Rugby's Hunger Games avoided by better scheduling

By Edward Pye / Roar Guru

World Rugby CEO and Australian Brett Gosper wants England to go through, Australian George Smith thinks Fiji will, while Welshman Lee Byrne has doubts about Wales going through at all.

But as the World Cup draws tantalisingly close, a stark reality is starting to hit home. For the poor denizens of Pool A, or the ‘Pool of Death’, the maths is a sobering thought, four into two does not go.

Two of Australia, Wales, Fiji or hosts England are going to be in for an embarrassing exit.

Some may say it is their own fault for the sins of their past, but really, the scheduling of the pool draw is at fault. Gosper himself came out recently and admitted that the pool allocation scheduling “did seem a long way out” and that the timing was under review, adding: “You want it to be a true reflection of the position at the time of the tournament.”

But this is not what we will have for this tournament and Gosper’s words will be of little comfort to the four teams in Pool A who find themselves with different states of pressure and momentum.

As the lowest ranked team, Fiji will feel the least pressure and this will also make them the most dangerous. They are currently ninth in the world and have been the cause of several early exits for higher ranked teams, notably Wales in 2007. However this was the last time Fiji beat one of the other Pool A teams and they will be expected to be one of the exiting teams.

As many people’s European favourites, Wales’ departure would be gut-wrenching. They were a team that fancied themselves as finalists in the last World Cup before a tragic red card struck them down. They have an exciting team, but have a really poor record against the other three competing teams, so they might find themselves struggling.

For England, a ferocious media dismantling will come if they don’t advance. As the host nation, they will rely on every piece of hyped-up and fervent support they can get out of their home crowd. The home advantage and the media narrative will raise them to places some of the team have never been. But if they lose, the descent will be equally as voracious. An early exit will be the dawn of the rugby apocalypse in the land of hope and glory.

For Australia, an early exit would erase any forward progress they thought they may have made under Michael Cheika and would consign rugby further down the list of sports that don’t meet the Australian public’s high standard of success.

The implications are dramatic for all of the teams and as we get closer the fishbowl gets smaller. But how did four teams in the top nine in the World Rugby rankings get put in the same lopsided pool?

The easy answer is time. The draw for the 2015 pools was done on December 3, 2012 – almost three years ago when the rugby landscape was a completely different one.

Back in the days of 2012, Australia was second, England was fifth, Wales, despite winning the 2012 Six Nations, languished back in ninth place while Fiji were only 14th.

Australia had beaten Wales in seven of their last eight encounters, wildly successful Super coach Robbie Deans was at the helm, Israel Folau was on the way and a Lion series was imminent. It was exciting times for Wallaby fans.

England fans, too, could be bullish. They had won the 2011 Six Nations, come second in 2012 and had easily accounted for the All Blacks at Twickenham. Owen Farrell looked like a younger, tougher Johnny Wilkinson and they had a forward pack to do the job.

But oh what a difference 995 days can make.

England would come close to winning more Six Nations’ trophies, but would crumble under the pressure of the final game, while Australia would go through one of the most turbulent periods of any team in history, losing a Lions series, several Rugby Championships, their first game to Argentina and two coaches – one to a very public and messy scandal. They would drop as low as sixth on the rankings.

Wales would go on to win the Six Nations again in 2013, thrashing England 30-3 in the process, and would quickly climb the world rankings to sixth. Fiji would also find some success, going on to record two second place finishes and two first place finishes in the very competitive Pacific Nations Cup.

Fast forward to today and Australia have regained some ground moving back to third while England remain in fifth, however Fiji and Wales have moved up a total of nine places in the rankings which is why Pool A suddenly toppled over on its head.

The whole situation adds to the drama of the tournament, but it’s not really fair on those teams because it is not a reflection of the modern rugby landscape. However, the solution is simple; just move the pool allocation closer to the time of the World Cup.

Having done some research, here is what the pools would have looked like if they were done on the same date in 2013 and 2014 as well as today in 2015. The simulations are based on the same random sequence from 2012.

If you’re not familiar with the pool allocation draw, the top 12 teams are put into bands of four based on their ranking at the time and are then randomly selected from each band. The final eight places go to teams that top their respective qualifying groups – Oceania, Asia, Americas, Europe and Africa.

Interestingly, had the draw been done in 2013 we would have seen the 46th ranked Cook Islanders in the mix for the first time as the number one Oceania challenger, while if the draw had been done in 2014 we would have seen 21st ranked South Korea as the number one Asian qualifier. Italy would have only just scraped in as the number two European qualifier.

2013 Pool allocation
Pool A: Australia, France, Scotland, Cook Islands, Romania
Pool B: South Africa, Ireland, Tonga, Japan, US
Pool C: New Zealand, Samoa, Fiji, Italy, Namibia
Pool D: England, Wales, Argentina, Canada, Georgia

2014 Pool allocation
Pool A: Ireland, Australia, Argentina, Tonga, Romania
Pool B: South Africa, France, Fiji, South Korea, Canada
Pool C: New Zealand, Scotland, Japan, Italy, Namibia
Pool D: England, Wales, Samoa, US, Georgia

2015 Pool allocation
Pool A: Australia, England, Fiji, Cook Islands, Romania
Pool B: Ireland, France, Samoa, Japan, Canada
Pool C: New Zealand, Argentina, Tonga, Georgia, Namibia
Pool D: South Africa, Wales, Scotland, US, Italy

So which year do you think has the most dramatic pool of death?

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2015-08-28T06:54:16+00:00

Edward Pye

Roar Guru


Yeah but that's the thing - the only pressure on the ABs is win-loss. If the ABs lose, rugby will still be number 1 in NZ, but if the Wallabies lose then rugby drops down totem pole, they lose funding, air time, exposure, fans and then younger players - if the Wallabies do poorly then their whole structure suffers.

2015-08-28T04:53:56+00:00

Sam

Guest


sorry, 5 - 8 & 9 - 12...

2015-08-28T04:52:47+00:00

Sam

Guest


Pure luck. The way the pools are drawn, it could of just as easily been the AB's with England & Wales. The top 4 ranked teams are planted in separate pools, & then 4 - 8 ranked are drawn randomly, & 8 - 12 drawn randomly. England were in that 4 - 8 at the time, & Wales in the 8 - 12. Both teams could of ended up in any pool.

2015-08-28T04:45:50+00:00

Sam

Guest


Not in Rugby mate, not a chance. Any loss for the AB's is deemed highly unacceptable by the NZ public, even if we've had a great year & won all the trophies on offer. Let alone a loss in a world cup tournament...

2015-08-28T01:06:39+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


Yeah they're the plain and modest Kardashian in the show, poor things. Thanks Michael, I was wondering who would be my second team - GO THE LOS TEROS!!

2015-08-28T00:21:28+00:00

Michael

Guest


Everybody is so focused on England, Australia, Wales and Fiji. Poor Uruguay. Gotta feel for them.

2015-08-27T23:07:43+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


Nicely put, all of that, Lemmo.

AUTHOR

2015-08-27T23:03:20+00:00

Edward Pye

Roar Guru


Yeah I agree with you on the excitement factor Lemmo, but from a ratings POV, it is going to be a disaster if England get knocked out early. It was interesting that England initially proposed a 2 tier world cup. I think the structure was going to be the top 15 and the bottom 15 playing in separate comps with 2 winners. It was soundly rejected but it may have been far more exciting.

2015-08-27T23:00:40+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


Rhino, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you meant "clear as water" :) OK, so in this instance maybe 1 and 2 are clear, but we are talking hypotheticals here, that is, how do we design the best seeding system for the future RWCs. It is just as likely that it won't be clear in 4 years time who are the top 2 sides and in what order (for eg look at the NRL ladder at the moment). My point is ultimately let's not get hung up on getting it perfectly right because that is near impossible. There will almost inevitably be a "pool of death" in any pool-based tournament and whichever countries are in it need to suck it up and move on.

AUTHOR

2015-08-27T22:59:36+00:00

Edward Pye

Roar Guru


As Chinmay pointed out before, I made some mistakes in my hypothetical models so apologies for that.

AUTHOR

2015-08-27T22:56:23+00:00

Edward Pye

Roar Guru


Totally agree Rhino - a fully seeded tournament would be much fairer

AUTHOR

2015-08-27T22:55:36+00:00

Edward Pye

Roar Guru


I totally agree OB - in fact the Wallabys may even have more public pressure than the ABs because of the standards there.

2015-08-27T13:10:10+00:00

Lemmo

Guest


Personally, I have no problem with the status quo on two counts. Firstly, how exciting is this pool going to be? There's no other pool with so many must-watch games. Early weeks of tournaments are often a bit of a tease. Yes we're excited to watch the World Cup but how exciting is NZ v Romania really? This year, thanks to the Pool of Death, its nail biting stuff from the beginning. Sure, it sucks for the teams that miss out but if you're not in the top two of a pool of five you have no claims to the big boys' end of the tournament. Secondly, I've long been concerned about the World Cup's primacy in the international calendar. Test rugby should ALWAYS be important. The fact that teams have to be good even when the WC is not imminent is wonderful for test rugby. Obviously the WC is the biggest stage and the pinnacle of the game. However, do we really want the two years following every WC to be devoted to reloading for the next one? International teams should always aspire to rank as highly as they can. I hate the idea of meaningless "friendlies" with no value in the result. Club and domestic competitions are for developing teams. For me, watching how the Pool of Death unfolds is one of the things I'm most looking forward to at this WC. Sadly, I can't see Fiji progressing but I'd love to see them shake things up. Regardless, I have absolutely no confidence in any prediction I could make for this group. And that's just how it should be. -- Comment from The Roar's iPhone app.

2015-08-27T12:27:56+00:00

Charging Rhino

Roar Guru


I dunno I think the rankings are fairly accurate. Seeing as though the Boks dominated every other team besides the All Blacks from 2012 to mid 2014, it's as clear as mud who number 2 was for most of the past 4 years and the rankings clearly reflected that. Besides the ABs, they only lost to Australia once in 2012 and once in the final minute in 2014. Maybe everyone else forgets number 2's record though? Tennis is similar imo, as is soccer and most other sports. Usually the higher ranking team/player wins.

2015-08-27T06:29:20+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


But's that's the whole point of seeding, Yogi. The ABs have consistently and clearly been a better side that the WBs for quite some time. It would be quite unfair if the ABs got the tougher draw.

2015-08-27T06:23:16+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


I agree that the fairest draw would have the 2 best teams on course to meet only in the final. But how often do the rugby nation rankings at any one point in time not indicate the true form of the teams? Often, I reckon. Sports like tennis are quite different in that there is a lot of information upon which the rankings can be based, as the players play many different opponents and play very regularly. Accordingly if A beats B and B beats C then it is probably correct to rank A above C because, as it implies, it is likely that A would beat C. But that doesn't hold true in sports where teams don't play many opponents and don't play regularly. Accordingly the rankings are based on relatively little information and a lot of assumptions and extrapolations have to be made. It is not unusual in international rugby for A to beat B and B to beat C and C to beat A. Who then are nos. 1, 2 and 3? I don't think anyone disputes the All Blacks have been no.1 for the last few years but there would be plenty of argument about how the next 4 rankings are filled. Having the draw based on rankings closer to the event is preferable, but still doesn't guarantee you don't get a "pool of death".

2015-08-27T05:44:42+00:00

richard

Guest


Seriously,Yogi,what are you whinging about.If you top your pool,you get a carpet ride to the final.As a kiwi,I would love to see NZ in the so-called 'pool of death."

2015-08-27T05:31:27+00:00

Ralph

Roar Guru


Something to do with the models they use to create these draws I suspect Yogi.

2015-08-27T05:25:52+00:00

Old Bugger

Guest


Yeah quite right. Ireland & Wales were defeated in their pool, Scotland in the QF and England in the SF.

2015-08-27T05:21:35+00:00

Yogi

Guest


Interesting that in real life and in 3 hypotheticals Australia always end up in a tough pool and NZ always end up in an easy pool.

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