Ireland end England’s unbeaten run 13-9

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    Ireland have denied England the chance to make some serious history, ending their undefeated streak with a 13-9 win in Dublin on Sunday morning (AEDT).

    England were in the mix to become the outright record holders for the most consecutive Test wins – they had 18 in a row, equal with the streak achieved by the All Blacks last year.

    They also could have become the first team in history to record two Six Nations grand slams back-to-back – while they’ll still win the 2017 tournament, their record is not without blemish.

    It also brings to an end Eddie Jones’ unbeaten run as the coach of England.

    Ironically just months after ending the All Blacks’ winning streak, it is Ireland who have once again played the role of the spoiler.

    The Irish held England tryless in a low-scoring, defensive match, while recording the only try of the match through Iain Henderson in the 24th minute.

    England’s nine points all came through penalties kicked by Owen Farrell, while Johnny Sexton kicked two penalties for the Irish and converted Henderson’s try.

    “I thought we played really well in the first 20 mins. We went very close in the right hand corner twice with [Keith] Earls and [Garry] Ringrose. Ringrose was a revelation again today. He keeps taking steps forward. That 20 mins gave us confidence,” said Ireland coach Joe Schmidt.

    “It was probably a game for the purists. But a game that demonstrated courage is still important at this level.

    “I thought Iain [Henderson] was massive tonight. He’s been a player who has been coming for a long time and arrived a bit tonight. All credit to England, they’ve been brilliant for eighteen months. They deserve to be out there with their trophy.”

    England’s captain Dylan Hartley said the match showed England still had improvements to make.

    “We are disappointed. We had high hopes, high expectations. But it goes to show we are not quite there as a team. Credit to Ireland. I think it was negative upon negative, we backed one error up with another.”

    Final score
    Ireland 13
    England 9

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    • Roar Guru

      March 19th 2017 @ 6:44am
      Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:44am | ! Report

      Disappointing showing from the men in white after average performance against France and Wales too. They’ll need a big improvement if they want to challenge the blokes in black for number 1. It seems odd to say about a team on such a long winning streak but they need to improve their confidence, so that they’re willing to pass the ball through the backs rather than simply playing for penalties with the forwards.

      Ireland are courageous and patient. They’re the rugby equivalent of latter days Lleyton Hewitt or a David Ferrer. Not quite as talented or as flashy as some of their rivals, but they grind out wins with great tenacity, patience and discipline.

      • Roar Guru

        March 19th 2017 @ 6:59am
        taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:59am | ! Report

        Conditions werent great but ironic that potentially one of the great matches becomes a typical defensive bog of a penalty trading match.

        Credit to both sides for what theyve achieved though. For Ireland to be the side to finish both runs of 18 wins on the trot deserves credit and for England to have the run they have the same.

        Just a pity the final showdon ended without a shot really being fired, a battle of attrition where the side with more points at the end wins.

        The french game had a much more exciting ending. Twenty minutes added to the 80!
        When has that ever happened.
        And one named Barnes at the centre of this French win.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 7:34am
          Carlos the Argie said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:34am | ! Report

          Quite frequently the side that scores more points wins. Can’t recall the last time it wasn’t like this…


          • Roar Guru

            March 19th 2017 @ 8:00am
            taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

            Yes the pun was intended Carlos, in this case it was actually more the case… ok times up…ummm Ireland, you have more points, so are the winner. Well done.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 7:55pm
            Jibba Jabba said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

            Haven’t you played the Welsh ? 🙂

      • March 19th 2017 @ 8:59am
        FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

        Disagree, Fionn. Not sure what the mystery is. England are precisely where they should be 18 months into a four year project with a relatively young side – in fact they’re probably a little ahead of schedule.
        The comparison with the 2003 side is getting spooky. They’re a dead ringer for England 2001 – albeit about 4 years per man on average younger.

        • Roar Guru

          March 19th 2017 @ 9:23am
          Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

          I disagree, mate, with the exception of the Scotland game they’ve played really negative rugby and just managed to squeak through due to their confidence and experience. I think they peaked in November last year but in the 6N haven’t had any consistency of fluidity of spark in their backline.

          England may well remain number 2 come the WC, but I fear for Jones that he may have timed his run poorly and, by the WC a number of teams will be snapping at England’s heels if not managing to match them. I haven’t seen anything in the 6N (with the exception of the Scotland game) that makes me think that England has the game to challenge the All Blacks. I think the All Blacks have more physical forwards and exponentially better backs; and have multiple ways to attack, Scotland doesn’t.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 10:10am
            FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

            Then I would argue you don’t know what’s coming through. England are a young team and I believe they’ll improve significantly over the next 2 years. Players such as Marler, Hartley, Cole, Haskell, Robshaw and Brown will be replaced by younger more dynamic players. I’m confident the gap between number 2 and 3 will grow rather than narrow.
            The ABs are a different question, but as it stands only one team has the potential to realistically challenge them in 2019.

            • Roar Guru

              March 19th 2017 @ 10:17am
              Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

              I really doubt it, but I guess only time will tell.

            • March 19th 2017 @ 10:20am
              P2R2 said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:20am | ! Report

              BUT it is NOT England…

            • Roar Guru

              March 19th 2017 @ 11:07am
              taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

              Yes that the guts of it. They need to bring in the younger players as soon as possible. No point replacing the Haskell’s etc, they need to play alongside them so the transition is seamless.

              Depth is about players who are there now, not in the future, and there is no more perfect time than now to bring them, something the Argie tour offers. That’s why it’s a pity they didn’t win today. Eddie would have loved the challenge of taking a new team to defend the record.

              The next three months would have meant a lot more, preparing the side with the knowledge they carry the record on their backs. Now it will probably be a development side, where winning isn’t paramount.

            • March 19th 2017 @ 11:08am
              Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

              Funbus those players coming thru, or the improvement in the current players due to experience is going to happen. problem for England is that it happens in the style they play and for them to beat the ABs it is their risk/reward stuff that needs to change. The ABs will attack from anywhere and that gives them an advantage over a team whose plan is more conservative. If England and the ABs cancel each other out man for man they dont equal each other in intent. The ABs intent is always to score trys. The England intent isn’t always the same. I believe that will be the difference over a series but a 1 off can give up any result

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 12:20pm
                Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

                Also, there is nothing to suggest that England will be able to match New Zealand man-for-man in the backs. This means their forwards are really going to have to work hard, improve and be at their very best by 2019 if they want to challenge the ABs.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 3:17pm
                Bakkies said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

                In the last four under 20s squads they have had multi skilled backs. It’s about whether they are getting time for their clubs to impress Eddie and co. Eddie has a knack for backing young talent

            • Roar Rookie

              March 19th 2017 @ 8:57pm
              Phantom said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

              I agree that there is a team to challenge the ABs. It is Ireland.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 9:15pm
                Jemain Okinga said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:15pm | ! Report

                I actually think France is the ones too watch out for there is sumpting brewing for the men in Blue.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 11:59pm
                Bakkies said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:59pm | ! Report

                France need to run straight first and pick a balanced back row. Their breakdown work is also slow

              • March 20th 2017 @ 5:00am
                adastra32 said | March 20th 2017 @ 5:00am | ! Report

                Hats off to the Irish yesterday – they did a ‘job’ on England very well. But to challenge the ABs (instead of England) they are going to have to become much more consistent. Raising your game every so often will not be enough to compete at the highest level come 2019.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 6:54am
                mzilikazi said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:54am | ! Report

                Surely also Australia will challenge AB’s….despite current abysmal Super results.

          • Roar Rookie

            March 20th 2017 @ 12:28am
            Kirky said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:28am | ! Report

            Fionn! The Poms won’t beat the All Blacks if they play another 20 odd games against them since the last time they beat them as per the current stats, they simply are not in the same ball game and as you say they play rubbish.

            I’ve seen every one of their games and I really don’t remember one game that gave me any ”warm fuzzies”, ~ they are a very ordinary team at best and everybody outside England is just a tad tired of hearing it from all and sundry from them as to how good they are, they are ”blowers”.

            Take time to read the stats in the All Blacks record unbeaten run and compare them to the English stats’, the just don’t compare, period!

            Incidentally for all it’s worth, I was at the last game in New Zealand the last time the Poms beat the Kiwis, and they didn’t deserve to win that game either, as per usual Jonny won it for them aided by a huge heave from a terrible Referee who pinged the All Blacks almost off the Park!

            • March 20th 2017 @ 6:16am
              Ryan said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:16am | ! Report

              Watch yourself Kirky you will be harrassed and or called churlish for daring to bring up the ABs record and not praising the English until the cows come home.

              Reality bites a bit too hard for some people on this site, who tend to blow wind up each other’s you know where.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 3:36pm
          Mark said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

          I’m not convinced of England they’ve played weak Aussie and Bok teams and then whatever’s on offer over there in Europe .Ireland were always going to be the only real threat this campaign and they lost , they were also very lucky to beat France and Wales , there backline is average at best and there big play seems to be to play for penalties that will only work for them so long , im pretty certain another loss or two will see the speed wobbles turn into a chaotic crash and burn !!! looking back through Eds coaching history he has a knack of getting his teams off to a roaring start only for the wheels to fall off suppose you could say a one to two year wonder as a coach , then he move on , I think if this team met the All Blacks both fully fit on neutral territory in perfect rugby conditions the All Blacks would put 30 to 40 points on them , just my opinion !

          • Roar Rookie

            March 20th 2017 @ 12:29am
            Kirky said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:29am | ! Report

            Mark! Two great minds think as one mate!!

            • March 20th 2017 @ 6:20am
              Ryan said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:20am | ! Report


      • March 19th 2017 @ 10:24am
        Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

        Agree Fionn, as good as England’s forward play, kicking and defence have been, I have seen nothing is the last year to indicate that they have made progress in the sort of running rugby that is necessary to compete with the All Blacks. I just don’t think they have time between now and 2019 to get those skills, they are bred into the Kiwi players from age 5,

    • March 19th 2017 @ 6:48am
      Rt said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:48am | ! Report

      Thank you Ireland

      • March 19th 2017 @ 9:51am
        Mapu said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

        Thank you Ireland

        • March 19th 2017 @ 10:23am
          Jamez said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

          Chur Ireland!!!

          • March 19th 2017 @ 11:51am
            ebop said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report

            Thank you Ireland

            • March 19th 2017 @ 3:52pm
              winston said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

              Thanks Ireland

              • March 19th 2017 @ 7:02pm
                Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:02pm | ! Report

                Haha Thanks Ireland!!!!!!!

      • Roar Rookie

        March 19th 2017 @ 8:59pm
        Phantom said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:59pm | ! Report

        My second favourite team

    • Roar Guru

      March 19th 2017 @ 6:51am
      Poth Ale said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:51am | ! Report

      Great win today by Ireland.

      They need to do this again. And again. And again.

      Consistency please.

      Commiserations England on the loss and congratulations on winning the Championship.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 8:43am
        JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        Congrats on the win Pot.
        If I’m honest I’m not that bothered about the winning streak coming to an end but it would have been nice to back up last years Grand Slam, but it just goes to show how tough the double is, it just doesn’t happen very often.
        Without having seen the match yet, im not going to be too down on England, they’ve made huge strides over the last 18 months or so, but they aren’t near to being the finished article yet. Ireland in Ireland is a seriously tough assignment, I read somewhere that they’ve only list to two teams there in the last 5 years, Australia and NZ.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 10:22am
          Rugby Tragic said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

          JimmyB, I agree, too much has been made about the ‘winning streak’ on its own. Sure, consecutive wins is a hallmark of consistent performances but what is achieved ‘during a successful run’ is more important I believe.

          That England has won back to back 6 Nations is in itself a great achievement. Other than the statistical number of consecutive wins, there is no trophy, just a record that one day will be broken.

          The All Blacks made a song and dance about it, but I think that was more about their own motivation than something that others aspire too.

          Take Fiji’s Gold Medal win at the Rio Olympics, does anyone know or recall how many consecutive wins they had before that? And who cares? I don’t and am not bothered to research, but I will not forget the jubilation of the small island nation’s success in Rio.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 10:25am
            JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report


          • March 19th 2017 @ 11:23am
            Whakaata said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

            The All Blacks won a World Cup during their run. The won 10 games away compared to England’s 7, technically 7 of the AB’s wins were at a neutral venue but they were still thousands of miles away from home.

            The All Blacks played a top 4 ranked opponent 8 times compared to England who played 5.
            The All Blacks scored 30+ more points on 15 occasions the English just 9 times.

            The All Blacks scored 104 tries the English 65

            The All Blacks demolished France who were ranked 7 at the time 62-13 in WC quarter final.
            The English beat Uruguay who were ranked 19th 60-3 after being humiliated at their own world cup.

            Compare the streaks and The All Blacks streak is far more impressive.

            • March 19th 2017 @ 12:34pm
              JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report


              • March 19th 2017 @ 1:12pm
                Ryan said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

                You simply can not argue with facts can you JimmyB.

                Here’s another few for you that Whakaata hasn’t shared.

                The ABs fellow annual championship sides were all inside the top 8 during their run. Argentina who they played at the WC in England were 8th and then they played twice again in the Rugby Championship and were ranked 7 for both of those matches.
                Australia and South Africa were ranked 2, 3 or 4 in all 8 matches they played. Two of those matches were in the world cup finals. South Africa were ranked 3 in the semi final and Australia ranked 2 in the World Cup final.

                England played their championship mates 9 times and of those 9 times against their mates only 1 was inside the top 4 and that was Ireland who beat them today.
                Of those 9 matches Englands championship opponents 5 were ranked 8 or lower. 2 of those matches were against a team ranked 12th and 14th.

                It’s clearer than night and day who has had the tougher challenge in their runs and it’s also very clear that you can not accept that.

                Winning a slam isn’t as hard as some like to make out.

                The ABs achevied in 05, 08 and 2010.

              • Columnist

                March 19th 2017 @ 1:19pm
                Geoff Parkes said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Whakaata, Ryan

                Steve Hanson had no problem during the week showing humility about England’s 18 wins.
                It’s a shame that virtue has eluded you both.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 9:41pm
                Jemain Okinga said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:41pm | ! Report

                Rightly said Geoff England should be commended for their great run 18 wins in a row has only been achieved by two teams. I don’t care who you play. because it
                aint easy too attain. So I say thankyou England for bringing interest back too the game in your country and in the world.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 1:30pm
                Whakaata said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:30pm | ! Report

                Responding to claims made by another poster, on what is achieved during a streak is what a team should be judged on is now not ok?

                If you don’t want myself or Ryan to shoot the argument down by highlighting what was achieved “DURING” the All Blacks run then don’t post comments inferring that what England achieved was somehow better, when all the stats and facts paint a very different picture.

                Trying to claim some moral high ground by comparing what is posted on a rugby blog and to what the coach of a national team says is disingenuous not to mention clutching at straws at best.
                It highlights how weak an argument / position you hold and how flawed the original comment by Jimmy was not to mention the double standards.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 1:57pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

                I didn’t read anything in the previous poster’s comment that was derogatory towards the All Blacks, if anything it was criticising England for carrying on too much about the “streak”. Itv isjust another example of the tiresome Kiwi habit of trying to make any rugby discussion about the All Blacks, even when they didn’t play.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:05pm
                JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

                I’d strongly suggest that you and Ryan have a little read of the above posts again. If there’s an argument happening, it’s happening in your own minds with yourselves.
                Personally I simply don’t care about the winning record or England’s worthiness in sharing in it. You boys can hang your hat on if you wish and argue the toss over it as much as you like but I’m not really sure why you’re attempting to drag me into it.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm
                Whakaata said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

                Fact remains New Zealand never once played South Africa or Australia when they were ranked lower than 4.
                The only team England played who were ranked inside the 4 was Ireland and that was today.

                You can harp on about England achieving something great but any real rugby fan knows that their run is nowhere near as impressive as the All Blacks when you consider who they played when they played them and where.

                “but what is achieved ‘during a successful run’ is more important I believe.” Rugby Tragic

            • Roar Guru

              March 19th 2017 @ 2:30pm
              Poth Ale said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

              But, but, but…..

              New Zealand didn’t play England (2), Scotland (5) or Ireland (4) in their run of wins.

              They only played teams like Australia, (3) South Africa (7), France (8), Wales and Georgia…..


              I think England beat Scotland who are ranked 5th by 60 plus points.

              Or on the other hand, you could just acknowledge that both teams have done really well to have had winning streaks lasting 18 games – not an easy thing to achieve no matter who you’re playing.

              Which is why I’m still rooting for Cyprus on their world record streak of 24 wins.

              Go Moufflons!!

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 3:25pm
                Machpants said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:25pm | ! Report

                Sadly that steak was finished at 24 3 years ago, like the rest of us, they’re starting again. In fact poor old Cyprus have only won two of their eight games since the steak was stopped by the Latvians and they are on a three match losing streak. The current standing tier one record is the all blacks, on three wins in a row haha. I think.


            • March 19th 2017 @ 3:19pm
              Bakkies said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

              ‘The All Blacks played a top 4 ranked opponent 8 times compared to England who played 5.’

              There is a thing called the 4 Nations and the extra Bledisloe test which helps. SA only drifted out of the top four mid way through last year.

              ‘Steve Hanson had no problem during the week showing humility about England’s 18 wins.’

              As much as the poster was off the ball but Steve Hansen doesn’t do humility. It may come across that way to you based upon your nationality but he is just plain snide

              • March 19th 2017 @ 5:55pm
                Tiger said | March 19th 2017 @ 5:55pm | ! Report

                I and many poster on here thought Hanson did humility very well this past week.

                The snide bit, you own that!

              • March 19th 2017 @ 7:08pm
                Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:08pm | ! Report

                Bakkies you need to learn to interpret English. If you think what Hansen said was SNIDE then you are interpreting it wrong.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:09pm
                ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

                Whatever Hansen says or doesn’t say we can be fairly sure you won’t ever be pleased.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 12:01am
                Bakkies said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:01am | ! Report

                ‘Bakkies you need to learn to interpret English. If you think what Hansen said was SNIDE then you are interpreting it wrong.’

                You need to watch more of his press conference and pot shots when his team is not even involved.

                You have to look beyond the bs that comes out of his mouth.

              • Roar Rookie

                March 20th 2017 @ 12:39am
                Kirky said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:39am | ! Report

                Bakkies! Sure Shag Hansen showed humility in acknowledging the England effort thus far on that day, ~ But it could be wondered as to what side of his cheek his tongue was in at the time!

            • March 19th 2017 @ 4:44pm
              Rugby Tragic said | March 19th 2017 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

              Whakaata, firstly, let me say that I am a Kiwi and have played or followed the code for well over 65 years .. (yep I’m that old!). I support those in Black and those in Blue (heaven know why!).

              What England has done and NZ had done before them was to achieve a winning run of 18 matches and kudos to both. But why are you trying to compare the two streaks? For what purpose? No one is suggesting that England (even the English) seriously believe that they are the number one team in the world because they have matched the NZ sequence.

              As I posted above, in response to JimmyB judging superiority by the long winning sequence loses sight of the more important achievements during that run.

              As an AB fan, I want them to win every game they play, Now we know that is not realistic.

              So I will settle for a few losses, but in between those I’d like for the AB’s to retain the Webb Ellis Cup, the Bledisloe Cup, the Freedom Cup or Trophy, The Dave Gallagher Trophy, Melrose trophy, Hillary Shield … is there any that I missed out?

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:50pm
                Ryan said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

                Playing the code for X amount of years does not make you aby more of an expert than someone who has played for Y amount of years. I can’t speak for Whakaata, but if you read RT’s post he does imply what England achieved in their run e.g back to back 6 Nations titles it somehow makes their run more noteworthy. What I did in my response to this comment and in support of Whakaatas comment was highlight how this isn’t really a great measure.

                When compared the 6 Nations and Rugby Championship teams both countries played there was a massive difference in who they both played. The kiwis played all their games bar two against top 4 opponents. England played just 1 top 4 opponent in their 2, 6 nation wins. And that was against Ireland. So effectively the 1st game they came up against top quality opposition from their NH competition they lost.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 1:54am
                Dave from Mt Druitt said | March 20th 2017 @ 1:54am | ! Report

                Both NZ and England share a record of 18 winning games in a row.

                Both teams did not play each other during their unbeaten runs,

                Both teams basically played the same opponents, The only difference was that their opponents ranking changed due to England improved ranking.

                How does the saying go “Let sleeping dogs lie”

              • March 20th 2017 @ 6:22am
                Ryan said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:22am | ! Report

                The quality of teams played and the number of times they played those teams was markedly different.
                Any true rugby fan knows that.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 3:22pm
                Dave from Mt Druitt said | March 20th 2017 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

                A true rugby fan would acknowledge that England have equalled the All Blacks record of 18 consecutive wins.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 4:47pm
          Jibba Jabba said | March 19th 2017 @ 4:47pm | ! Report

          England and the ref were a disgrace – constant high tackles unpunished, late tackles unpunished, shoulder charges unpunished.. again ref and england were a disgrace.

          Johnny Sexton is the Johnny Thurston of European rugby 🙂 keeps getting smacked late and just keeps getting up.. good on him.. shame on you england..

      • Roar Guru

        March 19th 2017 @ 8:47am
        Who Needs Melon said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

        Ireland really can beat anyone but, as you say, it’s all about consistency with them. What is it do you think? Are they just not getting mentally ‘up’ for every game?

        • Roar Guru

          March 19th 2017 @ 10:35am
          Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

          I think the issue is that Ireland have an absolutely fantastic defence but don’t have enough tries in them. If they concede a few tries then they struggle to catch the opposition. Unlike the Wallabies they don’t usually lose by conceding 5+ tries, more often Ireland conceding 2-3 is enough, because they don’t have enough tries in them themselves (with the exception being the Tests that they beat the ABs and the Wallabies). Take last night, for example, we’re talking about how poorly England played and how good Ireland was, but a single unconverted try from England would have clinched it.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 3:29pm
            Bakkies said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

            ‘I think the issue is that Ireland have an absolutely fantastic defence but don’t have enough tries in them.’

            The opposite Fionn. Ireland is disciplined in regards to break down and offside penalties but the team have leaked a lot of tries since Farrell has become defence coach. Personnel and system changes (Payne not playing 13, Sexton going off repeatedly) is a part of it. Under Les Kiss the defence got really narrow it only really got exposed massively twice by McKenzie’s Wallabies in Schmidt’s first test as coach and by the Argies in the RWC QF.

            In regards to attack Ireland look more fluent against SA, NZ and Australia with new players showing what they can do. Ireland went to SA with Jackson at flyhalf, Payne at fullback, Matt Healy and Tiernan O’Halloran in the back three. The latter two were uncapped and didn’t look out of place. Irish press and supporters have a thing about players not being ready and systems which is holding the side back.

        • Roar Rookie

          March 19th 2017 @ 9:06pm
          Phantom said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:06pm | ! Report

          Personally I think depth is the issue with Ireland.
          Well coached without a doubt but if a key player is lost the replacement can struggle at the highest level.

          • March 20th 2017 @ 12:16am
            Bakkies said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:16am | ! Report

            There is plenty of depth in Irish Rugby it’s more about whether Schmidt is willing to give them a chance. Marmion is about 25/26 now and he never really backed him. Picked the woeful Isaac Boss and ancient Eoin Reddan ahead of him. Since those two retired he hadn’t really given Marmion much game time. Even in SA he didn’t get many minutes. Only through injuries to Murray that happened in the past two weeks he showed he is capable of playing test Rugby.

            The replacement scrumhalf Luke McGrath hardly got game time under Schmidt he preferred Boss and Reddan. MOC only really gave him time off the bench in cameos. Since Leo Cullen took over in 2015 he has been getting regular starts for Leinster ahead of Jamison Gibson Park. Same for Garry Ringrose it’s Cullen and now Lancaster that have backed him in the centre. MOC preferred the bosher Ben Te’o at 13.

            The replacement back row Dan Leavy who is a 7 (came in to the team last minute for Heaslip) is not even guaranteed a spot in a full strength Leinster squad. Tommy O’Donnell can’t even get a look in. Conor Oliver the Munster openside who performed really well against the NZ Maori is down the pecking order for Munster due to depth.

            There is another Séan O’Brien making his name for Connacht tough as nails. Denis Buckley a strong loose head at scrum and just as good around the park particularly at the breakdown can’t get a look in.

            Joe Schmidt has left out Marty Moore and Finlay Bealham at tight head this Six Nations not through lack of performance. More to do with options.

            Schmidt has a lot of options at blindside that’s why O’Mahony is not guaranteed selection when fit. In most other teams he would be a lock in perhaps with a (c) next to his name. Same at number 8 there has been calls for Schmidt to drop Heaslip for some time now.

            • Roar Pro

              March 20th 2017 @ 5:13am
              Colm said | March 20th 2017 @ 5:13am | ! Report

              Agree Bakkies, who would you pick for the matches against USA and Japan?

              I would like to see the following team get a go. 1. Denis Buckley, 2. Sean Cronin, 3. John Ryan, 4. Ultan Dillane, 5. Kieran Treadwell, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Dan Leavy, 8. Jack Conan, 9. Kieran Marmion, 10. Paddy Jackson, 11. Adam Byrne, 12. Stuart McCloskey, 13. Stuart Olding, 14. Jacob Stockdale, 15. Tiernan O’Halloran,

              Subs: 16. Niall Scannell, 17. Dave Kilcoyne, 18. Finlay Bealham, 19. Sean O’Brien(Connacht version), 20. Eoghan Masterson, 21. Luke McGrath, 22. Joey Carbery, 23. Darren Sweetnam.

              • Roar Guru

                March 20th 2017 @ 6:01am
                Poth Ale said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:01am | ! Report

                Good team Colm.

                If Schmidt wants to build more depth then I’d question whether Cronin, Ruddock or Jackson should start. I’d have Scannell in there from the off and Joey Carbery – both need more starting caps.

                The young Ulster prop, Kyle McCall is worth a look as is Andrew Porter at Leinster.

                Adeolokun and Healy need more development in wing spots. Conway and O’Halloran at full-back.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 12:49pm
                Bakkies said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

                ‘1. Denis Buckley, 2. Sean Cronin, 3. John Ryan, 4. Ultan Dillane, 5. Kieran Treadwell, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Dan Leavy, 8. Jack Conan, 9. Kieran Marmion, 10. Paddy Jackson, 11. Adam Byrne, 12. Stuart McCloskey, 13. Stuart Olding, 14. Jacob Stockdale, 15. Tiernan O’Halloran,

                Subs: 16. Niall Scannell, 17. Dave Kilcoyne, 18. Finlay Bealham, 19. Sean O’Brien(Connacht version), 20. Eoghan Masterson, 21. Luke McGrath, 22. Joey Carbery, 23. Darren Sweetnam.’

                Probably could end up being

                1. Healy (should be rested) 2. Scannell 3. Bealham 4. Donnacha Ryan 5. Henderson 6. Ruddock 7. van der Flier 8. Conan 9. Marmion 10. Jackson 11. Byrne 12. Olding 13. Luke Marshall 14. Earls 15. Payne

                16. Kilcoyne (would like to see him start with Buckley on the bench but have to realistic) 17. Tracey 18. John Ryan 19. Toner/Dillane 20. Leavy 21. McGrath 22. Carbery 23. O’Halloran

            • March 20th 2017 @ 3:39pm
              ads2600 said | March 20th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

              Hi Bakkies, going off topic here, but having read your comment about Isaac Boss being woeful, I would like to know what it was about his play, that was not up to standard in your opinion? I played with and against him, right throughout primary (was player of the Rollermills tournament) & high school, & he was always an exceptional talent (something in the water in Tokoroa I think), and have always wondered how he got on once he left the Chiefs? Thanks

    • March 19th 2017 @ 6:51am
      mzilikazi said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:51am | ! Report

      Celtic fire and spirit, plus the hand of St Patrick are hard to beat. Very proud of the men of my land of birth ….but also feel for the men in white, and appreciate the depth of their disappointment….they have a very good team.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 8:44am
        JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        Good on you Mzilikazi.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 10:17am
          Michaelj said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

          In case you didn’t know, St Patrick wasn’t Irish.

          • Roar Guru

            March 19th 2017 @ 11:34am
            XI said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

            St George wasn’t English but England’s flag is still named after him

            • March 19th 2017 @ 6:34pm
              Bamboo said | March 19th 2017 @ 6:34pm | ! Report

              Paul McCartney and John Lennon would of been eligible to represent both England and Ireland in International Rugby.

              • Roar Rookie

                March 19th 2017 @ 9:07pm
                Phantom said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:07pm | ! Report

                They would of course been in charge of the music.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 12:01pm
            Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

            And the Queen of Australia isn’t Australian.

            • Roar Guru

              March 19th 2017 @ 12:29pm
              Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

              The Queen of Britain isn’t actually British either, hahahha.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:34pm
                northerner said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

                Well, actually she is. Born there, and all that. And if St Patrick wasn’t actually Irish, at least he had strong ties to Ireland, whereas St George never got near Britain.

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 12:48pm
                Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                Sure, northerner, point taken, she was born there. I suppose it depends how on determines identity/nationality. That said, it’s equally reasonable to claim her as being German 😛

              • March 19th 2017 @ 1:00pm
                JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

                Except it’s not really.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 3:00pm
                Michaelj said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

                Hitler wasn’t German and Cleopatra wasn’t Egyptian.

              • March 20th 2017 @ 3:59pm
                timber said | March 20th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                It’s not reasonable to call the Queen German, the main line has been born and bred in England for several centuries.
                Also, her mother was from the British nobility.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 10:31pm
            Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:31pm | ! Report

            Yes Michaelj, the original Paddy was a Pom? Wonder if St Patrick had a Cockney accent.
            Are there any videos or recordings?

            Congratulations PothAle and all Irish fans. Winning runs are always begging to be halted and you have stopped two within a year. Giant slayers you are. Happy for you all.

            Well played Geoff Parkes. Your challenge of Whakaata and Ryan up above is a service to us all.
            Thank you.

    • March 19th 2017 @ 7:04am
      Ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:04am | ! Report

      Last week Reason wrote an article already claiming the record and sarcastically calling the ABs “poor dears’ (says it all re his anti AB sentiments).
      Will be looking forward to this weeks article. Suspect it will be a different topic.
      Clive Woodward also took a shot after the ABs lost to Ireland for the first time saying the ABs thought they were better than they are after setting the record.
      Well maybe Ireland are better than you think Clive.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 7:33am
        Robert said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:33am | ! Report

        Thats was Stephen Jones I believe, saying the all blacks are going to be wiped from the history books and then saying poor dears

        • March 19th 2017 @ 7:39am
          ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:39am | ! Report

          Yes. Jones… Sorry you are correct.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 7:50am
            Ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:50am | ! Report

            • March 19th 2017 @ 8:00am
              FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

              The Kiwi obsession with this Welsh rugby journalist is both weird and really funny.

              How often do you think Jones talks about the NZ Herald or Stuff?

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:05am
                ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:05am | ! Report

                His and Reasons obsession with AB rugby is weird and funny…actually so is yours.

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 8:08am
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

                The obsession is entirely with Jones. Its like hes been hurt or scarred emotionally by a kiwi in the past.

                Poor bloke, but its great when he falls flat on his face like he has… again. I think we should provide him with a medal for services to All Black rugby he entertains us so.

                He probably needs a new dart board, the one he keeps pinning up McCaws face on must be putting holes in the wall by now?

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:22am
                FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

                He’s a not particularly well-known rugby journalist (at least in Britain). His ‘poor dears’ comment was one line in a long article about England. The fact that this was then plastered all over the Kiwi media tells any objective person where the obsession lies.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:40am
                ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

                Why write poor dears???

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:47am
                FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

                Probably because he doesn’t like the ABs – why do you care so much?

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 8:55am
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

                Perhaps but its a good obsession, sure beats having a facade of an 800 year old one.

                I mean do you really think Scotland are running out onto the field with the images of good ol ozzie Mel gibson yelling freedom!?

                Hilarious and I think those comments do a disservice to those of the past.

                If every time in sport, any sport as Im assuming those playing bowls or tennis also have that same built up rage of 800 years it wouldnt be a very nice place.

                These are professionals. If theyre going on the field with images of Mel then they really need to reexamine their priorities.

                (But in reality, i dont think they are, its probably a fan thing).

              • March 19th 2017 @ 9:03am
                FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

                I mean do you really think Scotland are running out onto the field with the images of good ol ozzie Mel gibson yelling freedom!?

                To an extent, yes. I know from 12000 miles it must be hard to fathom, but there you go.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:12am
                Ryan said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:12am | ! Report

                Reason is a knob of the highest order. His and Jones’s obsession with the All Blacks is not only odd it’s unhealthy.

                They will both have a right dollop of egg on their face this morning.

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 10:08am
                Fionn said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

                Speaking of hyperbolic articles… ‘I mean no disrespect to the England team, who can only play to their limited skill capacity. But the maelstrom of accolades for such a stilted team, considering the extent of New Zealand’s dominance for a long time and the rise of Ireland as classy challengers, has been insulting. The hoopla has been ridiculous.’


              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:53pm
                Ryan said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:53pm | ! Report

                Even Kiwis don’t take that guy seriously. Go onto the NZ Heralds Facebook page and you will see he is loathed with a passion.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 10:44am
                Old Bugger said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report


                Chris Rattue aka “Ratso” is IMO, trying to out-do Mick Cleary or even, Stephen Jones although, he has a long way to go to catch, those blokes.

                Still, every now and then, he comes up with a pearler and this latest one, about England’s pursuit of the record, is just the culmination of a series of articles he’s written, about the whole episode, since the start of 6N, this year.

                I take him with a pinch of salt……just like you’d treat Cleary or Jones, I guess??

              • March 19th 2017 @ 11:57am
                ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

                Fun Bus – why do you care that we care?

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:06pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                Yeah, it’s like the way Phil Kearns still gets under Kiwi skins despite the fact that the All Blacks have been beating the Wallabies in the Bledisloe for the last 16 years. I am pretty sure that if the opposite was the case Australians wouldn’t care what some Kiwi media personality had to say about their team, but the Kiwis get outraged at anybody who doesn’t kiss their ar$es. It is quite funny really.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:35pm
                ebop said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                Clown-gate went down like a cup of cold sick though

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:37pm
                Nroko said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

                Just like the Virat Kohli is getting under the skin of aussies (or atleast thats what make it seem with their BS reporting)

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:39pm
                Darwin Stubbie said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

                ‘Australians wouldn’t care what some Kiwi media personality had to say about them’ … yeah their coach and captain were nothing but dignified after last years Akld test

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:53pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

                You miss the point. Kiwis manage to be insecure enough to sook about criticism from foreign press, even though their team has ruled the rugby world for so many years. You would think with that record you could just laugh it off but no, it always generates extreme indignation. That is what is hilarious.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:15pm
                Darwin Stubbie said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

                I’m not the one trying to put the Aussies on some myythical high ground

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:28pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

                I’m not trying to put the Aussies anywhere, I am just pointing out why the entire rest of the Rugby world can feel entitled to have fun at you’re expense :-).

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:19pm
                ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

                Rhys – you’re having a laugh.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 3:14pm
                Darwin Stubbie said | March 19th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

                You don’t seem to be able to comprehend what you actually write

              • March 19th 2017 @ 5:07pm
                Ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 5:07pm | ! Report

                You realise Boz the Younger the anti ABs anti Kiwi has changed his name??

              • March 19th 2017 @ 5:24pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

                Yeah, so what. I never made a secret of that.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 5:44pm
                Ben said | March 19th 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

                Bit defensive Boz……..

              • March 19th 2017 @ 5:50pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 19th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

                Not really.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 7:14pm
                Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

                Yeah Rhys No Aussies got all fired up over the Clown-gate did they. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah And that was written by an Aussie lol

                How was the Holiday in NZ a month ago Rhys? Hope you got to catch up with all your Kiwi rellies.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 8:15pm
                ebop said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:15pm | ! Report

                Hope we were all on our best behaviour and only said wonderful things about Australia

            • March 19th 2017 @ 9:00am
              Deano said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

              “He’s a not particularly well-known rugby journalist (at least in Britain). ”

              Oh really? Stephen Jones: Rugby writer for twenty years at the Times and Sunday Times, twice voted Sports Correspondent of the Year by the Sports Journalists’ Association, and was voted Best Rugby Journalist just LAST MONTH at the SJA.

              You really haven’t got a clue.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 9:09am
                FunBus said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

                No, you really haven’t got a clue. By definition we all love rugby on these boards, but in England it’s a relatively minority sport. A rugby journalist, on a broadsheet in England is really not a big deal. I’d be willing to bet a higher proportion of the population of NZ have heard of Jones than in England.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 11:16am
                Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                Funbus you are not much fun. A minor sport in England? Maybe a minor sport should stop mouthing off so much then.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 11:27am
                Mapu said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                Funbus has no driver

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:02pm
                ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

                So if he is not a particularly well known rugby journalist in Britain then who are the well known rugby journalists in Britain.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 1:05pm
                ebop said | March 19th 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

                I bet he is well known to rugby fans which is the point

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 2:37pm
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

                Minority sport?

                Tell me then, how many other sports had over 60,000 attend them at the same time several times in the last month in the U.K.

                I’m sure there’s a long list before we get to the minority ones.

                Cmon, roll them off…

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 7:29pm
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:29pm | ! Report

                Oh…that many…

            • March 20th 2017 @ 6:03am
              adastra32 said | March 20th 2017 @ 6:03am | ! Report

              Jones is a hack and will write whatever he thinks will get attention. NZ has its own journalistic trolls too, I believe – stand up Chris Rattue….

              • March 20th 2017 @ 3:42pm
                ads2600 said | March 20th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

                Too right adastra32, Chris Rattue is a disgrace to New Zealand sport & media.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 9:13am
        mzilikazi said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

        Reason ??…is he related to John Reason, who wrote for the Daily telegraph in the 70’s. I can remember him being so disliked by the ’74 Lions in SA that they refused to use his name….he was referred to only as “That Man”.

        Clive Woodward…he once said that England were so superior to the other then 4 nations that they would have to stop playing such inferior opposition, and move to mainly playing the S. Hemisphere teams. Not sure of my facts, but pretty sure England in the next few years lost a load of games to Ireland…and probably Wales also..and France.

        One needs to be very careful downing any top tier team……any one of the top ten or so is,IMO, capable of beating any of the others on a day of perfect performance, and the opponent being just a bit off their game.

        Keeps it all interesting !

        • March 19th 2017 @ 12:06pm
          ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

          There is a Mark Reason in NZ who is a son of the late John Reason.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 4:26pm
          Eric Willis said | March 19th 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

          I couldn’t agree more, though as for Clive Woodward, and his silly comments, he’s the reason I’ve been unable to ever support England since.

    • Roar Guru

      March 19th 2017 @ 7:14am
      taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:14am | ! Report

      We want Eddie, we want eddie!

      Anyone got the lowdown on his post match comments?

      Itll probably be a little off the cuff as he will have biffed his prepared one away.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 7:19am
        Michaelj said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:19am | ! Report

        Emperor Eddie’s new clothes?

      • Roar Guru

        March 19th 2017 @ 7:25am
        Poth Ale said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:25am | ! Report

        Well in fairness Eddie thought the same as you, T-man.

        You tipped England for the grand slam as you told us all repeatedly over the last couple of months.

        But it didn’t happen. C’est la vie.

        • Roar Guru

          March 19th 2017 @ 7:33am
          taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:33am | ! Report

          Yea I did, unlike others who picked an irish slam of all things. Happy to … finally… be wrong?
          Like eddies speech I was still in it with a minute to go. Wouldnt be the worst pick around now would it?
          I had faith in them, pity they didnt themselves. A game that should really have been won got away on them.
          England got sucked in to reverting back to their old ways, and Care at the end was just terrible.
          Not sure of his lions chances now.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 9:20am
            mzilikazi said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

            “England got sucked in to reverting back to their old ways”….I have not yet watched the game, T-man, but I am sure what you say is spot on.

            Sadly for England, this is their history..failure to play to their strengths across the board. A grinding forward game, ignoring talented backs, is surely a cardinal sin.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 2:37pm
            Highlander said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

            RE England being ‘sucked in’ TMan

            Pressure doesn’t build character, it reveals it………and despite their significant improvement, when it really mattered, this England side folded and reverted to type.

        • March 19th 2017 @ 8:49am
          JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 8:49am | ! Report

          Eddie, firstly took full responsibility for the loss, saying he hadn’t prepared the team well enough, then congratulated Ireland then seemed to take the whole thing on the chin, saying that a few things didn’t function properly from an England point of view ie the line out. Plenty to work on, but he’s not going to throw the baby out with the bath water sort of thing.

          • Roar Guru

            March 19th 2017 @ 9:07am
            taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

            Good sign then Jimmy because he will certainly be frustrated at the fact that he now has a long period of relative obscurity with the side. Taking a half at best England to Argie in June, then a wait for the AIs where he wont play NZ so at best has a goal of another GS in twelve months time.
            He wont like that after being top dog for over 12 months straight.
            The relative obscurity will test him.
            He’ll now wish he had the Lions and WAS playing the ABs next week, so how he copes with the next few months will be interesting.
            I think he should be getting stuck into club rugby big time. Identifying the next 30 players, involving himself personally or via his team with their progress etc.

            Hes a control freak so that sort of work has an endless supply of work related with it… I mean how good does he want his next tier to be.

            And it might distract him from the Lions tour which will completely steal his limelight.

            • March 19th 2017 @ 9:28am
              Bill said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

              Perhaps not, has Gatland named his backup staff yet

              • March 19th 2017 @ 10:18am
                Old Bugger said | March 19th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

                Gats has not only named his 3 assistant coaches, I read the other day that he’s also added 2 water-boys – Jenkins and Rountree. Perhaps, EJ can join as Gat’s PA….now that, would be something huh???

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:33pm
                ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

                Lions Coaches – Gatland,Borthwick,Farrell,Howley, Rowntree,Jenkins

              • March 20th 2017 @ 12:38pm
                Sydney Potae said | March 20th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

                Would you have eddie in your ear or the teams telling everone his opinion instead of following your vision as head coach and not his eddie not very good at playing 2nd fiddle

            • March 19th 2017 @ 9:54am
              JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

              I suspect that he will relish taking the England leftovers to Argentina, he’ll also get a chance to try out some unknown quantities like Underhill. No doubt he will challenge the players to seize the opportunity to nail down a shirt.
              There’s a good deal of England fans who are more excited by the Argentina tour than they are the Lions, simply to see what the future looks like.
              But let’s be clear the Lions are on a hiding to nothing, England at least stand a realistic chance in Argentina.

              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 11:13am
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                JimmyB that hiding to nothing thing is just not allowed on the menu!
                One of the reasons the ABs might win is being told how beaten they’ll be so this loss did that part of the master plan no good at all.?

              • March 19th 2017 @ 12:38pm
                JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report


              • Roar Guru

                March 19th 2017 @ 2:07pm
                taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

                Lions being on a hiding to nothing I meant. The plan…my plan? is for a media beat up around the Lions gaining confidence over the next three months.

                The effect of that, and it happened in 05, was to put the ABs in such a position that they thought they were playing a much superior side and that is rare.

                And the result, and convincing scorelines reflected how much they were up for it. They had better wins then than they do against the single countries touring who always nearly get one or two wins, or France, who often get them.

                The England run will go towards that, as will selection of the side but had they won it would have been that much more intense.

                Anyway, it’s going to be a great next few months.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm
                JimmyB said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

                Oh ok, fair enough. I’m pretty sure though that everybody connected to the Lions is going to be fully aware of the almighty task ahead of them. I wish them well but hold out little hope for them unfortunately.

              • March 19th 2017 @ 11:18pm
                Fin said | March 19th 2017 @ 11:18pm | ! Report

                I agree with that Jimmy. Eddie used his time coaching Japan to really try things with ‘lesser’ players which helped his coaching a great deal. I think he will relish the tour away from the pressure.

      • March 19th 2017 @ 12:39pm
        ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

        For the record – Eddie Jones post match press conference.

        • Roar Guru

          March 19th 2017 @ 2:15pm
          taylorman said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

          Yes very good actually. Quite a comparatively sombre Eddie really but I enjoyed that. He knows exactly where he’s at, England are still in good hands.

          Might not be what he says in the changing rooms but as a Press conference that went well.

          • March 19th 2017 @ 2:36pm
            ClarkeG said | March 19th 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

            Liked his quip at the end about Heaslip’s injury – “….maybe he was tackled by a leprechaun in the warm up..”

            I find him entertaining – great for international rugby.

            • March 19th 2017 @ 7:20pm
              Jacko said | March 19th 2017 @ 7:20pm | ! Report

              I enjoy the Banter he comes up with too. Cant wait until the ABs V England pre match banter between Eddie and Steve…One very dry humour and one just bubbles away constantly….Should be fun….

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