, he was outstanding for the Dragons this season. The Dogs were super impressive, if they keep that form up they will be very difficult to beat. Brett Morris would be a great addition at the back. The Pennies have been consistent all year, well coached and have there key playmakers in great form. Manly need to start the rebuild and let the disgruntled senior players leave. No player/s are bigger than the Club. Provided they hold onto DCE and Foran they won't be out of contention for long. The Chooks are too good a team to go out this weekend and expect them to come out firing. I just hope they and the Cows belt the bejaysus out of each other. Then one of them goes up against a rested Rabbitohs team with Te'o back on deck. Come on Bunnies !

2014-09-16T10:56:47+00:00

Knightblues

Roar Guru


The Sims tackle 5 weeks? WHAAAATTTT!!!! NRL judiciary are insane!

2014-09-16T10:41:36+00:00

Tricky

Guest


There certainly won't be rest for Pearce. Thurston will school him.

2014-09-16T10:34:18+00:00

Tricky

Guest


I hope so Knightsblues!

2014-09-16T08:19:43+00:00

Knightblues

Roar Guru


I doooo

2014-09-16T08:19:17+00:00

Knightblues

Roar Guru


and that RIP stands for pieces not peace

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