Inconsistency from refs and the Bunker are ruining the NRL

Jem Nash Roar Rookie

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    The weekend’s match between the Penrith Panthers and Sydney Roosters highlighted the issue must hurting the game of rugby league, and consequently turning fans away.

    On Saturday night, the Panthers were holding onto a slim 12-10 lead with just under ten minutes to go, before a Michael Gordon try in the 73rd minute gave the Roosters the lead that eventually saw them win.

    However, the try came after a forward pass from Latrell Mitchell to winger Daniel Tupou who then put the kick through for Gordon to score.

    NRL Referees Boss Tony Archer came out the next day and admitted the referees got this decision wrong. However, this is little consolation for the Panthers, who still walk away from the match with no competition points.

    This sort of issue has plagued the NRL; too many times has a decision by the referee directly affected the result of a match. There must be consequences for the referees involved, it isn’t enough for the NRL to admit a mistake, only for the same referees to make the same mistake down the track.

    Imagine if that decision was made in a grand final. Imagine if the two points that Penrith presumably would have received is the difference between them making the top eight or not. The referees need to be held accountable – if a player performs poorly, they are dropped. It should be the same for the referees.

    The inconsistency between games is frustrating as well. Ask two people the definition of the obstruction rule and you are almost guaranteed to get different answers. On multiple occasions tries have been disallowed for an obstruction, then awarded the next week in the same situation.

    The introduction of the Bunker was meant to add consistency from week to week, however it has not eventuated. Added to that, more than half of potential tries being sent upstairs only aggravates fans more.

    Furthermore, the amount of penalties blown in a game does not make for exciting footy. Already this season, 323 penalties have been conceded. That is an average of 13.5 per game, which results in a stoppage approximately every six minutes. That does not make for exciting footy.

    If the NRL wants to keep their fans, changes must be made.

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    • March 21st 2017 @ 12:00pm
      jeandetroyes said | March 21st 2017 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

      Welcome to planet earth. This sort of thing happens in every sport that has ever been played and is part of life. If it was deliberate than something would indeed need to be be done, but it’s not and we need to live with it.

      • May 22nd 2017 @ 11:44am
        Philip Sinclair said | May 22nd 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

        The biggest problem in NRL is the refs are much too involved in nit picking penalties but miss many important infringements. Most Super League refs let the game flow. Our refs to me seem like a bunch of Prima donnas. The refs for a game should receive no publicity.

    • March 21st 2017 @ 12:07pm
      Parrafan said | March 21st 2017 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

      Gee Roosters scored 3 tries to 1. For mine the pass was marginally forward out of the hands taking into account the ball was thrown at speed and would have drifted forward had it been passed backwards out of the hands.

      Penrith had nine errors, conceded 10 penalties, completed at 77% and had 47% possession. The touchy made one error. Put the heat back on the players not on the refs.

      If you don’t want to see so many penalties blown, teams need to stop giving away penalties. The refs are there to officiate the game and blow penalties for foul play. How is it their fault if they have to blow multiple penalties because one or both teams continue to infringe?

      NRL has such a bad culture of ref blaming because it’s the easy option.

      • March 21st 2017 @ 12:15pm
        andrew said | March 21st 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

        +1.

        They scored one try and their only avenue to attack was to put up a Cleary bomb and have guys run through and “pretend” they were going for the ball to put Gordon off. They didn’t deserve to win.

        I was at the ground and a neutral supporter and the Panthers were poor – only really getting out of their own end on the back of penalties. So even if the pass was marginally forward, I think the better team won.

      • Roar Guru

        March 21st 2017 @ 4:07pm
        Kaks said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

        Came to post something similar, but you did it better than I would’ve! Spot on mate.

      • Roar Guru

        March 21st 2017 @ 4:51pm
        The Barry said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

        That’s at the core of it Parrafan.

        Teams have 80 minutes to win games, they make dozens of poor decisions per game that blow or concede points. It’s desparation to turn around and say ‘the ref cost us the game’

        If you took all the comments on the Roar over the weekend at face value, then refs decided the outcome of five of the eight games. I watched all or parts of all the games over the weekend and that’s not at all what I saw. That’s not including the conspiracy theories that the NRL has a predetermined premier in mind and the refs are managing games accordingly to execute the NRL’s strategy.

        It’s absurd.

        Refs are going to make mistakes. Occasionally they will be key ones but teams have plenty of opportunities to win games outside that one decision.

        • Roar Guru

          March 21st 2017 @ 5:14pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

          As a Cowboys supporter, I was absolutely livered at the final call of the first semifinal in 2014 v the Roosters. That game would put any diehard supporter through a range of emotions, I remember that game like it was yesterday.

          Being blasted out of the park early 30-0 they look to be on the end of an absolute flogging, then jagging 2 tries before the break to go into half time at 30-12 to have some hope. Then 18 unaswered points is answered by a BBQ FG to give them the lead just 6 minutes from time. 1 minute and 40odd seconds from time the ball comes away past the hands of Lui, does he touch it? Tt bounces once, its picked up by a flying Thurston who stumbles then romps away to swan dive and score! The biggest ever comeback in rugby league history!

          It goes to the video ref and is awarded a no try, ruled a Robert Lui knock on. I swear with utter conviction, the conspiracy is alive and well. JT post match interview is one of the gutwrenching things you will hear on a football field.

          I was ropeable for days, but looking back on it, it’s a 50/50 at best.

          Besides you let any team out to a 30-0 lead after 25 odd minutes, you don’t deserve to win!

          • March 21st 2017 @ 9:39pm
            Oingo Boingo said | March 21st 2017 @ 9:39pm | ! Report

            Geez VH , time to move on old mate .

          • March 22nd 2017 @ 4:38pm
            Tommy said | March 22nd 2017 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

            The Cowboys scored 2 tries in that game that should never have been given. The first was off a forward pass and the other should’ve been a Roosters penalty as Mini got taken out in mid air. And Lui 100% knocked that on at the end.

            The Cowboys had no one to blame but themselves and that’s what they did. You can’t be 30-0 behind and blame everyone else afterwards.

            • Roar Guru

              March 22nd 2017 @ 4:46pm
              Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 22nd 2017 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

              Besides you let any team out to a 30-0 lead after 25 odd minutes, you don’t deserve to win!

        • Roar Rookie

          March 21st 2017 @ 5:55pm
          3_Hats SSTID 2014 said | March 21st 2017 @ 5:55pm | ! Report

          So far, Barry, I can’t complain about the Refs in any of the 3 Souths games this season at all.

          I think they have been fair for both teams, sure there have been a few errors here or there but we can’t expect them to be perfect. all the time!

          • Roar Guru

            March 21st 2017 @ 6:44pm
            The Barry said | March 21st 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

            Same here 3 hats.

            I could go through and pick out calls that have gone against the dogs as I’m sure you could with the bunnies…but it’s missing the point.

            I’m sure we’ll both have a clanger go against us by the end of the season. But we’ll also get one that goes for us. We can’t blow up about the bad call that goes against us if we quietly accept the one that goes our way.

            • Roar Rookie

              March 21st 2017 @ 9:35pm
              William Dalton Davis said | March 21st 2017 @ 9:35pm | ! Report

              The only genuinely poorly reffed game I’ve witnessed so far imo was Broncos cowboys. The ruck was inconsistently policed all night and there were way too many forward passes missed. I’m not a huge stickler for forward passes but the one for Kahus try along with several others from both teams were shockingly blatant.

              The penalty against Blair for a flop tackle at the death was also a joke and I found it ridiculous that it seemed whenever one side got in the lead the whistle only blew for the trailing side. At one point I thought perhaps the main referee was simply struggling to keep up. I distinctly remember him having a chat to the captains and being rather short of breath.

              We also got a snapshot at the consequences of life without the bunker in general play with Feldt I believe being ruled to have knocked on with the ball coming off his legs and a Brisbane player then batting the ball out. One quick look while packing the scrum was all it took to see it clearly never touched his hand, but no. It wasn’t a howler by any stretch but surely a ref should be able to just say “yeah just have a quick look at that mate” while a 20 second ad for a ute/booze/gambling plays for the TV audience.

              Other than that one game though, while there’s been mistakes here and there and a few harsh 50/50s I wouldn’t say any of the other games I’ve watched had been poorly officiated.

      • Roar Rookie

        March 21st 2017 @ 5:43pm
        3_Hats SSTID 2014 said | March 21st 2017 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

        You have just convinced yourself it WAS a FORWARD Pass.,
        Forward “Out of the Hands”

      • Roar Rookie

        May 21st 2017 @ 1:18pm
        3_Hats SSTID 2014 said | May 21st 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

        STILL, a forward pass, marginally out of the hands is FORWARD.
        FULL STOP

    • March 21st 2017 @ 12:27pm
      KingCowboy said | March 21st 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

      Wow only took three rounds for the rubbish to begin. Seriously get a life mate. This is one of the worst articles I have ever read. Mistakes are going to happen. Refs are not perfect and even if they were, people like you would find something else to complain about. This is why kids don’t want to be refs and umpires because rubbish like this is written. Really sad that the Roar would even publish this.

      • March 21st 2017 @ 8:03pm
        Kevin Malone said | March 21st 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

        agree strongly

    • Roar Guru

      March 21st 2017 @ 1:03pm
      Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

      Wow! I am deadset surprised that referees running up and down the field for 80minutes surrounded by thousands of people baying for thier blood and 26 angry muscular blokes yelling at them make mistakes.

      The referees need to be held accountable – if a player performs poorly, they are dropped. It should be the same for the referees.If referees make deadset errors consistently they are dropped. Have a look at the touch judges every week, you will find there is 2 or 3 who used to be referees and have been dropped. They also video review each of their performances every week.

      Ask two people the definition of the obstruction rule and you are almost guaranteed to get different answers. Its not the referees fault that fans dont educate themselves. The rules are pretty clearcut.

      On multiple occasions tries have been disallowed for an obstruction, then awarded the next week in the same situation. I dare you to name those 2 occasions if they were so obvious.

      The introduction of the Bunker was meant to add consistency from week to week, however it has not eventuated. Care to elabotrate on how you came to this conclusion? Give me 3 examples of inconsistency, seperate to examples of the above (if you can provide me those) .

      Added to that, more than half of potential tries being sent upstairs only aggravates fans more. So do you want consistency or not? By sending the decisions upstairs to get the correct decision made are they not enabling consistency? If referees ruled on things when they had reasonable doubt, I gurantee there would be more inconsistency.

      Furthermore, the amount of penalties blown in a game does not make for exciting footy. Already this season, 323 penalties have been conceded. That is an average of 13.5 per game, which results in a stoppage approximately every six minutes. So referees should not rule on clear infringements for fear of blowing too many penalties? They should get to say 8 per game and go. Woo, hold up boys, no more penalties will be blown, too many in this game already.

      Besides, every referee decision decides a match. Everything happens because of the referee. They award the try, the conversion they determine the defensive line, they award penalties, they make the sinbins.

      This is a complete non-issue and this rant belongs on Facebook, not here.

      • March 21st 2017 @ 1:18pm
        KingCowboy said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

        Vinny this could be the best response I have ever read.

        • Roar Guru

          March 21st 2017 @ 3:06pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

          I will be honest KC, if there is one thing that makes my blood boil about rugby league its the constant barrage of anti-referee sentiment. I will take on anyone about it.

          I know its almost an Australian right at this point but its really started to get to me.

          I mean I blow up at call at the game or on when I am watching on TV, but its part and parcel. I don’t know how we expect humans to be perfect . We are flawed by nature.

          • March 21st 2017 @ 8:04pm
            Kevin Malone said | March 21st 2017 @ 8:04pm | ! Report

            so true Vincent, this is formulaic cliched rubbish

      • Roar Rookie

        March 21st 2017 @ 4:02pm
        eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

        Very, very well said VH. I read this report earlier on another site and could not believe the garbage that the author was on about. The referees aren’t picking up all of the errors and penalties, but they are blowing too many penalties and ruining the excitement of the game… Please, what rubbish.

        And the referees are held accountable, and like you say, if they are dropped if they consistently make errors. the author says they should be dropped like players, but it is only the fringe first graders who are dropped for errors, unless they are constant.

        One thing I will say is that I think the touchies need to improve their game a bit, they should be the ones picking up forward passes. That being said, they are still human and will make mistakes. At the end of the day it is the old swings and roundabouts, over the course of the game/season things tend to even themselves out.

        The constant berating of referees annoys the hell out of me, not just at NRL level, but more importantly in junior sport. I am surprised they still have people who are willing to be referees.

        • Roar Guru

          March 21st 2017 @ 4:16pm
          Kaks said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

          I’ve read a great article on the Roar by an ex-NRL touch judge which stated that momentum is considered by touchies with regards to forward passes. Passes may have left the hands going backwards from the passer before traveling forward due to momentum. Might be why we as fans get so frustrated, because we dont take in that consideration

          • Roar Rookie

            March 21st 2017 @ 4:36pm
            eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

            Exactly, the forward pass rule has nothing to do with where the ball ends up. It is all about the direction the ball left the hands. Of course when a player is at top speed and throws a line ball it is going to result in the pass appearing to be forward.

      • Roar Guru

        March 21st 2017 @ 4:08pm
        Kaks said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

        Perfect response Vincent

    • March 21st 2017 @ 1:04pm
      Sean said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

      The penalties will be less if the actually refs send people to the bin like they said they would preseason.

      Get rid of the video referee system and you get rid of 5-7 stoppages a game as well.

      Referees controlled the game for a 100 years before technology came in and it was fine. If your team was hard done by a call, then usually it evens out through the year. Get rid of bunker and starting binning players. We will save 10 minutes a game and it will bring the smaller players back into the game.

      • Roar Rookie

        March 21st 2017 @ 4:41pm
        eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

        On its own your comment makes sense and sounds good. The problem is that we now have television cameras that show things from all angles and the networks constantly replay “errors” that are made by officials. On top of this mainstream and social media then plaster these all over their pages immediately and the next day.

        If the technology is there, then it should be used. The problem with the NRL is that they cannot make up their mind on how they want to use the technology, as evident by the constant changing of what the video ref/bunker can rule on. They need to be strong enough to make the decision and stick to it.

        • Roar Guru

          March 21st 2017 @ 4:52pm
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

          I think they have got it right now if I am honest.

          The NRL Bunker will rule on point-scoring plays, in-goal restarts and reportable foul play only in the 2017 NRL Telstra Premiership.

          Reportable is being interpreted at the moment and last year as pretty blatant acts, not 50/50s.

          Its also worth noting that last year the Bunker was used less than the video ref in 2015.

          • Roar Rookie

            March 21st 2017 @ 7:14pm
            eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

            Agreed. I also think that is probably what the video ref was originally introduced for. Things just got out of hand for a while.

    • Roar Rookie

      March 21st 2017 @ 1:07pm
      steveng said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

      I fully agree with you ‘Jem Nash’. The refereeing in the NRL is pathetic and it borders on obsessive, most of the time I’m sure that the refs just give them, to make up the numbers. The NRL haven’t got enough top referees to be able to replace them like players and that is another big problem. The round 3 refereeing was riddled with a glut of penalties, that are detrimental to the game of Rugby League. In some games, I shook my head and wondered ‘what that penalty was for’??? And if ‘KingCowboy’ thinks that ‘Mistakes are going to happen’ then how come they happen every week and in most cases these refereeing mistakes cost teams points and games. The line refereeing is none existent and these jokers never commit to a call, they wait for the 2 centre referees to make the calls, like it happened between the Panthers and the Roosters, with the forward pass that cost the panthers the game. Good article, Jem Nash!.

      • March 21st 2017 @ 1:13pm
        KingCowboy said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

        Sounds easy as, you should get a job as an NRL ref. You seem like you are smarter then the average person and know everything about the game. good luck with your new job.

      • Roar Guru

        March 21st 2017 @ 1:40pm
        Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

        how come they happen every week and in most cases these refereeing mistakes cost teams points and games.

        Care to give me some examples, say 3?

        • Roar Rookie

          March 21st 2017 @ 2:08pm
          steveng said | March 21st 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

          Firstly KingCowboy, its not easy, and if I was a ref I’d let allot of petty and silly penalties go, which is more than what these NRL refs do, purely to let the game flow and be a much better game. I’d be particularly concentrating on the most important aspect of NRL refereeing and that is a ‘Forward Pass’ which is a basic principal that a ref should get right and they don’t!!!

          MAX, a perfect example was the Panthers and every game that was on, either this week, last week and you could go back forever. Even Blocker Roach pointed out in a Fox telecast, that the ref is taking it out on his ‘Pea’ from his whistle, in a telecast on the weekend.. I’m sure that some of these refs are having problems at home and their only outlet is the ‘pea’ in their whistle lol. But seriously, if you look at ‘Super league’ in Britain the refs there give at least 50% per game less penalties than what the NRL refs do and as Jem Nash pointed out (in this article) “Already this season, 323 penalties have been conceded. That is an average of 13.5 per game, which results in a stoppage approximately every six minutes”…323 penalties for 24 games…”WOW”…if that is not excessive and obsessive then ‘I don’t know’ what is!!! My advice is, that all game(s) should be left to flow, because if they do and are, we will see the best RL that has ever been played or seen on this planet, EVER! That has been proven in SOO and some International games, but in the NRL comp, the NRL refs are, I’m sure ‘Obsessive with penalising and blowing the peas out of their whistles’!

          • Roar Guru

            March 21st 2017 @ 2:33pm
            Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

            But seriously, if you look at ‘Super league’ in Britain the refs there give at least 50% per game less penalties than what the NRL refs do and as Jem Nash pointed out (in this article)

            I just seriously looked at the the Super League. Results are below. I trust I haven’t got anything wrong.

            Super League 2017 Season. 537 Penalties Across 32 Games. Average 16.78.

            • Roar Pro

              March 21st 2017 @ 3:50pm
              MrJSquishy said | March 21st 2017 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

              …and, if you look at Season 2016 in the Super League, there were 2,293 penalties in 141 games (138 regular season plus 3 finals) meaning an average of 16.26 penalties per game. There was also 57 “yellow cards” (sin-bin) and 5 “red cards” (send off). I think it’s pretty clear the Super League referees aren’t pulling any punches to let the game flow!

              Also, I just found an extraordinary set of statistics (had been to the site before but not for penalty counts). Have a look at these average ‘penalties per game’ from 2016 going back to 1980:
              2016 – 13.68, 2015 – 13.08, 2014 – 12.96, 2013 – 13.07, 2012 – 10.53 (very low), 2011 – 11.04 (again, low), 2010 – 11.33 (still low), 2009 – 11.82, 2008 – 12.81 (back to average), 2007 – 13.32, 2006 – 11.67, 2005 – 12.67, 2004 – 13.95, 2003 – 13.57, 2002 – 13.07, 2001 – 11.98, 2000 – 11.69, 1999 – 11.76, 1998 – 12.46, 1997 – 13.55, 1996 – 14.12, 1995 – 13.81, 1994 – 13.25, 1993 – 13.29, 1992 – 12.78, 1991 – 13.72…you would have to say it’s been fairly consistent up to here, but, here is where it gets interesting…

              1990 – 15.57, 1989 – 14.66, 1988 – 16.56, 1987 – 16.83 (climbing), 1986 – 17.70 (still climbing), 1985 – 17.83, 1984 – 19.10, 1983 – 21.95, 1982 – 20.94, 1981 – 21.49 (wow!), 1980 – 20.57! I don’t think I realised how many penalties used to be blown in the 80’s! And “fans” are complaining about penalty counts now?

              • Roar Guru

                March 21st 2017 @ 4:53pm
                Magnus M. Østergaard said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

                Thats pretty interesting! Appreciate the insight MrJSquishy!

              • Roar Rookie

                March 21st 2017 @ 6:01pm
                steveng said | March 21st 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

                Well, let’s compare the last 141 games here compared to Britain and see the difference. Does anyone agree that in SOO and International games, the refereeing is different and the refs let play flow and the games are better for it.

              • March 21st 2017 @ 7:55pm
                db said | March 21st 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

                MrJSquishy, it’s very unfair of you to use facts in an argument about feelings.

              • Roar Pro

                March 22nd 2017 @ 10:11am
                MrJSquishy said | March 22nd 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

                steveng: if you want to compare the last 141 games with Super League, a near enough estimate would be the average in 2016 combined with the average in 2017 (so far). A total of 225 games. In those games the total penalties is 3068. That is an average of 13.64 penalties per game. Still 2.62 penalties per game less than Super League.

                With regards to SOO, yes, there are fewer penalties in those games, but, considering how close Origin games are, traditionally, of course penalties will be lower, because a penalty here and there can cost the game. But, if you look at penalty counts in the last 7 series (2010 to 2016) there were 213 penalties in 21 games. That’s still an average of 10.14 penalties per game. Not what I would call a significant difference. And just for interests sake, NSW has averaged 5 penalties per game, and Queensland have averaged 5.14 per game. If you look at this year in the NRL, each game is averaging 13.29 penalties per game which equates to 6.65 penalties per team per game. Only one and a half more penalties per game per team than in SOO…

          • March 21st 2017 @ 2:56pm
            kk said | March 21st 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

            steveng,

            Refs seem to run with rule book targets of the week. As Roarer ‘peter bloor’
            emphasised many times they are there to deliver their interpretation of the rules.

            At the risk of being branded repetitious the ARL/NRL Rule book needs to be
            disambiguated.

          • Roar Rookie

            March 21st 2017 @ 4:27pm
            eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

            Actually, a forward pass is probably one of the more difficult things to adjudicate on in the game, especially the “line ball” ones. Firstly, the referees are rarely in line with the ball carrier, so unless it is blatant it is very hard to judge. Secondly, many passes appear forward due to the ball floating forward, although it came out of the hands backwards, and the referee cannot always see this. If anything, forward passes should be called by the touch judge, as they should be in a better position.

            And you say you would let a lot of the petty and silly penalties go? What if that was to cost a team a game?

            And please do tell me how a forward pass is the most important aspect of NRL refereeing? More important than high tackles, getting the tackle count right, knock ons? I could go on….

            • Roar Guru

              March 21st 2017 @ 5:01pm
              The Barry said | March 21st 2017 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

              Then you get the effect of the passing player’s momentum being stopped suddenly, the ball finishing up well forward relative to the passing player even though it was backwards out of the hands.

              Really though what steveng is saying is that he’d apply his own interpretation of the rules to deliver the product he finds most desirable. Which is no different to what the NRL and refs do. It just doesn’t align with his desirable product.

              • Roar Rookie

                March 21st 2017 @ 6:17pm
                steveng said | March 21st 2017 @ 6:17pm | ! Report

                eels47 and The Barry, a forward pass is a forward pass, every touchie should be up and with the play, that’s his job, well one of his jobs that they dom’t do very well. All touchies should call it, Its a shame that they can’t and can’t keep up with the play, at all times. A forward pass that comes out of a passing player backwards (even though it drifts, gets blown by the wind etc) forward, should be classified as a forward pass, that is why I said ‘a forward pass is a forward pass’ and a flat pass, should also be classified as a forward pass.as it was in the old days. It’s just bad luck if it drifts, gets blown forward. A proper pass is always thrown backwards and is meant to land in the intended players arm, that is RL and what the rules state, they should not be changed to propelled, flat or whatever else pass, so that RL ends up like AFL or Soccer.

              • Roar Rookie

                March 21st 2017 @ 7:18pm
                eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

                Sorry but the rule states that if it is backwards out of the hands it is not a forward pass regardless of where it ends up. Check the post below from Arthur rightus….

              • Roar Guru

                March 21st 2017 @ 6:49pm
                The Barry said | March 21st 2017 @ 6:49pm | ! Report

                You’ve just ruled out any try from open play or a line break.

                It’s impossible to be running at pace and pass the ball so it lands behind where it was thrown from.

                That’s not my interpretation, it’s the laws of physics.

                So unless they played league in alternate universe with different laws of nature then they most certainly didn’t throw every pass backwards in the old days.

                The only pass that your interpretation applies to is passes from dummy half.

              • Roar Rookie

                March 21st 2017 @ 7:18pm
                eels47 said | March 21st 2017 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

                Cameron Smith comes to mind here…..

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