Messi exit for Lionel, but there's no denying he's an all-time great

By John Duerden / Expert

June 2016 has been a crazy month of sport and will not be quickly forgotten for off the pitch events either.

But despite the buzzwords of Iceland, Brexit, the Wallabies Whitewash and all the rest, there has been the reappearance of a familiar old chestnut as to whether Leo Messi can be seen as the best football player ever, or one of them, without success on an international stage.

One theory goes that as he has not managed to do what Diego Maradona and Pele did, the two players generally held to be the best two ever, then you can’t assert that Messi is the best ever – or as good as those two other legends of South America.

Times and television habits have changed, but think of Maradona and you likely picture him in the blue and white of his home country, leading Argentina to the 1986 World Cup. Think of Pele and it is probably him leading Brazil at the 1970 tournament.

But Messi is always going to be remembered in the shirt of Barcelona. That is understandable. After all, watching Pele and Maradona in action for their clubs was almost impossible if you did not actually go to the stadium or live in the countries where they earned a wage.

The many millions of Messi fans around the world can watch every single game he plays for his club – games in the league, cup and in Europe. That is a lot of action. Outside of the major tournaments, the Copa America and the World Cup, that usually come every two years, most don’t watch Argentina play.

Messi has been in four finals with Argentina and been on the losing side in all of them. It is not a surprise then that he called it an international day after the penalty shootout defeat, in which he missed his attempt, at the hands of Chile in the Copa America final at the weekend.

Perhaps he will rethink his decision when he returns to Spain – or perhaps not.

Was Maradona better than Messi? I think he was, but then I am blinded a little by the 1986 World Cup when he was just magnificent. That is how I will remember him, as an amazing player.

Messi will never have that, unless he goes to Russia.

But as above, it was hard to see Maradona outside the World Cups. He was a legend with Barcelona and then Napoli but seeing him week in, week out was tricky. You remember the good times.

It’s harder for Messi. He has to maintain levels of consistency to satisfy a global audience of his global standing that Maradona or Pele never did.

People who watch Argentina more than I do claim that Messi is more consistent for the national team than Maradona was, just he didn’t reach the 1986 heights – though I saw the Barcelona star at the 2010 World Cup and thought he was very good. Does that make him less of a player?

Messi must be eligible for the best player in history tag without winning the World Cup. If he is not then there is an obvious problem that only players who are born in countries capable of becoming champions.

While appearing in the latter stages on the global stage surely helps, you can’t exclude players from the discussion just because they were born in countries with little chance of ever coming close to winning the ultimate prize such as Estonia, East Timor and England.

The future best player in history may be a child in Bhutan or Bangladesh.

Messi has done enough with Argentina and especially year-upon-year with Barcelona to be part of the debate. After that, it comes down to personal preference.

The Crowd Says:

2016-06-30T23:15:39+00:00

albatross

Roar Pro


#Mesxit #Argxit?

2016-06-30T01:25:11+00:00

Brian

Guest


Its astounding that with all the millions of dollars and psychologists around no one ever told him to avoid making rash emotionally driven decisions in the heat of the moment. I hope he comes back for 2018 as it would be sad for football for him to put the easy money at Barcelona ahead of his national team. The obvious comparison is Ronaldo who turns up at every opportunity for a much less talented national team, often when he is half fit and unlike Argentina they aren't the replacements to get through the group stage without him.

2016-06-30T01:03:41+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Messi's career is a failure at international level, he's no Pele/or Maradonna or Zidane let's get real here.

2016-06-29T22:52:36+00:00

AVictory

Guest


I think it's pretty weak to quit on your national team at age 29. Heartbreak of losing finals? Politics of Argentina Football Association? It doesn't matter, you stick by your country. How could the greatest player of all time be so mentally fragile?

2016-06-29T21:55:41+00:00

AZ_RBB

Guest


Refuse to buy into this. He's way too young to quit Argentina. It reeks of politics and infighting. This team will go into 2018 as again one of the favourites. In saying that Messi can never kick a ball again and he will be the best player I have ever seen. That despite being a "Ronaldo fan" in the context of the never minding social media battles between Ronaldo fans and Messi fans.

2016-06-29T21:44:35+00:00

AR

Guest


Without World Cup glory, Messi will never have that vaunted place in history that Pele and Maradona do. Unfair perhaps, but that's how I think history will see him - a small rung below those 2. It takes a special heroic performance, on the biggest stage, when it matters most, to secure that place. Sadly for Messi it looks not to be.

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