Gibson’s gotta go – time to bring back Cheika

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    Remember the 2012 Waratahs, who were coached by Michael Foley, that won four Super Rugby games, and lost 12 – the last eight in succession?

    They were so woeful, they were booed off the field at every home game.

    Foley was sacked.

    Last night at Alliance the current crop were worse, butchering a 17-0 lead over easy-beats the Southern Kings after 34 minutes, only to lose 26-24 in overtime.

    Needless to say, they were booed off the field for the first time since 2012.

    Coach Daryl Gibson must be sacked, but with no ready-made replacement standing out, Gibson could still be there at season’s end.

    That is unless the ARU bites the bullet and asks Wallaby coach Michael Ckeika to take over as an additional responsibility.

    That would be a major change in direction for the ARU, renowned for sweeping any problems under the carpet. For the ARU, out of sight translates to out of mind.

    But Cheika coaching the Waratahs will help shore up his Test roster for the June window when the men in gold take on Fiji, Scotland, and Italy, and Super Rugby takes a break.

    That resumes in July and will finish before the Rugby Championship involving the Wallabies, All Blacks, Boks, and Pumas leading into the end of year tour to the northern hemisphere.

    New NSW coach Daryl Gibson

    Last night there were eight Wallabies in the Waratahs starting line-up, and two on the bench, with prop Sekope Kepu a non-starter with injury.

    None of them would be worth a stamp to Cheika in their current form, mood, and confidence.

    Apart from the odd moments of quality, the current Wallabies in the Waratahs just aren’t with it.

    The passing is rubbish, the handling is rubbish, the support play is rubbish, the tackling is rubbish, the scrum is rubbish – and would you believe the lineout is rubbish.

    There’s no doubt Cheika coaching the Waratahs would greatly enhance the Wallabies internationally.

    He’s a no-nonsence, get with it or get out coach – and that’s what the Waratags desperately need. Simply they have forgotten how to play which is the most damaging criticism possible.

    Besides, the Wallabies have a poor enough record without having to carry Waratah passengers.

    There’s nothing like the present Bill Pulver, let’s have Michael Cheika installed at Moore Park by Tuesday.

    David Lord
    David Lord

    David Lord was deeply involved in two of the biggest sporting stories - World Series Cricket in 1977 and professional rugby in 1983. After managing Jeff Thomson and Viv Richards during WSC, in 1983 David signed 208 of the best rugby players from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France to play an international pro circuit. The concept didn?t get off the ground, but it did force the IRB to get cracking and bring in the World Rugby Cup, now one of the world?s great sporting spectacles

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    • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:55am
      Ben said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:55am | ! Report

      Aus rugby really is in a state….

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:07am
        Mason said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:07am | ! Report

        David, you say there were 8 Wallabies in the Waratahs starting line-up, and more on the bench.
        Is that statement supposed to mean something?
        Has it occurred to you that our Wallabies players are basically not good enough?
        Nothing much will change in terms of results if Cheika was brought in – he is over-rated!

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:38pm
          PiratesRugby said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

          Yes there were a lot of Wallbies in the line up but getting into the national side (and attracting an ARU top up) seems to be pretty easy for Tah players. I mean seriously, Skelton, Mumm, Horne, Foley? The leadership of Hooper? Its more a reflection of how poor Wallaby selection is rather than how good the Tah roster is. In that entire team, only Folau is genuinely world class. Otherwise it is just a mediocre provincial team with a poor attitude and lack of fitness.

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            April 22nd 2017 @ 2:31pm
            Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

            Is Folau even a world class fullback anymore relative to DHP or Hunt?

            Would we select him in his current form over Speight or Naivalu? He’d probably make it onto the wing, but he’d be under a lot of pressure to keep his spot.

            Latu and Hanigan are the best Waratahs.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 5:38pm
              Fin said | April 22nd 2017 @ 5:38pm | ! Report

              At present Foley Hooper Kepu and Latu would make the Wallaby XV. Hannigan would make the bench and Folua and Gordon would make the 30 man squad. Things have gone down hill a lot from 2014.

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                April 22nd 2017 @ 6:47pm
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

                Does Kepu make the Wallaby XV? I would have Ala’alataoa over him. I would also say that, on form, Hooper is in for some stiff competition with Colby Faingaa for the 7 spot.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 7:09pm
                Fin said | April 22nd 2017 @ 7:09pm | ! Report

                For mine Kepu is still a starter for Test rugby. Hooper too. I’m trying to figure which backrowers make the squad. I had Hooper Higgers Fardy Hannigan and McMahon with

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 7:10pm
                Fin said | April 22nd 2017 @ 7:10pm | ! Report

                For mine Kepu is still a starter for Test rugby. Hooper too. I’m trying to figure which backrowers make the squad. I had Hooper Higgers Fardy Hannigan and McMahon with one more.

            • April 23rd 2017 @ 6:56pm
              30mm tags said | April 23rd 2017 @ 6:56pm | ! Report

              Karmichael Hunt has recreated himself. Whatever he did since 2016 has now produced a full back who is now the best in the country.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:47pm
            Quin said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:47pm | ! Report

            Folau is not a world class FB not even close, there are much better FBs running around in Super Rugby.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:43pm
              Ezze said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:43pm | ! Report

              Totally agree, over rated should be playing centre or inside but seems to enjoy staying at the back there and can’t seem to inject himself like other WORLD CLASS FB do..ben smith comes to mind. Folau never scored a single try in the last world cup..just saying

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 11:14am
                Jibba Jabba said | April 23rd 2017 @ 11:14am | ! Report

                Folau should take a leaf out of Damien McKenzie’s book, (fullback for the chiefs) DM was “everywhere man” popping up all over the field and doing everything at pace and then kicking the goals as well.
                Seemed like he was in 3 places at once and the speed he gets up off the ground after tacking or being tacked and back into the fray is amazing.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 11:21am
                Old Bugger said | April 23rd 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report


                Surely, that’s just asking too much of the big fella….?? Remember, DM is just a little fella who’s probably, half the size, of Izzy.

                Obviously, it ain’t the size that matters – it’s what you do with it, that counts.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am
                Jibba Jabba said | April 23rd 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                Good point.. different body shapes denote different tactics and capabilities i suppose… Suggests Folau should definitely be on the wing then. As to your last paragraph….

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 12:39pm
                Old Bugger said | April 23rd 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report


                Regarding my final para – I rest my case, on DM’s ability to confound, the opposition… just didn’t know that I’d say that, did you….haha?? Btw, suggests Izzy should be LRO instead….??

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:37pm
          Ezze said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:37pm | ! Report

          Very true Mason and well said..Wallabies have been playing well below average and it has filtered down to the super rugby franchises..Cheika is not the answer to the Tahs issues, the skill set between Aus and NZ (franchise ) leaves Aus well behind in that aspect. Players need to be able to create plays of the cuff (vision) and defensively hold their own for 80+ minutes

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        April 22nd 2017 @ 4:46am
        David Lord said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:46am | ! Report

        Ben, try these numbers:

        Australian Conference – played 36, won 10.
        New Zealand Conference – played 36, won 27.

        Points difference:
        Brumbies – plus 6.
        Reds – minus 90.
        Force – minus 39.
        Waratahs – minus 76.
        Rebels – minus 160.

        Total – minus 350.

        Hurricanes – plus 217.
        Crusaders – plus 112.
        Chiefs – plus 67.
        Highlanders – plus 16.
        Blues – plus 33.

        Total – plus 445.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 9:14am
          Ryan said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

          David – maybe it’s the Tahs that should be cut from super rugby? The force are a much better outfit.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 9:53am
            SOS said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

            Agree, if you can’t beat the Kings on your home turf you shouldn’t be playing super rugby. Furthermore the Wallabies have been carrying waratah passengers for years under Cheika!

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:29am
              Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

              Yeah, good idea. Cut the team from the biggest city. Smart. If you’re genuinely concerned about Australian rugby you should be genuinely concerned about the plight of the Tahs instead of maintaining a parochial regional attitude. It’s not necessarily about them not winning, it’s the quality of play. To suggest it’s Cheika’s fault is petulant at best. He took them to title in 2014, semis in 2015 and Wallabies to RWC final in 2015. Agree last year was poor for Walkabies but it was also poor for Tahs (Gibson) and every other Aussie team.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:19am
                William Tell said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report

                “irony” – a form of deliberate mockery in which one says the opposite of what is obviously true.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:43am
                Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:43am | ! Report

                Matter of opinion Bill.

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                April 22nd 2017 @ 1:00pm
                Die hard said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report


                The suit of armor was very irony.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:53pm
                SOS said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                Spot on William! Of course we don’t want the Tahs cut, as the rest of Australia wouldn’t have a team to hate. Unfortunately, parochial NSW attitudes is what saw MC get the job as the Wallabies coach, the incessant undermining of Mckenzie by the NSW media and some NSW club was nothing short of unbelievable. It was luck that got us to the RWC final, if there Joubert had got it right we would have been knocked out by the Scots. Furthmore Cheika’s parochial regional attitude allows his pets to be chsosen when there are better options.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:08pm
                Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

                No doubt you were supporting the Crusaders in the 2014 SR final. Says a bit if you’re an Aussie. How on earth does MC appointment have anything to do with McKenzie’s departure? I ask genuinely? I don’t know the inner workings of how it all happened -do you or are you speculating – but I do recall Cheika making sure he was appointed on his terms only.

                As for the “luck” you refer to….seriously. If the Wallabies had somehow won the RWC, the anti Cheika brigade would still be carrying on about the Scotland match. Fact is, the Wallabies were written off 12 months out from the RWC. They exceeded expectations and you can’t be objective enough to give some credit to the coach.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:19am
              Jibba Jabba said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report

              Would any of those waratahs make the Force side ?

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:17pm
                Crazy Horse said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                I asked myself the same question about the Rebels last week and was able to immediately say Hodge and MacMahon with a few others to watch.

                I’m genuinely sitting here scratching my head thinking who I’d take if I could have any of the Tahs for the Force.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:48am
            jeff dustby said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

            yes Ryan the force are awesome. I think the decision to drop the team should be made based on last nights game

            • April 23rd 2017 @ 3:13pm
              Ryan said | April 23rd 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

              Jeff – oz rugby is so poor all five franchises should be relegated to NZ ITM cup. Develop their game for a few years vs quality provinces with a thought to rejoin super rugby when adequate.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 9:51am
          John said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

          The current points table right now Sat 9.30am
          Hurricanes 33
          Lions 32
          Crusaders 31
          Chiefs 29
          Stormers 26
          Sharks 22
          Jaguares 20
          Highlanders 18
          Blues & Brumbies 17
          Bulls, Reds & Sharks 10
          Force, Cheetahs & Waratahs 9
          Sunwolves & Rebels 5

          The Brumbies are outside the top (8) and the Crusaders, Chiefs, Stormers, Sharks & Highlanders can improve their points standing with a game to play.

          The Conference system gives the Brumbies a “free ride” with a guaranteed quarter final.

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            April 22nd 2017 @ 9:54am
            Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

            The conference system gives each of the conferences a “free ride”, not just Australia—and definitely not specifically the Brumbies. Don’t twist facts, mate. The Africa conference with the Stormers in it is just as much of a free ride.

            It seems unlikely now, but if it ever gets to the point where the Kiwi teams are struggling they’ll be the ones getting a “free ride” too.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:01am
              John said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:01am | ! Report

              Based on current performances this year there is no way in hell the Brumbies will finish in the top (8) of the table based on points. So the Brumbies are getting a “free ride”.
              The Super Rugby format will be changed again in the future to get rid of the Conference system because it is an unfair system.

              • Roar Guru

                April 22nd 2017 @ 10:03am
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

                I agree with you that a top 8 is preferred, John.

                However, the Brumbies are not the ones getting a free ride, at least not directly. Instead, all of the conferences are getting a free ride. The only difference is that the Brumbies are presently the least worst Aussie team, so they are the current beneficiaries. It’s twisting facts to pretend that the system is set up to benefit Australians. The system is set up to benefit each of the conferences. At present, however, Australia is the worst and it is benefiting us.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:14am
                Simple Simon said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

                Fionn..being placed outside the top 8 on points but still get a home semi because they are top of the extremely poor Australian conference IS a “free ride.”
                Neither the SA or NZ conference will ever get to such a low point – EVER!

              • Roar Guru

                April 22nd 2017 @ 10:23am
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

                Nonsense, mate. Go back to last year and watch the Stormers, they were atrocious and made the finals.

                It’s easy to stick the boot in when you’re on top, but the system is more beneficial to South Africa than to Australia, and while it is presently beneficial to Australia it does not always mean that it will be beneficial to Australia.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:46am
                taylorman said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

                Of course it’s a free ride. If you don’t finish top 8 on points and qualify, it’s definitely a free ride. That’s what conference formats are about. Getting one from each conference through as a minimum, regardless of how bad they are.

                Nothing to do with putting the boot in Fionn, it is what it is. I’d say the same if the Canes finished 12th on the table and qualified.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am
                Pinetree said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

                Fionn – You say the system is set up to benefit each of the conferences. yet in the six years so far in the conference system, and I think we could include this year as well, NZ have not benefited once. The system also has a 66.7% fail rate of ranking the teams ranked on points in order.

                Lets look at the years from 2011-2016.

                2011 – All teams were ranked in order of points.

                2012 – The Brumbies leaped over the Crusaders, Bulls and Sharks (same points/wins/Sharks had better diff) to get from 6th to 3rd.

                2013 – Brumbies 4th to 3rd, pushing Crusaders 4th to 3rd. Both teams had even points, but Crusaders had 11 wins and Brumbies 10 wins.

                2014 – All teams were ranked in order of points.

                2015 – Tahs 3rd in points and 2nd on table, Stormers 7th on points and 3rd on table, Highlanders 2nd on points and 4th on table. Chiefs and Brumbies lose a place to the Stormers to 5th and 6th, Crusaders miss the playoffs to the Stormers with lower points than them.

                2016 – Canes 53, Lions 52 Stormers 51 (10 wins), Brumbies 43 (10 wins), Highlanders 52, Chiefs 51 (11 wins), Crusaders 50, Sharks 43 (9 wins).
                So the Brumbies get elevated from 7th to 4th, Highlanders from 3rd to 5th, Stormers from 5th to 3rd, Chiefs from 4th to 6th, Crusaders from 6th to 7th. Only 3 teams on order in points are the Canes, Lions and Sharks in the top 8.

                As you can see, NZ never benefits from this system, Aus benefits most, followed by SA. I think you are dishonest to think that NZ could benefit, at least aside from an anomaly.

                I could not help but notice that the Brumbies have seemed to benefit most often from this system Fionn and my team the Crusaders have been negatively affected by it the most haha

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:05am
                Simple Simon said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

                Well said Taylorman and Pinetree.
                The Australian teams have benefitted most from this conference system.

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                April 22nd 2017 @ 11:16am
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                I don’t disagree with any of what you’re saying, but the Stormers are just as much getting a free ride—as are the other teams in that Africa conference and the Australian conference—the only difference is that the Stormers and Brumbies respectively are currently benefiting the most as the best of their weak conferences (and I know the Stormers are good, but their conference is not).

                And, as I said, if the tables turn one day and the Kiwis are the poor teams then the Kiwi teams will be getting a free ride.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:30am
                Pinetree said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                Fionn – You should note that the Stormers are 9 points ahead of the Brumbies and 7 behind the leader. The Stormers did do better than the Brumbies last year as the Stromers had 51 points (2 points away from the Hurricanes on 53 points) and the Brumbies 43. So who is getting the bigger free ride, your Brumbies or the Stormers?

              • Roar Guru

                April 22nd 2017 @ 11:35am
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:35am | ! Report

                The Stormers played no Kiwi teams last year until the finals, and then got smashed. The Brumbies played the Hurricanes (won) and then got clobbered by the Crusaders, Blues and Chiefs, and lost to the Highlanders. I think it is reasonable to assume that if the Brumbies had played the weaker South African teams like the Stormers they would have finished on more points.

                So, last year I would argue the Stormers. This year, it is the Brumbies. It won’t be the same every year, but that is the deal when you get a conference system, it is inherently unfair in the sense that it isn’t meritocratic (the best X teams don’t make the finals). I’m in agreement with you that a R/R with a top X would be better than the conference system.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:48am
                Pinetree said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

                Fair enough call on the quality of the draw for the Stormers last year. SA did produce quality in the Lions and to some degree the Sharks as well (I think they beat 2 NZ teams last year?). I still cannot see this system ever benefiting NZ, and it still seems to benefit Aus more. How many years would we have to see this same trend before we could admit that it certainly will never benefit NZ and it favors Aus teams?

              • Roar Guru

                April 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am
                Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

                At this stage it does indeed look like it is permanently going to benefit Australia.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:08pm
                Pinetree said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

                Fionn – I actually think if they went for the 3 conferences of 6 and based the finals on points, Aus rugby would of come right. You don’t lose all your basic skills in your country in a space of 2-3 years. You have quality players. If the ARU kept 5 teams, continued progress with the NRC, and most importantly, got some decent coaches for the SR teams.

                I guarantee you mate, if you put someone like Graham Henry or Wayne Smith in charge of the Reds/Brumbies/Tahs, that they would instantly turn the team around. Cheika and McKenzie showed this with the Tahs/Reds titles. Jake white turned the Brumbies around with Laurie Fisher to come close to a title.

                Aus players lacking skills and talent is a myth. The lack of quality high level coaching in Aus is the major concern, and at the moment you need to either get some of your good coaches back from overseas, or look to bring in quality coaches overseas, and not unproven coaches like D Gibson.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:18am
              John said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

              I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it Fionn – it is pretty obvious to all the TV broadcasters want a Super Rugby format that is very competitive and fair so that the supporters and sponsors are willing to pay top dollar to watch the games.
              When SANZAAR commences the negotiations in 2019 for 2020 going forward then you can bet on it that the current Conference system will be gone, the number SR franchises further reduced so that a round robin format based on points decides the final (8).
              Looking ahead I can see a future Super Rugby format where there are two divisions of say 10 teams in each division, a round robin series and a relegation system similar to the English Premier football where a team can be relegated to second division for poor performances or vice versa promoted from second division to first division for great performances.
              The top division will attract the biggest sponsorship and funding.
              The ARU needs to outline it’s vision for the future and start getting a structure in place to ensure it isn’t left behind or overtaken by Japan or Argentina.

              • Roar Guru

                April 22nd 2017 @ 11:33am
                Jokerman said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:33am | ! Report

                Well said. Two divisions. 10 and 10. Relegation/promotion. Perfect. That would be so cool. They could also introduce a couple of more teams that go straight to the second division.

                That would be like the NZ provisional format that has ran so smoothly, despite interruptions with Super.

                Keep it simple and fair. The sponsors and financial backers are realising you can’t add artificial colours, preservative’s, flavours and fk the health of Super….the fans are not that dumb!!!

                Keep it organic bro…!

              • April 24th 2017 @ 7:35am
                soapit said | April 24th 2017 @ 7:35am | ! Report

                promotion relegation systems eventually entrench top and bottom sides within a comp and rely on big depth in talent

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:39pm
              Zhoer said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:39pm | ! Report

              The day they stop this conference system….all the kiwi teams will be in the knockout stages. Believe me.

              • April 24th 2017 @ 7:36am
                soapit said | April 24th 2017 @ 7:36am | ! Report

                i dont believe you. theyd change it before the season started and would still play out the regular season

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:54am
            Akari said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

            Them are the rules, John, TM, et al and endorsed by the NZRU, ARU, AR and SARU.

            There is no “free ride” as the Brumbies are leading the Oz conference on merit. If you have a problem with the rules, please see Tew, Pulver, Pichot, and Mark Alexander and have your say. Otherwise, lets enjoy super rugby until the rules are changed again.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:01pm
              Old Bugger said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

              Akari, you party pooper….I was enjoying that little tete-a-tete……haha!!

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:02pm
              taylorman said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

              Who said I have a problem with it. It is what it is. And I’m assuming ‘free ride’ doesn’t have a formal description so can be applied as I see fit. So for me, Any team that falls outside, particularly well outside, the top 8, yet tops their conference, gets a free ride.

              They all play the same number of matches, and regardless of the ease or difficulty of any of them to qualify ahead of a team that scores more points, gets a free ride in my book.

              That some conferences or cross conference matches are harder for some than others, is a different matter.

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 3:27pm
                Akari said | April 22nd 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

                The score board still shows that the Brumbies are currently leading the Oz conference. If this continues, it really doesn’t matter what anyone else says or thinks, TM.

                Sorry OB as the comments are getting regurgitated now and again and tiresome IMO.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 10:01am
                taylorman said | April 23rd 2017 @ 10:01am | ! Report

                Yes I agree, and if they end up with less points than the eighth team overall then they get a free ride, also regardless of what everyone says or thinks. I think we’re saying the same thing.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:59pm
            Bob said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

            It’s not a free ride you can not look at conference ladder the same way as a normal round robin ladder, teams are playing different conferences and teams so it is not fair to directly compare the two, although the NZ are the best ATM, they they are not playing the same teams as the other conferences play.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 6:14pm
              Quin said | April 22nd 2017 @ 6:14pm | ! Report

              No they aren’t but they are playing all the teams in the Australian conference and haven’t lost a game to them yet.
              Maybe not a free ride for the Australian conference but most definitely a pity spot in the finals for sure.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:18pm
            Crazy Horse said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

            Note that the Tahs have played two more games than the Force for the same number of points and a significantly worse points differential.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 12:44pm
          PiratesRugby said | April 22nd 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

          You know, David, we’re missing the bright side to all of this. We are actually living through a golden age of rugby. It’s just that it’s coming from the other side of the Tasman. NZ and All Black rugby is brilliant. It should be enjoyed and celebrated. We’re watching Bradman bat. We want to win but we’re are just losing to a brilliant adversary. As fans, we should rejoice that rugby is being played so well. The Wallabies had their time in the 1990s. Perhaps our time will come again but for now let’s just sit back and enjoy rugby at its finest.

          • Roar Guru

            April 22nd 2017 @ 2:31pm
            Fionn said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

            Great post.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 1:12pm
          Bfc said | April 22nd 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

          And the 2016 Wallas under Cheika had what record…?

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:43pm
            Zero Gain said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

            Ranked 3rd in the World. That is THE WORLD.

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 7:56am
        Rebellion said | April 22nd 2017 @ 7:56am | ! Report

        David I agree this is an opportunity for Australian rugby.
        Instead of terminating and having to pay out Michael Chieka – transfer his duties from the Wallabies to Waratahs so we can finally get a decent coach who doesn’t automatically pick his favourite Tahs including Phipps, Mumm, Skelton, Horne and the midget ruck-dodger.
        It’s a win-win as Sydney-siders love him and the rest of the country loathe him. He may be even worse than Dean’s although poor old Dingo had a great roster in 2010/11 especially.

        • Roar Guru

          April 22nd 2017 @ 9:31am
          Lano said | April 22nd 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

          Agree, there are a number of duds on auto-selection.

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:14pm
            Bfc said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

            List is long…

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am
          taylorman said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

          Yes I’m sure Cheikas going to put his heart and soul into a demotion, especially when he’s asked to leave with the W’s in such a mess. Talk about frying pan to the fire.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:23am
          Jibba Jabba said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

          And the Man of the Match was the midget midget ruck attacker with rather large biceps from the kings… small but with all the attitude lacking in the waratahs..

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:07am
      Barry from Brisbane said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:07am | ! Report

      Yep – it’s clearly the coach’s fault: ‘The passing is rubbish, the handling is rubbish, the support play is rubbish, the tackling is rubbish, the scrum is rubbish – and would you believe the lineout is rubbish’

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:37am
        Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

        And when the Wallabies play badly it seems to be Cheika’s fault. Is Gibson immune? I agree players are performing terribly but Gibson has the power to fire and hire…like he has done with Phipps. Gibson can sack Skelton, Mumm, Horne, Izzy and all other targets on the Roar. There must be some blokes in Shute Shield willing to have a crack. In any other professional sport the coach of a team performing as badly as the Tahs would be under serious scrutiny.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:45am
          Old Bugger said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

          I wonder if Larks, is reading this…..and McGahan and Stiles……

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:44pm
        Zero Gain said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

        And, the coach is rubbish.

        • April 23rd 2017 @ 10:03am
          taylorman said | April 23rd 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

          Yes cos it’s he who dropped the passes, walked back when he should have run back.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:10am
      Jock Cornet said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:10am | ! Report

      New coach won’t help. It’s the players . They are crap and I can’t wait for Scotland to give it to us and hope Fiji and then the Italians do to. The ARU are to blame. Pulver and board should resign immediately. It has been obvious this was going to happen ,

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:25am
      Simple Simon said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:25am | ! Report

      Cheika is over-rated. He won’t be able to change much.
      The Wallabies players a
      are just not good enough.
      They are professional rugby players..they shouldnt require a coach to rev them up into A-gear.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:30am
      Ben said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:30am | ! Report

      Tahs and Brumbies are 1 half teams this week then ship loads of points. 24 and 42.

    • April 22nd 2017 @ 4:40am
      MH01 said | April 22nd 2017 @ 4:40am | ! Report

      Cheika is part of the problem . These tahs know they have a mortgage on wallabies jumpers that thier mate Cheika is going to give them irrespective of performance . Hence they are just going through the motions and saving themselves for wallabies duties.

      Other players , knowing they will not be chosen for wallabies, have left oz. Cheika very well created the current situation. You are either one of this favoured tahs or fit into gits rule , otherwise head overseas , And they have .

      Wallaby spots should be based on performance . It’s not, it’s about being part of they tribe, and cheika is very loyal. Here lies Australian rugbys problem .

      • April 22nd 2017 @ 10:44am
        Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

        Cheika is also responsible for the current issues in Nth Korea. In the last run-on side for the Wallabies there were (I think) two Tah forwards, possibly 3. Do you argue with Kepu? People are probably split 50/50 on Hooper. Mumm – I’d agree is questionable. Genia is first choice at 9 and there is also a 50/50 debate at 10. Otherwise, it’s only Folau left.

        • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:26am
          Jibba Jabba said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

          Whats chieka doing in North Korea, he should be in Oz watching the games pre selection time. 🙂

          • April 22nd 2017 @ 11:45am
            Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

            He’s up there to find a tight 5.

            • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:34pm
              ScottD said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

              In all honesty I think we in fact could have a good tight 5. We certainly have a reasonable pool to choose from. The problem is that Cheeks won’t select the best players in their best roles to make the best team imo

              • April 22nd 2017 @ 2:46pm
                Bring Back...? said | April 22nd 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

                Agree, subject to injury I suppose. I’d like to see a clean out – no more Simmons, Douglas, Mumm, Skelton or Moore. Coleman, Carter and Arnold as the locking options. Timani, Fardy and McMahon in back row with Hooper on bench.

              • April 23rd 2017 @ 12:35am
                Jesse said | April 23rd 2017 @ 12:35am | ! Report

                So the Wallabies best tight 5 good enough to challenge the AB’s, England, Ireland??? The skill set is lacking with alot of the Wallabies and sadly it has filtered down to the franchise’s

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