Why are so many Australians threatened by the A-League?

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    The Sydney derby was nothing to write home about, but that won’t stop the keyboard warriors from bashing away furiously about how their sport is supposedly better.

    What is with the superiority complex of the average Australian sports fan?

    If it’s not Big Bash League supporters falling over themselves to mention the size of their crowds, it’s AFL fans being increasingly desperate to remind you of their code’s place in the national zeitgeist.

    It’s embarrassing – yet the fanatics who follow some of Australia’s most well-established sports clearly don’t see it that way.

    What is it about football that makes so many Australian sports fans so desperate for validation?

    Is it the global nature of the round-ball game? Or the fact that so many kids in Australia play it?

    Or is it, as Fox Sports commentator Simon Hill recently told SEN Radio, simply a continuation of the “shielas, wogs and poofters” mentality?

    “There’s a faux-homophobia that sort of creeps into this… and a little bit of racism,” Hill said of the hysterical reaction that accompanies instances of diving in the A-League.

    He could have been talking about any football topic, such is the frequency with which people who have zero interest in the A-League frantically offer up their opinions about it.

    Frankly, it all gets rather tiresome.

    The notion that fans can’t watch more than one sport is ludicrous – yet tell folks one of those sports is football, and suddenly you’re fair game for some froth-spitting lunatic to imply that you’re somehow un-Australian.

    I went to a Big Bash League game at the Gabba a few weeks ago and I was bored out of my brains, but do you think I felt the need to get all over the internet and question T20’s place in the fabric of our sporting culture?

    Having decided that being surrounded by screaming children and parents with KFC buckets on their head to watch a monotonous slog-a-thon was not for me, I simply resolved not to attend any more BBL fixtures.

    But even though Saturday night’s ‘Sydney Smash’ drew a smaller crowd than its A-League counterpart, was interrupted by a couple of streakers, and ended up being a one-sided thrashing that finished early, it didn’t stop plenty on Twitter from crowing about the Big Bash being “the biggest show in town”.


    What is with these guys? Did their high school crush fail to accompany them to the Year 12 formal or something?

    Of course, as soon as you draw attention to such cartoonish behaviour, you’re met with reams of justification and an insinuation that A-League fans somehow started it.

    Yet every time an AFL fan or Big Bash booster gets on here and starts telling us about how fantastic their competition is, my first reaction is always… “great!”

    Kudos to the Australian Football League for being quite old, and the Big Bash League for getting big crowds. That’s fantastic for them!

    But I’m sure I’m not alone in wishing that A-League fans could discuss the competition with like-minded supporters, without a bunch of antsy AFL and cricket zealots squawking about their own sports at every opportunity.

    I’ll actually be at Rod Laver Arena tonight watching the likes of Angelique Kerber and Roger Federer go around in the Australian Open, so it’s not like I’m not a fan of different sports.

    I’m just tired of AFL and cricket fans using the A-League to try and score points when no one is interested in discussing their code elsewhere.

    The football in Round 15 was great – from Melbourne Victory’s 3-2 win over Brisbane Roar, to yesterday’s entertaining 2-2 draw between the Newcastle Jets and Perth Glory.

    But any discussion of it will invariably be interrupted by fans of sports no one else wants to talk about.

    That doesn’t sound like a discussion forum to me. It sounds like insecurity.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist from December 2008.

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    • January 16th 2017 @ 6:58am
      Les Mara said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:58am | ! Report

      Aust fans need to be forced to come out of the dark ages, one of afew still in there. A good fta agreement for FFA will go a long way towards doing that. Also, a commentary on all matches weekly along with more Anglos on that show. Hate to upset the element of the racist bogans. Simon Hill , as the late John Warren, know what he experiences in his part in pushing the sport.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 11:31am
        I hate pies said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

        Maybe non-soccer fans don’t like soccer because they are sick of the insults that are thrown at them by “football” fans.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 11:52am
          marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

          It’s funny pies.
          I’ve cooled on Aussie rules for similar reasons.
          I’ve tried to be rational about it but the more I’ve been exposed to aspects of the culture – living as I do outside its bubble – the harder that’s been.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 5:32pm
          Ian said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

          I hate pies…..you are joking right. The insults hurled by football fans……what a laugh.

          • January 17th 2017 @ 7:28am
            I hate pies said | January 17th 2017 @ 7:28am | ! Report

            It’s right there in front of you.

    • January 16th 2017 @ 7:37am
      Sports Prophet said | January 16th 2017 @ 7:37am | ! Report

      You are right. The Sydney derby was nothing to write home about. Despite a wonderful effort from the fans to try and turn Saturday night’s fixture into a memorable affair.

      Unfortunately, the players in no way played their part in the deal. No player that took a competitive breath in that game, gave anyone sitting in the stands anything that would resemble a change in breathing pattern or the need to lift their bums from the well worn seats.

      Nor did Popa, stomping up and down his allotted area, like a poorly mannered child, bemoaning a fourth official who in no way can influence the on field performance of the officials. The official would have been better off ignoring him. Popa would have been better off considering his lack of ability in preparing his forwards and attacking midfielders to create space. He set a precedent allowing me to go down to the sideline and give him the same mouthful he was offering for his inability as a manager to influence the game. Alas, I was raised a little better than Popa obviously was.

      I think it was Carney, who after being shown a yellow card, stormed up behind the referee, lashing him for the decision whilst simultaneously, replays on the big screens at either end of him displayed that his actions warranted a yellow card.

      The next morning, the main reports of the game in the media led with Popa’s post match criticism of the officials. Even he is whinging about the game! So you can expect a little bit of flack.

      When the biggest story from a game is the reaction of a manager to a live decision, there is an obvious issue with the news worthiness of the game altogether.

      These are specific incidents of that fixture. When there is such a paltry display of what is meant to be the pinnacle of Australian club football, you need to expect the wrath of the sports fans and the jibes of the non fans.

      The best solution would be to focus attention on why such sweeping generalisms of the game exist and if anything should be done about them.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 8:08am
        Chris said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

        And whats your point? So the derby wasn’t a great game, so what?
        Nothing in your rant is positive and you are they type of person Mike is talking about. Insecure, petty and looking for affirmation that your opinion somehow counts.

        • January 17th 2017 @ 12:39am
          chump said | January 17th 2017 @ 12:39am | ! Report

          Comment was better than the article.

          You’re bashing the comment because you don’t like it, but it’s obvious that he’s a football fan. He had a clear opinion and was able to elucidate it. And his comment touched two things the article was about. The derby, as well as the way the a league is perceived.

          The sum total of the article was “I’m just tired of AFL and cricket fans using the A-League to try and score points when no one is interested in discussing their code elsewhere.”

          Whatever that means. I’d rather read the comment than the article.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 8:40am
        marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

        So, it’s not true that there aren’t any goals scored regularly, but the confirmation bias of a non fan in this country should make the entire sport change.

        I noticed a few responses to you yesterday which made lots of points about judging by one (or 3, was it?) game, what the attraction of theva-league actually is, that there are dud fixtures in all sports (although I would add, when you’re a fan of a club it hardly matters, a 0-0 derby draw is still edge of your seat stuff to the final whistle), and yet, here you are, complaining again without any acknowledgement of any of this. The aleague is boring. Great. Come back next year for your annual whinge.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 8:45am
        DH said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        I’ve always wondered about the 4th official ranting. I was watching Wolves v Aston Villa on the weekend and in injury time, a decision by the linesman awarded the throw wrongly to Villa, The Wolves manager and assistant turned and went ballistic at the 4th official quite aggressively. How on earth would that change anything at all? Idiocy.

        As for the Sydney Derby, turned it off at half time, watched a film.

        Homophobia leading to people putting down football? Maybe in the 70’s, but I don’t think anyone has ever seriously thought ‘I don’t like football because I don’t like homosexuals’.

        As much as some people need to stop spouting up their own sports, so too do many football fans need to get the chip off their shoulder. This is just one big article of chip. Fans of all sports are guilty of parochialism. Just stay positive.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 9:20am
          Paul said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

          Can you stay in this tab for a week and make similar comments when the usual AFL posters attack football? Or do you just mean football supporters have a problem?

          • January 16th 2017 @ 9:51am
            DH said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

            Surely by AFL people coming to football posts and commenting says everything and not much else needs to be said. It gets tedious when people respond to them.

            If I was in the AFL tab and football people were bagging it, I wouldn’t respond to them either.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 2:20pm
              Perry Bridge said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

              #DH –

              Depends on the conversation – on the AFL post I’ll respond respectfully to anyone who is genuine.

              By ‘genuine’, that doesn’t have to me a ‘real fan’, or a dedicated fan. Simply – if a soccer lover comes to the AFL tab genuinely with a viewpoint, concern, observation, query – – then fine. No problem.

              What is interesting is this article by Mr.Tuckerman. Looks like a desperate attempt to run a code wars type article and generate heaps of comments (and it worked).

              He hasn’t actually based it on anything in particular that has happened so it looks like he has this time in his calendar marked to write such an article – just because. (or am I too cynical?).

              Trying still – or Simon Hill trying still to bring up the old Johnny Warren gripe is so out of date it doesn’t matter and not really worth entertaining – which I won’t as I’ve better things to do.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 2:43pm
                punter said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

                See ya Perry, no need to hurry back.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 5:33pm
                Ian said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

                The old Johnny Warren ‘gripe’…..

                as if it wasn’t true.

              • January 17th 2017 @ 10:25am
                Perry Bridge said | January 17th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report


                It may well have been true – or – felt to be true for some people in some circumstances.

                However – surely everyone has moved on since then? No? If not – how long does a monumental chip sit implanted between the shoulders?

              • Roar Guru

                January 17th 2017 @ 2:19pm
                Brian Orange said | January 17th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

                I thought you said you were leaving Perry?

              • January 18th 2017 @ 9:02am
                Vincent said | January 18th 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

                One of the great myths that surround the A league is that is foreign & generally followed by ethnics.

                Yet I’m surrounded by Anglo Saxons at every game whom thoroughly enjoy the game with passion along with its universal appeal.

                Here is your Sheila’s Wogs & poofta’s conspiracy in a nutshell.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 10:06am
        Nemesis said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

        @Sports Prophet

        Only yesterday, you made the public announcement that you were done with ALeague? The Derby was so boring for you that you said you would never return.

        I prophesied you would return every day to tell us you hate ALeague.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 2:24pm
          steve said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          TBF Nemesis, despite the good crowd and atmosphere at the ground, it was a pretty boring game, it didn’t reach any great heights.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 2:30pm
            Nemesis said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

            That’s football. If you follow football you know that this happens & wouldn’t be bothered by this. The following day Newcastle vs Perth was a cracking match. The previous day Victory vs Brisbane was a cracking match. The day before that Adelaide vs City was a cracking finish.

            Some matches are high quality. Some matches are low quality. Same comp. Even the same teams.

            A couple of months ago I watched Liverpool vs Man United playing EPL at Anfield. Rubbish football match. No intensity. No urgency. No competitive tension.

            This morning the same 2 teams played one of the most riveting EPL matches I’ve watched for a while. 90 minutes of tension.

            I heard the Sydney BBL derby was so boring a couple of males took off their clothes and exposed their genitals to kids. The crowd thought that was the highlight of that sporting event.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 2:37pm
              steve said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

              Sure, happens in every sport, some games are exceptional, some run of the mill. I’m sure fans of both Sydney clubs were engrossed in the derby, with the tension of the contest the longer the game went on, for supporters of other clubs probably not as much. The cricket derby was pretty ordinary, but the record breaking game the previous night was the exact opposite.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 3:03pm
                Nemesis said | January 16th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

                “The cricket derby was pretty ordinary, but the record breaking game the previous night was the exact opposite”

                See that’s the difference.

                The poser, Sports Prophet felt compelled to tell us how much he hated the ALeague Sydney Derby.

                I will check now to see how many ALeague fans went to the BBL discussion to tell BBL fans how awful they found the BBL Syd Derby and how rubbish the players are and the quality of the event is.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm
                Sports Prophet said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

                I didn’t go to, or even watch, the BBL. I went to the A-League Sydney derby.

                I was conned out of $180 for a good positioned ticket, as were my two colleagues, because it was the derby and both teams would throw the kitchen sink at each other.

                In turn, it was a woeful performance from 2 of Australia’s elite clubs. I mean struth, there’s only nine. You would think we could get some bloody action.

                As a paid attendee to that fixture, I am more than comfortable with my right to bemoan such inadequacy on the pitch.

                I do support football, but that doesn’t mean I have to applaud mediocrity. The game on Saturday night was about 3 divisions below mediocrity.

    • January 16th 2017 @ 7:39am
      Sports Prophet said | January 16th 2017 @ 7:39am | ! Report

      It’s like the author bit before the hook even broke the water…

    • January 16th 2017 @ 8:00am
      MarkfromCroydon said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

      Janek, Football is the most popular sport on the planet because the game has everything. Real physical danger, relatively simple rules, extreme skill, beauty, excitement, nervous tension, rapture when your team scores. Put simply, fans of other sports fear that their own favourite sport will not be able to compete within the Australian market if football succeeds and as such will always seek to denigrate the sport and try to keep it from growing in this country.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 10:00am
        kk said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

        Mark, Soccer has time on its side and a growing percentage of parents wanting a physically
        safer sport in which their children may participate. The skeletal frame, muscle mass and
        family environment will determine the sport of choice. I would love to see Australia ranked
        top 10 instead of 44th. I reckon that may take several decades. Go Aussies : Go QPR.

        Mark, the thrill of being able to use your hands, the courage demand of a full frontal try saving
        tackle and the joy and recognition of the skills resulting in placing the ball for a try must be
        included in any fair assessment of “EVERYTHING”

        I enjoy being a Rugby League tragic. Played with minimal/ flimsy protective clothing it is the
        most demanding contact sport in the world. It’s the gladiator in us! .

        • January 16th 2017 @ 10:10am
          Nemesis said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          @MAX I’ve heard that AFL, Rugby, RL, cricket are all played by females as well as males? The sports are marketing themselves to the whole Australian population. Are you saying these sports are not suitable for the majority of the population? A group of AFL players had the same attitude as you and challenged a group of amateur footballers to a game to prove how sissy football is.

          The AFL players had their pants pulled down (literally) and one their bodies were battered & bruised by the competitive football match. Tough guys? Maybe not.

          • Roar Rookie

            January 16th 2017 @ 1:51pm
            Martyn50 said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

            Of course Nemo you have a link. Or are you making this up

            • January 16th 2017 @ 3:10pm
              Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 16th 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

              Martyn—I think you just had your pants pulled down… on queue lol

              • Roar Rookie

                January 16th 2017 @ 5:41pm
                Martyn50 said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

                Lets take Australia’s top soccer players and have them play against an amearture side in the WAAFL and see how they fare.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 5:50pm
                Slane said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

                I’ve already experienced this when I was living at an international college in melbourne. We fielded a team of international students who were all more than capable soccer, basketball and union players. We got done by close to 200 points and we only managed one rushed behind for the day.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                Why, if you read the article, it was the hubris, chest beating, Aussie Rules, that were the ones confident of beating the Footballers at their game… And you questioned Nem, the event never had taken place.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 6:47pm
                Truth Bomb said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

                I reckon after that game, soccer was 10 years away from taking over Aussie rules. 20 years tops!

              • January 16th 2017 @ 7:27pm
                northerner said | January 16th 2017 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

                I particularly like this quote in that article from one of the footballers” “McMeechan admired the VFL team for its sporting attitude. ”They must have realised after two or three training sessions that they couldn’t play soccer,” he said. ”Fair goes to them: I don’t think I would have liked to try and play their game, not in front of all those people, and make a fool of myself. That was a big thing for them to do.”: “Fair goes to them: I don’t think I would have liked to try and play their game, not in front of all those people, and make a fool of myself. That was a big thing for them to do.”

                So somehow, a team of Aussie Rules players losing to a team of football players in a game of football is proof of anything? Except the ability to misrepresent the story you actually link to?

        • January 16th 2017 @ 2:45pm
          c said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

          max problem with gladiatorial sport is the financial ramifications of legal claims for subsequent health issues from those that played the game

      • Roar Pro

        January 16th 2017 @ 1:36pm
        Hutchoman said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

        Football/soccer is popular the world over, for the same reason that athletics is the most competitive sport in the world … at its heart is a very simple game that is cheap to participate in. It only needs a patch of ground, a ball and two “nets” to get started. The game can easily be improvised for any number of players.

        Outside football/soccer and athletics, practically every sport, especially any that would be recognised as mainstream at an international level requires a significant investment in either infrastructure or personal equipment at anything beyond the most basic (kids) level.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 1:47pm
          punter said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

          WOW, I use to play touch & tackle Rugby league with a patch of grass & a tennis ball, what happen there.
          We also used to play catch & kick (closest I got to AFL) just with a oval shape ball & a blade of grass.

          • Roar Guru

            January 16th 2017 @ 1:58pm
            Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

            We used to play 3 a side touch on our schools tennis court before school started, used to be some of the most intense games. Winner stays on, loser goes to the back of the line.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 2:45pm
              punter said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

              Those touch games at lunch times in my senior years were very intense.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 4:30pm
            Perry Bridge said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:30pm | ! Report


            I didn’t hurry back – – but, in drifting by I’ll just agree with you on this one.

            By the way – a fisherman my start off with 2 nets – “It only needs a patch of ground, a ball and two “nets” to get started” – I might suggest there is a need for some form of ‘frame’.

            On which point – the AFL goal (or the original 1863 London FA goal) with no x-bar is simpler – you really just need a couple of jumpers set a few metres apart to act as goal post references.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 5:19pm
              marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:19pm | ! Report


        • January 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm
          E-Meter said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

          You could say that about a few sports though. Touch footy all you need is a footy and something to mark out the trylines. Cricket: bat, ball, a bin for stumps.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 3:59pm
            Sydneysider said | January 16th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

            I loved playing touch footy at school and at the park. 5 a side, first to 3 tries. Easy game. No posts required, just some jumpers to line up the tryline.

            Top game.

    • January 16th 2017 @ 8:16am
      Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

      Well written Mike. It will be interesting to see if the usual suspects on these pages answer the question or continue with much of the same.

      Another extension of this is the so-called eurosnob mentality, genuine football fans but people refuse to engage with the A League. Why is that? I’ve lived in Europe and stood on terraces with people who support Man U and Bayern Munich but are with passionately supporting a third or fourth tier team as well, just because they’re local. Why can’t a eurosnob follow a HAL team and stil love their overseas team in the same way?

      And I wonder what, if any damage, this is doing to the attacking codes – my 13 year old son refused to renew our Reds memberships and will no longer go to games so consequently I rarely go now. Our house barracks for the Crows due to a mad Adelaide born mother but the passion has diminished and the family of five no longer visits the Gabba when they come due to the drivel AFL dishes up; and my other passion cricket goes unquenshed due the twitter barrage CA serve up.

      The winner of all this in my household, besides football, is NRL – the Broncos are the only code up here comfortable in their own skin and seemingly happy to say “look at me” without entering code war territory and the sight of Billy Moore happily supporting Roar with his kids has got my boy interested in another code. And that’s good, that’s how it should be – that’s normal. Hatred of any other code is not normal.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 9:19am
        Paul said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:19am | ! Report

        “Hatred of any other code is not normal”


      • January 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm
        steve said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

        TBF Waz, the hatred of any other code is not normal, and I agree, but it works both ways. You can go even further with the supporters and their complete disdain for each other. You see it on this tab every single day, every single article. AFL, Cricket and League fans throwing shade at the soccer fans and vice versa, the exact same thing happens with soccer fans throwing shade right back, with no respect or acknowledgement of each others opinions. Its sad IMO.

      • Roar Guru

        January 16th 2017 @ 3:45pm
        Kaks said | January 16th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

        “The winner of all this in my household, besides football, is NRL – the Broncos are the only code up here comfortable in their own skin and seemingly happy to say “look at me” without entering code war territory”

        To be honest, I have not really seen baseless comments without merit from any NRL fan, club or executive. Heck, in some instances – like Parramatta and WSW – the two clubs work with each other to better their clubs/community. May be the fact that a lot of NRL fans also follow football, but for whatever reason both sports seem to live harmoniously together. I can say the same about Rugby (in Sydney at least).

        Not sure why other sports, especially AFL, cant do the same.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 4:26pm
          Agent11 said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

          It’s not the A League the AFL is fearful of its soccer taking the kids away from playing AFL. Sorry but A League is just not a threat to the major codes at this point in time, but who knows maybe down the track it might be. The game of soccer however is going to pull kids away from playing AFL which is very aggressive in pushing its junior programs all over the country. I think the AFL knows that if its ever going to be dominant in NSW and QLD its going to need a lot more local players from these states making it to the AFL. Because most NSW/QLD folks are never going to be passionate followers of a game where most players come from Victoria/SA/WA…

          • Roar Rookie

            January 16th 2017 @ 4:34pm
            Martyn50 said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:34pm | ! Report

            You missed Tasmania,Northern Territory

      • January 17th 2017 @ 12:44am
        chump said | January 17th 2017 @ 12:44am | ! Report

        Any third or fourth tier euro team would smash the a-league premiers.

    • Roar Guru

      January 16th 2017 @ 8:19am
      The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:19am | ! Report

      Maybe we can get The Roars football tab specifically password protected so only the football fans can post here and Mike can sleep free of AFL and BBL contamination.

      Any argument caters to a codes strengths – For football fans its the global nature of the game and their high participation numbers. For NRL fans, its Origin and tv ratings. For AFL fans its crowds, memberships and tv. For Cricket, its crowds and tv. Every single code war article and response.

      While Mike may not have questioned the BBLs place in the world, there are plenty of soccer fans out there who do on a regular basis (and hell there are AFL and Cricket fans who do as well).

      lol @ Simon Hill and the “little bit of racism” part though. Riiiiight.

      Telling someone that “one of these codes is football” is a problem too. When at least three other codes have called themselves football for the previous century and a half, with “real football” not making the switch in Australia until a decade ago. Reality is of course, they are all variants of football.

      The irony of this ‘article” is that it will only provoke more of the same. How it gets past the editing staff.

      • January 16th 2017 @ 8:34am
        marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

        Have you read posts by anon? Jeff what’s his name? They are filled with insinuation about ethnicity. Rick Disnick has repeatedly made comments about another posters ethnic background in a derogatory manner. Or were you laughing at the descriptor – “a little bit”?

        As for the football – officially they made the switch. I and many others have called it football our entire lives. Here’s how it works. Judge your company. Then qualify if necessary. As a sydneysider, it’s largely going to be “AFL” if i want to make myself understood – and that’s even with people who know the game. These days, that’s its official name here, if we’re talking “officially”. So… here we are on the football tab…. it’s not hard to understand is it?

        • Roar Guru

          January 16th 2017 @ 8:42am
          The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

          I was talking about codes like League and Rugby too which have also identified as football for some time. Not just AFL.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 8:45am
            marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

            “League”. “Union” (Often, “rugby”.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 9:24am
            Paul said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            It’s not clear what you were talking about but you ignore everyone’s opinion but your own. To give you a taste of the medicine we suffer in this site I will stalk you on your tab for a couple of weeks replying with pointless useless comments and see how you and your fellow supporters like it? Rather than think password protecting our tab is the answer maybe you’ll see the problem then.

            • Roar Guru

              January 16th 2017 @ 10:38am
              The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

              You can feel free to stalk me all you like, but if people are going to misquote and misrepresent what i say, then im going to correct it.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 10:19am
            Sydneysider said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:19am | ! Report


            I’m a Sydneysider through and through and I’ve always called it league, I have called football – soccer on many occasions, depending on the audience.

            I also grew up with rugby and have always called it rugby. League is NRL.

            Anyway, this Tuckerman article will get 200+ posts again. He must have a directive from the Roar editors to pump up the hits to this website.

            Well done Mike.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 11:31am
              clipper said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

              Agree, Sydneysider,, although sometimes Rugby is called Union.
              The difference is ‘footy’. It used to be accepted you were referring to league years ago, but now days it could refer to a number of codes in Sydney.

            • Roar Rookie

              January 16th 2017 @ 11:58am
              Martyn50 said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:58am | ! Report

              Agree. Every Monday he write an article to keep the code war going. Many must be getting tired of it

              • Roar Guru

                January 16th 2017 @ 3:49pm
                Kaks said | January 16th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

                Yep. Came here on my break to see if there were any interesting football articles about the weekends action. Instead I have to deal with a piece from Mike stirring the pot again. Quite over it to be honest. I just want to talk about the football.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 4:52pm
                Swanny said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

                I agree
                Some great A league action on the weekend . As a jets fan it’s great to be competitive again. Enjoying watching Andrew nabbiut get a second chance after being released by victory . Who do you support ?

              • Roar Guru

                January 16th 2017 @ 6:00pm
                Kaks said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:00pm | ! Report

                Glad to see Newcastle playing well again. They have some of the best supporters who are always there during the difficult times, which is a testament to the Novacastrians considering the Knights are struggling too.

                Not only is Nabbout doing well but so is Hoole! Hoole is less consistent than Nabbout but maybe the move back home has sparked something in him.

                Wanderers support mate. Tough season, but you need to take the good with the bad. If we can get a decent striker who can bang in 10 goals for the rest of the season, we may be a dark horse.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 8:51am
          Kasey said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:51am | ! Report

          @marron..you mean inane comments like, “you do realise you can have a rivalry without a riot?” by that Jeff clown before the derby. When was the last riot at an A-League game? Never.

          • Roar Guru

            January 16th 2017 @ 8:54am
            The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

            Codes are like religions. Every one has their fringe members and zealots, and they just happen to be the same ones who are generally vocal and evangelistic.

            • Roar Pro

              January 16th 2017 @ 9:47am
              Kasey said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

              Wookie, the analogy between codes and religions is very apt.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 11:08am
            Jeff Milton said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

            I never made such a comment about a riot

            • January 16th 2017 @ 5:53pm
              Kasey said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:53pm | ! Report

              Jeff. I hereby apologise.

              I’ve checked the tape and you are indeed innocent of that comment it was Christo the Daddyo, yet another AFL fan who likes to troll football discussions(like you) that said:
              “You know you can have a rivalry without rioting and letting off flares don’t you?”

              • January 17th 2017 @ 7:38am
                Jeff milton said | January 17th 2017 @ 7:38am | ! Report

                no worries kasey

        • January 16th 2017 @ 11:07am
          Jeff Milton said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

          I have never made one. Moment in this regards marron

          • January 16th 2017 @ 11:54am
            marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

            Your comments directed at football fans for shockingly enjoying something supposedly European – not white, I think you said – says otherwise.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 1:55pm
              Jeff Milton said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

              My point was that football supporters were being anti Anglo in their comments. That has happened a lot

      • January 16th 2017 @ 8:38am
        Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:38am | ! Report

        I have no idea what you’re trying to say but it comes across as if you just fast forwarded through the article in an effort to contradict it as quickly as possible, no thought required, just disagree.

        And seriously, football can’t call itself football because at least three other codes call themselves football? Are you an adult or a child – if three codes can co-exist calling themselves football why can’t a fourth, I’d love to hear you explain that one lol??

        • Roar Guru

          January 16th 2017 @ 8:40am
          The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

          Not once did i say football cant call itself football. Apparently you did some fast forwarding too.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 8:43am
            marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

            Serious question. If say Caroline Wilson used that exact phrase in an article in the age, would you think the same?

            • Roar Guru

              January 16th 2017 @ 8:53am
              The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:53am | ! Report

              Id say Caroline Wilson was being a clown. The fact is all codes are a form of football – and come from the pretty similar roots. My only concern when soccer moved to football in Australia was that it could cause some identification issues with sports already identifying locally as football, especially in the lower and western states. (It makes it interesting when writing about Australian Football (the codes official name) v Australian football (the Association Football codes Australian chapter as it were). I didnt care that it had taken to calling itself football and still dont consider it stolen or usurped in any way.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 9:27am
                marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:27am | ! Report

                Fair enough.
                I would think most people reading the imagined article wouldn’t blink… she’s an AFL journo writing her AFL column, if she says football, you know what she means.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 9:49am
                Paul said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

                But it is NOT Australian Football it is Australian Rules Football to use its official name. And it is:

                American Football
                Rugby Union Football
                Rugby League Football
                Association Football

                All present and active on our shores, all entitled to use the word “football” if they wish. We do not need internet police like you to tell one code they should not use it – if anyone is confused by that may I suggest they refrain from driving cars or operating heavy machinery, they are far more confusing activities.

              • Roar Guru

                January 16th 2017 @ 10:18am
                The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

                Its official name is not Australian Rules Football. It has officially been Australian Football for at least a century.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 10:24am
                Nemesis said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

                “Its official name is not Australian Rules Football. It has officially been Australian Football for at least a century.”

                I grew up in suburban Melbourne. I never heard the sport ever being called Australian Football. It was always Aussie Rules.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 10:31am
                Truth Bomb said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

                It was always “football” fuss

                Australian football is the official name but in the Australian football heartlands it has always been “football”

              • January 16th 2017 @ 11:23am
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 16th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

                In NSW, where I was born, and grew up, it was always known to us as Aussie Rules. Heck, pre 1990 you never had a national body—only independent state bodies—and that is still the case today. So, if the SANFL was hell bent on deciding to use a Frisbee instead of a Sherrin for their state competition—the AFL would have little power to stop them.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 4:44pm
                Perry Bridge said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

                #Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

                ” Heck, pre 1990 you never had a national body”

                Well – not entirely right. The Australian National Football Council, existed in one form/name or another from about 1906 until superseded by the AFL Commission in 1995.

                The world according to NSW. Well, the reality is that even pre-federation, the rule and influence of the colony of NSW over the rest of Australia was limited and diminishing. Just because NSW folk can’t get their head around something doesn’t mean the rest of the country has to suffer a shared ignorance.

                “Aussie Rules” is as much a disambiguating nickname as is “Soccer”. I don’t hate the term – never used it – but understand those who do. Just don’t tell me not to use “Soccer” because unlike “Aussie Rules”, when I grew up it wasn’t just local city/state based usage – it was national – it was “National Soccer League”. It was “Socceroos” and it was “Soccer Australia”. So – while I based my common usage on official names, others are claiming their common usage based on unofficial nicknames as being some how more binding (it appears??).

              • Roar Guru

                January 17th 2017 @ 12:47pm
                Brian Orange said | January 17th 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                If we are talking about roots. AFL was originally called MeIbourne RuIes of Rugby.
                WIlls was a Rugby man and excelled at Rugby and cricket and the match posts were originally “H” shaped like in rugby/league.

                It then changed its name to MeIbourne RuIes, Victor1an RuIes and then Australian RuIes.
                The League only changed its name to the Australian Football League in 1989.

                Football is an international game governed by FIFA, so it rightly is called football and has been since the middle ages. It was first banned way back in April 1314 by King Edward II, because so many of his soldiers were injured playing it.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 7:23am
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 7:23am | ! Report

                #Brian Orange

                “If we are talking about roots. AFL was originally called MeIbourne RuIes of Rugby.” Incorrect

                “WIlls was a Rugby man and excelled at Rugby and cricket” Correct, he captained their cricket team. Cricket was his game. He also played ‘football’ at the school of Rugby.

                “and the match posts were originally “H” shaped like in rugby/league.” Incorrect – there NEVER was a cross bar in the Melbourne/Victorian/Australian rules of football.

                re cross bar – in Sth Aust for a short time they had not so much a cross bar but 2 – an elevated rectangular target through which to send the ball – that didn’t last.

                Mr.Orange – you keep making assertions that are unsupportable. Why do you do that?

                “Football” is a group of games characterised by being played by folk on foot on grassy fields with some form of ball made from leather/animal skin.

                Now – should we exclude anyone from ‘football’ because they use synthetic balls or play on synthetic fields??

              • January 19th 2017 @ 7:32am
                punter said | January 19th 2017 @ 7:32am | ! Report

                Perry, or sports that play mainly with their hands.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 9:16am
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:16am | ! Report


                “Perry, or sports that play mainly with their hands.”

                or play largely with their “heads”

              • January 19th 2017 @ 9:49am
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

                “Now – should we exclude anyone from ‘football’ because they use synthetic balls or play on synthetic fields??”

                Desperate line of thought, PB. I would say all football codes are played on rectangular fields. So should we exclude those who choose to play within cricket field boundary lines? The World would argue, YES!

              • January 19th 2017 @ 9:53am
                punter said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

                Perry I was agreeing with you.

                I think you will find that using the hand in football is mainly for those unskilled with the foot, eg goalkeepers & others.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 10:19am
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:19am | ! Report


                Come now – we know that field dimensions really aren’t able to be used in any such argument – elsewise we might suggest that we ought still be playing a distance of a number of miles apart from town to town!!


                “I think you will find that using the hand in football is mainly for those unskilled with the foot, eg goalkeepers & others.”

                I think you’ll find that players skill by whatever means of circumventing the rules or exploiting the rules will use whatever means are available to them (individually) –

                and as a result Association Football developed its characteristic ‘header’ – – used very broadly by that unskilled exponents by foot perhaps most obviously exemplified in the Australian context by Timmy Cahill (clearly a hack kicker by your logic).

              • January 19th 2017 @ 10:34am
                punter said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:34am | ! Report

                Perry, Mr Cahill is a legend of Australian football, I bow to his greatness. I would say he is certainly the greatest Socceroo & right up there as one of the finest from this country.
                However, from a purist point of view, ball at feet, Cahill would struggle to be in the top 100 Australia has ever produced.

                Kewell is so far ahead skill wise it’s not funny.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 10:45am
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

                Oh, PB, excuse me, this is the 21 century, not the middle ages—we have moved on from pig skins and town to town boundaries. Now we have the marvels of the 21st century, with the new state-of-the-art materials, which it has brought to the modern game of football. But of course, we must never forget our roots. And where the term “football” was first coined.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 10:51am
                Nemesis said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

                Tim Cahill scored one of the greatest goals ever seen in World Cup history.

                A volley
                across his body
                on his non-preferred foot
                into a target that measures 7.3m x 2.4m
                The ball dropped from about 20m in the air and the sun was in his eyes.

                The foot skills required to execute this would be beyond any of the “world’s best” who play the Crash & Carry Ball sport that is indigenous to Australia. These clowns can’t kick a ball within a target that is 6.4m wide and infinity high.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 11:05am
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report


                Perhaps, and taking into account the opinion of Mr.Punter – one might suggest that the featured strike by Mr.Cahill might fall in the happy fluke category.

                i.e. if you play 100s or 1000s of hours in front of TV cameras – eventually you should achieve something noteworthy!!!

              • January 19th 2017 @ 12:03pm
                Sydneysider said | January 19th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                Come on, let’s get to 600 comments!!

              • January 19th 2017 @ 12:26pm
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                Yes that’s right PB, Tim Cahill fluked his way around the world… Heck, the first goal of the HAL season at Docklands was sheer luck.. (?) lol

              • January 19th 2017 @ 11:25am
                punter said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

                Unfortunately you will never understand.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 11:30am
                Nemesis said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                @Perry Bridge

                Bit like a big catch in Aussie Rules? 90% of the time the player will drop the catch. 1 time he catches & he’s lauded for life.

                Tim Cahill has scored spectacular goals regularly: volleys, overhead & bicycle kicks. Not sure if he’s (yet) executed a Scorpion Kick goal.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 5:52pm
                Kasey said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:52pm | ! Report

                double post deleted.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 7:21pm
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 7:21pm | ! Report


                Do you know what – on this point I largely agree – sporting ‘flukes’ do happen and often get celebrated too greatly.

                Cricket – consider the ‘seam’ bowler – now and then the ball does something remarkable – the credit the bowler should accept is little more than having had a decent wrist position and ball release – the rest, as they say, is in the lap of the gods.

                Sports commentary has a tendency to over laud mediocrity. What is interesting watching a variety of sports is when an irregular skill is reasonably executed in one particular sport and is lauded – the fans of another sport in which that skill is pretty stock standard will watch on thinking “This sport really does lack skill”.

                Back to the big ‘catch/mark’ in Australian Football – we tend to celebrate the regular exponents of the skill – however, there’s a big difference between taking a speccie in a relatively open area of the field as against taking a speccie in the attacking goal square rising above a large pack and bringing the ball to ground and walking back knowing that with the shot at goal you have earned that you’d have to fall over or stub you toe into the ground to miss!!

                And back to Timmy Cahill – is he such a good kick that he becomes the designated penalty taker?? (really – those goals should NOT count in the ‘golden boot’ awards, or, at least be a stand alone category……but, what would I know!!!).

          • January 16th 2017 @ 9:11am
            Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

            American Football is starting up a League in Australia soon, do I assume you’ve been on their tab explaining the problems they will have using the word football?

            The answer I suspect is no. So why do you (and others) have a problem with association football using the word football and why is there a need to point out to football fans that it’s “a problem” somehow? It is truly bizarre

            • Roar Guru

              January 16th 2017 @ 10:19am
              The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:19am | ! Report

              Again, I never said there was a problem if anyone used the term football. You are flat out making that up.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 10:26am
                Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

                It’s not the first time this year that AFL supporters have said the code is arrogant for calling itself football on here (probably not the first time this year tbh) – so if you meant something else it just wasn’t clear to me??

              • January 16th 2017 @ 10:35am
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

                The term Australian Football, has become generic, you don’t own that name anymore, (If you ever did). Do you know, which football code, I am discussing on the Football tab, when I am in an analysis conversation, with say a Melbourne Victory supporter, and me, a Sydney FC supporter?

              • January 16th 2017 @ 10:36am
                Truth Bomb said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:36am | ! Report

                Waz, why don’t you actually identify the phrase that offended you so?

                He was clearly saying that everyone is entitled to call their code football.

                If it wasn’t clear to you, you must have been reading what you wanted to

              • Roar Guru

                January 16th 2017 @ 10:40am
                The_Wookie said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

                I dont always write for this audience do I?

              • January 16th 2017 @ 4:51pm
                Perry Bridge said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

                #Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

                “The term Australian Football, has become generic”. “Australian football” has become generic. Or, more apt, “Football in Australia”.

                Nothing changes that there is only one football code that officially plays the rules published as “The Laws of Australian Football”.

                Association Football internationally plays by “The Laws of the Game”.

              • Roar Guru

                January 17th 2017 @ 12:51pm
                Brian Orange said | January 17th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

                you and all of us are free to call the game whatever you like, as are the MeIbourne RuIes marketing department.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 10:01am
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:01am | ! Report

                @PB, the term Australian Football is now generic. Aren’t all codes of football made up with their own form of Australian Football clubs, that’s Australian Football? And how do you propose to stop football journalists’ use of the words “Australian Football” when writing an article about Football, or even Rugby, or Rugby League, within their own context?

              • January 19th 2017 @ 11:02am
                Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report


                another Australian Footballer – Jarrod Mullen – was done for steroids use the other day.

                the record crowd for Australian Football at the MCG is 121,686.

                The record Australian Football crowd at the MCG is 99,382.

                the Australian National Football team are the Wallabies.

                The Socceroos play Australian Football but not in the Australian Football League.

                Adjust the above for contextual accuracy.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 2:51pm
                Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:51pm | ! Report

                @PB. “The Socceroos play Australian Football but not in the Australian * Football League.” (I am a one code follower and I don’t need to know what you do in your area).

                I had no problem with your sentences, but if you did; perhaps this would make better sense for you; if need be. *Rules, in your preferred code.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 8:41am
          marron said | January 16th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

          Because new Australians.

          • January 19th 2017 @ 5:53pm
            Kasey said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:53pm | ! Report

            “The Australian National football team are the Wallabies”
            wait what?

            Are you high? or did I miss a joke? Half of Australia probably couldn’t even tell the difference between the sport the Kangaroos play and the one the Wallabies play.

            The Australian National football team are the guys captained by Mile Jedinak.
            The Wallabies are captained by who?..hang on let me jump on google

            • January 19th 2017 @ 7:27pm
              Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 7:27pm | ! Report


              Give an inch, take a Mile……who????

              Try to follow the conversation thread!!!

              btw – even in Victoria we can distinguish the Wallabies and Kangaroos, although in Sydney they tend to say “North Melbourne who???”

              (I wonder if the subtlety will have been wasted?).

      • January 16th 2017 @ 9:09am
        Rusty0256 said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

        It’s interesting Wookie that you should suggest Roar Football should perhaps be “password protected” to keep footy and cricket types away (hmm, not a bad idea actually!).

        The interesting thing is, a cursory glance through articles posted on the Roar AFL and cricket tabs finds almost zero ‘contributions’ by football types. Perhaps those tabs are indeed password protected because it seems we round ball enthusiasts are unable, or perhaps more likely to be uninterested in offering their opinion on sports they don’t actually like.

        For example in the posted article ‘The Simple Maths Problem that will define the AFL in 2017’ (sorry I don’t know how to link articles), there are 106 respondents, not one of them anything other than a footy fan, offering their opinions, exchanging inter-club banter etc. For me, a dyed in the wool football fan, reading an article and contributions like that (I forced myself do do it) is very hard going as the subject matter bores me to tears. So why for heavens sake would I then want to jump in to their world, and start trolling hate-bait about their sport? They love their footy / cricket / rugby / NRL, good luck to them.

        We football supporters pretty much leave you and your sports alone, it really would be nice to expect the same in return, but you just can’t seem to help yourselves.

        • January 16th 2017 @ 9:53am
          Paul said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          I did the same search and found the same thing, football supporters (sorry Wookie, the sok-ha supporters) don’t visit other tabs and post disrespectful comments. Why do AFL supporters do it here? (And I’m not saying Wookiee is being disrespectful, he’s not, but regular readers of these pages know who I’m referring too)

        • January 16th 2017 @ 9:57am
          Fadida said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

          Rusty, I think part of the problem is that other codes lie dormant for what, 4-5 months of the year, so a percent of their fans get very bored. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting.

          Given these competitions are “closed shops”, ie there are trades between teams but little, and in some cases no international or cup competitions to talk about, no new players into the league, no leagues in other countries, I can understand some getting jealous or needing to let off steam. With no one to boo, call a white maggot, or on field fights to cheer, what else is there to do? Like a true bully (bullies always lack intelligence, hence easily bored) they then seek to ridicule, denigrate and demean, in this case the game they prefer to call soccer.

          This is why they lurk around here for months of the year

          • January 16th 2017 @ 10:30am
            Sydneysider said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report


            you make some excellent points.

            “that other codes lie dormant for what, 4-5 months of the year, so a percent of their fans get very bored. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting.”

            I will also add that is why Big Bash cricket is a perfect fit for the NRL and AFL fans who want to casually support another sport in their off season. They won’t have to passionately support the sides playing in the Big Bash, but they do enjoy the game of cricket.

            If they did passionately support a Big Bash side, then you would get the banter between fans on the cricket tab of this website and discussion on who will make the finals etc… but it’s not like that.

            So the haters come on here to denigrate the A-League, and then to a lesser extent football. They even came onto this tab to criticise FIFA and it’s 48 team world cup. Imagine some football followers going on to the cricket tab and criticising the cricket world cup and it’s 10 team structure??? Or going on to the AFL tab and criticising the AFL’s finals structure??

            • January 19th 2017 @ 9:54am
              Perry Bridge said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report


              You make a slight error.

              “So the haters…..”

              What you don’t understand is there are people who follow a particular code passionately but also follow at very least the ‘event’ sports. So – will become overnight experts on a variety of sports during the Olympics; cycling experts during the Tour de France; American Football experts in the lead up to the Superbowl. You don’t need an Oxford qualification in English Football to have an opinion on the FA Cup or the FIFA WC.

              FIFA is certainly not beyond criticism from with-out or with-in. Likewise the IOC, or WADA or the ICC or Bernie Ecclestone or ….. etc etc.

              Likewise the AFL is open to criticism. Certainly no one from outside held back when the AFL was roundly criticised about 9-10 years back for the Illicit Drugs policy (which mind you – most people showed a clear lack of comprehension and were lining up as AFL-haters to blindly lash out rather than immerse in the issue as one broader than a single footy code). Perhaps I have too long a memory – as it seems to me that pot calls the kettle black when it suits the pot.

            • January 19th 2017 @ 10:32am
              northerner said | January 19th 2017 @ 10:32am | ! Report

              @Sydneysider: FIFA is a global organization with considerable political and economic clout, especially in the developing world, combined with a well-earned reputation for corruption. It should no more be exempt from examination and criticism by anyone with an interest in sports, global politics, economics, or the misappropriation of money and resources, than should the ICC, the ICU, the OIC or the United Nations.

              Broadening the eligibility for the World Cup finals has implications that go beyond the game of football, so why wouldn’t those with a marginal interest in football but a considerable interest in, for example, the rising influence of China, have the right to add their perspective to the discussion? Questioning FIFA is not the same thing at all as attacking football, any more than questioning the ICU is an attack on the Tour de France.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 1:53pm
            concerned supporter said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

            Part of the problem is the fanatical Nemesis/ aka Fuss.
            NOTE: Yesterday
            Nemesis said | January 15th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

            @concerned supporter

            AFL/NRL/Rugby/Cricket are crap games to play & tedious games to watch.”

            Another part of the problem is soccer articles and especially inflammatory headlines looking for attention and hundreds of comments including this by Mike Tuckerman.

          • Roar Rookie

            January 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm
            Martyn50 said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

            The main problem is that soccer supporters have nothing to discuss about soccer apart from low attendances,poor TV viewers and flares. Do you discuss what is happening in the trade period? How the game could be improved? (On and off the field)

            • Roar Guru

              January 16th 2017 @ 4:28pm
              tully101 said | January 16th 2017 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

              seriously mate? why on earth do you feel the need to bash a sport you dont like? i dont like american sports or horse racing, but not once have i gone onto that section of the website and gave them my opinion, stick to the sports you like.

              • Roar Guru

                January 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm
                tully101 said | January 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                oh and when are you going to head to the tennis page and complain about the flares at the open?

            • January 16th 2017 @ 5:31pm
              pete4 said | January 16th 2017 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

              Martyn50 – stay off those supplements when your watching Aussie Rules mate.

              You have just proven Mike’s article is 100% correct.

          • January 17th 2017 @ 10:30am
            Perry Bridge said | January 17th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report


            Part of the problem is that while yes – AFL in particular lies ‘dormant’ for half the year – we fans have traditionally gone off and played cricket or tennis over summer, some compete in triathlons, or go surfing etc. It’s rather healthy – to not be bogged down in a single sporting mindset all year round.

            The evidence of the reflex narkiness is seen by the reactions of some on this tab – and the irony of course is that this tab is prone to self examination via comparison to other codes.

            Moth to a flame.

            It’s very hard though to have a decent online chat when – as soon as you speak up you get ‘labelled’ by – well, let’s be frank – it’s Nemefustex wot is the problem.

            • January 17th 2017 @ 2:52pm
              Caltex & SBS support Australian Football said | January 17th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

              “Nemefustex” Ha, ha, I’ll pay that one 🙂

        • January 16th 2017 @ 10:02am
          Ian said | January 16th 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

          Very true Rusty. Good comment.

          • January 16th 2017 @ 12:13pm
            I hate pies said | January 16th 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

            The answer is because you guys keep writing articles about the topic.

            • January 16th 2017 @ 12:56pm
              Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

              Nope. You lot will drop in on any football article. There all there just go back through a few and see what AFL folk post. It’s on public display.

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                January 16th 2017 @ 1:04pm
                Mister Football said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                Personally, I think it’s more imagined than it is real.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 1:31pm
                I hate pies said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

                Personally, I think anyone who disagrees with the status quo is assumed to be an “AFL” person.

              • January 16th 2017 @ 1:53pm
                Waz said | January 16th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                seriously, just go to the AFL tab, they post there lol. You don’t need to be Sherlock mate ??

        • January 16th 2017 @ 2:50pm
          punter said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

          Best post so far!!!

      • January 16th 2017 @ 9:28am
        c said | January 16th 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

        Your comment is awaiting moderation.

        lol @ The_Wookie you forget to mention afl international go away

      • January 16th 2017 @ 2:33pm
        c said | January 16th 2017 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

        just as i thought inappropriately moderated from this morning lol

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