Football TV ratings for 2016

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    It’s that time of year when we review the Australian TV ratings for all the football codes for the previous year.

    I am relying on the data already collected by good friend to The Roar, Wookie, using his excellent site: Footy Industry.

    I will start with the free-to-air broadcasts (5 City Metro) for all football matches for 2016.

    The top rating football match for 2016 was the AFL grand final featuring Sydney and the Western Bulldogs, with ratings of 3.04 million.

    The NRL then takes up the next four spots, with the NRL grand final and three State-of-Origin matches, underscoring its ongoing strength in attracting mega TV audiences.

    Origin 1 was in 2nd place with ratings of 2.708 million, while the NRL grand final featuring Cronulla and Melbourne was in 3rd place with ratings of 2.647 million.

    The remainder of the top ten is filled by AFL finals:

    Free-to-air’s top rating football programs in 2016

    1. AFL – GF – Sydney v Western Bulldogs: 3,040k
    2. NRL – SOO – NSW v Queensland: 2,708k
    3. NRL – GF – Cronulla-Sutherland v Melbourne: 2,647k
    4. NRL – SOO – Queensland v NSW: 2,404k
    5. NRL – SOO – NSW v Queensland: 2,111k
    6. AFL – PF – GWS v Western Bulldogs: 1,355k
    7. AFL – PF – Geelong v Sydney: 1,032k
    8. AFL – QF – Hawthorn v Geelong: 1,022k
    9. AFL – SF – Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs: 989k
    10. AFL – SF – Sydney v Adelaide: 951k

    The most surprising result might be the preliminary final in sixth spot between GWS and the Western Bulldogs with ratings of 1.355 million.

    It’s worth noting that all of the lesser finals in the AFL were also broadcast on Fox, where very good ratings were also recorded, which we will note further below.

    The AFL’s Brownlow night received a high enough rating to actually make it into the top ten: 989k.

    Two NRL Tests made it into 12th and 13th spots with ratings of 852k.

    The highest non-final rating was the AFL’’ Rd 5 clash between Hawthorn and Adelaide, played on a Friday night, it came in at 18th with ratings of 766k.

    Of the top 100 ratings, the AFL took 51 spots, the NRL took 47 spots and the ARU took two spots.

    The ARU’s highest spot was in #50 for the Wallabies Test with England which had ratings of 556k.


    The top 100 cuts out at 442k. There was no A-League or Socceroos match which made it into the top 100.

    As I mention above all the AFL finals apart from the grand final are shown on Fox. It’s a similar situation for the NRL, except their preliminary finals are not shown on Fox as well.

    As a consequence, it’s unsurprising that the two AFL preliminary finals take first and second place in the Fox ratings for 2016.

    However, many might be surprised to discover that the preliminary final between GWS and the Western Bulldogs took first place by some margin, with ratings of 565k. If that’s not an outright record for Fox, it would be very close to being one.

    The other preliminary final between Geelong and Sydney was in secon=nd spot with ratings of 497k.

    The NRL took 3rd place, with a regular season match no less, the Rd 26 game featuring Melbourne and Cronulla-Sutherland achieved ratings of 486k.

    Five AFL finals and one home and away game, and one NRL final make up the remainder of the top 10:

    Foxtel’s top-rating football programs in 2016

    1. AFL – PF – GWS v Western Bulldogs: 565k
    2. AFL – PF – Geelong v Sydney: 497k
    3. NRL – Rd 26 – Melbourne v Cronulla-Sutherland: 486k
    4. AFL – QF – Hawthorn v Geelong: 442k
    5. AFL – EF – West Coast v Western Bulldogs: 439k
    6. AFL – QF – Sydney v GWS: 437k
    7. AFL – SF – Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs: 432k
    8. AFL – SF – Sydney v Adelaide: 403k
    9. AFL – Rd 13 – North Melbourne v Hawthorn: 398k
    10. NRL – SF – Melbourne v Canberra: 375k

    The AFL’s highest rating home-and-away game was the Rd 13 clash between North Melbourne and Hawthorn in 9th spot with ratings of 398k.

    Of the top 100, the NRL took 61 spots, showing that it still bats very deep when it comes to ratings on subscription TV. The AFL took 37 spots.

    Once again, the ARU took two spots, with its highest rating game being a Test between the Wallabies and England, coming in at #33 with ratings of 318k.

    No A-League or Socceroos game makes it into the top 100. The highest rating A-League game was the grand final between Adelaide and the WS Wanderers, coming in at #155 with ratings of 237k.

    The Socceroos game against Japan comes in at #183 with ratings of 224k.

    For Super Rugby, the highest rating game was the Round 2 clash between the Brumbies and the Waratahs coming in at #425.

    I also took the opportunity to do a quick scan of the club football games which had the highest attendances in 2016. These are the 14 club games which had attendances higher than 60k last year:

    Most-attended football matches in 2016

    1. AFL – GF – Sydney vs West Bulldogs: 99,981
    2. AFL – SF – West Bulldogs vs Hawthorn: 87,823
    3. AFL – QF – Geelong v Hawthorn: 87,533
    4. AFL – Rd 5 – Collingwood v Essendon: 85,082
    5. NRL – GF – Cronulla v Melbourne: 83,625
    6. AFL – Rd 1 – Richmond v Carlton: 75,706
    7. AFL – Rd 1 – Geelong v Hawthorn: 74,218
    8. AFL – Rd 2 – Collingwood v Richmond: 72,761
    9. AFL – PF – Geelong v Sydney – 71,722
    10. A-League – Rd 1 – WSW v Sydney FC – 61,880
    11. AFL – Rd 9 – Hawthorn v Sydney – 61,552
    12. AFL – QF – GWS vs Sydney – 60,222
    12. AFL – Rd 7 – Collingwood v Carlton – 60,222
    14. AFL – Rd 12 – Melbourne v Collingwood: 60,158

    Unsurprisingly, the AFL grand final featuring Sydney and the Western Bulldogs tops the list with an attendance a tick under 100,000, followed by two AFL finals.

    The NRL grand final comes in at 5th spot with an attendance of 83,625.

    The highest home-and-away attendance is the ANZAC Day clash between Collingwood and Essendon with an attendance of 85,082.

    The biggest surprise packet of all is this season’s Rd 1 clash between the Western Sydney Wanderers and Sydney FC breaking all records with an attendance of 61,880, finishing in 10th spot on our list.

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    • January 18th 2017 @ 11:05am
      clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

      Get ready for the barage, MF, especially since AFL grabs the majority of spots on all 3 platforms, especially impressive in the attendance – good to see WSW make the top 10. Be interesting to see if any NRL match made the top 20 in the H and A season.

      • Roar Guru

        January 18th 2017 @ 1:41pm
        Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

        It’s a huge achievement for the A-League to have the 10th best attended club football game for 2016. The FFA are likely to make that a regular opening round fixture, so my guess is that the A-League will hold onto that position for a long time to come.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 2:17pm
        HiHo said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

        Since when has 37 out of 100 spots for pay TV been a majority?

        Me thinks Clipper failed maths at school, or as per usual, let his irrational hatred of Rugby League/NRL cloud his judgement.

        Waits for him to Cry “But I only meant the top 10”. Yet the top 10 wasn’t the only metric specified and he didn’t state that in his original comment.

        • January 19th 2017 @ 9:34am
          clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:34am | ! Report

          I can only comment on what I see, obviously if MF had put the full list out I wouldn’t have said that.
          As an aside – do you know if the % share of paytv is increasing for NRL or decreasing, and AFL – is the % share increasing or decreasing?

    • Roar Guru

      January 18th 2017 @ 11:37am
      Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

      This is actually very interesting. Shows the NRL managed to get one hell of a TV rights deal compared to the AFL! Especially considering the AFL has 3 more games p.a. I am a bit surprised by that.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 11:53am
        alicesprings said | January 18th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

        Conversely it could also indicate that the AFL rights are currently undervalued.

        That said the AFL could have also received significantly more if it had given up control of the fixture.

        • Roar Guru

          January 18th 2017 @ 12:11pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

          The NRL gets full control from 2018 onwards which is when the new contract actually begins. It changed recently and 2016 and 2017 were a hybrid of the new one and the old one.

          • January 18th 2017 @ 12:24pm
            alicesprings said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

            Good points.

            If i am correct the upcoming TV rights for both codes expire in 2022?

            Would that make it the first time that the respective codes deals expire in the same year. Will make for interesting negotiations come 2020ish!

            • Roar Guru

              January 18th 2017 @ 12:41pm
              Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:41pm | ! Report

              Correct, it will be very interesting to see how that plays out. When was the last time the broadcast partners changed hands? I can imagine Ch10 having a serious crack at either one or having the ALeague on FTA by then.

              Who knows, by then we may all be paying for FTA or Streaming services. In 5 years there will be big changes.

              I think the AFL one is marginally better for the amount of product offered at $2.5b over 6 compared to the NRL one of $1.8b over 5. Considering its all domestic product as well for the AFL.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 12:48pm
                Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                Surely Channel Nine would want to have a serious crack at the AFL again?

                (They broadcasted the code between 2002 & 2006).

                Since they lost the rights to Seven & Ten… They have lost EVERY year in the ratings.

                Not that they don’t want NRL, but the AFL is more of a premium / ratings guarentee NATIONWIDE.

                Adelaide & WA… Big multi-channel share in WA… Biggest program every year… National code with teams in each major city… Grab back HUGE slices of Melbourne, Adelaide & Perth.

                Melbourne chairman Peter Costello has a lot on his plate at Nine, with two female directors resigning today + after a poor 2016 in ratings and press

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 2:15pm
                Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

                You would think, but who knows with Ch9… they are a bunch of fools.

                I do see the NRL have a team in Perth by 2022 IMO.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 3:44pm
                clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 3:44pm | ! Report

                VH – if the WA Force goes, there will be a NRL team there for sure, otherwise I don’t think there’s enough interest for 2 Rugbies.
                FF – That is interesting – although CH.9 did win a lot pre 2002 as well.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 4:19pm
                bbt said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

                Streaming and the whole digital revolution is the elephant in the room. The main man for one of our top sports told me recently, that within 10 years all major sports will basically operate their own broadcast channels. They will then divide up the feeds to FTA, PTV, streaming, whatever.

                He also stated that having a big international presence will be the cherry on top. Thus cricket is looking good – 1 Billion plus Indians, as is RU and Soccer. He thought that NRL and AFL may struggle to match the big dollars they currently receive.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 4:38pm
                Truth Bomb said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

                What sport was the “main man” from bbt? An international one?

                I’d be very surprised if regional dominance and supremacy within the code does not continue to provide a premium return for sports “content”

                Even the EPL, which would have many many times the audience overseas than domestically, still gets 40% of its tv rights from England.

                HAL games may even rate more overseas than the AFL and NRL but no body is actually going to pay for them. They’ll watch them because it is the only live option at the time of their favourite sport and it is on their telly.

                Union and particularly cricket are a bit different because they are world class.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 6:10pm
                bbt said | January 18th 2017 @ 6:10pm | ! Report

                The “main man” was from a sport with a good international presence – so I guess that he would say that. But he was referencing the fact that FTV is struggling and it is doubtful will pay the big dollars in the future. Ditto Foxtel is coming under pressure from Netflix etc, so may not have too many spare dollars.
                It makes sense for major sporting bodies to control their own broadcast.

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 6:25pm
                Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 6:25pm | ! Report


                FTA is certainly trending that way. Fox might end up that way, but it is also in the ISP game, so it can go down the route of IP TV any time it wants (and provides it to certain degree already).

                The AFL read the tea leaves a long time ago and that’s why it set up the AFL Media unit, it will be as well positioned when the time comes as any sport in Australia.

                The ARU is already earning about half of its broadcast revenue from overseas.

                The A-League currently earns about $1 mill per annum from overseas broadcast rights, and that might double in the next deal, but as TB says above, it’s hard to imagine any overseas country paying big dollars for A-League content when:

                1. they either have their own domestic league; and/or
                2. they have any of the big six soccer leagues to worry about.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 6:44pm
                bbt said | January 18th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

                Fair point about FFA (Soccer) and its international appeal. I guess the trick to having international income, of any magnitude, is being the best competition in a sport that has international appeal. Probably Cricket and RU have the best potential.

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 9:30pm
                Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

                @FF, interestingly enough 7 over took 9 as the most popular channel in 2007. Not much of a surprise when you go from broadcasting the 2 biggest sporting competitions in the country to just 1. But what IS interesting is that 7 and 10 had 2 matches each per round in 2007-2011. So it was a real varied split.

                MF, I have done some prelim checks and it seems GC is regional and separate to Brisbane.

          • January 18th 2017 @ 12:34pm
            clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

            Don’t forget, VH, that the AFL took less to ensure that games in NSW and QLD were shown live, otherwise I doubt the networks would do it, don’t think the NRL have done that for VIC in their new contract.

            • Roar Guru

              January 18th 2017 @ 12:44pm
              Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

              All games for the NRL are shown live of PTV except for 2 weeks of the finals and Origin. But I think you mean FTA? In which case I am honestly not sure but the big Thursday and Friday games along with a Sunday game are shown live on FTA.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 12:52pm
                clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                Yes, meant Storm games in Melbourne on FTA, ratings are low, so they shunt them off to a later slot – no doubt 7 would do they same to games up here if it wasn’t for that clause.

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm
                Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                I don’t think they would not play games live they are contracted to. But I wouldnt be surprised if they are played on GEM.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 12:12pm
        gyfox said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

        Vincent – the reason the NRL got such a good deal for the TV rights is that it includes State of Origin & international games. If these were not included the $$$ for NRL rights would be 1/2, I reckon. Strictly speaking, SOO is not part of the NRL, so it is more correct to say that NRL got just 1 rating in the top 10 FTA viewers.

        • Roar Guru

          January 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

          This is true, but strictly speaking the SOO is part of the NRL. Its been part of the season structure for over 30 years so its hard to argue against it not being so.

          And not all international games are included in the deal. The RLWC2017 was recently purchased by 7? I think.

          Im not arguing about who’s was better and is the greatest. I am just surprised thats AFLs dominance on the ratings didnt have more of a dominance on the cheques. It piqued my interest.

          • Roar Guru

            January 18th 2017 @ 1:50pm
            Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

            But neither is completely dominant as far as ratings go, and the NRL has SOO, so ultimately, the slight edge the AFL has in the value of the broadcast rights reflects where the market is at (and where it has been for 25 years).

            • January 18th 2017 @ 5:33pm
              Mark said | January 18th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

              The big events draw the biggest bucks.

              The AFL has more consistently high rating games. But when it comes to the highest rating games, the NRL has four while the AFL has only one.

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 5:41pm
                Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

                I think that’s a reasonable way of looking at it, and it’s probably been like that for at least a decade (probably longer).

                The changes from year to year are pretty marginal.

                I’ve been doing this review for three or four years now, and it always looks pretty similar in broad terms – a few spots swap around here and there, but there’s no massive change one way or the other.

        • January 18th 2017 @ 4:15pm
          Truth Bomb said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

          I think 1/2 is a more than a bit of a stretch but it must be a big driver…SOO that is, I would have thought the kangaroos games would have minimal impact on ratings

          • January 18th 2017 @ 4:53pm
            Truth Bomb said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

            *impact on rights $

      • January 18th 2017 @ 12:27pm
        Football Forever said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

        you need to look at all games not just the top 10

      • Roar Guru

        January 18th 2017 @ 1:39pm
        Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

        As another poster mentions, you have to look at total ratings, not just the top 10, and on the Fox side, the NRL dominates with 61 of the top 100 ratings for live broadcasts.

        The big advance the AFL made this year was with its finals, they had record ratings for finals (in total) across all platforms. At a guess, I’d say that was a mixture of the dogs’ record run and having the two Sydney sides in the top 4.

        • Roar Guru

          January 18th 2017 @ 2:19pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

          I was merely expressing my surprise, I honestly thought t would be swayed towards the AFL more, and I did say in a nother post before that I do think AFL got the better deal.

          And when I was looking atr it I was considering the AFL ratings where very high compared to the NRLs, on a slightly better $/game, so you would think that means the NRL gets better.

          Do you know what the average viewership was per game across 2016 for each of these codes?

    • January 18th 2017 @ 12:06pm
      Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

      Of all the figures…

      Whilst yes, the AFL GF number (5 city metro alone) is huge, the biggest TV program since MKR finale in 2013 & biggest AFL number since 2006 AFL GF…

      That 565k on Fox Footy was a RECORD! In fact, it was also the 3rd biggest subscription TV program EVER!

      2016 was a great year for the AFL, Channel Seven & Foxtel, especially finishing off the last broadcast deal.

      (NRL need to put a team in South Australia & WA fast + another team in Melbourne! AFL GF numbers in both Sydney & Brisbane alone were impressive).

      • January 18th 2017 @ 2:22pm
        Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

        In 2015 Rugby League had the top 3 places with the AFL coming in 4th. The only reason the AFL got up to number one is because of the Fairytale of the Bulldogs. So enjoy it while it lasts because Rugby League will take back its rightful spot as the most watched on Australian TV in 2017.

        TOP 10 PROGRAMS OF 2015

        1. State of Origin 2nd Match: Nine

        2. Rugby League Grand Final: Nine

        3. State of Origin 1st Match: Nine

        4. AFL Grand Final: Seven

        5. State of Origin 3rd Match: Nine

        6. My Kitchen Rules Winner Announced: Seven

        7. My Kitchen Rules Grand Final: Seven

        8. 2015 Melbourne Cup Race: Seven

        9. The Block Triple Threat Winner Announced: Nine

        10. AFL Grand Final Presentations: Seven

        • January 18th 2017 @ 3:00pm
          clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

          I think the time they’re played has a lot to do with it. That AFL is played on Saturday afternoon and yet still mostly wins the GF is pretty amazing considering the NRL final is on prime time. When both are prime time we can compare more fairly.

          • January 18th 2017 @ 4:19pm
            Truth Bomb said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

            Also, I personally didn’t watch the last half of the AFL 2015 grand final it was such a walkover, where as the NRL GF was one of the all time greats

            • January 25th 2017 @ 4:40pm
              Jonno said | January 25th 2017 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

              Ben Cummins strikes again…

        • January 18th 2017 @ 4:55pm
          Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

          NRL GF has never beaten the AFL GF and never will…

          I am talking the official OzTam ratings (which I believe are 5 city metro).

          In fact, the highest NRL GF has ever achieved is 2.5m (last year) & SOO 2.6m (Game 1 last year I believe).

          Yet the AFL GF broke the record back over a decade ago – 2005 AFL GF (which remains the highest-rating AFL / NRL game ever).

          Note: You posted this post and link twice.

          NICE TRY 😉

          • January 18th 2017 @ 6:22pm
            Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

            @ Footy Fan.

            As a Brainwashed Victorian who thinks the world revolves around Melbourne and the AFL I can understand why you would think the way you do.

            But If you’re not going to include the metro and regionals then you will stay Brainwashed and wrong.

            NICE TRY ?

            • January 18th 2017 @ 7:54pm
              Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 7:54pm | ! Report

              This article is talking the 5 city metro (AS CLEARLY STATED) & as has always been the way when discussing television audiences.

              NRL GF has never beaten the AFL GF.

              And never will.

              Fair enough comment based off every other year since the current ratings system began in 2001.


              (I live in NSW by the way).

              NICE TRY 😉

              • January 18th 2017 @ 8:28pm
                Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 8:28pm | ! Report

                @ Footy Fan, But you come from Victoria and now live in NSW which leads you to bitterness towards the NRL. Yes there are football codes better then the AFL.
                NICE TRY ?

              • January 18th 2017 @ 10:09pm
                Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

                I’m sorry your so envious.


                Let’s move on.

                (NICE TRY 😉 )

          • January 19th 2017 @ 2:12am
            jeff milton said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:12am | ! Report

            congrats on being a “footy fan” . enjoy ballarat or moe or wherever you live

            • January 19th 2017 @ 11:43am
              Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:43am | ! Report

              Castle Hill, NSW 🙂

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            January 19th 2017 @ 11:54am
            Renegade said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

            It’s actually the other way around FF.

            More PEOPLE watch the the NRL GF…. you can filter it to 5 city metro if you like but if you don’t include the regionals then you may as well not include Adelaide.

            • January 19th 2017 @ 2:40pm
              Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:40pm | ! Report

              Um… No it’s not and never has been?

              Look back over the years to 2001 (when the current OzTam ratings began).

              Latest for you:

              2016 AFL GF:

              National: 4.2m
              Metro: 3.2m
              Regional: 1.05m

              2016 NRL GF:

              National: 3.6m
              Metro: 2.5m
              Regional: 1.15m

              CASE CLOSED 🙂

    • January 18th 2017 @ 12:16pm
      alicesprings said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

      Not sure ‘convenient’ is the word.

      The current foxtel deal involves the broadcasting of finals(excluding the grand final) for the first time. Hence those 7 high ratting games.

    • January 18th 2017 @ 12:29pm
      waterboy said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

      Just confirming these figures are just capital cities or do not include the regionals?

      • January 18th 2017 @ 12:31pm
        clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

        Don’t bring in the regionals – it’s only one small step from there to Vichy France!

      • Roar Guru

        January 18th 2017 @ 12:53pm
        Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

        Correct – I do mention it’s 5 City Metro for FTA. Fox figures are national.

        • Roar Guru

          January 18th 2017 @ 2:13pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

          Its actually an interesting point you raise. I know the regional numbers probably dont provide a hell of a lot of boost, but the AFL has 1 regional team in Geelong and you could argue Freo as well and the NRL has NQ, Canberra (not in the 5CM), Newcastle and St George and then NZ in the international market. The Aleague has CC, Newy, Wellington

          • January 18th 2017 @ 2:28pm
            Agent11 said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

            Freo is not regional, it is well inside Perth. Parramatta is further away from sydney CBD than Freo is to Perth.

        • January 18th 2017 @ 2:43pm
          Mike said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

          The NRL gets massive regional ratings by virtue of the fact NSW & Qld have much bigger regional populations than the AFL states. They also have 4 teams based in regional areas including StG Illawarra who encompass Wollongong and the South Coast.

          I”m pretty sure that Wookies total ratings figures including regionals had RL many millions ahead of the AFL despite playing fewer games. Regional figures are very important in the final analysis.

          • January 18th 2017 @ 2:46pm
            Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

            Yep, Very true Mike. These figures are rubbery at best!

          • January 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm
            clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

            There’s a few points you’re missing.
            Quite a few regionals overlap
            AFL is bigger in NSW, QLD than NRL in VIC, SA, WA, especially sth coast NSW
            AFL has a fair following in Cairns
            AFL is far ahead in NT
            etc, etc.

            • January 18th 2017 @ 3:25pm
              Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 3:25pm | ! Report

              @ clipper. “AFL is bigger in NSW, QLD than NRL in VIC, SA, WA”

              Exactly! That just shows what a TV ratings machine the Rugby League is.

              Over the next 5-10 years as the NRL gets a bigger foot print in VIC, SA, WA areas the TV ratings will blow the AFL out of the water.

              “AFL is far ahead in NT” WRONG!!!!!
              As someone form the NT I know people watch both NRL & AFL. Its very even.

              “AFL has a fair following in Cairns” Only if you include the expat Vic’s who now call the area home.

              You forgot to add the ACT which is RUGBY LEAGUE by far 😉

              • January 18th 2017 @ 3:40pm
                clipper said | January 18th 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

                5-10 years ago the same things were said, been hardly any gain there.
                As you’re very pro league and anti AFL I will take the other comments with a grain of salt.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 4:49pm
                alicesprings said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

       cant be serious regarding league being as popular as Aussie rules in the NT.

                AFL is more popular here than in Victoria!

              • January 18th 2017 @ 4:59pm
                Truth Bomb said | January 18th 2017 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

                The RL has actually achieved a bigger foot print in the AFL states in the last decade though solely through the SOO. The NRL I doubt has experienced any growth beyond perhaps some interstate migration effect

              • January 18th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                @ Clipper

                “5-10 years ago the same things were said, been hardly any gain there.”

                Are you talking about what we were told about the Gold Coast Suns winning the GF in 5 years and together with the Lions would rule Queensland.

                As you’re very pro AFL and anti NRL I always take all your other comments with a grain of salt.

              • January 18th 2017 @ 7:33pm
                duecer said | January 18th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

                Craigo – a small tip. When arguing for your obviously preferred sport, don’t make outlandish claims, as they will be found out. There is no way that RL and AFL are even in NT, it’s not close. Fair enough clipper is pro AFL and anti RL and you’re pro RL and anti AFL, it just makes other, more reasonable statements seem doubtful. I would say the same to others that make wild exaggerations.

              • Roar Guru

                January 18th 2017 @ 7:35pm
                Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

                TB makes a good point, SOO gets very good ratings in Melbourne.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 12:59pm
        offsider said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

        You cant have regional figures for FTA because AFL wouldnt be at the top.
        Same as you can’t have State of Origin crowds or football friendlies. crowds because it would knock some of the AFL games of the list.

        • January 18th 2017 @ 1:30pm
          Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:30pm | ! Report


          Even with regional added… The AFL is still at the top!

          4.2m for the Grand Final.

          Yes, some of the positions would change.

          As well as all finals & lots of home and away games (mainly Friday night).

          Also gets even bigger when you add Fox Footy’s numbers.

          • January 19th 2017 @ 2:14am
            jeff milton said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:14am | ! Report

            congrats again, do you think australia will win the next world cup?

            • January 19th 2017 @ 11:46am
              Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

              When is NRL going to get the same ratings as the AFL?

              It seems like never…

              One day perhaps, if it becomes relevant nationwide, including a team in South Australia and WA.

              NRL GFs have been averaging just over 2m since the current ratings began in 2001 & AFL GFs have been averaging around 3m.


              • January 19th 2017 @ 12:11pm
                Agent11 said | January 19th 2017 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

                The 2015 NRL grand final had higher total national ratings than the AFL one so your statement is already incorrect.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm
                Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

                Again sorry, no.

                As we have been saying (and we’ll keep saying it until you get the point)…

                Since the current ratings system (OzTam – the official industry measure) began in 2001…

                The AFL GF has trumped NRL every year!

                CASE CLOSED 🙂

        • January 18th 2017 @ 2:42pm
          Craigo said | January 18th 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

          Very True Offsider. The indoctrinated AFL fans don’t Like The Truth, thats why in 2016 the Author never posted the the most watch sports of 2015 because the AFL came 4th!!!

          1. State of Origin 2nd Match: Nine

          2. Rugby League Grand Final: Nine

          3. State of Origin 1st Match: Nine

          4. AFL Grand Final: Seven

          • January 18th 2017 @ 8:00pm
            Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 8:00pm | ! Report


            What’s the biggest AFL / NRL game of all time?

            2005 AFL GF (3.4m metro / 4.45m national).

            …Daylight second.

            How about last year?

            2016 AFL GF: 3.2m (metro) & 4.2m (national).

            Shall we go on? 🙂

        • January 18th 2017 @ 7:39pm
          duecer said | January 18th 2017 @ 7:39pm | ! Report

          It would be interesting to have regionals added, it sure wouldn’t be a problem to do (although regional samples might be quite small to give an accurate picture), but I think the advertisers dictate that what they want is the 5 city metro breakdown, this is what they base their worth on.

          • January 19th 2017 @ 11:52am
            Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

            Regionals added:

            2016 AFL GF (Sydney vs. Bulldogs)

            Metro: 3.2m
            Regional: 1.05m
            National: 4.205m

            2016 NRL GF (Melbourne vs. Cronulla)

            Metro: 2.5m
            Regional: 1.15m
            National: 3.65m

            CLEAR AS DAY 🙂

        • Roar Guru

          January 19th 2017 @ 8:34am
          The_Wookie said | January 19th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

          Actually you cant have regional figures for the AFL because most of them arent reported by anyone.

          this provides an estimated total for boith codes using known data.

          Top 10
          1. AFL GF
          2. Origin
          3. NRL GF
          4. Origin
          5. Orign
          6. AFL Prelim
          7. AFL Prelim
          8. AFL Semi
          9. AFL QF
          10. NRL Semi

          Top 10 – AFL 5, NRL 5
          Top 20 – AFL 10, NRL 10.

      • Roar Guru

        January 18th 2017 @ 1:14pm
        Cat said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

        All ratings are a joke anyway. OxTam has 3,500 metro ‘panel homes’ and 1,413 national STV homes, these 4,913 homes allegedly tell us what the roughly 18.7 million working television sets in private dwellings in Australia are watching at any point. If tv ratings’ were any other statistical measure that small number of participants would be statistically irrelevant; the margin or error would exceed them.

        • January 18th 2017 @ 1:40pm
          Pedro said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

          What is the alternative ?

          • Roar Guru

            January 18th 2017 @ 1:48pm
            Mister Football said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report


            with time, we’ll have accurate online numbers broken down to the minute, but for the time being, it’s FTA which still continues to attract the big advertising budgets, puts signifcant money into NRL and AFL coffers, and also offers their sponsors the most exposure.

            It’s the best we have right now, and the big advertisers and sponsors pay attention to these numbers.

        • Roar Guru

          January 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | January 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

          Honestly the OZTAM 5CM only includes 60% of the population, so I take it all with a grain of salt, It is really hard to get a good true rating for TV in any case.

          • Roar Guru

            January 19th 2017 @ 2:41pm
            Cat said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

            but that 60% of the population is only represented by 3,500 panels homes. For every 1 panels home that turns on a specific program it extrapolates out to representing approx. 4884 doing the same thing.

            Example: If a show allegedly had 3 million people watch it, then 614 panel homes tuned it on.

            If 21 panel homes turn on a certain program allegedly this means 102,564 people did.

            The accuracy of this is highly dubious.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 9:01pm
        Rick Diznek said | January 18th 2017 @ 9:01pm | ! Report

        Yes which is why AFL types like them. They are a distortion. Regionals need to be included for the full picture.

        • January 18th 2017 @ 10:12pm
          Footy Fan said | January 18th 2017 @ 10:12pm | ! Report

          What don’t you people get?

          The AFL still wins with regional added, because the metro was high to begin with…


          2016 AFL GF: 4.2m national

          2016 NRL GF: 3.6m national

          CASE CLOSED.

          • January 19th 2017 @ 2:14am
            jeff milton said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:14am | ! Report

            i will send you 20 bucks to throw a party

          • January 19th 2017 @ 9:09am
            Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

            By all means continue to look at half the picture to try and prove your pro AFL perspective

            • January 19th 2017 @ 9:20am
              clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

              What’s to prove – those are the figures with regionals added for the AFL GF which was played on Sat. afternoon as opposed to the NRL GF which was played in prime time – what is the other half of your pro NRL picture?

              • January 19th 2017 @ 11:53am
                Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                Exactly 🙂

                AFL first…

                Daylight second…

              • January 19th 2017 @ 12:09pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

                Still crying after being beaten up re the SCG etc I see. lol

                There is nothing pro NRL about it.

                By all means you continue to look at half the evidence…

              • January 19th 2017 @ 12:44pm
                clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

                Well, RD is you think that 7 for my view against your point is being beaten up re the SCG, so be it (for those that want to know the reality, the exchange was here )
                We”re waiting to hear what the other half of the evidence is.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 1:18pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

                Yeah you did very well.

                Agreed with the premise of the article. Wrong.

                Claimed Sydney was not predominantly a rugby league city. Wrong.

                Claimed rugby league does not have 1 million participants. Wrong.

                Yeah you did very, very well in a Trumpian sense.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 1:51pm
                clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

                Well, 7 others agreed with me against your lone voice. BTW, I didn’t say league wasn’t be biggest sport in Sydney, I said it wasn’t dominant and that Sydney is an all code city. Please look down at The Wookies figures for attendance in Melbourne and Sydney and see what dominance is and what an all code city is – pretty open and shut case. Most agreed that league doesn’t have 1 million participants, even if you falsely include Touch, which is a different sport.
                Still waiting for the other half of the evidence.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 2:03pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                You also claimed touch football is not a form of rugby league. Wrong.

                You also confused participation with spectator sports. Wrong.

                You also used attendance as the sole indicator of interest. Wrong.

                Lol, going well.

                I am not your secretary. The evidence is available with a simple Google search.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 2:10pm
                clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

                Just because you (continually) say it’s wrong, does not make it wrong.
                I have not used attendance as the sole means (which seems strange when you keep arguing with me over participation) – participation, membership, merchandise, tv numbers all have a place
                There is no evidence via a Google search, as it isn’t there, you can’t admit that it doesn’t exist.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 4:34pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 4:34pm | ! Report

                You can’t rebut a single point. Otherwise feel free to go back into the thread and state your hopeless case again.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 4:39pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

                So typical you try to run the now ancient line to ignore regionals. Can’t you blokes come up with anything new? lol

              • January 19th 2017 @ 4:43pm
                clipper said | January 19th 2017 @ 4:43pm | ! Report

                Please Note RD – this is from Footy Fan
                Regionals added:

                2016 AFL GF (Sydney vs. Bulldogs)

                Metro: 3.2m
                Regional: 1.05m
                National: 4.205m

                2016 NRL GF (Melbourne vs. Cronulla)

                Metro: 2.5m
                Regional: 1.15m
                National: 3.65m
                I really can’t fathom what you can’t understand – regionals are added and AFL is still in front, feel free to rebut in give us the ‘other half of the evidence’ – whatever that may be.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 5:16pm
                Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

                I know…

                Typical non-true sport fans, the NSW Rugby drongos…

                So envious & always will be.


              • January 19th 2017 @ 5:22pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

                Envious of getting 91,500 to a game of RL at the MCG. Nup done that. You might like to point out AFLs crowds of that size outside Victoria. I have it on good authority it will soon happen in China… PS. Not even from NSW. lol

              • Roar Guru

                January 19th 2017 @ 5:28pm
                Mister Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

                The MCG is Australia’s sporting cathedral.

              • January 19th 2017 @ 7:53pm
                Footy Fan said | January 19th 2017 @ 7:53pm | ! Report

                That’s not a bonus for NRL…

                That’s a bonus for the MCG & Melbourne 🙂

                I went down there a couple of years ago… It was amazing.

              • Roar Guru

                January 19th 2017 @ 5:32pm
                Mister Football said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

                Firstly, you are talking mainly to League supporters.

                Secondly, do not direct any personal insults at anyone.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 2:35pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

                They aren’t RL supports, both are mere trolls and poor quality ones at that…

              • January 19th 2017 @ 5:21pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 19th 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

                That’s great. Now please identify where I even mentioned those particular games. I was talking about the approach to the matter generally. You can’t exclude regionals as you look at a portion of the evidence. You would get laughed out of the room in my profession. lol

              • January 19th 2017 @ 6:42pm
                duecer said | January 19th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                I remember getting involved in the ‘moore park’ debate – what a mistake that was!
                Rick, as I’ve mentioned to somebody above, if you’re going to throw around wild figures and have a go at people, all it’s going to do is weaken all your other, reasonable, arguments.
                I. too, was quite sceptical when clipper put forward their view on Sydney no longer being RL dominant, but he/she backed up their view with figures and links, and I can see the point now.
                If you provide proper figures and links to back up your claims, then you will have a better chance of getting your point across (i.e. the figures that include regionals that put the 2016 NRL GF ahead of the AFL one)

              • January 20th 2017 @ 2:27pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                I suggest you go read the thread again. Clipper was hosed out totally as summarised above. He’s been too scared to go back since.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 2:52pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

                Which figure is wild?

                The NRL annual reports from 2014 and 2015 record participation as 1.3 and 1.4 million respectively. It is fully verifiable.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:51pm
                Sydneysider said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

                “The NRL annual reports from 2014 and 2015 record participation as 1.3 and 1.4 million respectively. It is fully verifiable.”

                Participation……. ah yes….. every sport declares “participation” as growing. Cricket, AFL, soccer, rugby, tennis….

                all these sports have increased “participation”.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:54pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                Union is dying so not sure where you get that from but thanks Andrew Hore lol

              • Roar Guru

                January 20th 2017 @ 8:43pm
                Mister Football said | January 20th 2017 @ 8:43pm | ! Report

                The numbers for the Wallabies still look very healthy, but rugby definitely needs a jump in its Super Rugby numbers this year, and I think it can get it.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 9:06am
                clipper said | January 20th 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

                RD – you answered directly under Footy Fan who had just posted the figures for the GF – nothing else. What were we meant to think – you had plenty of times after that to correct if you thought it was a misrepresentation. To most people it now looks like you’re back peddling as you can’t find the evidence to back your POV.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 2:53pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

                The other half of the evidence is regionals.

                Added to the 5 city metro, which favours AFL, it is clear the biggest TV sport in Australia remains rugby league.

                The cumulative figures are even in this thread.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 3:29pm
                Truth Bomb said | January 20th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report


                The figures in this thread include very incomplete regional ratings data from the Wookie’s website

                If you look at the finals numbers, which apparently do include all regional’s, the NRL got 4.29 million to the AFL’s 3.73 – that is, 15% more

                Throughout the regular season the, numbers for the NRL had 12.95M to the AFL’s 4.77M…clearly that’s not right and, when you look at the actually recordings in the rounds, you can see there are massive holes, including in the Leagues ratings

                Of course, aggregating the average ratings for a two hour games and comparing it with the same for a 3 hour game is wrong as has also been noted in this thread

                Like I noted in a previous post, on Fridays and Finals when its like for like (the 3 hour thing aside) the AFL has the NRL reasonably comfortably covered

                The NRL gets closish to the AFL’s TV revenue (though not next year mind you where the NRL is still in the last year of its previous deal and will get under half the AFL’s $425M) due to having 3 grand final like ratings for the SOO.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:43pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:43pm | ! Report

                Wrong. The cumulative figures are:

                112 million NRL
                107 million AFL

                Which do you think is higher?

              • January 20th 2017 @ 3:23pm
                clipper said | January 20th 2017 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

                At least we’re getting somewhere instead of going around in circles.
                Do you now agree the AFL GF had more viewers than the NRL GF?
                It still isn’t clear that NRL is the clear winner with TV figures that include regionals. Firstly they are hard to ascertain, secondly, some overlap.
                Please take a look at the table with regional figures from The Wookie.
                this provides an estimated total for boith codes using known data.


                As you will see:
                Top 10 – AFL 5, NRL 5
                Top 20 – AFL 10, NRL 10

                BTW, Footy Fan, RD is not a Rugby person, he is a league person. I know outside NSW and QLD most people don’t know the difference, but Rugby, Rugby League and Touch are all different sports, and quite different demographics, even though sometimes they are lumped together under the Rugby umbrella.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 3:36pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

                I haven’t even looked at the respective 2016 GFs, nor did I ever comment on it, but the cumulative figures are not only available but clearly show RL is ahead of AFL with regionals. Given the cumulative figures are in this thread they shouldn’t be too hard for even you to find.

                You seem totally unaware that rugby league includes touch football. If you have an issue I suggest you get writing to each body. lol

                Get back to me once you have read the reports referred to above.

                Then feel free to dip back into the thread where I earlier hosed you out on these issues.

                Btw it is rugby league, which includes touch – a version of non tackle RL – and rugby union and has been since 1895. Perhaps time you got with it?

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:34pm
                clipper said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:34pm | ! Report

                That is incorrect RD, you commented directly below Footy Fan’s post comparing the 2 finals.
                The Wookie has provided a link (as I posted above). Do you have a link that shows that NRL is clearly ahead with regionals – I’m quite willing to believe it with the correct link proving it.
                Touch is a variant of Rugby, which I agree, did spring up from league, just like league was a variant of Rugby which sprung from Rugby after the split in 1908. They have different rules and are different games – otherwise the government would count them together when reporting on sport participation which they use for funding. Here is the link for the latest figures I can find – Note: nowhere near the figures you reported, and are from an independant source.
                See – despite you, and you alone, think you are hosing me down (whatever that means), I actually supply links and believable information. I challenge you to do the same.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                I can’t help where mods stick the comment.

                Check out the cumulative figures above.

                You are clearly no history buff. lol

                It actually went like this:

                – pre 1895 there was rugby
                – in 1895 the sport cleaved in two to form rugby league and rugby union
                – in 1963 touch grew out of rugby league, not rugby union, in Australia

              • January 20th 2017 @ 6:44pm
                Truth bomb said | January 20th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

                I played in two mixed touch teams in Melbourne a few years back.

                In one team Youd be lucky if a majority of the players would have known they were playing a non contact derivative of rugby football. I’d be very surprised if a majority new the difference between league and union.

                In the other team they were all union players playing touch in the summer

              • January 21st 2017 @ 9:04am
                Agent11 said | January 21st 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

                yeah many union players play touch. Strange that some of them think the rules of League are too simple and below them but they are happy to play touch which basically has the same rules except no kicking.

              • January 21st 2017 @ 5:05pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 21st 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

                It is interesting how the minds of bigots work isn’t it? It is pretty funny to think of people who hate rugby league like Fitzsimons adding to the number of overall participants.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 4:53pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 20th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

                By all means keep quoting those ABS figures – the thread you won’t go on set out why they are totally inaccurate and incomplete.

                I am not going to repeat myself again here.

              • January 20th 2017 @ 8:36pm
                duecer said | January 20th 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

                That’s interesting – 112 compared to 107, around 4.6 per cent more. Don’t know if that’s really a clear win considering overlaps, double ups etc, but, if correct that is indeed more. Do you have the link to that data, otherwise it could be just a figure plucked out of the air. The 5 figure metro is easy enough to get, but one with regionals added is much harder.
                I find it hard that you want to rubbish the abs figures, yet put forward figures supplied by the NRL. As most of us know, any sporting organisation – AFL, ARU, FFA, TA are going to inflate figures to further their cause. I know many people rubbish the Auskick figures, probably justly, so it is much better to gain an independent report.

              • January 21st 2017 @ 10:49am
                duecer said | January 21st 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

                Agent 11 – you missed the most important one – no tackling. There are also no scums, no drop goals etc etc. Also plenty of mixed comps, something you wouldn’t get with RL or RU. Quite different really, funny that a lot of RU players wouldn’t know it came from RL!

              • January 21st 2017 @ 1:50pm
                northerner said | January 21st 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

                I’m not quite sure where all this started or why, but I do have a couple of comments.

                First. Rugby League and Touch Football are related, but they are treated and funded separately by the Australian Sports Commission. For example, in the 2016/17 f/y, League will get $1026250 for high performance activities and $650,000 for partipation, while Touch will get zero for high performance and $650,000 for participation.


                Second, Rugby League does not have over 1 million participants. The Australian Sports Commission recently published a report on sports participation in Australia. Of the top 20 sports for participation, touch football ranks 18th with 402,756. Rugby League doesn’t make the list. Of the top 20 sports for kids, League ranks 11th, with 126,754 participants. Of the top club sports, touch ranks 8th with 271,628 and League ranks 10th with 247,883. Even if you combined the two figures (and, as I said, the ASC treats them separately for funding), League would still rank behind football, golf, AFL, netball, tennis, cricket and basketball.

                And here’s the source; See pages 14, 15 and 16.

              • January 21st 2017 @ 4:19pm
                Truth Bomb said | January 21st 2017 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

                Well, I’m pretty dirty on the allocation of public money by the asc. Shooting gets more money than cricket, Aus football and league combined!

                They seem to have slashed almost 10% of the participation budget in one fell. Not proportionally of course. Very rich foreign sports like basketball and soccer went up or stayed the same…likewise sports that only the priveledged have access to like equestrian rowing and sailing. The who’s who of traditional Australian sports all whacked hard

                The good old fashioned Australian cultural cringe…valuing ephemeral, no-one-else-gives-a-shit-anyway jingoistic moments once every four years over the intrinsic cultural value of history

              • January 21st 2017 @ 5:08pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 21st 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                Gee you are a bit on the slow side aren’t you? I have already dealt with those figures which you then re-quote. Brilliant.

                Touch is indeed separate but it is under the umbrella of rugby league and has been for a number of years. Clearly news travels slowly to some here… Lol

            • January 21st 2017 @ 5:16pm
              northerner said | January 21st 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

              No, touch doesn’t come under the umbrella of league except in the mind of league. And no, you haven’t dealt with the numbers. I for one am going to trust the ASC’s figures on participation a whole lot more than some self serving numbers from the NRL. But I guess you can believe what you need to believe.

              By the way, why have you hijacked another guy’s handle? Not confident anyone will pay you any attention unless you piggyback on his name?

              • January 22nd 2017 @ 12:50pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 22nd 2017 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

                And the mind of touch. lol

                You blokes really have nothing. Union supporters in Australia look more and more desperate each year.

                Very funny.

              • January 22nd 2017 @ 1:26pm
                northerner said | January 22nd 2017 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

                So, in other words, you have no response at all to the facts I’ve provided. As to the name hijacking, well, that’s your business, but it does rather reduce your credibility.

              • January 22nd 2017 @ 1:32pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 22nd 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

                No I don’t like repeating myself. Every attempt you have raised has already been rebutted in my extensive posts.

                As for your views on my ‘handle’, I couldn’t care less. Lol

              • January 22nd 2017 @ 3:58pm
                northerner said | January 22nd 2017 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                You do understand that there is a difference between simply saying something is wrong, repeatedly, and actually rebutting it? I have produced the latest figures from a comprehensive study undertaken by the government, comparing real participation figures, like with like, among a whole range of sports. You have nothing but a report, bought and paid for by the NRL. I know which is the more trustworthy. And as for Touch being part of League, if that were so, they wouldn’t have to made a partnership arrangement to work together to improve participation now would they?

              • January 23rd 2017 @ 3:01pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 23rd 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

                Gee that 1.4 million really hurts you don’t it? Lol

              • January 23rd 2017 @ 9:21am
                clipper said | January 23rd 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

                northerner – I have actually notified the other ‘rick’. Although it is spelled slightly differently, I thought the same. Rick Disnick replied that he thought the other Rick was a ‘rugby league hommie’ and that the writing style was so different that no one would confuse the two.
                I totally agree with that – the original Rick is reasoned and provides verifiable data from independent sources, unlike Rick Diznek who just throws figures in, has no independent verifiable sources and links to back up those figures and who thinks by saying ‘you’re wrong’ is all you need to do to win an argument – unfortunately, in the real world, this is not so.

              • January 23rd 2017 @ 3:00pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 23rd 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

                So you still have nothing I see? All code 11,000 spectators and 0 on TV. lol

              • January 23rd 2017 @ 3:27pm
                clipper said | January 23rd 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

                so.. you still have no verifiable figures, just wild ones you made up, even though you have had countless chances to enlighten us. So far 14 people say you’re wrong, you’re the only one that thinks you’re right – but keep trying to convince everyone.

              • January 23rd 2017 @ 5:52pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 23rd 2017 @ 5:52pm | ! Report

                I see you disagree with the content of two documents I referred you to and I am wrong? haha

                Feel free to add another post claiming nothing.

              • January 24th 2017 @ 9:25am
                clipper said | January 24th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

                I don’t know why you don’t understand, as I and other posters have pointed out the NRL ‘review’ is meaningless and not independent. It would be like asking Benson and Hedges if smoking was as bad as they say. Both the AFL and FFA annual reports have participation at way over 1m, even without having to include other sports, but you have to take those figures with a grain of salt.
                If you do have a link to an independent source, please provide it, otherwise my original comments stand and you are wrong.

              • January 24th 2017 @ 1:55pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 24th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

                AFL figures include the kicking drill that is Auskick and soccer participation levels have always been the highest of the football codes. Sorry I provided the evidence, it is up to you to rebut it. And you can’t. Shame. Also keep running from the SCG thread too. Hilarious.

              • January 24th 2017 @ 1:55pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 24th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

                And it doesn’t matter how many aliases you use…

              • January 24th 2017 @ 2:03pm
                clipper said | January 24th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                So.. the AFL can’t include Auskick, but the NRL can include touch? Some weird logic there.
                The ‘evidence’ you supplied has already been rebutted – you have not supplied any independent sources, just NRL beat ups.
                I’ve been using clipper for many more years than your hijacked moniker, I don’t need to use aliases. If you have been around other tabs you would see these other names as well, don’t know if they would appreciated being referred to as my aliases!

              • January 24th 2017 @ 4:20pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 24th 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

                It is YOUR logic. AFL figures do include Auskick – a kicking drill not a variation of the game. The NRL includes touch – universally acknowledged as touch rugby league (bar the lying RFU). lol

                Both NRL and touch acknowledge the relationship. It is hardly an ‘NRL beat up’. lol

                You really have nothing do you? lol

                I am sure you have been running the aliases for sometime; others have pointed out your pathological hatred of rugby league. It bleeds out of your every post. lol

              • January 24th 2017 @ 4:22pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 24th 2017 @ 4:22pm | ! Report

                How is your Moore Park ammunition going? Withered on the vine?

              • January 24th 2017 @ 4:48pm
                clipper said | January 24th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                Rick, you commenting as much as me! You must have nothing else better to do either.
                It’s obvious that this is just going around in circles. You won’t supply any independent sources for you supposed figures, just the same old insults and rhetoric. So be it, you and you alone think you’re right, which if fine. You think I’m all these people, that’s fine. You rubbish every other source except your own, you rubbish everyone’s view except your own, you say you’ve rebutted the above posts which you haven’t.

              • January 24th 2017 @ 6:53pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 24th 2017 @ 6:53pm | ! Report

                You’ve still got nothing. lol

                Go back to your pathological hatred of RL. It suits your quality of argument.

              • January 25th 2017 @ 4:53pm
                Footy Fan said | January 25th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report


                I don’t even understand most of the above comments, from when I last commented!?

                There’s only ever been one clear statistic for ‘dick measuring’ & that’s TV ratings (well, most people believe so anyway).

                Which the AFL has always dominated.

                OFFICIAL OzTam + RegTam TV RATINGS:

                2016 AFL GF:

                Metro: 3.201m
                Regional: 1.051m
                National: 4.191m
                National peak: 5.160m

                2016 NRL GF:

                Metro: 2.5m
                Regional: 1.14m
                National: 3.64m

                END OF DISCUSSION 🙂

                (I’m happy to provide the numerous links, if you’re still confused)

              • January 26th 2017 @ 7:40pm
                Rick Diznek said | January 26th 2017 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

                You are not the quickest on the uptake are you? Probably a Collingwood fan sans teeth…

                You can have the one game and we will take the year. lol

                112 million NRL v 107 AFL – rugby league, even with less games, wins easily.

    • January 18th 2017 @ 12:54pm
      waterboy said | January 18th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

      Ha ha…….they do watch TV though and the majority of them are pro rugby league.

      • January 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm
        Agent11 said | January 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

        exactly waterboy, but people who watch other codes apart from AFL don’t count!!

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