Stuff November, let’s play the All Blacks next week: Jones

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    Eddie Jones has responded to the prospect of England facing New Zealand this year by joking that he would like the fixture to be staged straight after Saturday’s match in Dublin.

    The Rugby Football Union has approached the All Blacks with a view to staging a showdown at Twickenham on November 4 as an additional autumn international.

    The sport’s top two teams are not officially due to meet for another 18 months and following England’s successive Six Nations titles, the clamour for them to lock horns is growing.

    Victory over Ireland would see the champions defend the grand slam and surpass the All Blacks’ record of 18 straight Test wins, setting the scene for a mouth-watering collision against Steve Hansen’s men.

    Jones, though, put his tongue squarely in his cheek when discussing the opportunity.

    “If the All Blacks want to turn up to the Aviva Stadium on Saturday and want to play us after Ireland, then we’ll consider it,” Jones quipped.

    “Would we win? After we’d beaten Ireland? Who knows? It would be interesting, wouldn’t it?”

    It is understood that the proposal for a match against New Zealand was made with Jones’ approval, but the Australian refused to discuss the prospect of an early clash with the triple world champions.

    “I’ve got no view on that, I’m not an administrator. I haven’t negotiated contracts, all I’m worried about is Ireland,” Jones said.

    “The All Blacks have got nothing to do with us. We want to be the No.1 team in the world. When we get the opportunity to play them, we’ll play them.”

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    • March 17th 2017 @ 8:34am
      Damo said | March 17th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

      This little media sponges team is going to get hammered either way…

    • Roar Guru

      March 17th 2017 @ 9:06am
      Machooka said | March 17th 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

      …, all I’m worried about is Ireland.’ Jones said.

      But Eddie you just said before that you’d beaten Ireland.

      C’mon Eddie… have you beaten them or not!?!

    • March 17th 2017 @ 9:37am
      Neil Back said | March 17th 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

      Jeez I’m glad he’s Australian. Can’t imagine the unholy indignation that would be spewed forth on this and other boards if he was English and coming out with stuff like this …..

      • March 17th 2017 @ 11:17am
        Old Bugger said | March 17th 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        Geez I am too cos, the last time an Englishman controlled the Rose-tinted side, they progressed backwards at an unbelievable, rate of knots.

        Hear, hear for the Joker in the pack and that’s a great composite of one-liners…..”We’ll play them on Sunday, straight after, we beat Ireland….”

        Positively smart and cheeky.

        • March 17th 2017 @ 10:32pm
          Barham said | March 17th 2017 @ 10:32pm | ! Report

          “The guy I think again that should get a lot of credit for the team’s success is Stuart Lancaster. He was the guy that brought this team through, went through some hard yards with them, most of the players are still the same.”

          Lancaster had his flaws and the World Cup was a disaster, but the idea England went backwards under him is untrue.

          • March 17th 2017 @ 11:51pm
            davSA said | March 17th 2017 @ 11:51pm | ! Report

            Provided good foundations . Nicholas Bishop gives a lot of excellent insight into Lancaster’s spade work in setting up this England team. . But and I have to say this , some coaches can take the exact same squad , man for man and get better results than others. Its not just about technical skills and good selections but very much about being able to work with players and instil self confidence and self belief in them. Also counts for a huge amount.

            • March 18th 2017 @ 12:25am
              Barham said | March 18th 2017 @ 12:25am | ! Report

              Yes, entirely fair comment and I agree.

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              March 18th 2017 @ 8:25am
              taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

              Yes, Jones is the best clear example if this with Japan and now England and he has likely covered over the good work Bomber did but bottom line is coaches need results and BLs were poor in the end.
              Rennie and Smith transformed an ever languishing Chiefs side and I think Smith is more in the Lancaster mould but has a much smarter rugby brain and having been quite a successful All Black gives him more insight.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 10:55am
                Barham said | March 18th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                The results were perfectly fine up until the World Cup. He did seem to lose the plot a bit in the tournament. The one thing I would genuinely feel sorry for him for is if he doesn’t get a top level job as a result of that – Lancaster is an exceptionally talented development coach (he’d do a great job with some of your Super 15 sides as a consultant) and will be a better one for recognising his errors in the 2015 World Cup. The thing with him is that I am very confident he will have recognised his errors. He’s remarkably self aware.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm
                Old Bugger said | March 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report


                In his role as Coach, did Lancaster and England, win a 6N title?? He may have introduced and upgraded the foundations as they say but, did his efforts ever produce, titles??

                As TM mentions – Lancaster and Smithy are like two peas in a pod. Both were able to improve the base foundations, both were able to instil a belief in the team and yet, from memory, neither were able to secure a title win of any sort, during their reigns.

                What Jones has done compares to what Mitchell did when he replaced Smithy as AB coach – they both won titles for their respective sides and the games played, were won with, handsome margins.

                They may have both, been gifted some exceptional goods but what’s important, is what both of them did, with those goods.

              • Roar Guru

                March 18th 2017 @ 3:21pm
                taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 3:21pm | ! Report

                Yes and I think that tenure proved to Smithy that the top job is not for him which is why hes now back up to Hansen / Henry and Rennie at the Chiefs and has had stunning success in that role.
                That seems to be what barham is inferring for Lancaster… the thinker in the side rather than the top dog.
                In that respect he could still play a role even with Eddie still there… he had to go at the time so it was clear who the boss was but there might be a time to bring him back in… as Smithy did.

      • March 18th 2017 @ 4:08am
        Robby said | March 18th 2017 @ 4:08am | ! Report

        Ha, ha. My thoughts exactly!!

    • March 17th 2017 @ 10:33am
      Rugby Tragic said | March 17th 2017 @ 10:33am | ! Report

      This is what makes sport so great. The expectation, the anticipation of a result one way or another when it shares in the space of the great unknown.

      Ultimately at this moment, we have a team on the way up, a team standing in the corner, lead by a guy who, like him or not, has charisma and is great for the game. They are the contenders. They keep telling us that.

      In the other corner, there is the team that has been up for so long, many said it couldn’t continue. Nations have chipped away at them but its hard not to admire them (begrudgingly or not) as being the world’s best team based on consistency of performances over a long period of time.

      Records are made to be broken but some of these records will remain for a long time, in fact such has the All Blacks dominance holding the No 1 position over 600 weeks since the inception of rankings it might take another eternity for that to be superseded, if in fact it ever will be. But forget all that – that’s history!

      What we want is the ‘now’ … Who is the No 1 side in the world of rugby ‘now’? Will in fact a single ‘one-off’ settle that argument, or will it require a series based on home and away? Will it require games played at neutral venues to avoid bias?

      One thing for sure is that whichever team achieves the win, be it a one off or a series, bragging rights will be bestowed upon the victor until the same battle between Champions and contenders is raised again. Until this crystallises into an event, all that remains in speculation, the promise of sports.

      All risks by the very nature is with the Champions, they can only go one way … down. But that is the nature of sport and I say bring it on!

      • March 17th 2017 @ 11:02am
        taylorman said | March 17th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

        Absolutely RT, Jones is a complete breath of fresh air in all this as well and its getting infectious. In fact its been a crime to have him of the world stage in a big way all these years. Yet hes always done what he can to get back there- SA, Japan and now this.

        Its where he belongs and he knows it. He always has. He can now talk the talk because he backs it up on the field.

        Thats whats making England the finished article. He’s dragging the very best out of the already great position they find themselves in.

        He and England have replaced the lull of the current Wallabies and Boks and without them the ABs would be playing in their own sandpit.

        Keep it up Sir Eddie…we’s IS amused… 🙂

        • March 17th 2017 @ 10:35pm
          Barham said | March 17th 2017 @ 10:35pm | ! Report

          I remember when Jones was aiming his barbs at Woodward at the turn of the century, and knowing exactly what he was doing and still getting wound up by him. He’s brilliant at it – it’s a pleasure to be on the other side of the equation these days.

          And who wants a bunch of dull automatons blandly repeating press releases? All sports need characters and Jones is definitely that.

        • March 17th 2017 @ 11:00pm
          davSA said | March 17th 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

          yes , yes and yes Taylorman and Barham . The guy is a coaching phenomenon , he is charismatic and great for the game which can always do with a bit of extra publicity and razzmatazz . Eddie Jones provides that by the bucket load .

          An England vs All Blacks game right now will be huge . Bigger than the World Cup final . It has to be at Twickenham as it will be …and lets be realistic here , very much about the revenue it will generate more than any on field outcome .

          Eddie Jones is massively admired here in SA despite orchestrating that loss to us by Japan. If we could clone him we would.

          • March 17th 2017 @ 11:47pm
            Barham said | March 17th 2017 @ 11:47pm | ! Report

            I was at the Japan – South Africa game. If you want something to be proud of concerning that game, then it’s the conduct of the South African fans. They were utterly magnificent – gracious, fully appreciative of it being a great day for rugby and downright classy in their response. Not a single one of the many I spoke to was anything else.

            • March 18th 2017 @ 12:50am
              davSA said | March 18th 2017 @ 12:50am | ! Report

              Beers are on us !

            • March 18th 2017 @ 4:10am
              Robby said | March 18th 2017 @ 4:10am | ! Report

              @Barham. I was there too but maybe at a different game? The SA supporters I saw were anything but what you describe, which was fair enough,but geez they were pretty odious….

              • March 18th 2017 @ 10:43am
                Barham said | March 18th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

                Really? I suspect based on most responses that mine was more typical. I witnessed the guard of honour for the Japanese fans at Brighton station, and heard about the one at Victoria.

                All I can say is that in my own experience they were absolutely amazing. I’m sorry your experience wasn’t the same.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 8:13pm
                davSA said | March 18th 2017 @ 8:13pm | ! Report

                well I wasn’t there Robby but sitting in a pub with my mates in SA . It was kind of weird as we began to contemplate the impossibility of losing . ..When all was done and dusted I cannot recall a single person not acknowledging or complimenting Japan. Sure we gave our side stick , but as the Japanese constantly cut the legs out of our big guys we recognized their courage for what it was. This absolutely happened.

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              March 18th 2017 @ 8:31am
              taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

              In a state of shock perhaps?
              I can understand that and I think kiwis were the same against Ireland. Its probably the ‘we all love an underdog’ Rocky type theme, where millions have been made from it in the movies.
              As much as we hate losing sharing the success of the David vs Goliath makes us feel better, and who doesnt want that, even if it is temporarily.?

              • March 18th 2017 @ 10:47am
                Barham said | March 18th 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

                With all due respect to both ABs and Ireland, the seismic shock of that result wasn’t in the same star system to the Japan match.

                I’ll pass on a personal moment from it: I was in the opposite corner to where the winning try was scored – about as far away as I could be. Yet the one advantage was seeing the pattern of that last Japanese attack and screaming ‘It’s an overlap. My God. They’re going to score’ before many realised.

                I can tell so many tales of the aftermath of that game. A truly great sporting moment. One day Italy will beat England in the Six Nations, a lesser achievement without doubt, but I do hope I can retain my sense of proportion to the degree the Springbok fans did that I met.

              • Roar Guru

                March 18th 2017 @ 1:15pm
                taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Nice… yes a bigger upset but a first win in around thirty tests over 100 years is nothing to be sneezed at either, particularly knowing how hard Ireland had tried so many times.
                Its not necessarily the size of the upset that kiwis were acknowledging but the obvious relief in finally winning one after all those years.
                Whole generations never saw a win their whole lives.
                Japan and South Africa dont have that same history.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 8:24pm
                davSA said | March 18th 2017 @ 8:24pm | ! Report

                No Taylorman , its no contest . Ireland beating the All Blacks had a wonderful sense of occasion especially the Chicago venue etc. But it was a very good Irish team to start who simply embraced the moment better than NZ. May have made headlines in NZ and Ireland , elsewhere it was sports news. Japans win was truly seismic , not least of all the effect it had on the Japanese nation. Did more good for world rugby than could be imagined.Oh and it made the headlines pretty much everywhere rugby is played.

    • March 18th 2017 @ 11:26am
      Whakaata said | March 18th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

      This potential match up whilst exciting it will be stacked heavily in England’s favour.

      A home game for England and played at the end of the All Blacks season when the team will undoubtedly be fatigued and have key players missing with injury.

      I can’t remember the South African captain’s name, but he said that playing and beating NZ at home was harder than winning a World Cup final.

      Whilst the game in the UK will be significant, to me personally it will not mean as much as beating the All Blacks at home in NZ where they have not lost for seven years.

      • March 18th 2017 @ 11:40am
        Barham said | March 18th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

        You mean in NZ at the end of a long season for the European teams when they’re fatigued and are missing players through injury?

        Funny how it doesn’t seem to go both ways.

        • Roar Guru

          March 18th 2017 @ 1:21pm
          taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

          Yeah it does but in this instance it isnt the case.

        • March 18th 2017 @ 1:28pm
          richard said | March 18th 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

          But it does.Results in recent years v both Ireland (2012) and Wales(2014) have seen blowouts in the final test.Here,in NZ,the results were viewed as anomolies,as both teams were knackered and it was one game too far.

          We are well aware of the fatigue factor – NZ experienced it on their tour last year ( re. the NZ-France game).

          Personally,if both NZ/ENG keep their current form,I would see Eng as favorites – a game at Twickers in the end of the year,I would give NZ a 40% chance of winning.Still more than I would give any other team,though.

        • March 18th 2017 @ 2:29pm
          Whakaata said | March 18th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

          Like I said, try beating the All Blacks, the number one team in the world on their (NZ’s) patch. Playing them at home (England) increases their (England’s) chances significantly they odds are far more stacked in the English’s favour, it will never carry the same weight as beating the All Blacks in New Zealand ala 2003 in Wellington from which they(England) subsequently went on to win the World Cup

          Of the 40 matches played between the two countries England have won just seven and only two of those wins have been in NZ.

          Yet England will get one win at home and the world will proclaim them to be the world’s best when only once in history have the English been able to string two wins together over an All Blacks side. Which was now over 14 years ago.

          England have won just over 20% of their home matches against NZ and an measly 13% in NZ

          • March 18th 2017 @ 2:56pm
            richard said | March 18th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

            Agreed.I would expect both teams to win at home.Having said that,I would give NZ more chance of winning at Twickers than England winning at Eden Park.Just how I see it.

            • March 18th 2017 @ 3:24pm
              Whakaata said | March 18th 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

              This is the point I am making. If England really want to claim to be the best they need to beat NZ in NZ where they have not lost for over 7 years, they then need to back that win up and beat the ABs again in the following match up. A one off win every 5 – 8 years means absolutely nothing IMO.

            • Roar Guru

              March 18th 2017 @ 3:34pm
              taylorman said | March 18th 2017 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

              Well yes the not losing a single test on your premier ground in the entire pro era for 34 straight wins is for me a better record than the 18, because it stands over more than twenty years but enough chest pumping, will be watching England take it out in a few hours and good luck to them, no matter which way you look at it, 19 wins against allcomers is huge.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 3:52pm
                richard said | March 18th 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

                Yes,the record (IF they get it) is nothing to be sneezed at.Regardless,we now have another rival – a good thing for the game.

              • March 18th 2017 @ 7:31pm
                Old Bugger said | March 18th 2017 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

                But then, that’s what records are there for… be broken. Best wishes to England should they progress and take this record… will mean that a new target is established for someone else, to havago and beat it.

                Records are good for every sport… they provides targets for the future sports-folk, to try and better.

                However, what becomes long-lasting, is winning and being awarded an honour or a medal, for that success cos no-one, can ever take that achievement, away from you.

    • March 18th 2017 @ 8:00pm
      Bryn mullett said | March 18th 2017 @ 8:00pm | ! Report

      the guy is a nutter.

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