Taylor's tactics stifling young Tigers, boring fans

By Alex Tricolas / Roar Rookie

A few weeks ago during a televised Channel Nine game, Phil Gould was banging on about the talent of the young Wests Tigers playmakers and about how they should be allowed to play their natural game. I’m sure he wasn’t talking to the viewers, but to Jason Taylor.

Love him or hate him, Gould knows his stuff, and he knows Taylor is suffocating the life out of these kids with this boring brand of footy. The football the Tigers are playing is one-up, boring, uninspiring stuff.

It’s not fooling opposition defences who just have to square up, make five tackles and then catch a mid-field bomb, and it’s boring the pants off the fans that pay money to be entertained.

The last quarter of the game on Saturday night, when the Tigers were desperate, they threw caution to the wind and almost pulled off a comeback. But it wasn’t enough. They had wasted most of the game playing the snooze-fest footy that has got them into this mess over the last six weeks.

It is a nothin’ doing strategy that now sees 2015 looking like another wasted season that will no doubt be spun by those responsible into a ‘rebuilding’ year.

For the Tigers, there were two highlights. One was the debut of promising youngster Manaia Cherrington, and the other was the sight of Chris Lawrence having a blinder at second row and breaking his try drought with two of the Tigers’ touchdowns. How coaching staff had not realised sooner that second row was the logical step for Lawrence is a mystery.

Over the last few years Tigertown has been busy tearing itself apart from the inside, and fans have bayed for the blood of everyone from the CEO to the ball-boys. As a fan, I’ve never called for a coach’s head. Not Tim Sheens, not Mick Potter. But this time, I feel that the appointment of JT was the wrong one.

Maybe they should have gone with Todd Payten. Certainly it was no secret that he wanted the job. He knew these kids. He got the best out of them, and they won everything under him.

Not only that, they did it with the flair and excitement that Wests Tigers fans go nuts for. As Jack Gibson once said, winning starts at the front office. It seems the front office may have got it wrong again.

The Crowd Says:

2015-11-11T08:29:11+00:00

curaeus

Guest


I agree that Taylor is not the coach WT need. Not sure whether he can coach at all but he seems to have become a divisive influence and most likely at least part of the reason for Taupau leaving. That said, we seem to be stuck with him, at least part way into the new season when, if we are still losing games and languishing around the bottom of the competition table, he will be punted for sure. Hopefully a good replacement like Cleary will be available to take over. The handling of Robbie Farah's situation is amateurish and disgraceful. You have to assume Taylor had a lot to do with that.

2015-11-11T07:21:58+00:00

Balmain Boy

Guest


Jason Taylor has gone into the Tigers with a pre conceived, ill advised perception of what is and what isn't. I am a long term Tigers supporter, Balmain and Weststigers. I was born at Balmain, my dad was a teacher at Balmain public school. We moved to Ermington later, where I learnt to play with the Balmain training school, Ermington Rydalmere ( now defunct). My Grand dad lived a short distance from Lidcombe oval ( home of the original Western Suburbs). I have travelled many miles with my family to watch either the Balmian, Tigers or the Weststigers play, win lose or draw. When it was announced that Taylor would be coach, I viewed with interest, despite his previous failings and lack of redeeming features, I would give him a chance. After 12 months I wish he was gone. He is systemic of the absolute incompetence and dysfunction of the board. I will not be renewing my membership to the club, nor will I be going to any games. Until he is gone. His treatment of Robbie Farah and other players is nothing short of a disgrace. A player who has played all his junior footy, come up through the ranks to be the Captain, State rep and Vice Captain and Australian rep, deserves to be treated better. Look at the clubs that have attacked their Captains in similar vein, they are flops. Luke Lewis at Penrith and David Campese at Canberra for example. Weststigers should be doing a lot better, they need to weed out the underminers from the Wests side who have systematically whinged and undermined adnorsium, to have Benji Marshall, Tim Sheens removed etc, Taylor showed at Souths he cannot coach, he is reinforcing that view here, he is showing he is nothing more than a bitter twisted jealous tiny little man! While he remains the Tigers have no future. We should cut our losses and cut him away.

2015-06-08T15:53:42+00:00

Jim the Rooster

Guest


Phil Gould is certainly someone who can build a club into a powerhouse in the NRL . Gould also did say that give these guys a few years and when they have played 100-130 first grade games then they will be contenders. Last year all of Tigertown was ready to lynch Mick Potter because he was not getting results. Potter did not have the support of the board and was there because of the over inflated salary Sheen's was still getting paid for years of underachievement. Taylor knows his stuff and he is grafting a style that will get the Tigers back uo into unfamiliar territory around the summit of the NRL ladder . Look at the Dragons , a much weaker roster on paper from the last few years and a much improved performance , Why you ask? Mary MacRegor is a coach that players want to play for, The attitude each player takes on-the field is the difference, Benji was lazy and uninspired at the Tigers and that is partly Sheen's fault. Attitude is what makes players better than the rest , Tigers young guns are coping with the side effect of being young superstars who during their younger days did not face a loss very often. Learning to lose is the beginning of the road to victory. Hang in there Tiger Town after all Laurie Nichols did see one premiership in 69 but he never wavered in the belief the next was not far away

2015-06-08T10:09:40+00:00

Bruce

Guest


Thats it Mick, it's all just basic stuff. The most I've heard about Taylor is he's got the boys eating properly. Fair dinkum - eating 'properly' now wins you games of RL - my mum's got a lot to answer for!!! We've sacked two good coaches in the last few years so I reckon the bean counters will stick with this hairdo on a toothpick - sad as it is. Maybe Keef can take him on a post season drink with the boys - worked once before.

2015-06-08T09:30:20+00:00

Gus Paella

Guest


"Wests have the players to win the comp" C'mon Parra that's crazy talk.

2015-06-08T07:02:11+00:00

mick tiger

Guest


The game agaonst the Titans says it all. We play against an average team, and in the first half, we can't hold the ball, complete our sets etc, and we can't tackle either. Second half shows we can.score, but, even when we are winning in the last 10 or 20 mins, We can't tackle, and we can't hold the ball. So back to basics, if we learn how to tackle and not drop the pill, then our scoring will shine.

2015-06-08T06:17:15+00:00

curaeus

Guest


I reckon we all have a fair idea who's behind some or all of these dumb moves; not forgetting also the rank stupidity of letting Marika Korobiete, a noted try scorer, bugger off to the Storm when we had him under contract. Pure genius!

2015-06-08T05:42:21+00:00

Bruce

Guest


The Tigers management made a lot of mistakes last year. Who decided to bring in that plodder Brian Smith mid year to do an evaluation of the coaching structure? I can't think of a better way to undermine a coach - if you're going to do it wait until the end of season. Robbie Farah is a great player but he has now taken over the Benji Marshall prima donna role and helped undermine Mick Potter - someone should have told him to pull his head in. Who was the genius that decided to let Blake Austin go??? He's now carving them up for the Raiders and is an outside chance to make the origin side. Mitchel Moses isn't a first grade player - not yet anyway. It's too much to carry two defensive liabilities in him and Brooks on either side of the ruck. We should still have Austin - better option in attack and a bigger body in defence. Who decided to appoint Jason Taylor coach? The blokes got nothing - at least Potter honed his skills for years in the Pommy Super League and seemed like a decent hard working bloke who wasn't afraid to rein in the big egos. All told a cluster of poor management decisions that will take years to rectify.

2015-06-08T05:41:41+00:00

Parra

Guest


It's rare that teams win once in a decade so not winning a premiership since 2005 is normal and not I think a reflection of the style of footy they play. They like most teams will likely win again soon and I firmly believe it's be playing expansive attacking footy with structured defence. The new mode of thought creeping into the game is that be attacking with flare and second phase play it tires the opposition defence and makes attack easier. This allows teams like manly to beat the Bulldogs with large forward packs etc. with a reduction in interchange to 6 teams like manly and Brisbane will excel. Bennet like Taylor started coaching a new team however unlike Wests Brisbane is on top of the ladder. Why not Wests? As a coach I don't think he's has the gravitas of Bennett. I also think he's not up to the job. Clearly he's making excuses for his teams performance much like Ricky Stuart does when losing. Where to go from here?

2015-06-08T05:29:20+00:00

Jamieson Murphy

Roar Guru


The Tiger's razzle dazzle footy hasn't got them results in years. In fact, razzle dazzle footy is nowhere nearly effective as the boring defensive "grind them out" type of play that we are see in most teams. I would love Taylor to ease up on his game plan a bit, and find a good balance between measured, mistake free footy, and letting his talented young players do what comes naturally to them.

2015-06-08T05:28:24+00:00

Parra

Guest


Sick of hearing about rebuilding. Wests have the players to win the comp. the coach now needs to get the best out of them. Simple as that. There are no excuses.

2015-06-08T04:59:59+00:00

curaeus

Guest


There's more chance of Sheens returning as coach than of Taylor abandoning his grand plan

2015-06-08T03:39:53+00:00

Leslie Ilias

Guest


WT style of play atm is too structured and boring. Can the coach revert back to how they use to play under TS and MP?

2015-06-07T15:15:34+00:00

pat malone

Guest


i cant believe people think the Tigers are an attacking side, that was 2005 and Benji is long gone

2015-06-07T14:48:58+00:00

langerthebronco

Guest


BHunt coming off the bench was a blessing in disguise. Playing in the middle helped his D very much. Now I think he's up there with Cronk Pearce and Hodkinson. I think they should have done the same with brooks when they had anasta,Austin,and marshall

2015-06-07T11:48:20+00:00

Mark Young

Roar Guru


Interestingly enough RMC, the 2005 premiership was also won on Defence, mind you overshadowed by a magnificent attack. If you look at all the stats, trys conceded, points conceded, missed tackles, etc etc for the Tigers, 2005 stands head and shoulders as the year they played staunch defence. It is just that we remember the razzle dazzle more then the goal line stands. Just goes to reinforce your message, the modern game is all about defence.

2015-06-07T10:59:37+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


That was just a case of the young players running out of legs I think, a lot of guys really just starting their first grade careers don't quite have the stamina to keep making strong enough tackles to stop first grade quality players, even David Klemmer who was utterly dominant physically in U20s (at 18, let alone at 19) took a couple of years to adjust to the top grade.

2015-06-07T10:16:22+00:00

Parra

Guest


I disagree, against the Bulldogs earlier in the season the Tigers were up by 20 playing some creative attacking footy only to lose due to poor defence. The team is ready just requires better defence. Not sure Taylor is the right coach?

2015-06-07T07:06:36+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


A big part of the defence problem for the Tigers is all the injuries to centres; Simona, Nofoaluma, and Moltzen are all sidelined at the moment and their replacements are not really first grade ready yet. As for the halves.. time and patience is the only solution for them, both have big potential and could be superb in a few years if they can learn to balance their structured and unstructured play better -- the club must suffer through some growing pains to get there.

2015-06-07T06:13:13+00:00

Chivasdude

Guest


As a long time Tigers fan I too am disappointed at the team's lack of consistency. While the players have to take responsibility, the Administration and Coaching are major factors. Look at all the issues. Partnership disunity, financial pressures, home ground problems, player power, poor recruiting, coaching instability, etc. Sheens stayed too long. Potter was let go too early. Taylor is a cultural risk...but at least he is trying to have the team play within a more discliplined pattern. We need better defensive structure as we are too loose, wasteful and naive. This change will take time, but as things stand, we will give the a Wooden Spoon a shoe no with the quality of players. That is unacceptable. We were seduced by the potential of the youngsters. In retrospect, Moses is not ready for 1st grade yet and Brooks needs a steadying presence next to him. Playing both at the same time just exposes the defense too much. And their kicking is pretty poor. They need to kick to contests more and not just aimless up and unders. We could use Blake Austin now, but he would not improve the defense. That is down to attitude and we don't seem it have it now... I just don't know where all this ends...

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