TELL US: Are Richmond the real deal, and what the hell happened to the Swans?

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    Richmond have had a dream start to 2017. (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

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    This 2017 hasn’t started the way many of us thought it would.

    The Sydney Swans and Hawthorn Hawks, whose positions at the top of the ladder have been all but foregone conclusions the past five years, suddenly find themselves wallowing at the bottom of the table.

    And Richmond, the perennial punchline of the competition, have raced out to a 5-0 start to perch themselves just behind the Adelaide Crows in second place.

    Are these reversal of fortunes indicative of the season to come, or merely a mirage?

    This is the question we’ll be tackling on Roar LIVE tonight with resident Roar Expert and shameless Tigers fanatic, Cameron Rose.

    So we want you to tell us:

    Are Richmond the real deal?

    And is there any way back for Sydney and Hawthorn, or are there seasons shot before they even started?

    Let us know your thoughts in the comments, and we’ll try and get to as many comments as we can in the show.

    Roar Live will be streamed this afternoon at around 5:45pm on The Roar’s Facebook page. It will also be available as a podcast on Soundcloud and iTunes.

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    • April 27th 2017 @ 1:13pm
      DH said | April 27th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

      Sydney and Hawthorn will be storming up the ladder in the second half of the season.

      The thing to consider is that it’s now an 18 team competition which means the draw is still inequal, but also that the top 8 is no longer the best half of teams. You used to be able to make the 8 by just breaking even with an 11-11 season. Now you need at least 12-13 wins to make the finals. Hawthorn are still 11 shy, Sydney still 12.

      It’s far too early to tell with Richmond, but they’ve hardly been commanding in any of their victories. Adelaide have been pummelling teams and Geelong’s attack is going again. Both of them and GWS know how to put the foot down when it counts. Meanwhile the bulldogs don’t let anyone put their foot down.

    • April 27th 2017 @ 1:20pm
      Neil from Warrandyte said | April 27th 2017 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

      Richmond, no matter who they have beaten over the last few years, are rarely given due credit for their win. Despite often being underdogs going into a game, excuses seem always to suggest that their win was a result of the opposition being unlucky- the weather was too wet/ biased umpiring/ an injury to a player/ coming off a short break/ was due for a loss/ they are a young team or the tigers simply got lucky etc…
      Most pundits are saying that the Tigers will get smashed by the crows (and this may be the case), however if they do get up, expect the excuses to be rolled out once again. Would be really refreshing for opposition supporters to at least acknowledge when Richmond do have a good win , it’s because they played better footy and beat their opponents on their merits.

      • April 27th 2017 @ 3:23pm
        Ditto said | April 27th 2017 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

        If Richmond get up against Adelaide that’d be enough to convince me.

      • April 27th 2017 @ 5:50pm
        Beny Iniesta said | April 27th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

        When was the last time Richmond won a final?

        That’s the last time Richmond were the “real deal” – and it wasn’t yesterday.

        A team that is the real deal backs up and wins finals in consecutive years. Can you name the last time Richmond did that?

        I doubt it. It’s not in living memory!

        • April 27th 2017 @ 6:25pm
          Neil from Warrandyte said | April 27th 2017 @ 6:25pm | ! Report

          So by your definition, the Bulldogs aren’t the real deal either- only won finals last year. What a team achieved in years gone by becomes irrelevant as to wether or not they are the real deal this year.

        • April 27th 2017 @ 7:22pm
          Hammerhead said | April 27th 2017 @ 7:22pm | ! Report

          It was 2001, and they didn’t make the finals again until 2013!

    • April 27th 2017 @ 1:21pm
      I ate pies said | April 27th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

      Hawthorn are an off chance, Sydney are no chance of making the finals. History says so.

      Richmond are definitely quicker this year, but they’re also definitely not the real deal. They’ll come crashing back to earth when they play the top teams.

      • April 28th 2017 @ 2:42pm
        Stewie said | April 28th 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

        Problem of induction right there, philosopher David Hume would be shaking his head at you!

        Can you prove to me that the sun will rise tomorrow? No, you just say it’s incredibly likely due to past experiences of the sun rising. But you can’t be absolutely certain.
        For the same reason, there is a possibility that the Swans will will all remaining games and slot into the top 4. Unlikely, but possible. You definitely can’t say there’s no chance!

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      April 27th 2017 @ 1:41pm
      Cat said | April 27th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

      Are Richmond the real deal? No. Are they better than last year? Yes. How much better? Too early to tell. While you can only beat those put in front of you by the AFL fixture fixers, they have not been very convincing considering who and where they’ve played. If Richmond want to be taken seriously they have to stay within a couple goals of Adelaide.

      Can Hawthorn come back? Not off of what I’ve seen so far. One win against the woeful at the MCG Eagles does not impress me. Be interesting to see how hard Hawthorn work this week, whether they think they can swagger their way to a win or whether they realise only hard continuous work will get them out of their hole. Certainly some of their fans and the media have been strutting around this week like they are ‘back’.

      Can Sydney come back? Honestly haven’t watched a single second of them play so I’ll leave it to others to comment on them.

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        April 27th 2017 @ 3:17pm
        Peppsy said | April 27th 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

        If you watched the Hawthorn game it wasn’t just that they won, it was how they won. Kicks and handballs were hitting targets for the first time this season, they actually got a couple of contested marks. Anyone saying they are ‘back’ is going way to early, but the signs that they are capable are there now.

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          April 27th 2017 @ 3:28pm
          Cat said | April 27th 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

          I’ll wait until they hit targets against a mob that isn’t dreadful. If you had done it at Subi to the Eagles, I’d give you a lot more credit. It’s just too hard to say how much was Hawthorn improvement and how much was WCE MCG ineptness.

          • April 27th 2017 @ 5:29pm
            Swannies said | April 27th 2017 @ 5:29pm | ! Report

            Hawks look back to me. Let’s give them more credit as they are a champion team.

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              April 27th 2017 @ 6:07pm
              Cat said | April 27th 2017 @ 6:07pm | ! Report

              No they aren’t they are a 1-4 team who have spent the majority of the season looking old, slow and clueless.

              • April 27th 2017 @ 6:26pm
                peter wolf said | April 27th 2017 @ 6:26pm | ! Report

                And the big game too St Kilda & Hawthorn in Tasmania i must admit 1 win doesn’t mean too much at all and a prediction Sydney will “roar” up the charts? At 5-0 so far not an ideal start?

              • April 28th 2017 @ 8:00pm
                Mark said | April 28th 2017 @ 8:00pm | ! Report

                0-5 unfortunately

    • April 27th 2017 @ 1:42pm
      Rich_daddy said | April 27th 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

      Too early to tell with Richmond. Credit for a 5-0 start but given only one of those teams they have beaten played finals last year (with West Coast being extremely average form away from home) I wouldn’t get too excited just yet. Their litmus test comes this weekend with a few other strong examinations to follow. Report back in a month.

      As for the Swans, a tough draw, injuries and a lack of form from some of their key players are the reason they sit where they are.

      Their next 5 weeks look o.k though and it is not beyond the realms of possibility they win all of them and all of a sudden are back in the hunt. Again report back in a month.

    • April 27th 2017 @ 2:15pm
      Christo the Daddyo said | April 27th 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

      Sydney’s next four opponents:
      North Melbourne
      St Kilda

      These are games that the Swans really should win.

      Richmond’s next four opponents:

      I could see the Tigers losing all four.

      So the ladder might look very different in a months’ time.

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