Nice guys finish last: Why Mundine loves the hate

By Rik J / Roar Rookie

Some 15 years ago, Australia’s mainstream sporting community baulked incredulously as Anthony Mundine turned his back on a successful rugby league career to become a professional boxer.

Since then, he’s had two reigns as WBA super middleweight champion, participated in some of the biggest boxing events Australia has ever seen, and become the most polarising figure in Australian sports bar no one.

All of this without an amateur campaign, and all under the most intense scrutiny from fans and media alike.

Your average punter won’t have much sympathy for Mundine in that respect. They’ll tell you he brought the scrutiny upon himself with his irksome, disrespectful antics, which often served only to overshadow his achievements in the ring.

And they’d be right. Anthony Mundine is brash, cocky and loud of mouth. The quintessential example of a tall poppy.

Whether they be positive or negative (the majority leaning toward the latter) opinions on ‘The Man’ are rife, and passionate in nature. Why can’t he let his fists do the talking? Why can’t he be more respectful to his opponents?

Why can’t he shut up?

Boxing, by its very nature, is an unconscionably cruel sport. It’s not that its competitors risk their health, they openly destroy it for our entertainment. If they don’t put up a good showing, history teaches us that they’re likely be sneered at and referred to as a ‘bum’ or a ‘tomato can’.

And what do they get in return for being compared to a canned food preserve? The big bucks, of course.

Not necessarily.

In most sports, the prize money is pre-determined in relation with the competition or title they win. In tennis, for example, the same prize money is doled out to the winner of the US Open, whoever it may be, and regardless of their level of popularity.

In other sports such as football or basketball, in which individual athletes are paid on a sliding scale considering ability and marketability both, one can at least say that talent speaks for itself; the player who can put the ball in the back of the onion bag, or stuffs the stat sheet with points, assists and rebounds, will be recognised and, in turn, find themselves with a plethora of opportunities.

Sadly, boxing can make neither of these claims. A fighter winning a title unification bout may be paid less than a fighter in a title elimination bout. And a fighter who can deliver a boxing masterclass may not necessarily be invited to the big dance. Rather, history is littered with examples of fighters who found their opportunities reduced by their own skill.

So what is the missing ingredient? Bums on seats.

Skill, in all its forms, is not marketable. Being able to produce a stunning knockout, or a sustained, 12-round exhibition of technical brilliance, means near nought if you lack the box-office pull to entice a champion to risk his belt. In many cases, the onus is on the fighters themselves to say, or do, whatever they need to in order to generate the public interest to make a fight happen.

This is certainly not a new phenomenon. Self-promotion has been a necessity in the fight game since ‘Two Ton’ Tony Galento, a colourful character with a 76-23-5 record, taunted then world-heavyweight champion Joe Louis by declaring he’d “moida da bum” ahead of their 1939 title fight.

Years later, Muhammad Ali would take the art of self-promotion to unprecedented levels. His provocative antics and larger-than-life media persona reached far beyond the scope of the sporting arena into the realm of popular culture, drawing the admiration, and intense ire, of the world.

But, at its essence, one could at least say Ali’s schtick was as only as inflammatory as it was jestful. He laced his barbs with a healthy dose of natural charisma, concocting amusing rhymes and working press-conferences for laughs like a stand-up comic.

Adversely, today’s shrewd, self-promoting fighters seem to have dropped the charisma from the routine altogether, finding the pure vitriol of the masses to be the most potent marketing tool of all.

In 2014 Floyd ‘Money’ Mayweather was once again named Forbes Magazine’s highest paid athlete, which is a remarkable achievement considering he competes in a sport many consider to be floundering against the ever increasing popularity of MMA. It’s more than an interesting coincidence that he’s also consistently placed in at least the top 10 of countless most-hated athletes lists since the beginning of the decade.

Whereas an athlete in any other sport might try to limit such negative press, Mayweather wallows in his terrible public image. He’s established himself as the undisputed king of pay-per-view despite coming across as the kind of guy who’d probably complain about the McDonald’s drive-through lane being too narrow to accommodate his Bugatti Veyron. Or his other Bugatti Veyron. Or his Lamborghini Aventador. You get the idea.

Furthermore, most critics malign his fighting style as boring. As is the case with most fighters who move up in weight classes, his knockout power has dwindled. So rather than producing the kind of crushing knockouts that he was so well known for in his early career, he’s reverted to a safety-first style that garners wide margins on the scorecards, but a cacophony of snores from the viewing public.

So why do so many people pay so much money to watch him fight?

The kind of figures Floyd Mayweather Jr generates when he fights are not representative of boxing fans. Mayweather is smart enough to know that the real money lies in engaging the peripheral sports fans. And the peripheral fans aren’t watching for the excitement of a good, clean fight. They’re watching on the chance that someone might finally shut him up and teach him some humility.

Sound familiar?

This is all well and good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we don’t appreciate the quiet achievers. But appreciation and actual support are two very different things.

Robbie Peden was a decorated amateur boxer who represented Australia in the Commonwealth and Olympic Games. Born in Queensland, he fought the majority of his professional career in the United States. His record boasts names such as Juan Manuel Marquez, who dispatched Manny Pacquaio to the canvas not too long ago, and Marco Antonio Barrera, a three-division champ with victories over Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed and Kevin Kelley. But Peden’s most enduring performances are his two fights with Nate Campbell.

Their first encounter took place on American soil in 2004. In the fifth round of a typically action-packed affair, Campbell doubled Peden over with a vicious body shot that delivered such blunt force trauma it made people in the back row wince. Visibly hurt, Peden responded the only way he knew how; by punching his way out, and in an ensuing exchange, caught Campbell with a glancing left hook. Unfazed by the blow, and perhaps deceived by Peden’s modest knockout percentage, Campbell dropped his hands about his waist and deliberately left his head unprotected. Not one to engage in foolish games, Peden promptly ended the fight by planting a crushing left on Campbell’s beckoning chin. Campbell met the canvas, and would not rise to beat the count.

The following year, Campbell got his rematch on Australian soil, for a piece of the super featherweight title. This time, Peden eventually won by referee stoppage in the eighth, leading on all three scorecards. Robbie Peden was a world champion.

A humble, tenacious fighter who brought home the big prize. All the desired qualities to be one of our most beloved sporting personalities.

Drop his name in front of your casual fan, and you might be left to ponder a blank stare and at least a moment of complete silence.

Having been inducted into the Australian boxing hall of fame three years past, Robbie Peden certainly not an unsung hero. He is known and respected by boxing fans the world over. But compared to the recognition we afford footy players, cricketers, and boxers we apparently hate, Peden toiled in relative anonymity in his own country.

Social media trends are by no means a decisive yardstick by which to judge an athletes popularity, but they can be telling. To give you some idea, Danny Green’s Facebook fan page has about 508,400 likes at time of writing. Anthony Mundine’s has about 64,750. The ‘Anthony Mundine is a moron‘ page has over 830. The closest thing Robbie Peden has to a fan page, containing only a wikipedia synopsis of his career, has 87.

Once again, these numbers are not intended to make any conclusive statements. But when the difference between popularity and notoriety is expressed so concisely in the disparity between Green and Mundine’s social media fan-bases, Peden’s paltry following would imply that he has neither.

The examples don’t stop there.

While contesting the WBA world lightweight championship in late 2010, Michael Katsidis put Juan Manuel Marquez on the canvas in the third round with a counter left-hook so picturesque it made highlight reels all over the world. Despite Katsidis’ best efforts, Marquez showed why he is a first-ballot hall of fame candidate, winning the fight via a tough ninth-round stoppage. In the post-fight interview, Marquez told HBO’s Larry Merchant (by way of a translator) that he expected such a challenge from Katsidis and praised him as a “valiant” opponent.

With the endorsement of a ring legend behind him and a knockdown that would live on for generations, Katsidis deserved no less than a hero’s welcome.

Yet any praise or attention he may have received from his home country was eclipsed a mere fortnight later by the media saturation of Garth Wood’s knockout of Anthony Mundine – a victory in a fight that was essentially meaningless and held no substantial stake in terms of titles or world rankings.

In the closing weeks of 2010, any Australian who even pretended to care about boxing with a straight face should have been talking about Michael Katsidis. Instead Wood was the toast of the sporting town, sitting atop the mountain of hostility that we, as a sporting nation, have for Anthony Mundine.

If that isn’t market power, nothing is.

Some would tell you that they only ever watch his fights to watch him lose. But the pay-per-view buys, sports wagers, ringside tickets and schooners at your local care not a whit as to why they were bought. And all the jeers, barbs and hatred people have lobbed at Anthony Mundine over the years have turned into money mid-flight and landed in his pockets.

So where does that leave us? Should we be ignoring him?

Probably not. You’d be doing yourself a disservice to ignore the kind of characters who make the fight game so unique. Plus, we all remember what happened at school when the teacher asked you not to encourage the attention-seeking kid in the class; his behaviour just got twice as annoying.

Despite how he may come across, Anthony Mundine is not a villain. Nor is Floyd Mayweather. They are merely astute at playing the villain’s game. And those who follow the sweet science have seen it all before.

In a sport where the competitors ratio of risk to reward can be so abysmally lop-sided, one could be forgiven for considering such theatrics a necessary evil. But if a little obnoxious self-promotion turns your stomach, don’t spend all your time and energy hating the culprit. Try to divert some of your attention to the quiet achievers out there.

In boxing, more so than other sports, money talks. And at the moment, it’s the self-styled bad guys who laugh all the way to the bank.

The Crowd Says:

2015-02-05T03:31:51+00:00

big J

Guest


I agree with this article and excellent piece of writing. Mundine and Mayweather know that people will pay good money to see them (especially mundine) get their teeth knockout in a fight rather than see thier opponent win. Like an election, how many times have you heard someone say "I do care you wins as long as the lot in power get booted out of office". Same with boxing and most sports, the pubilc wants to see the Villian go down rather than see the Hero win. The only real hero the Aussie boxing has had recently is Danny Green and he is now retired. Having said that if not for Mundine fighters like Green, Geale and Soiloman would not be a wide know as they are now . Aussie Boxing needs a Mundine and someone to take his place when is finally retires. Sonny Bill might be that man. Also I hope mundine gets his fight against mayweather and they back the MCG to the rafters.

2015-01-28T07:00:49+00:00

sonya

Guest


Mundine is not world class. He is not knocking out anybody. Peden beat a unified champion. I can't find a victory comparable on Mundines resume to that of Peden/Campbell. Mundine was knocked out by Ottke and Woods. Won titles and fought absolutely nobodies. There is nothing special about Mundines resume at all. Katsidis > Peden > Mundine

AUTHOR

2015-01-28T03:26:11+00:00

Rik J

Roar Rookie


Mayweather has arguably been the best for over a decade, yet back then he made less money by quantities numbering in tens of millions. His fights were more exciting then too, with 24 of his 26 knockouts coming pre 2006, over competition no less fierce. Of course there are plenty more reasons why he's the highest earning sportsman in the world, but that's a different discussion. It's a pity we're only just touching on the NRL career now. The issue of the carry-over fame Mundine brought with him from the NRL is a much more interesting topic than splitting hairs over annual rankings from ten years ago. There's also an interesting talking point in why Mundine thought he had to play the villain, given the level of fame he already had. I relate it to the point you made about how many of our boxers have fought abroad to so little attention back home. When Anthony Mundine slammed Jeff Fenech in the press, saying he won his titles fighting Thai cab drivers, I didn't think it was a genuine reflection of his personality. As with all his theatrics, I took it with a grain of salt. But, being a live attendee at Aussie stadium the day he fought Danny Green, the thousands of people booing when his name was announced did not. Granted the boos are heard amid cheers, but note that in the second paragraph of my article, I describe Mundine as a polarising figure, not a hated one. For what it's worth, I was supporting Mundine that night. Also, I noticed that you wouldn't acknowledge Nate Campbell as an undisputed champ despite being unified and holding super champion status. Fair enough. Given the mess of red tape that is boxing these days, some have eased up on their definition of what it is to be undisputed (in reference to Wlad Klitshcko for example). I, however, am a staunch traditionalist. If a fighter doesn't hold all the major belts, he is not undisputed. Because I am a staunch traditionalist, I flat-out refuse to recognise the IBO as a legitimate world title. In fact, I'm still loath to even acknowledge the WBO. So while Anthony Mundine's victory over Geale is very impressive, especially given the stage of his career, I consider it redundant to mention the IBO belt. I could probably bang out another 2000 words right now just on the topic of sanctioning bodies and politics within the sport, but I don't wanna bore you to tears. All the best.

2015-01-27T06:12:23+00:00

tim

Guest


I thought you may have meant that, but Junior Kangaroos representation doesn't draw much attention outside the hardcore league community. Rightly or wrongly, Mundine believed (believes?) his talents weren't getting due recognition, which contributed to his move to boxing. On a side note, wouldn't it be something if the Dragons could get him for the 9's!

2015-01-26T09:49:18+00:00

casey

Guest


Yes he won those 3 belts from just one win , an upset split decision, which was a great effort, but one swallow does not a summer make. He gave up the WBA belt to avoid the mandatory, and lost the other two belts on the scales when he failed to make weight for his next fight. He never entered the ring with a world title belt.

2015-01-26T09:38:50+00:00

casey

Guest


He represented Australia in 1993 in the Australian schoolboys team and then again in 1994 in the junior Kangaroos U/19 team, he's worn the green and gold plenty of times my friend.

2015-01-26T04:22:04+00:00

macca

Guest


guys amateur background or not i think you will agree this dude is extremely naturally talented you cannot teach what he has got he obviously got it from his dad but hes done great with where he came from but still no where near mayweather i think we all no if he went to the states and fought the best after he humiliated green i think he could have had half a chance of succeeding but we will never no as he is past it well an truely if clottey pumped him id hate to see what the other guys would do to him

2015-01-26T03:14:50+00:00

tim

Guest


Mundine never represented Australia. That's one of the reasons he left league.

2015-01-25T11:32:45+00:00

sonya

Guest


you're right it was not undisputed but unified, i thought Pac had WBO and he had WBC(Pac has had his WBO title for a long time). Having beating a fighter who goes on to win titles IBF,WBA and WBO is much more of a accomplishment then anything on Mundine resume. Peden and Katsidis took on the best and lost. Same happened to Mundine. Except the names on Kat and Peden have more weight then Mundines. Ottke fought bums in Germany and was protected and Kessler..good fighter but no JMM.

2015-01-25T09:49:36+00:00

casey

Guest


Campbell was never undisputed champ, he beat a declining Juan Diaz in a close split decision to take his IBF, WBA and WBO belts. That makes him unified champ not undisputed, Pacquio held the WBC belt and Marquez the Ring belt. Campbell promptly lost all his belts. For the record Campbell is still fighting regularly and ranked 115 by boxrec, Diaz is just 31 and in his prime he is ranked 76. Beating Nate Campbell is no big deal he would be an early round knockout for Mundine.

2015-01-25T07:41:31+00:00

casey

Guest


C'mon David we both know the answer, why aren't you writing it. Mundine was a high profile Rugby League player, he represented Australia 1993 and 94, played state of origin, won a premiership and was the highest paid player in the worlds premier competition for years. You can't judge him as just a boxer, he's also a former successful high profile Rugby League player. He quit at just age 24 to become a boxer, went on to win 2 WBA titles and beat our own Daniel Geale for the IBO middleweight belt. He won the Australian title in just his 5th fight and has beaten every Australian boxer he has fought. These are phenomenal achievements. Australia's had plenty of cross over sportsmen but no one has come close to Mundine. This is why he has a following, he is unique, sure the villian thing has a role but true sports fans can see through that and appreciate history in the making. Besides he's an indigenous man who played for St. George, so to many he was already 90% villian, so the transition was easy. Look at the coverage Gallen and SBW get when they box. Unfortunately the Aussie media has a history of ignoring our boxers, it's not just Peden and Katsidis. Nadar Hamden, Jamie Pittman, Rick Thornberry and Shannan Taylor (twice) have all travelled o/s to fight for world titles without even a ripple from the press. BTW I use ring ratings 1. they are the only ones I can find and 2. they give an unbiased comparison, there's nothing sinister. It's not the ratings that are deceiving it's predicting the future. It doesn't matter how good you are in 5 years time, or 5 years ago, it's how good you are on the night. Echols was ranked 3, Campbell was outside the top ten. When you're good , people will watch you, look at Floyd he's boring as, but everyone wants to watch because he's the best. Anyway good talking to you I'm tappin out.

2015-01-24T21:34:43+00:00

nerval

Guest


I've seen that on Wikipedia too. I'll admit it's 4 more than I thought - but I'd like a few more details on what preceded them and what came after. 4 in isolation? If that constitutes an amateur "career" then fine - but his junior/amateur football career was rather more extensive and serious wasn't it? He has both beaten and lost to Geale on points - not bad for one whose professional "career" was as a footballer, not a boxer. Surely you can see that, can't you?

2015-01-24T20:40:49+00:00

J

Guest


How about his 4 amateur fights when he was 17

2015-01-24T20:22:38+00:00

Gangsta

Guest


Woman Go back and do the rest of the dishes.

AUTHOR

2015-01-24T17:21:59+00:00

Rik J

Roar Rookie


First of all, my post absolutely does not imply that Mundine does not deserve the high profile he has. This article was intended as a commentary on self-promotion in the fight game, of which Anthony Mundine has proven himself a master. It makes sense that Mundine's name and image would feature in the title. I used Peden and Katsidis to highlight a glaring inconsistency in the logic of some of Mundine's haters. There have always been people who were quick to judge his antics, and claim they'd be a fan of his if he shut his mouth and got on with it. The fact that the achievements of Peden and Katsidis can virtually slip under the national radar would say otherwise. And I have not, in any way, attempted to downplay Mundine's achievements. I believe quiet achievers do deserve more recognition on the strength of their own merits, not that they deserve more recognition than Anthony Mundine on general principle. Secondly, no, of course you're not personally trying to influence people with rankings from The Ring, but you cited them as a reason why Mundine has enjoyed greater recognition among Aussie sports fans. I'm of the belief that most sports fans aren't familiar with The Ring's annual rankings. If you meant to cite them more as a general indication that Mundine was an accomplished fighter, you needn't have bothered. If you didn't want me to interpret it that way, you shouldn't have written it that way, end of. Thirdly, while everything you posted was factually correct, it doesn't make sense to use these things retrospectively as a reason why Mundine's career has received broad coverage and national interest since day one. People didn't tune in to watch him fight Timo Masua and Gerard Zohs because he would go on to have dual world title reigns and show amazing longevity in his career. They had no way of knowing. Leading into his fight with Echols, Mundine's face emblazoned the covers of sports pages in the major newspapers, despite the fact that he hadn't won a title yet. I am aware of Echols' placement in The Ring's rankings, but the directions Echols' and Campbell's careers took demonstrates the point that rankings can be deceiving. Fourth, no the world wasn't crying out for Peden vs Barrera, but nor were they crying out for Mundine vs Ottke or Kessler. And yet both of the latter got extensive national attention, Mundine vs Ottke saw pubs around the country open their doors at 4am. Mundine was a prohibitive underdog in both of those fights just as Peden was against Barrera, but Peden was facing an ATG in a unification bout. Given that you're affording a lot of credit to average sports fans in terms of world rankings and titles, why do you think Mundine's unsuccessful title bids garnered so much more local interest than Peden's unsuccessful unification bid, if Mundine's infamy played no part? Lastly, call it whatever you want. Playing the villain. Hype. Trash talk. Whatever name you give it, showing hostility and disrespect to an opponent has been one of the most enduring and reliable forms of promotion in all forms of the fight game for decades. In some cases, fighters will talk it up before the fight, and backpedal once the the final bell is rung and the pennies have been counted. In his early career, Mayweather (in what may have been a watershed moment with how he marketed himself) recanted his words against Diego Corrales after their fight was over telling him “What I said was only hype to sell some tickets”. In UFC 124, after Georges St Pierre had systematically destroyed him over 5 brutal rounds, Josh Koscheck admitted to having used trash talk solely to boost the promotion. Some fighters will use this tactic sporadically to sell certain fights, others will basically adopt these loathsome traits full time as a deliberately concocted media persona. I haven't presented this in a negative light, or presented it as the only way a fighter can gain a following. But I believe the results speak for themselves.

2015-01-24T11:16:20+00:00

nerval

Guest


I know who his father is, J but, in turn, you point me in the direction of The Man's junior and amateur boxing career... You can't, can you? There isn't one. A footballer who beat and then lost on points to Geale should be lauded. Anything else would be churlish in the extreme.

2015-01-24T10:27:53+00:00

casey

Guest


David your article implies that Mundine doesn't deserve the notoriety and high profile he enjoys and that quiet achievers like Peden and Katsidis deserve more recognition, yet you use Mundines name in the title and his picture is the only image. Don't you see you're part of the problem exploiting the Mundine name and image to promote your story. Maybe if you put in a picture of Peden and Katsidis the casual fan will be more likely to recognise them.

2015-01-24T08:59:06+00:00

sonya

Guest


Green,Soliman,Geale,Tomlinson,Dib and Mundine are/were all seen as easy marks for the title. All of them excluding Geale,who was just couple years from his prime when he arguably lost, have no significant wins on their resume. Mundine has ducked mandatory Trout and GGG. Clottey and Mosley were only given the fight because they were assumed washed up and Clottey battered him. He was knocked out by very light punching Ottke. Fought to survive against Kessler. Soliman won a title from a very past it Sturm and lost it against a fighter who was considered to way over the hill in Taylor. Green fought absolutely nobody. Tarver was considered washed up and he gave Green a boxing lesson. Was battered by Włodarczyk who had attempted suicide and only woken up from a coma months earlier. Geale absolutely won the rematch quite easy. Peden and Katsidis can hold their head high and say they fought the best out there. And you criticize Pedens victory over Nate Campbell. Campbell, he went on to be the UNDISPUTED lightweight champion. That victory alone is greater than Mundines whole career. Hilarious when you said "If you go outside Australia"..he is unknown. Sold like 6 tickets for his fight vs Bronco McKart. Mundine loves people like you.

2015-01-24T07:49:19+00:00

casey

Guest


David I used Ring because it's the only historical rankings I can find and I know Ring is universally respected, offers it's own recognised world title belt and has very strict criteria that makes it's rankings more accurate than those of the individual boxing bodies. I'm not trying to influence anyone with an expensive niche magazine it's simply the only source available. I chose top 5 because it's common, I could have chose top 3, Mundine has 4 years top 3, Katsidis just one, or top 8 which would give Mundine a 7th year and still exclude Peden. Yes I know he had 2 years ranked 9 and Campbell had a year ranked 10, three years before losing to Peden. BTW Echols 6 years Rings top 5 another year ranked 6. Yes Campbell went on to win belts at lightweight and make Rings top 5 for one year, which makes Pedens win even better. Mundine beat Green, Geale and Soliman 3 times, those 3 went on to win 6 world titles after losing to Mundine. You're giving credit to Peden for being relevant enough to fight Marquez and Barrera. Boxing history is full of mismatches. Marquez was up and coming, yet to win a belt and fighting mediocre opponents, anyone could have got that fight. The boxing world wasn't crying out for Barrera#1 vs Peden#9, I'm sure the fans would rather see Pacquio or Morales vs Barrera. He got the Barrera fight because he had the IBF belt and he was an easy mark for a unification bout, which turned out to be true. He didn't just come up short, he didn't win a round. The only thing he was relevant enough for was to fight for the vacant IBF belt against a guy outside the top 10.(a bit like Billy Dib v Lacierva they were ranked 12 and 18 on boxrec when they fought for the vacant IBF belt) If people are paying $50 to see Mundine knocked out, they're crazy, you can watch the full knockout on fox sports 10 minutes after the fight and on youtube the next day. Maybe they're closet fans. 53 fights only 2 KO's that's over $1300 a KO. If you want to talk up Katsidis and Peden I'm all for that, by why do it at the expense of Mundine. Cheap tactic.

2015-01-24T07:42:58+00:00

sonya

Guest


Thanks for that laugh. Mundine is after Mayweather for the payday but he's a no name in the states, literally unknown. He's had multiple chances to make a name by fighting Austin Trout and GGG as their mandatory but never showed up to the purse bid because he would be spanked.

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