It’s time for the Southern Brumbies

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    The decision to cut the Australian Super Rugby sides from five to four floored me. Based on all previous rhetoric about maintaining a national footprint, I didn’t think the ARU would do it.

    I was furious. I took to social media and ranted to anyone who would listen. I threatened to walk away from the game.

    As someone said, that is a perfectly understandable response based on emotion. However these decisions can’t be made on emotion. Now that its sunk in, I have been able to view it more rationally.

    While journalists and rugby supporters from other countries have commented about the widening gap between Australian rugby and the Kiwi teams, I have refused to listen.

    I have been championing the need to make rugby a national game. I have travelled interstate to many Rebel, Brumby and Force games to lend my support, however its now become quite evident that we expanded too quickly without the correct pathways in place.

    I have been refusing to acknowledge it because if I did I would be admitting we failed. In the cold light of day it’s evident we are stretched too thin and the results on the field are reflecting that.

    A fellow rugby enthusiast on social media commented that cutting a team is the wrong action and consolidation is what is required. Wayne Smith in The Australian was thinking along similar lines when he said the Brumbies should move to Melbourne.

    The idea of the Rebels and Brumbies merging is the right idea, but the Brumbies shouldn’t move to Melbourne.

    I believe the answer is the formation of the Southern Brumbies. A team that represents the ACT, Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia. The team is based in Canberra but plays 50 per cent of its home games in Melbourne and 50 per cent in Canberra.

    Where the team’s head office resides shouldn’t matter. All Australian rugby supporters barrack for the Wallabies and the Sevens squads even though they are essentially based in Sydney.

    We support them because they represent us and they play their games in our capital cities.

    The creation of this mega club should be view as an incredible opportunity for rugby in this country. Canberra needs access to a bigger market, while Melbourne needs to break through the cluttered sporting noise by joining the winners circle.

    While building a successful future, this team can leverage the iconic Brumbies brand and bask in the glory of being Australia’s most successful Super Rugby side.

    It can be successful because it would have access to a better roster, a broader player pool, more sponsors and more fans. Over eight million people reside in the Southern States.

    This new union would have an independent board that includes representation from the ACTRU and VRU.

    To ensure the club isn’t slowly engulfed by the larger market, the club’s constitution must stipulate that the team is always head quartered in Canberra and 50 per cent of the home games are played there.

    Andrew Cox the current owner of the Melbourne Rebels would become a major shareholder in the new venture.

    All players would be assigned premier clubs in both the ACT and the Melbourne. They would rarely play for these teams but it would ensure there was a connection and engagement into both cities.

    The pathway to Super Rugby needs to be kept. The Brumby Runners and the Melbourne Rising would still compete in the NRC.

    The Rising would comprise of players essentially from the Dewar Shield competition in Melbourne and would have to be supported by the ARU.

    In South Australia and Tasmania the State rugby unions would promote the Southern Brumbies to show the connection and pathway to Super rugby.

    The Force would do the same in Western Australia and the Northern Territory and rugby would achieve the national footprint.

    The Rebels have said that a cut would not happen on their watch, but what happens if they along with their compatriots in Canberra could create a new Brumbies dynasty on their watch? A new power club with great market potential that would rival the strength of NSW and Queensland.

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    • April 17th 2017 @ 2:39am
      Jock Cornet said | April 17th 2017 @ 2:39am | ! Report

      The ARU deliberately destroyed the Shute shield and Brissy clubs where players were developed . That is why the players are crap and SR teams are now useless . This merge idea though is ludicrous it is either the rebels or force or both. It’s not like they have done a whole lot or developed players or club pathways for locals. 10 years and virtually nothing though the ARU gave them little help.

      • Roar Pro

        April 17th 2017 @ 1:46pm
        Crazy Horse said | April 17th 2017 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

        There are ten Premier Grade Clubs all fielding teams from under 6 right through to Premier Grade. This is the competition that has produce Dane Hayley-Petty (and his brother) Kyle Godwin and just this week Richard Hardwick for the Wallabies. A completion that has produced 11 of the 23 players Force teams this season. A competition that has produced the reigning NRC Champuons and numerous successful Junior Gold Cup teams.

        There are also quite a few non-Premier Grade clubs and if course schools competitions.

        All with bugger all help from the [Eastern] Australian Rugby Union.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 10:26pm
        Train Without A Station said | April 17th 2017 @ 10:26pm | ! Report

        How did they destroy it?

        Not subsidising it is not destroying it.

    • Roar Guru

      April 17th 2017 @ 3:08am
      El Gamba said | April 17th 2017 @ 3:08am | ! Report

      I like your thinking p.tah, opportunity comes out of adversity, I don’t think the ARU are bold enough though

      • April 17th 2017 @ 11:24am
        Jibba Jabba said | April 17th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

        The aru has proven it is intellectually impaired and does not have the capacity to think laterally. Slash & burn is all they have the capacity for = kindergarten level.

    • April 17th 2017 @ 3:22am
      Ronb said | April 17th 2017 @ 3:22am | ! Report

      Just bone the Force its the easiest option

    • Roar Guru

      April 17th 2017 @ 4:09am
      Shop said | April 17th 2017 @ 4:09am | ! Report

      I don’t pretend to know the workings of either team but at least you’ve presented your argument with a positive spin. The handling of this entire debacle has shown how aimless the ARU is. A plan like this would have at least represented a little foresight on their behalf.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 17th 2017 @ 8:28am
        p.Tah said | April 17th 2017 @ 8:28am | ! Report

        The handling and communication has been atrocious. I can only compare it to the hunger games scenario.
        Where Australian fans were pretty much amicable in their discussion you can see them turning on each other. It’s moved beyond just healthy competition it’s quite hostile at times.

        This is my main gripe with the ARU.

        The other is what happens next if they do cut a team? Does that city lose their NRC team? Is there support for the junior development?

        I’m still holding hope the legal actions by the Force and Rebels ties the ARU hands and they can’t do anything until 2020 and that gives those clubs more time to find a better funding model. I live in hope…

        In the interim I look for solutions like this merger.

        • Roar Pro

          April 17th 2017 @ 1:50pm
          Crazy Horse said | April 17th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

          “Own The Force” has already received over 3,000 paid applications for $1000 shares. Many of the applications are for multiple shares. Mark Sinderberry stated on ABC radio yesterday that the Force is now self sustaining financially.

          • Roar Rookie

            April 17th 2017 @ 3:55pm
            p.Tah said | April 17th 2017 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

            Its impressive CH.
            I can’t even comprehend that they’re thinking of cutting the Force given the level of development and progress.
            WA are showing the way with grassroots growth without ARU funding.

    • April 17th 2017 @ 5:23am
      Milan said | April 17th 2017 @ 5:23am | ! Report

      I bet the only people who think this is a good idea are force, reds and waratahs fans. If mergers are so damn good then who’s up for the Queensland waratahs? Half the matches at suncorp and the other half at Allianz? No i didn’t think so.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 7:07am
        taylorman said | April 17th 2017 @ 7:07am | ! Report

        I’m up for that!?

        • April 17th 2017 @ 7:50am
          Red Menace said | April 17th 2017 @ 7:50am | ! Report

          Be careful Taylorman, that combined side might, I say again, might, get within 7 points of the Crusaders.

          • April 17th 2017 @ 11:23am
            Old Bugger said | April 17th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report


            There really isn’t anything, to be careful about…..if, the combined side does achieve what you suggest or, even better, than it proves the point about merging, to create a stronger side.

            If however it doesn’t, then what really has changed, from the current status…..nothing but more misery, upon AU rugby sides, its players and its grass-roots base??

            Any change, has got to go the full distance of either culling or merging and include, a “back to basics” investment approach to its grass-roots otherwise, doing nothing to try to stay viable will simply be, an irresponsible action that will threaten, the whole rugby environment, within Australia.

            Whether folks like it or not, global rugby is now, a professional environment where payment, is now the entitlement, for participating and doing nothing, will IMO, eventually condone Australian rugby, to a non-professional existence.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 7:22am
        Ruckin' Oaf said | April 17th 2017 @ 7:22am | ! Report

        the Qld Red Brumbies – half in Brisbane half in Canberra.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 17th 2017 @ 8:16am
        p.Tah said | April 17th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

        To be honest Milan I think think a merger is a pretty ordinary idea. I wish we weren’t even discussing these type of options.
        I can’t speak for any other Tah supporters, but if the Tahs were to merge with the Reds I would support this Northern team. This year there are 7 home games. Next season there are supposed to be more home games with the Super Rugby restructure. I don’t know the exact number but let’s say it’s 8 as a minimum. 4 home games could concentrate the crowds if marketed correctly. Perhaps the Melbourne games could be all scheduled on the 1st Saturday of every month and the Canberra games have a similar pattern. 4 games isn’t ideal but it’s a solution. The NRC may come more to the forefront to boost people’s rugby viewing quota.

        You can tell from my name I’m pretty fond of the Tahs, but most of all I care for Australian rugby. I can’t fathom us losing a Super Rugby team. I’m just trying to find a reasonable solution so that everyone still has an opportunity to support a team and the pathways are still maintained for aspiring young players.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 8:56am
        Timbo (L) said | April 17th 2017 @ 8:56am | ! Report

        Milan I am not sure if you are being facetious or not, but you could be onto something.
        The Reds could Merge with the Force, and/or the Tahs with the Rebels. Both would be needed if we rollback to super 12.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 11:26am
        Jibba Jabba said | April 17th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

        Shouldn’t they be cutting the reds. most are eligible for the pension anyway…

      • April 18th 2017 @ 3:17am
        Matt Jones said | April 18th 2017 @ 3:17am | ! Report

        yeah, smart idea. you dont realise how pitiful the force and rebels are

        • April 18th 2017 @ 6:49pm
          Jacko said | April 18th 2017 @ 6:49pm | ! Report

          Would that be the same Rebels who just beat the brumbies?

      • Roar Rookie

        April 18th 2017 @ 1:08pm
        piru said | April 18th 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

        The Queensland Waratahs?

        You mean the Wallabies?

    • April 17th 2017 @ 8:45am
      Timbo (L) said | April 17th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

      Both of our articles both published this morning, Both suggest a merger, Yours Southern Brumbies, Mine Rebel Forces, Mine is here:

      A Brumbies merger, geographically makes a lot of sense, after all the ACT is geographically mid-way between Sydney and Perth.

      • April 17th 2017 @ 9:01am
        Timbo (L) said | April 17th 2017 @ 9:01am | ! Report

        Sorry, I meant Sydney and Melbourne, too late to edit.

      • Roar Rookie

        April 17th 2017 @ 1:24pm
        p.Tah said | April 17th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

        You’re heading is much better more catchy than mine 🙂

        We Probably should have included the Melbourne Storm in the merger talk to bring the Rugby League folk into these threads 🙂

        • Roar Guru

          April 17th 2017 @ 4:04pm
          Timbo (L) said | April 17th 2017 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

          Spiro vomited something with similar content this morning as well but his proffer leaves an abandoned open pit mine where the Force used to be plundering the assets and picking the carcass clean before the AFL can get to it..

          The storm has a couple of players that would be great at number 10, Bring it on!

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