Luck ready to claim Manning's throne

By Sam Rigney / Expert

He is the undisputed crown prince; the heir apparent to the throne currently being shared by two of the greatest quarterbacks of the 21st century – Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

And while Colts’ signal-caller Andrew Luck matched up against one on Sunday night, he will forever be compared to the other.

Luck finished with the better stat line at Lucas Oil Stadium, but Brady and the Patriots won their fifth straight game over the Colts, a 42-20 blowout on the back of the surprisingly effective running game of rookie Jonas Gray.

Playing from behind and with far less time of possession, Luck still managed to throw for 303 yards, two touchdowns and a second quarter tipped interception.

The 25-year-old first-overall pick out of Stanford got his team back within one score on two occasions, but it was the defence’s inability to stop the run that ultimately sunk the Colts.

Luck has emerged as the next great quarterback during his three seasons in the league, leading the Colts to two straight 11-5 seasons and the playoffs in 2012 and 2013. He has the Colts at 6-4 and the outright lead in the AFC South this season and can look forward to a favourable run into the playoffs.

From there, the Colts could prove to be a Super Bowl dark horse; TY Hilton has emerged as a superstar, Reggie Wayne is still proving dependable, Ahmad Bradshaw has been a beast in the screen game and their defence had ranked ninth overall at stopping the run before the blowout in week 11.

And then there is Luck. Like it or not, his career and Manning’s will forever be intertwined. Both were drafted No. 1 overall by the Indianapolis Colts.

The drafting of one meant the departure of the other. Both inherited awful rosters and were forced to carry bad teams. But if you compare Luck and Manning’s first two seasons in the league, Luck has the upper hand statistically.

Luck had more passing yards (8196-7874) than Manning, less interceptions (27-43) and a slightly better passer rating (81.75-80.95), while Manning had more touchdowns (52-46) and a slightly better completion rate (59.4-57.1). Luck’s record of 11-5 and second place in the AFC South in his rookie year was superior to Manning’s 3-13 finish in 1998 as the Colts finished fifth as part of the AFC East.

Luck won a playoff game, virtually on his own, in his second season, while Manning and the Colts earned a bye, but then lost to the Titans in the divisional round.

Manning didn’t win a playoff game until 2003, his sixth year in the league. A combination of statistics and team success gives Luck the edge at this point. But to really compete with No. 18, he needs to do two things.

First, he must take the leap and become a perennial top three quarterback in the league, just like Manning did in 1999, and win consistently in the post-season.

That has always been Manning’s Achilles heel – he struggles to win in the crunch. If he emulates Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco and wins a Super Bowl in his first five seasons, then Luck can genuinely be talked about as Manning’s heir apparent. But whether or not he can enjoy the same longevity and the same high-level of play as Manning remains to be seen.

There is another effective way to measure whether Luck’s short career is worthy of comparison – if he can eclipse Manning’s single-season passing yardage record just a season after it was set.

Luck leads the league in passing with 3,388 and is currently on track to break Manning’s 5,477 mark.

He is averaging 339 yards a game, only five yards less per game than Manning did in 2013. Also, in 2013 the Broncos managed to lock up the top seed in the AFC with a few regular-season games remaining, meaning Manning was routinely rested in the fourth quarter.

The Colts may not enjoy that same luxury this season and Luck should play the vast majority of snaps.

The run home for the Colts does feature a few good pass defences, but Luck will also get to air it out against the Jaguars (26th in the NFL against the pass) and the Texans (29th).

Also, despite the signings of Bradshaw and Trent Richardson, the Colts don’t really have a run game and rely on Luck to power their offense and get them back into games. And the defence is just bad enough to keep them in a shoot-out, like when the Steelers thumped the Colts in Week 8 and Luck threw 400 yards and three touchdowns.

But Luck is not the only player with his sights set on a single-season yardage record in 2014.

DeMarco Murray needs 873 yards in six games – or 146 yards a game – to better Eric Dickerson’s mark from 30 years ago.

Before the Cowboys bye week he had rushed for 1233 yards in 10 games, leading all other running backs by more than 400 yards.

If his current average of 123 yards a game remains the same, Murray will finish on 1972 yards, about a game short of the record and good enough for eighth-overall on the all-time list.

But all he needs is to string together a couple of 150 or 200-yard outings against some of the struggling rush defences in the NFC East to be in with a shot. Murray faces the Giants (last in the NFL in opponents rushing yards) and the Eagles (19th) twice more before the season is over.

Meanwhile, both Antonio Brown (1,161) and Demaryius Thomas (1,015) have put themselves in contention to break Calvin Johnson’s single-season receiving record of 1,964 yards set just two years ago.

Brown leads the league in receiving and has been consistently good since Week 1. But the Steelers surprise loss to the Jets in week 10 was Brown’s worst performance of the season. He had just 74 yards as Ben Roethlisberger struggled.

The diminutive receiver was the favourite ahead of Thomas up until that point, but he slipped off the pace slightly.

The one advantage Thomas has over Brown is that Manning rarely produces a bad game, and even when he does he still airs the ball out for 350 yards. While Brown has been steady throughout, Thomas has exploded in the last seven weeks with 964 yards.

And despite playing in a more crowded offense, Thomas is the more likely to break the record. He has a game in hand over Brown – and the hot hand.

In 2012, Johnson and Adrian Peterson were both on track to eclipse the receiving and rushing single-season records respectively. But while Megatron managed to surpass the mark set by the great Jerry Rice, Peterson fell nine yards short of Dickerson’s incredible feat.

This season to have four players in the conversation for all three major single-season yardage records shows how the NFL’s focus on making the games safer is leading to more offense and more scoring. But this year, like in 2012, I can see only one player setting a new mark – Luck.

He’s got the weapons and he will get plenty of opportunity to throw. But most importantly Luck has got the motive. Breaking one of Manning’s records already would mean Luck could take one big step out of his predecessor’s shadow.

What do you think, Roarers? Will Luck break Manning’s record?

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2014-11-23T07:53:40+00:00

Sam Rigney

Expert


Also, Trent Dilfer with the Ravens and Brad Johnson with the Bucs

AUTHOR

2014-11-23T07:48:56+00:00

Sam Rigney

Expert


Chicago Bears, Rex Grossman Super Bowl XLI

2014-11-22T21:24:10+00:00

Mickyt

Guest


Ok mushy please inform me of great and successful teams who had a below average QB at there disposal?

AUTHOR

2014-11-20T07:20:42+00:00

Sam Rigney

Expert


Well put, mushi. I agree with you as usual.

2014-11-19T23:12:04+00:00

Steve

Guest


Not suggesting its a tie breaker or passing judgement on its validity for annointing the best team...just pointing out that it can't be completely discounted (just weighted appropriately) from any QB comparison. Rusted on manning fans might argue otherwise!

2014-11-19T21:57:49+00:00

mushi

Guest


My biggest problem with the rings is that you speak to anyone that's even had to do one unit of stats (and paid attention) and has looked at professional sports "champions" the superbowl, whilst a great spectacle and the over all goal, is a relatively invalid means of anointing the "best team" due to the peculiarities of the regular season scheduling and the variability of single game outcomes in the NFL. So to use a relatively invalid team achievement as a tie breaker for individual assessment to me beggars belief.

2014-11-19T21:52:34+00:00

mushi

Guest


I am not having a shot at Rodgers I am saying that you can’t look at a team and go team winning = good QB, team loses game = bad QB which seems to be a good 25-50% of roarer’s views on NFL I think Rodgers is awesome but you look at the first three games of the season - yards per attempt, completion percentage and total QBR were all around the league average for a starter. Then as players started coming back his numbers started coming up and now that they seem to have continuity they are bloody unstoppable. So did Rodgers forget to how to play QB or does the NFL involve 11 guys working in concert to the music composed by the head coach? I think we agree on the answer to that one.

2014-11-19T17:22:06+00:00

RDG

Guest


and when did he look average? even when he had a banged up Oline rodgers manages to get wins he is one of the best QB's who can win games with 2nd\3rd string players. I do however agree with you that the Oline is one of if not the most import aspects of the team. The packers haven't looked this healthy in a long time (knock on wood) even in there 2010\2011 Super Bowl winning season they were playing with a lot of injuries. If the pack can keep healthy they will win the Super Bowl comfortably, I don't see anyone being able to beat them at home. The only worry is the 49ers if they can somehow get into the playoffs and play against the pack then there could be issues. Not sure why but the packers bogie teams are the 49ers and the Giants they always seem to be able to beat the packers no matter what the form says.

2014-11-19T08:57:24+00:00

Steve

Guest


It gets lost in the 'my favourite QB is better than your favourite QB' debate, but all QB stats are (like in every team sport) ultimately influenced by team performance (OL, recievers, run game, defence) and other factors (weather, strength of your division) to some extent. Chief amongst these is Super Bowl wins...but that does not make it irrelevant. Manning and Brady are actually very close in lots of stat categories (passer rating, completion %, interception %), with some obvious points of difference...including Super Bowl wins. For this reason, Brady's championships are (in my view) a legitimate part of the comparison.

2014-11-19T06:29:06+00:00

mushi

Guest


Here is something from grantland I read today in a piece about using titles (a team reward) to define individuals. "Some narratives are also, frankly, dumb. The word “narrative” can act as a synonym for “line of thought that exists somewhere in the world, and is demonstrably false.” We use an awful lot of brain space addressing and rebutting “narratives” that probably don’t merit all that much attention, save for the fact that they bring clicks."

2014-11-19T06:17:24+00:00

mushi

Guest


Thanks for the four factual statements already known by the entire NFL watching universe.

2014-11-19T05:19:44+00:00

Mickyt

Guest


Jim Kelly went to 4 straight super bowls. Unfortunately lost them all. Class QB no question. They had a tremendous win-loss ratio but alas no rings!

2014-11-19T05:01:10+00:00

Big Steve

Guest


I watched the NE v IND game. Luck has also been practicing his confused losing Manning face we got to see in the Superbowl last year. That blank look of denial/confusion is too funny.

2014-11-19T03:59:37+00:00

mushi

Guest


Though funnily enough he looked average whilst his line was banged up...

2014-11-19T03:57:56+00:00

mushi

Guest


I do love how those that seemingly ignore statistics count the number of super bowls. That is a statistic, it’s just a clumsy one clung to by the “challenged” kids. The line on each side of the ball is more important than the QB, not on an individual level (ie on lineman versus the QB) but on a collective level for each position group

AUTHOR

2014-11-19T02:31:38+00:00

Sam Rigney

Expert


You are correct, Chop. Rodgers is incredible, but I named Manning and Brady as my quarterback kings because they have been doing it for 15 years. Rodgers is in that middle section - he has been awesome for seven years, but because of the start to his career behind Favre he will be 31 soon and can no longer be considered "young" or "emerging" etc. But you are correct, if Rodgers keeps doing this for a few more years then he should be held in the same esteem as Brees, Brady and Manning.

AUTHOR

2014-11-19T02:24:28+00:00

Sam Rigney

Expert


Statistics still mean something. Brett Favre won one Super Bowl title and Dan Marino didn't win any but both are considered to be among the great quarterbacks. The more I watch NFL the more I appreciate how pivotal a good offensive line and defensive line can be on a team's success. Sure a quarterback can be greatly influential on a team, but the game really is won at the line of scrimmage. Eli was fortunate to have a great D-Line and O-Line in both his Super Bowl runs and Brady had an exceptional defense between 2001 and 2004.

2014-11-19T01:58:16+00:00

Chop

Roar Guru


When you're talking elite QB's, I think you have forgotten Aaron Rogers....Luck might get to elite level one day but Rogers is in a different stratosphere.

2014-11-18T23:16:41+00:00

mushi

Guest


So you would go back in time and trade Peyton for Eli straight up if you were the colts and expect to win two superbowls?

2014-11-18T20:53:21+00:00

Mickyt

Guest


While Peyton has most of the scoring records, baby brother Eli has one more Super Bowl ring than him! Brady has 3 rings from 5 appearances to the Super Bowl. Stats mean little if they are not converted into titles even in the good ole US of A.

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