Want to reignite rugby? Re-think the Bledisloe Cup

Ron Lucock Roar Rookie

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    Scott Fardy is wrong to blame the “faceless men of SANZAR” for the state of Aussie rugby. Instead, he should be blaming the men now plying their trade in the Australian Super Rugby teams.

    Nowhere within these teams is a player who could be termed a star – someone whose talents and skills bring spectators and their money to games.

    Israel Folau once did, but he has faded as a drawcard and noone has taken his place.

    Players still earn kudos in the local media, but only after playing teams from the same conference, which operates several layers beneath the New Zealanders.

    When you lose all 12 games with New Zealand sides from the start of the season, the position is dire and somehow trending downwards from last year.

    Which leads to the Bledisloe Cup, not held by Australia since 2003. On the Super Rugby form thus far, the Wallabies will be at least 10 points a game down on last year’s matches. If so, future games will become irrelevant as a contest, eroding interest to the point where stadiums will be half empty.

    To make it competitive, scrap the idea of involving the All Blacks. Instead, the Wallabies should play the top three New Zealand Super Rugby sides.

    Each of these teams would have at least two players good enough to make a World XV (more than the Wallabies) and have tried and tested combinations. Should the series end up drawn, then a play-off with the fourth New Zealand side could decide the outcome.

    This would revive interest both within New Zealand and Australia.

    Why? Simple, New Zealanders with a misguided hatred for the Crusaders would support the Wallabies. And if the Blues were playing, everyone south of the Bombay Hills would join in with the Australians.

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    • April 20th 2017 @ 2:57am
      englishbob said | April 20th 2017 @ 2:57am | ! Report

      Interesting article. To be honest I there’s a growing disconnect between the wallabies and the Aussie club stuff. Take the 2014 bled series as an example, one draw two loses, the draw really should have been a win, and the wallabies in the last game were a minute from winning. An ever so slight deviation and Aussie would have won it, 2015 they won and lost one so they’d have retained it. Making the bled a fixed series per year would help massively, not having to retain it but to win it, like TRC/6N. A game each in nz/aus and the last bledisloe in London to kick off the autumn, with the gate split and acting as a neutral venue, it’d only mean delaying the normal third game a few weeks and would bring an annual 70,000 out to watch and in doing so promote super rugby.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 4:51am
        mania said | April 20th 2017 @ 4:51am | ! Report

        why london? why should twickers get the money for this fixture?
        something needs to be done.

        • April 20th 2017 @ 5:44pm
          englishbob said | April 20th 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

          Twickers wouldn’t need to take the full gate, it doesn’t take it for baabaas and up until recently there was the Hong Kong. It holds 70/80000, Australia had two home bledisloe series 2014/2017 recently so 40,000 tickets every three years or a share of 70 every year. Just a thought, by all means carry on as it is, it’s working well …….

      • April 20th 2017 @ 9:30am
        ClarkeG said | April 20th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

        Yes and an ever so slight deviation and the ABs might have won the first test and would have had it wrapped after 2 matches unless there might have been a major deviation in the 2nd match.

        And if the dog didn’t stop to have a ….he would have caught the rabbit.

        • April 21st 2017 @ 12:06am
          in brief said | April 21st 2017 @ 12:06am | ! Report

          The slight deviation is a euphemism for a gawd awful refereeing decision – to put it bluntly Australia was robbed.

          • April 21st 2017 @ 7:00am
            ClarkeG said | April 21st 2017 @ 7:00am | ! Report

            I think he is talking more than one slight deviation to be fair but geez how many would you like. How long can we stretch this piece of elastic

            As I said if the dog didn’t ……..

      • April 20th 2017 @ 1:45pm
        stainlesssteve said | April 20th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

        good idea as a one-off, ebob,,…. aTwickenham Bledisloe

    • April 20th 2017 @ 3:56am
      Silent1 said | April 20th 2017 @ 3:56am | ! Report

      I think alk NZers would go for the local side over the WBs. How about the Wallabies Vs the All Blacks Sevens? Or Nz under 20’s. Haha just taking the p***

      • April 20th 2017 @ 5:18pm
        wyn said | April 20th 2017 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

        Haha – how about checking what performance enhancing substances are being used across the ditch. The time it took for the gulf to open between the Aussie teams and the Kiwi teams was very short.

        • April 20th 2017 @ 5:44pm
          ClarkeG said | April 20th 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

          wyn – I wouldn’t be surprised if you are on something performance enhancing. I suspect if so it’s not working. haha…….geezzz

        • April 20th 2017 @ 6:16pm
          Jacko said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

          yes NZ has won 44 Bledisloe cup series…Aus have won 12…Just a recent domination eh?

    • April 20th 2017 @ 4:56am
      Matt Jones said | April 20th 2017 @ 4:56am | ! Report

      i am assuming this is a joke. otherwise this should never have been printed

      • April 20th 2017 @ 12:48pm
        woodart said | April 20th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

        must be april first again

    • April 20th 2017 @ 6:15am
      Craigo said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:15am | ! Report

      “To make it competitive, scrap the idea of involving the All Blacks. Instead, the Wallabies should play the top three New Zealand Super Rugby sides.”

      OMG. Wallabies would most likely lose anyway and that would be the Final Nail in the coffin for rugby in Australia.

      This article is the kind of thinking we would get from the boys at the ARU.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 11:37am
        Dsat24 said | April 20th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

        Ha and if the WBs lose that then what.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 6:30am
          Ruckin' Oaf said | April 22nd 2017 @ 6:30am | ! Report

          We could pick an understrength Tonga and ask them to wear black jerseys.

    • April 20th 2017 @ 6:40am
      Red menace said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:40am | ! Report

      How did the editor allow this article to be uploaded?

      Surely this is just a joke written by someone from the Eastern Isles.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 6:51am
        Council said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:51am | ! Report

        I would be shocked if a Kiwi had written this Red and very disappointed.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 7:04am
        mania said | April 20th 2017 @ 7:04am | ! Report

        lol Red. kiwis would not want this to happen. this would be horrible and belittling to the WBs
        I’m almost positive this article is a joke

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          April 20th 2017 @ 7:53am
          Fionn said | April 20th 2017 @ 7:53am | ! Report

          Also, it would suck for the ABs. Good way for your national team not to be able to practice every year..

          • April 20th 2017 @ 8:32am
            Red menace said | April 20th 2017 @ 8:32am | ! Report

            My apologies to all Kiwis.

            BTW, Fionn just read your article from yesterday, well done mate.

            • April 20th 2017 @ 9:24am
              mania said | April 20th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

              accepted red

            • Roar Guru

              April 20th 2017 @ 11:47am
              Fionn said | April 20th 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

              Cheers mate

      • April 20th 2017 @ 9:41am
        ClarkeG said | April 20th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        I don’t see why NZ super rugby sides should have all the fun.

        Why not play against the winners of the NZ NPC Premiership and Championship and the winners of the Meads and Lochore Cups.

    • April 20th 2017 @ 7:22am
      Jimbo81 said | April 20th 2017 @ 7:22am | ! Report

      Why not refuse referees like Owens, Poite and Joubert who are in awe of NZ and hold them to a different standard than everyone else? A level playing field would see Australia win more games against NZ. McCaw invisible for a decade, 53 penalties before they are yellow carded VS 12 for Australia: it’s a joke! All kiwi tries are instantly awarded while Australian tries are investigated for 30 phases. The number of tries disallowed is disgraceful. Impartial referees and TMO’s would go a long way to addressing the supposed gap between nations.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 7:46am
        Bakkies said | April 20th 2017 @ 7:46am | ! Report

        Unfortunately Mathieu Reynal can’t referee each game the ABs play in

        • April 20th 2017 @ 11:44am
          Mark said | April 20th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

          Bakkies it’s the only way any one will beat the ABs at the moment !!!!

      • Roar Guru

        April 20th 2017 @ 7:52am
        Fionn said | April 20th 2017 @ 7:52am | ! Report

        Owens and Joubert are the only referees in the world, along with Gardner, that I am happy to be refereed by.

        Poite is a clown. How he continues to receive Test matches is beyond me.

        • April 20th 2017 @ 8:17am
          Bakkies said | April 20th 2017 @ 8:17am | ! Report

          Joubert has retired.

          I am shuddered at the thought of Peyper refereeing on of the Lions tests.

          • Roar Guru

            April 20th 2017 @ 8:24am
            Fionn said | April 20th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

            I know, to train the next generation of referees I read. Shame to see him go, good to think that the next generation will be better trained.

            • April 20th 2017 @ 8:46am
              ClarkeG said | April 20th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

              You would hope they would be better trained but based purely on recent performances this may not be the case.

      • April 20th 2017 @ 9:42am
        ClarkeG said | April 20th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

        yup yup yup

      • Roar Rookie

        April 20th 2017 @ 10:49am
        piru said | April 20th 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

        Ahh yes that’s the secret to NZ’s dominance

        Biased refs


        • April 21st 2017 @ 12:33am
          Rebellion said | April 21st 2017 @ 12:33am | ! Report

          Love it Piru – you never miss the opportunity to make an ungracious comment when talking about your beloved All Blacks. I wonder what you’d have to say about Willie Ripia??
          Mods – you should reconsider vetting these articles before being posted. Doesn’t do any fans a favour from either side

          • April 21st 2017 @ 7:04am
            ClarkeG said | April 21st 2017 @ 7:04am | ! Report


          • Roar Rookie

            April 21st 2017 @ 11:34am
            piru said | April 21st 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

            You already tried to dangle Willie Ripia in front of me this week Rebellion (I assume you just recently came across this old story), and I’ve already answered you.

            Now would you care to explain how this has anything to do with the ridiculous assertion that its the refs being biased that lets the All Blacks enjoy the dominance they do?


            Would you care to stfu then?


      • April 20th 2017 @ 11:16am
        geoff said | April 20th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

        This is genuine nonsense but at least its entertaining nonsense.

        Well done

      • April 20th 2017 @ 1:48pm
        stainlesssteve said | April 20th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

        a lovely bit of objective impartiality, Jimbo.
        You sound exactly like my mother, except she says the same thing in reverse

      • Roar Rookie

        April 20th 2017 @ 3:42pm
        Iulius Antohe said | April 20th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

        Joubert retired, thank the gods. He used to be in Aussie owe too. Remember the RWC 2015

        • April 20th 2017 @ 6:18pm
          Jacko said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

          Ahhh the Scotish no penalty ruling. Yes amny Aussies seem to forget those sort of things

          • April 20th 2017 @ 6:37pm
            Fionn said | April 20th 2017 @ 6:37pm | ! Report

            I love Craigo – he’s always fair and correct, except when he’s giving us a World Cup quaterfinal birth ? (in all seriousness, how he was treated after that was unacceptable, and I hope that didn’t factor into his decision to retire – he’s a great ref, he just made one mistake).

            • Roar Rookie

              April 21st 2017 @ 11:35am
              piru said | April 21st 2017 @ 11:35am | ! Report

              Joubert was and is a great ref

              Some people just prefer to blame refs than their own sides for losses

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