Raymond Moore's comments were sexist and moronic - but is he wrong?

By Linus Fernandes / Roar Rookie

In 2014 Shamil Tarpsichev, the President of the Russian Tennis Federation, set the blogosphere afire with his ill-advised comments about the Williams sisters’ gender on national television.

This time Raymond Moore, the Indian Wells tournament director, put his foot into his mouth when he remarked thusly:

“You know, in my next life, when I come back, I want to be someone in the WTA [Women’s Tennis Association] because they ride on the coattails of the men. They don’t make any decisions, and they are lucky. They are very, very lucky. If I was a lady player, I’d go down every night on my knees and thank God that Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal were born because they have carried this sport. They really have.”

The South African, a former tennis player who helped establish the joint ATP-WTA tourney, compounded his folly further by speculating on the future of women’s tennis without Maria Sharapova.

He named Garbiñe Muguruza and Eugenie Bouchard as being both “physically attractive and competitively attractive”, saying they “can assume the mantle of leadership once Serena decides to stop.”

Moore later apologised, but not before a flurry of rejoinders and calls for his resignation from players, commentators and fans alike.

While these are the sort of comments that one can expect from arm-chair fans in the comfort of their homes, or even spectators in sports bars after the influence of a few drinks, it’s not becoming from the CEO of the tournament. He risks alienating women players and their fans.

Serena Williams responded, “I don’t think any woman should be down on their knees thanking anybody like that. I think Venus, myself, a number of players – if I could tell you every day how many people say they don’t watch tennis unless they’re watching myself or my sister – I couldn’t even bring up that number. So I don’t think that is a very accurate statement.

“I think there is a lot of women out there who are very exciting to watch. I think there are a lot of men out there who are exciting to watch. I think it definitely goes both ways.

“There’s only one way to interpret that. ‘Get on your knees,’ which is offensive enough, and ‘thank a man’? We, as women, have come a long way. We shouldn’t have to drop to our knees at any point.”

Novak Djokovic, however, was his incorrigible self, saying, “I think that our men’s tennis world, ATP world, should fight for more because the stats are showing that we have much more spectators on the men’s tennis matches. I think that’s one of the, you know, reasons why maybe we should get awarded more.

“Women should fight for what they think they deserve and we should fight for what we think we deserve. I think as long as it’s like that and there is data and stats available and information, upon who attracts more attention, spectators, who sells more tickets and stuff like that, in relation to that it has to be fairly distributed.

“Knowing what they have to go through with their bodies – and their bodies are much different than men’s bodies – they have to go through a lot of different things that we don’t have to go through. You know, the hormones and different stuff – we don’t need to go into details. Ladies know what I’m talking about. Really, great admiration and respect for them to be able to fight on such a high level.”

Moore may have apologised, and the brouhaha over his remarks will probably die down in a week or so, but the gender divide persists.

There exists parity in earnings between men and women at the Grand Slams and other joint tournaments like Indian Wells. Scoffers and sceptics may enquire whether women shouldn’t play five sets as well at the Slams.

Also, as Djokovic points out, shouldn’t there be attempts to make the women’s game more interesting to the spectators? How many fans can testify to finding women’s matches as evenly matched as men’s?

Also, at the risk of sounding sexist, why shouldn’t the attractiveness of women players be a reason for drawing fans in? The modern men’s game has no real personalities.

Without one of the Big Four – Federer, Nadal, Djokovic or Murray – it’s difficult to market a tourney to fans.

Is there no shred of truth in Moore’s remarks , misogynistic as they seem?

The Crowd Says:

2016-03-27T11:02:05+00:00

Liam O'Neill

Guest


How much fiercer would the men's tennis be in a grand-slam, if they only had to play a best of three sets.

2016-03-24T02:17:41+00:00

anon

Guest


Gael Monfils is one of the most 'cut' players on tour. Also, they're are 'African-American' players in the ATP and all have the prototypical tennis player build.

2016-03-23T23:28:18+00:00

James

Guest


I think it should be a case-by-case basis for sure. There is no world in which women's cricket for example should be paid and treated like men's cricket. To even compare them is absurd, regardless of skill, the popularity is chalk and cheese If we paid everyone based on skills, I would imagine firefighters, chefs, and competitive archers would be paid as well as doctors

2016-03-23T10:18:19+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Guest


Body issues ought not to figure in this discussion. Serena's African-American and that's how they are built. That is irrelevant to this discussion.

2016-03-23T09:59:02+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Guest


The template might then be that women set up separate player associations in every sport and campaign for increased prize money extending it to organizing separate tournaments for themselves.

2016-03-23T09:54:22+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Guest


I agree with you completely that Moore's remarks were in bad taste and he's paid the ultimate price. Besides, I feel it's up to tournament directors to decide with the player's bodies whether men and women players should play three or five sets. And they are the ones who are bound to take care of the organising and scheduling. The players' don't set the rules in isolation and it's time we looked at other sports to see whether women play fewer games than men and why. Not all sports pay women equal prize money, take cricket for instance, and tennis is blessed in that respect , no thanks to all the hard work put in by the WTA.

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T07:18:45+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


Hingis has it right when she says that in her heyday, women's tennis was much more competitive. But at the same time, that's hardly Serena's fault!

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T07:16:33+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


I think it's not a question of whether woman can play five sets or not. If women can run marathons, they can surely play five sets. Who's going to watch them play five sets, though? If the level of tennis is high, sure, but five sets of error-strewn play whether its a men's or woman's game, is a downer.

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T07:13:23+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


Accountability for these kind of remarks differs from country to country. Tarpsichev continues , while Moore is forced to resign.

2016-03-23T06:06:44+00:00

Pete

Guest


I've also heard the other reason why women cant play 5 sets in grand slams is so called physical endurance issues with stamina and that they cant fit all the matches in the prescribed tournament dates. Its easy to solve that problem make the grand slams start earlier and reduce some of the less popular lower status tournaments. Women should get 3/5 of what men get if they want so called equal pay.

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T05:09:05+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


When I say 'indefensible', I mean there was no way Ray Moore could get away with them without an apology.

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T05:04:43+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


The men playing just three sets at the Slams would leave the spectators feeling short-changed. Reducing Grand Slams to three sets for men would establish a new era, much like the Open Era did.

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T05:01:34+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


No further comment.

2016-03-23T04:33:11+00:00

mike j

Guest


Actually, the straw man argument is to draw attention away from the merit of the comments by arbitrarily characterising them as 'offensive'. Personally, I find it offensive when people think they should receive the same pay as someone else because of what's between their legs rather than what they contribute. If 'every woman on the planet' is offended by the proposition that they be judged on merit rather than gender, it doesn't say much about women. Maybe after another half century of feminism it will finally sink in.

2016-03-23T04:08:58+00:00

mike j

Guest


I don't think you know what 'indefensible' means.

2016-03-23T04:07:03+00:00

mike j

Guest


No, the real victims are the non-whites who move to white countries to complain about white privilege.

2016-03-23T03:43:07+00:00

clipper

Guest


Raymond Moore's comments were indeed silly, but the way to solve the equal pay is have the men play 3 sets in all tournaments, might increase the chances of someone like Federer at 34 of winning a slam.

2016-03-23T01:48:11+00:00

James

Guest


I'm with you. I am all for equal pay...for equal work. Why does it make sense to pay someone for playing less tennis?? Here are some stats for you: 2006 Wimbelon - Roger Federer had to play 202 games on his way to taking the title, whereas Amélie Mauresmo took the women's crown in just 142 yet she was paid only 5% less than Federer (£625,000 to his £655,000). That's equivalent to £4,401 per game instead of £3,094 per game, and the disparity might have been greater if Federer had dropped more than a single set on his way to the title. The longest men's final in the same period (Jimmy Connors's epic win over John McEnroe in 1982) lasted 254 minutes, while the longest women's final (Venus Williams's upset of Lindsey Davenport in 2005) lasted 165 minutes. So technically the women are actually being paid MORE than the men.........I don't think that is an unfair way to look at the situation? I have no opinion on the popularity of the men's vs women's games - i do find the men's games more entertaining but only because of the people involved, not the quality of the tennis, if you get waht i mean? Though i suppose that sort of meshes with what the tournament director said. If he hadn't (like an IDIOT) made that quip about "get on their knees". What a dumb ass

AUTHOR

2016-03-23T01:37:07+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


Let's get this straight. Raymond Moore's comments were indefensible. Period. End of story.

AUTHOR

2016-03-22T14:42:41+00:00

Linus Fernandes

Roar Rookie


http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2016-03-22/22322.php Ray Moore Steps Down As Indian Wells CEO And Tournament Director

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