Why England's next manager can't possibly be English

The highest paid coach of the Euros 16 was the biggest failure... Perhaps England should sign a part time dentist, like Iceland did.... Would save England almost 5 million Euros too...

I can guarantee it’ll be Allardyce – because I’m a Sunderland fan, and with a fair bit of optimism having been around the place, this is just how the universe works!

Apaway - The biggest problem in English Premier League is a "prob;em" we'd all love to have and it is the amount of money floating around the organisation.This money enables the top clubs to participate in the bidding for those who are regarded as "the best" and there are countless examples of how this is not always a guarantee of success in fact too many for me to start and itemise in this forum. Louis Van Gaal is the latest example, a "hiring " that only 20 months ago we were being inundated with media comment that this was to be the "great leap forward" into former glory for Man Utd. who,less a $400millions spending spree,saw the team finish just marginally higher than they had under the "British" manager Moyes. This season we have yet again seen these "high money" appointments made,Conte at Chelsea,Guardiola at Man .City and across that city, United have again opened the purse strings to lure the "Chosen One" to Old Trafford. Now you and I both know there is only one "championship" to be won and these 3 men,all classed as "super coaches",cannot all win the coveted prize, so the one guarantee we have is that at least one of them is going to cop flak in the coming season,when their team is NOT sitting top of the heap. Relating back to the "absence of good English managers" ,is it really so surprising as year after year we see the top club managerial appointments made,usually at the behest of the all powerful media, from countries outside of the English mainland. If we stretch the imagination a bit the managers who dominated English football for 50 of last 70 years were only born some 200 miles north of the English border. Busby and Fergie!!!!!! Cheers jb

I completely concur with the writer as the English have got to instill a foreign manager at the helm. For so long, they have tried to muggle their way into tournaments without a recognized figure as their head whether it be Roy Hodgson or Glenn Hoddle. They need out-of-the-box thinking which can only be provided by a foreign manager. I hope England doesn't fall into the trap of Sam Allardyce!

The FA just need to have enough gusto and determination to stand up the bully boys of Fleet Street. The main problems foreign managers have had to put up with have been generated by the English press.

Need to get fergie out of retirement. The one British manager who was light years ahead of his foreign rivals in the EPL. The English would accept a Scot but not sure about an Aussie. Sean Dyche would be good. He Knows how to. Get the best out of a team of non-stars.

Syd -Australia's Rugby Union and Cricket teams have in the past won "World Cups" in their relative sports as ,by the way,so have England so where do you get the idea that "Aussies" are the best coaches to be had in the world , based on a few results that have occurred over the last season or two. If your logic is correct then the sooner the Aussie hierarchies of both sports go on a visit to New Zealand and India then we can all look forward to improved performances immediately. No? Is that what you are saying or is it comic relief. Cheers jb

Apaway- True ,very true, just like serving an apprenticeship,but never forget, that when a trade is "finished" the learning doesn't, and that's how we get fitters/ turners becoming ,chief engineers,becoming chief executive officers then on to founding /or owning engineering premises. That learning process can only be added to by personal experience and further education and not every club manager has the knowledge. tact,understanding, or man management skills to manage in the required 3 directions ,downwards ,sideways,and probably most important of all, upwards,hence the high turnover,when the "suits", not really knowing what the game is all about ,do the obvious thing and get rid of the manager as soon as they deem necessary,under the false assumption that a new face will solve the problem. Having used our own situation before, we can see, at all levels, assumptions being made that when a player has played for his country and, takes a certificate in coaching, he is ready for the "big time", and I have a feeling that you too may appreciate that that thinking is taking the "learning curve" a step too far. Thanks for the reply Cheers jb

Why don't they just do what the English Rugby Union and Cricket teams have done and name an Aussie as Coach? Worled wonders for those 2 teams.

Australia gets it, but England doesn't!!! You just see the way the English/British football pundits treated the fairytale wins by Leicester & Portugal to understand that it's just not in the English Psyche, entertainment over technique. I jumped on board the Leicester bandwagon & started watching them, they were well organised, had a strong defence, a workaholic midfield, a touch of French genius in the final third & a quick, aggressive striker. They were bereft of real technical ability or the ability to play out tight places. But they were fast & direct. The Portuguese were structured & methodical, they were in no rush. you could see from their winner they could construct an attack with technical skills, they were patience.

Apaway - Nice discussion but have you ever considered something most people ignore in such exploratory investigations. You have listed a "menu" of managers with accompanying facts about their performances in respective areas mostly in the lower reaches of the EPL or even lower. Your debate actually shows the dilemma facing "the suits" for not only does it highlight the absence of a truly outstanding National team manager but it fails to point out the essential difference between being a National team manager and a successful club manager while a close look at the two tasks show up vast differences in the day to day operations of both tasks A club manager is faced with the task of welding a limited amount of players into a winning combination with only 7 days between contests in which to make corrections he deems necessary always remembering he has a reasonably good idea of the strengths and weaknesses of his immediate opponents On the other hand a National team manager has unlimited resources when building a team,the only restrictions being usually "birth certificates", and to do this well he has to have an outstanding aim in how he wants a team to play, then ,having finally arrived at that point, has to start picking the players (nowadays from around the world) who can conform to his ideas whilst at the same time be constantly on the lookout on how and where he can improve upon those already selected to further his aforesaid ideas. The men who can do this are very scarce due to the relatively small number of positions in where to gain such experience and one does not have to look far to see the almost endless line of "failures" in such positions,not only in England ,but around the football world. That brings us to the question,what is the "tenure expectancy" of a National team coach/manager. A brief foray into statistics will show it is not a job for longevity and our own country is a classic example with,since Rale Rasic took the Socceroos to Germany in 1974,, we have had 23 different coaches in those 42 years. Even an examination of those 23 positions will show that during that time we had the " suits" filling the position 8 times with what they termed "caretaker managers" and from all that info we find ,getting back to birthright,only 3 of those selected were actually born in Australia those being Frank Farina,Graham Arnold and Aurelio Vidmar, the latter 2 holding down caretaker roles very briefly. So you see, England is not the only country to be faced with this problem. Take the world leaders Spain who in the same time frame have had 8 coaches, with del Bosque, the latest "victim" after an 8 year success rate of 76%, success remember, playing in National team competitions.!!!!!!. So my friend, not an easy problem for the English "suits " to solve is it???? Cheers jb

If ever there was a stage set, for a long time serving EPL manager to come to the fore, as the new England manager; it is Arsene Wenger's time. Surely, the FA are not going to hold the view of him being a Frenchman, that is going to rule him out..?