Ron Dennis' Red Bull Racing fear

By Michael Lamonato / Expert

“I don’t think crisis is too strong a word now for the situation Honda find themselves in,” Sky Sports commentator Martin Brundle was moved to say just one lap into the Mexican Grand Prix.

“It looks like it is going from bad to worse.”

Oh the travails of McLaren-Honda. From the lofty expectations of victory while nestled in the safety of 2014 to the cold and friendless reality of life in 2015, the Formula One season has become an eternal siege on the credibility of two highly regarded engineering businesses.

The year has yielded just 27 points spread across six points-scoring finishes and 13 DNFs, including two failures to start. Performance has been poor, but reliability has been poorer – and it was Fernando Alonso’s first-lap retirement in Mexico City that prompted Brundle’s blunt assessment of the partnership that once dominated the sport.

It was somewhat surprising, with all that considered, that Formula One’s most volatile team, Red Bull Racing, was making tentative steps towards negotiating for a supply of Honda engines next season.

Red Bull, it mustn’t be forgotten, is without an engine supply contract for a season that begins in little more than three months, because it found Renault’s performance to be an unacceptable match for its high standards.

That it finds itself at Honda’s door is amusing, to say the least – but perhaps fractionally less so than returning to Renault, cap in hand.

Underwriting the approach, though – and the reason McLaren has been able to submerge its dissatisfaction with the “crisis” for the most part – is the widely held belief, whether planted by Honda’s decades-old success in the sport or not, that the Japanese firm will get it right eventually.

“We cannot discuss details at this moment, but we have been approached by a team and the discussions are ongoing,” said Honda motorsport chief Yasuhisa Arai.

“Nothing has been decided. I have always said this season that we are always open [to supplying other teams].”

Indeed, Bernie Ecclestone explained during the week that in exchange for supplying only McLaren this year, he had obliged Honda to supply two teams in its second year and three in its third to break up the two-tone silver-and-red engine landscape dominating the grid.

If Honda’s power units were successful, teams would be naturally interested, and if they were not, Honda would surely be willing to double and later triple its collectable engine data to speed up the development process.

So it is that two Formula One powerhouses find themselves competing for the same theoretical power unit – but with Red Bull having cut itself as a controversial figure over its brief history in the sport and with McLaren being driven by Ron Dennis, himself no stranger to controversy, sparks were always likely.

Unknown to all bar McLaren – and maybe even Honda, given Arai’s apparent willingness to entertain negotiations – Dennis, upon leading Honda back to Formula One, had negotiated himself a veto over any Honda power unit supply deal.

On the surface the decision is a mere question of competition. As Dennis’ second in command, racing director Eric Boullier, said in Mexico, “Clearly there is an issue at Red Bull, which was created by Red Bull and not by anybody else.

“We are not a charity foundation, so we are not here to help.”

Moreover, there is a feeling of ownership driving the denial. McLaren worked hard to return Honda to Formula One and rekindle the old magic of the McLaren-Honda brand, and it wants to claim that narrative for itself.

But there is a third, more devastating, motivator for Dennis’ mobilisation: imagine if Red Bull Racing were to take a supply of Honda engines and win.

Not only would such a thing prove immensely embarrassing considering McLaren’s toil this season, but in one fell swoop it would totally undermine McLaren’s entire purpose for racing in the current regulatory framework.

You can only be truly successful in a works relationship? Shown to be a sham. McLaren is building top-line chassis that are being let down only by a flawed power unit? Completely debunked.

Worst of all, how would McLaren answer to the charge that it had taken Honda’s engines for free and had Honda pay for its driver salaries, among other transactions, only to be shown up as squandering it all when a mere customer team beats the sum of all those parts on track? It would be an unmitigated disaster for one of the sport’s proudest teams – and for Ron Dennis, whose Formula One end would surely be brought about by such competitive catastrophe.

All of this remains hypothetical for the time being, of course – with the Honda engine underperforming so woefully, it’s difficult to assess exactly where the chassis sits, and it turn how efficiently the team overall if performing.

But for the man behind the team it’s hard not to be gripped by fear at the thought that such a merciless deconstruction could be a simple signature away.

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The Crowd Says:

2015-11-06T02:27:06+00:00

Not convinced

Guest


Well, looks like it's been sorted then. Red Bull will build their own engines for 2016! Based on the most recent spec of the Renault power unit. They apparently had to clear issues around intellectual property.

2015-11-05T01:17:48+00:00

Gearsau

Guest


I think Mr. Mateschitz has been drinking too much of his product. On the " Real Red Bull" that is sold in Thailand and Cambodia, there is a warning " No more than two (2) bottles per day.

AUTHOR

2015-11-05T01:10:13+00:00

Michael Lamonato

Expert


In some respects the Honda philosophy is an excellent match for Newey's, which is pretty much "keep out of my way" —but it seems as if Red Bull hasn't learnt anything from this Renault affair. Dietrich Mateschitz just this week took a dig at Honda, saying a Honda engine would be even worse than a Renault, after berating Renault one or two sentences earlier. He really could do with a PR adviser.

2015-11-04T20:39:49+00:00

Trent Price

Roar Guru


Should Red Bull go down this route it will be interesting to see if Adrian Newey starts to show a bit of compromise with engine-packaging given the tight-packaging of the Honda power unit. Have Red Bull learnt their lesson? It's hard to imagine them turning over new leaf after months of berating Renault.

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2015-11-03T11:42:11+00:00

Michael Lamonato

Expert


Yeah, in 2015 there's no argument about this, but who's to say in 2016? Red Bull is obviously building better chassis than McLaren, so even accounting for the difference between customer and works power unit usage, I would expect RBR on current form to beat McLaren if both had Honda engines. Just considering that Peter Prodromou, ex-RBR, is the focus of McLaren's project implies that, at very least for the time being, as the chassis transitions from the deeply ineffective early 2010s philosophy to this new one it will be a step behind Red Bull. Having such an underperforming power unit would level overall performance to some degree, but I think Red Bull would definitely end up ahead of McLaren.

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2015-11-03T11:38:07+00:00

Michael Lamonato

Expert


Definitely, which is why Formula One needs to work on a way to make the sport more attractive to manufacturers. Its fortunes took a massive hit with the VW scandal, but creating some stability, as Jean Todt alluded to doing, in the power unit rules would be a massive step. If Honda can get its act together ASAP, that too would prove that it can be done with only small levels of embarrassment.

AUTHOR

2015-11-03T11:36:21+00:00

Michael Lamonato

Expert


Thanks for the comments, mate! It's a small shame that Red Bull's success has ironically played against it, but then it's difficult to feel sorry for it when, on balance, it wasn't really a gracious winner — so when the likes of Ferrari, Mercedes, and now Honda turn it down, you can kind of see why. As for this being McLaren's Williams moment, I agree that's a genuine risk. The good thing is that McLaren's more cashed up than Williams was as it took its dive, but then just as success breed success, failure breeds failure. The massive drop in sponsorship revenue and soon prize money will be felt — Eric Boullier admitted as much — and who knows how much strain that will put on the team if Honda doesn't deliver the goods sooner rather than later... And as for Mexico — agreed! It's was unbelievably refreshing to see a "new" race on the calendar that has more than just government support. I'd love it if F1 could do more of this, rather than the middle-of-nowhere vanity circuits the sport currently seems to be seeking. Fingers crossed.

2015-11-03T07:57:38+00:00

Renell

Guest


This is folly. Red Bull would not be in a better position than Mclaren with Honda engines. It's fact that where the engine has proven to be reliable, and where it is not as relied upon i.e. Monaco and Hungary, Mclaren have scored points. No amount of Adrian Newey genius and Ricciardo honey badgery could mask the fact that Honda have thus far failed to create a PU that harvests enough energy to keep up with the Mercedes, Ferrari and even Renault powered cars on long straights. This may not be the case next season, but there's no mincing of words for their performance in 2015.

2015-11-03T06:31:24+00:00

Gearsau

Guest


The problem is, that the current F1 engines are so expensive, that , to design and manufacture them, is beyond the means of independent engine manufacturers.

2015-11-03T04:56:37+00:00

spruce moose

Guest


I think a pinch of both the chassis and the engine. No way will a factory be giving the top of the line engine to a non factory team. Look at Ferrari's performance this year and their supplier teams Toro Rosso and Sauber. Sauber weren't even given the best engine a couple of races ago when they upgraded. Personally I'd kick out manufacturer teams from F1, and leave it to constructors with independent engine suppliers.

2015-11-03T04:40:13+00:00

Mark Young

Roar Guru


Me again. Last year McLaren had the same engine as Mercedes and was soundly beaten. Was it poorer drivers, a weaker chassis, or a lower spec engine. I tend to think it was the chassis, so understandable they wouldn'twant the same engine in a slippery Newey rocket. Besides, they have done all the hard with bringing Honda back in and if the are spoils to be shared, they deserve to not share them.

2015-11-02T22:50:27+00:00

Mark Young

Roar Guru


"Bernie Ecclestone explained during the week that in exchange for supplying only McLaren this year, he had obliged Honda to supply two teams in its second year and three in its third to break up the two-tone silver-and-red engine landscape dominating the grid." I had no idea about this! I bet they had planned to stick it in the back of the Manor!

2015-11-02T22:47:32+00:00

Mark Young

Roar Guru


I am going to keep commenting on this.... This is the Williams 2006 moment for McLaren. If this partnership fails, it is going to be incredibly difficult for them to get back to the top flight any time soon. I dearly hope that they do, only because the idea of Hamilton, Ricciardo, Vettel and Alonso duelling in four different cars with the four different engines is a dream scenario!

2015-11-02T21:43:44+00:00

Mark Young

Roar Guru


Great stuff Michael. Well done, I have nothing to add since you have captured all of my thoughts. I will say this, how much of a delightful surprise was Mexico as a venue! It shouldn't have come as a shock but the crowd, track and whole event was a real treat.

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