Greater Western Sydney vs Western Bulldogs: Finals Forecast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

I am irrationally excited about this game. The market says a Dogs loss is all-but assured, but they’ve said that every week.

Every week, we’ve seen that match ups matter, and here’s why that is a critical assumption for this game.

The Dogs have been underdogs in both of their finals to date – significantly so against the West Coast Eagles in week one, and less so against the Hawks in the semi final round.

Their injuries were supposed to be terminal for their prospects, yet here we are, one week from grand final day, talking about the Dogs being a sneaky chance against football’s version of the Six Million Dollar Man.

Their victories have been on brand: swarming numbers directed at the ball, and a spread that teams like West Coast and Hawthorn are not set up to contain.

The Dogs beat the Eagles in the clinches, before carving the Hawks like an explorer cutting his way through an overgrown jungle. They ended week one with a relatively ho-hum contested possession differential of +23, before turning the dial up to 11 and beating the Hawks by half a century.

Contested possession differential is an overused metric, and it is barely relevant for a dozen of the league’s teams. But for the Dogs, it appears to be a religion: “go forth and hard ball get, my sons” is the catch cry of Luke Beveridge and his coaching staff.

That has worked wonders in the finals series to date, but it could be due to who they have played.

West Coast emerged as one of the league’s softest teams through the middle in 2016 – save for Nic Naitanui, Matt Priddis and Luke Shuey – and the Dogs were able to exploit this.

Same with the Hawks, whose issue winning the ball in the middle of the ground become a storyline unto itself this season.

This afternoon, the Dogs are playing a team that can match them in ball-winning prowess. Season-long contested possession differential isn’t a great forward looking metric, but it hints at the style of play of teams.

The Dogs are number one with a differential of +13.7 per game, where the Giants are third at +10.6. When we take contested marks and free kicks out of the equation, we have the two strongest groundball sides in the competition: +12.7 for the Giants and +11.2 for the Dogs.

What a fantastic proposition.

There’s little doubt the Giants are a strong chance to win. They can match the Dogs in the area of the ground that matters most to the Dogs, and have the personnel and systems to win in other ways if they’re able to break even in the clinches.

It’s been a couple of weeks since the Giants have played, so here is a brief reminder of what they’re capable of.

Do not give them space, because they will move the ball with ruthless efficiency and put up six points every time. They don’t even need a lot of space.

But, there is fragility there. At least in the same way that the Eagles and Hawks are fragile. A team with a strong outside game is like a house of cards – meticulously built and really pretty to look at, but precariously formed.

If the Dogs are able to starve the Giants of possession, by winning the ball themselves and holding on to it, they can keep themselves in the game.

Also in the Giants’ favour are the respective match ups at the pointy ends of the ground. GWS have firepower to burn up forward, and looms as too big and strong in the air for the Dogs to repel if there is any semblance of supply.

Jonathon Patton emerged in the second half of this year as the power forward he promised to be as the number one pick in 2011 – in no small measure due to the continuity of playing 22 games this season.

He and Jeremy Cameron are a nightmare match up, and the Dogs’ problems only compound when Rory Lobb is thrown forward. Toby Greene is also a huge threat, albeit one the Dogs back line will feel confident in nullifying with their bevvy of mid sized defenders. Rhys Palmer is a wildcard, in so far as he has averaged an unfathomable 30+ touches and three goals a game in the NEAFL this season: he could run riot, or act as nothing more than a flanker to clear space for the Giants’ regulars.

The Dogs will feel confident in their ability to run out of the back half, though, setting up an interesting game of chess between the two head coaches. Beveridge will almost certainly look to play a spare man to counter the aerial threats of the Giants, and Leon Cameron may be content to let the loose man free to counter the Dogs’ running game.

Down the other end, Phil Davis and Tom Boyd will probably nullify each other, leaving two line ups chock full of mid sized players to go to work. Expect to see the Dogs press super hard once they get the ball inside forward 50 – it’s high risk because the Giants are so efficient at scoring from their defensive half.

As you can probably tell, it’s really hard to go past the Giants. They are as close to a complete football team as we have seen since peak Hawthorn, capable of playing every way at a high level. The Dogs have a clear identity and one that could see them home if everything went to plan, but it is hard to predict that with any level of confidence.

What is certain is this game will be scorching early. The Giants and Dogs are the two best ground ball teams in the competition, and everything they do starts with winning the ball in tight.

Footscray have got this far by throwing themselves at the contest, and the Giants, with a week off on their side, will be fresh and ready to match them. The first quarter of this game has the potential to be a blood bath.

The atmosphere will support this. From the skerrick of information we’ve seen on ticket sales, it looks like the crowd at Spotless Stadium will be split very close to 50-50. The Western Bulldogs Twitter account is laden with retweets from fans road tripping their way west – Sydney’s west, which is actually north. You get the idea.

Their trips are likely to be in vain. The Giants will win the day; the path to victory for the Dogs is just too narrow. Make no mistake though, this is the first of what is likely to be many high stakes match ups between these two in the years ahead. GWS by 24 points.

That’s my Finals Forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2016-09-25T06:38:43+00:00

Josh

Guest


They're not Westies.

2016-09-24T17:42:21+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Have you woken up yet. Talk about Dogs dreaming.

2016-09-24T17:39:49+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Mat, the stats would have said Stringer had a poor game but there was the touched ball that would have otherwise been a goal, the tackle of a player in a goal kicking position, the tap on. He has significant upside, he takes one of the best defenders and yes, he plays in one of the most difficult positions on the field. An unbelievable game -- well done doggies and you just knew Bontompelli was going to kick that goal late in the game.

AUTHOR

2016-09-24T11:11:10+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Give this man a prize.

2016-09-24T10:45:55+00:00

JR Salazar

Guest


Forecast: Dogs by six.

2016-09-24T10:42:46+00:00

JR Salazar

Guest


He is.

AUTHOR

2016-09-24T10:18:18+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Suffice to say the Dogs took that narrow path to victory! What a team they are. This is so awesome.

2016-09-24T08:25:32+00:00

Phelpsy

Guest


What a cracker of a game so far

2016-09-24T06:05:28+00:00

Matthew H

Guest


Hi Aransan, half-forward flank has got to be the toughest position in a big game of footy. Will definitely be playing on a dangerous half-back flanker and will need to be accountable but can still get cut up. May only get half a dozen touches, kick 3 goals or more and you are great, don't kick a goal and you could get dropped. No-one does that part better than Cyril. The thing is I have been listening to a few big Doggies games over the last 2 years and String can fire, off the back of a quiet year would be awesome to see this arvo in a massive game.

2016-09-24T05:32:55+00:00

Asd

Guest


All this bye talk what load of crap. Who ever wins this goes through.Gws more than likely

2016-09-24T04:51:41+00:00

Lroy

Guest


thats right, Im pretty sure both of them will be there!!

2016-09-24T04:32:23+00:00

Aransan

Guest


It will still be a sell-out and don't forget the South Melbourne supporters.

2016-09-24T04:31:06+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Agreed.

2016-09-24T03:15:52+00:00

JD

Guest


" A fair dinkum hard as nails belt em till they bleed Grand Final " Nicely put.

2016-09-24T02:54:19+00:00

Tim Holt

Roar Guru


come on the Dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!1 https://youtu.be/KZNmSuIZk9w

2016-09-24T02:50:15+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Mat, if Stringer kicks 3 goals and takes their best defender he will have played well and fulfilled his role. It will then be up to the other forwards to take advantage of the opportunities.

2016-09-24T02:42:04+00:00

You kidding

Guest


Still not a sellout. All the people bleating about the stadium not being big enough should be feeling pretty stupid, and rightly so. The AFL got it right on this, the game had to be at spotless. It's too early for the Giants to be hosting games at big stadiums. Should be a great game and have no idea of who will win. Anything could happen.

2016-09-24T02:26:46+00:00

Matthew H

Guest


Good article Ryan, however if Boyd and Davis 'nullify' each other surely that's a win for GWS? I think Boyd is pretty good at bringing the ball down, so to nullify him Davis may have to play really well. You hate to make predictions, but that man Stringer can be so exciting and has been pretty quiet, would love for him to light up the finals from here. On the other side of the coin Toby Greene has been electric this year and he can't drop off now. Liberatore back in is massive for Dogs.

2016-09-24T02:23:01+00:00

Brinnx

Guest


As much as I would love to see the doggies in the GF, If the Giants bring their A game I don't think the Bulldogs can go with them, but they will be back next year. That sets up an all Sydney GF, and what I hope is the start of a genuine rivalry between the Swans and Giants. A fair dinkum hard as nails belt em till they bleed Grand Final between these two would do wonders for the game in Sydney.

2016-09-24T01:52:51+00:00

Believe Steve

Guest


Something tells me it will be a all Sydney Grand final. If it is I wonder how people in Victoria will handle that?

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