St Kilda are under pressure to find a winning combination of draft picks if they are to land wantaway Essendon tall Jake Carlisle after Hawthorn launched a stunning play for the in-demand defender.
With deals for other senior figures stalled or being negotiated in the shadows, the battle for Carlisle between the AFL’s behemoth and pygmy clubs kept all the trade attention on Friday.
On Thursday, the Bombers said they were dealing only with the premiers after Hawthorn suggested they would be willing to part with two low first-round draft picks for Carlisle.
Hawthorn made good on their offer on Friday morning, trading Jed Anderson to North Melbourne with an exchange of picks that gave them pick No.15, which they will offer along with pick No.18.
The Saints responded, saying the 24-year-old only wanted to play for Alan Richardson’s side.
St Kilda’s chief operating officer Ameet Bains said the club had tabled an offer to the Bombers which they believed was agreeable.
“I’ve spent much of the day with Jake Carlisle’s manager and can absolutely confirm that Jake’s sole focus remains playing for the Saints in 2016,” Bains said.
“We have Jake and his management’s support for our proposal which we all believe is fair and reasonable and would achieve a satisfactory outcome for all involved.”
That proposal – which sends the coveted pick No.5 to Essendon and asks for Carlisle and two second-round picks in reply – was reportedly dismissed by the Bombers.
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson piled the pressure on the Saints earlier in the day when he unveiled his international rules squad, saying he was ready to pounce if St Kilda couldn’t satisfy the Bombers’ demands for Carlisle.
“We probably fully expect that deal is going to go through (between) St Kilda and Essendon at some point in time but if it doesn’t, we’ve indicated our interest in securing Jake if the terms are right,” Clarkson said.
“We emerged as a player in that when St Kilda couldn’t come to the party in terms of satisfying Essendon with the deal.”
Anderson, 21, moves to Arden Street along with draft picks No.38 and No.40 in exchange for North’s first and third round options.
North Melbourne’s list manager Cameron Joyce said the club was happy to secure his signature, given the wide interest in the young midfielder.
“We know that there was plenty of interest in Jed and are delighted he sees his future in North Melbourne colours. We can’t wait to see him in action this pre-season and beyond,” Joyce said.
In other trades on Friday, GWS lost defender Curtly Hampton to Adelaide and midfielder Jacob Townsend to Richmond but secured free agent Dawson Simpson from Geelong.
Aransan
Guest
Of course Bird has to sign off on it as well.
Aransan
Guest
Latest news: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-20/carlisle-deal-close-as-swans-mid-ponders-fresh-start-at-dons Presumably this deal will be done so long as the AFL are happy with it.
Aransan
Guest
I couldn't get that link to work. Google "AFL Draft Value Index".
Aransan
Guest
Jake, the best way to analyse the value of draft picks is to use the "AFL Draft Value Index": http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf Hawthorn have offered pick 15 (1112 points) and pick 18 (985) with a return of Essendon's pick 41 (412), or a net 1685 points, this is between pick 6 (1751) and pick 7 (1644). Picks 23 (815) and 25 (756) equate to 1571 points which is very close to pick 8 (1551). Thus St. Kilda's offer was equivalent to giving Essendon pick 5 for Carlisle plus pick 8 which must be obvious to everyone except St. Kilda as being ridiculous. For Essendon to offer pick 25 as a sweetener in return for pick 5 would only be a net 1122 points, or the equivalent of pick 15 so this is obviously not a goer. Someone has to put a stop to this defacto free agent nonsense that is creeping in when a player's contract expires and I would prefer to see Essendon let Carlisle walk than do a silly deal. Hawthorn's offer is close to the mark.
Jake
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He might not be worth a direct swap for pick 5 but hes worth close to it. The Saints offering pick 5 in return for Carlisle, pick 23 and pick 25 is an absolute joke!! Especially when there is already an offer of two first round draft picks on the table. I hope for all involved he ends up at Stkilda and I think in return for pick 5 Stkilda will have to settle for Carlisle and a late 2nd round pick which essendon will probably get from West Coast in return for Giles and essendons 3rd round pick. If Essendon dont get that pick from Westcoast I think they may have to offer up pick 25 as a sweetener. The only other way I think this deal can get done is if Stkilda manage to get hold of Ports pick 10 and use it as a straight swap for Carlisle which I think would be a fair trade. Anything less and I think Essendon should let him walk into the PSD and watch him sook it up somewhere else.
Aransan
Guest
Alex, if we had universal free agency once contracts end, and in addition we had the salary cap in place then the consequence would be an inflation of payments for the top players and a squeeze on for everyone else. Why not start universal free agency from the beginning, why have a draft -- let the players reach agreements with the club of their choice from the very beginning. Restraint of trade is accepted within the AFL, firstly with the initial draft, then the "contracts" that players agree to where they are bound to their club until they become restricted or unrestricted free agents, and finally with the salary cap for equalisation and to protect some clubs from themselves. St. Kilda don't exactly have a glorious past as far as that last point is concerned, I can remember the late Alan Jeans being a victim and I think Barry Breen might have been another one. Your initial comment about the way contracts work was silly in an AFL context.
Alex L
Roar Rookie
Hell of a logical leap to suggest eliminating the salary cap there Aransan, but I see no issue with universal free agency when contracts end. The best managed clubs with the best development programs gain an advantage in that environment, and I see no reason not to encourage that.
Aransan
Guest
So when one of your players comes out of contract it is OK for their agent to shop them around for top dollar and just expect your club to cop it. Why not have universal free agency and eliminate the salary cap at the same time?
Alex L
Roar Rookie
That's how contracts generally work..
Aransan
Guest
I would prefer to get nothing than do a bad deal. This is rubbish that an out of contract player can decide on the club that they will go to. How would you feel if one of your players left your club for the team of their choice just because they were out of contract?
David
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And Essendon get nothing. St K do not have to match Hawthorns offer, they have some leverage as well. Essendon pretty much have to do a deal with St K.
David
Guest
That future pick will probably be in the 14-16 range. Pick 5 will get a pretty good young talent, I wouldn't be trading it. Carlton should be talking to Carlisle to make sure they can table him an offer better than Hawthorn.
Aransan
Guest
Bulldust and emotion are not going to determine what Carlisle is worth now. The Hawks have got something between pick 6 and 7 on the table, the Saints have to beat that if they want him. Otherwise Carlisle can choose Hawthorn or go into the pre-season draft where one of Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast will likely take him before St. Kilda.
Alex L
Roar Rookie
The Bombers think Carlise is worth a first round pick.. as for why, I'm not sure at all. Though Geelong did just offload a first round future pick for Henderson who is of similar ability.
master chef
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Good on the Saints. They seem to be one step ahead of Essendon in calling their bluff. They should keep pick 5 & Carlisle can go where he likes. Bit of a down hill skier in my book & not worth pick 5. Bombers have inflated/magical views on all their players come the trading season, bit rich from a team at the arse end of the table
Aransan
Guest
Graham, you are obviously a lot smarter than the Hawks who have put an offer on the table which is worth the equivalent of a pick between 6 and 7. Goddard was a restricted free agent and St. Kilda decided not to match Essendon's offer. Carlisle is not a free agent in any sense and can only choose his club with the agreement of Essendon. He stands a good chance of slipping into the pre-season draft where he will be unlikely to finish up with St. Kilda but his manager will do just as well regardless of whether he finishes up at St. Kilda or is taken by another club in the draft. I agree that clubs are not adequately compensated under free agency and would like to see that rectified but that is another issue. What we don't want to see is players and managers corrupting the pre-season draft draft by implying that they are only interested in one club. At some stage the AFL is going to have to suspend a player on this matter.
Graham Smith
Roar Guru
Adrian Dodoro should remember when Brendon Goddard crossed to Essendon, it cost them nothing and the Saints got a measly pick13 for compensation. After all Goddard was a no1 draft pick. Carlisle is worth around pick 15 not 5.
Gyfox
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Do we need any more reasons to hate Essendon?