Here’s two All Blacks match-day 23s that could both beat the Lions

By Matt Porter / Roar Guru

Depth. It’s a great quality to have in a human being. It’s a dimension Olympic divers are grateful for in the pools below. And it’s a crucial aspect to the success of a rugby team.

The world has long marvelled at the depth of New Zealand rugby. A seemingly endless procession of talent rolling off the kiwi production line, immediately fit for purpose to excel on the big stage.

A couple of weeks ago I threw my two cents in with a prediction that the All Blacks will be too hot for the British and Irish Lions to handle on their upcoming tour.

Now I’m going a step further to suggest the next best 23 players in New Zealand would also be good enough to tip up Warren Gatland’s men if, hypothetically, all of the first 23 were somehow incapacitated before the first Test on 24 June.

Below I’ve named my two match-day 23s that I reckon would each win the much anticipated three-Test series.

The Lions’ Kiwi odyssey comprises a brutal ten matches that includes virtual fourth and fifth Tests against the high-flying Crusaders, and the Maori All Blacks on consecutive Saturdays before the three main internationals, plus games against the four remaining Super Rugby franchises, and an opener against a useful looking New Zealand Barbarians team of up-and-comers.

So why have I gone to the trouble of naming a hypothetical shadow All Black 23 when the depth of New Zealand rugby will be on show in every game?

Many of the matches, especially the Maori and Crusaders Saturday games, will likely contain a fair few All Blacks who will double up in the Tests.

So my point with this is to suggest another match-day 23, with no overlap from the men in black chosen for the Tests, would also be good enough to tame the Lions over the course of the series.

Of course, anything’s capable of happening in the seven weeks between now and kick off of the opening Test.

It’s worth noting that the below selections are just one bloke’s opinion of the best and next best 23 players in New Zealand at the moment.

I’ve totally ignored who’s staying put and who’s heading overseas at the end of 2017 as a factor in my selections.

And I’m not trying to second guess who Steve Hansen and company will choose for the top team and so will almost certainly be wrong on, at the very least, a couple of counts.

First there’s no room in my All Black squad for Sonny Bill Williams, despite the fact you can bank on the well-heeled despiser of financial institutions being picked as one of the starting centres, most probably outside Ryan Crotty at 13.

I just don’t think Sonny Bill Williams’ form since coming back from his Achilles warrants a place in the 23, let alone a start in the most contested All Black midfield in living memory, so I gave his spot to Malakai Fekitoa, who has looked both hungry and sharp for the Highlanders this year (this will, of course, mean that Sonny Bill Williams will have an absolute blinder against the Tahs tomorrow night).

Actually, it’s not Sonny Bill’s spot to give, it’s Anton Lienert Brown’s, who also misses out on a place in my top All Black squad.

The Chiefs midfielder has yet to reach the giddy heights he attained in his breakout season last year.

Is he suffering from the ‘second-year syndrome’ that afflicts some players the year after they burst onto the scene and become known entities and much bigger targets for opposing defences?

Maybe. Maybe not. I’m just not prepared to risk finding out the hard way.

On the other hand Fekitoa looks to have re-discovered his mojo and come through his own ‘second’ and, indeed ‘third-year syndrome’ after a couple of quiet seasons following his breakout 2014 for both the Highlanders and All Blacks.

The All Black brains trust might also plump for Aaron Smith to start given that the former incumbent seems to have flushed his cubicle tryst and is close to his electrifying best.

But I’ve gone for current incumbent TJ Perenara to wear No.9 on the back of some consistently blistering form for the Hurricanes and, perhaps just as importantly, the eerie understanding he has developed with the world’s best player outside him which will transplant seamlessly into the top team.

My selection also assumes that the world class sextet of Dane Coles (calf), Jerome Kaino (knee), Israel Dagg (knee), Nehe Milner-Skudder (foot), captain Kieran Read (thumb) and his deputy Ben Smith (ankle) will all be over their respective injuries in good time for the first Test.

Coles is close now, Smith should only be out for a couple of weeks, while Dagg and Milner-Skudder are due back early June.

Read is a week into an expected six-week lay-off which should have him back with a fortnight to spare after having done all the necessary aerobic and most of the strength stuff in the meantime.

Kaino’s knee is more problematic. While the 34-year-old is forecast to be healed in time, it’ll take a bit for the big Blue to literally get up to speed once the knee is able to resume full load-bearing duties.

But I’ve no doubt the efforts of an army of medicos will be enough to ensure the All Black enforcer is ready to lurk menacingly from the side of the scrum come late June.

A few of you will no doubt cock an eyebrow at the inclusion of Milner-Skudder who has been barely sighted on a rugby field since his World Cup heroics in 2015.

After a virtual 2016 off with a bad shoulder injury, the match-winner was only two games into his comeback this year before again being carted to the sideline with a broken foot in the ‘Canes only loss so far to the Chiefs in Round 2.

However, his comeback game, the 71-6 shellacking of the Rebels the week before, was proof enough to me that he must be picked if fit, even if slightly out of position on the left wing.

In that match he was immediately back to his hot-stepping best, scoring a hat-trick of tries, beating five defenders and making five clean breaks in 14 carries for 84m, looking a threat every time he touched the ball.

I have left Dagg on the bench to make way for my only genuine bolter Vince Aso on the right wing. The Hurricane has been nothing less than a sensation this year with ten tries from his seven games, including three where he has convincingly ‘cracked the ton’ of 100+ run metres.

His most recent outing, at outside-centre against the Brumbies, emblematic of his season: three tries, 131 run metres, eight defenders beaten and four clean breaks.

He looks equally at home at centre and wing which adds immensely to his value. Dagg’s back three versatility also makes him the ideal cover from the bench.

I’m afraid there’s also no room in my squad for Julian Savea. As is typically the case for this time of the year, the Bus rarely looks out of second gear.

This has been thrown into sharper relief by the attacking stars that have been blazing so brightly around him in the ‘Canes’ back division.

Hansen can normally use the June Test window to try and get his big No.11 firing on all cylinders as he tried to do last year before axing him from his entire squad for the second Test against Wales after a sub-par first Test.

However, the white-hot cauldron of a Lions series is no place to be working stragglers back into form.

I also can’t find a spot on the other wing for Julian’s fellow powerhouse, Waisake Naholo, despite the excitement machine playing well for a two-try effort last weekend in the Highlanders’ big win over the Stormers at home.

As much as he’s capable of busting a game wide open with his attacking firepower, he can be error prone and sometimes lacks consistency in the clutch moments, in which there’ll no doubt be a few.

Onto the second 23. Perhaps the most notable aspect in this line-up are the names that aren’t there. Somehow (and I’m sure a few of you will suggest inexplicably so) I’ve found no room in my top 46 for All Blacks Liam Messam, Rieko Ioane, Stephen Luatua, Elliot Dixon, James Parsons, Seta Tamanivalu and Stephen Donald.

Nor is there space for the following players who are week in, week out producing consistently excellent rugby for their respective Super teams: David Haveli, George Bridge, Matt Duffie, James Lowe, Brad Shields, Melani Nanai, Ngani Laumape, Matt Proctor, Richie Mo’unga, Dillon Hunt, Jordan Taufua, Shaun Stevenson, Blake Gibson, Mitchell Drummond, Gareth Evans, Matt Faddes, Vaea Fifita… among more than a few others.

The likes of Lachlan Boshier, Rene Ranger, Shane Christie, Michael Fatialofa and Patrick Tuipulotu weren’t considered due to injury.

Now that’s depth.

Perhaps I should have kicked on and named a third 23 that would give the Lions a run for their money?

So Roarers, where have I gone awry in my selections?

All Blacks Test 23 to defeat the Lions:
1 Joe Moody
2 Dane Coles
3 Owen Franks
4 Sam Whitelock
5 Brodie Retallick
6 Jerome Kaino
7 Sam Cane
8 Kieran Read (c)
9 TJ Perenara
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Nehe Milner-Skudder
12 Ryan Crotty
13 Malakai Fekitoa
14 Vince Aso
15 Ben Smith
16 Codie Taylor
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Charlie Faumuina
19 Scott Barrett
20 Ardie Savea
21 Aaron Smith
22 Aaron Cruden
23 Israel Dagg

Shadow All Blacks ‘Next best’ 23 to also defeat the Lions:
1 Kane Hames
2 Liam Coltman
3 Jeff Toomaga-Allen
4 Dominic Bird
5 Luke Romano
6 Liam Squire
7 Matt Todd (c)
8 Akira Ione
9 Augustine Pulu
10 Lima Sopoaga
11 Julian Savea
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Anton Lienert-Brown
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzie
16 Hika Elliot
17 Pauliasi Manu
18 Ofa Tu’ungafasi
19 Tom Franklin
20 Luke Whitelock
21 Tawera Kerr-Barlow
22 George Moala
23 Jordie Barrett

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-05-07T09:49:42+00:00

Matt Porter

Roar Guru


I like that team Kaizer, would be a handful.

AUTHOR

2017-05-07T09:45:35+00:00

Matt Porter

Roar Guru


You need to get money on that NVFS because it would be paying large.

2017-05-07T09:30:44+00:00

cuw

Guest


here u go :) All Blacks Test 23 to defeat the Lions: 1 Joe Moody 2 Dane Coles 3 Owen Franks 4 Sam Whitelock 5 Brodie Retallick 6 Jerome Kaino 7 Sam Cane 8 Kieran Read (c) 9 TJ Perenara 10 Beauden Barrett 11 Julian Savea 12 Ryan Crotty 13 Malakai Fekitoa 14 Waisake Naholo 15 Ben Smith 16 Codie Taylor 17 Wyatt Crockett 18 Charlie Faumuina 19 Patrick Tuipolatu 20 Ardie Savea 21 Aaron Smith 22 Aaron Cruden 23 Israel Dagg Shadow All Blacks ‘Next best’ 23 to also defeat the Lions: 1 Kane Hames 2 Liam Coltman 3 Jeff Toomaga-Allen 4 Dominic Bird 5 Luke Romano 6 Liam Squire 7 Matt Todd (c) 8 Luke Whitelock 9 Tawera Kerr-Barlow 10 Richie Mounga 11 Nehe Milner-Skudder 12 Sonny Bill Williams 13 Anton Lienert-Brown 14 Seta Tamanivalu 15 Damian McKenzie 16 Hika Elliot 17 Pauliasi Manu 18 Ofa Tu’ungafasi 19 Scott Barrett 20 Steve Luatua 21 Augustine Pulu 22 Lima Sopoaga 23 Jordie Barrett 1 Nepo Laulala 2 Ricky Riccitelli 3 Atu Moli 4 Tom Franklin 5 Taleni Seu 6 Brad Shields 7 Blake Gibson 8 Blade Thompson 9 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi 10 Marty Banks 11 James Lowe 12 Ngani laumape 13 George Moala 14 Vince Aso 15 Melani Nanai 16 Leni Apisai 17 Aki Seiuli, 18 Siate Tokolahi 19 Vaea Fifita 20 Reed Prinsep 21 Mitch Drummond 22 Mitch Hunt 23 Matt Faddes

2017-05-07T04:33:20+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Banks!!!!!! At 12!!!!!!! Wow, thats a million to one-er. No Crotty, ALB, feks, Laumape, Tamanivalu, Moala? Whew.

2017-05-06T22:30:44+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Yes agree there Neil, the concept is as I keep saying, flawed when it comes to the ABs, gelling in such a short time in a highest priority series against the ABs always, bar 71, which was at a time when Northern hemisphere rugby was at its greatest ever, turns out badly. By series end the Lions are usually sent packing and although they might win a test here the third will be a large AB win, I'm convinced of that. The saving factors could be the weather, which is looking like it could be awful, and good for the Lions, and several key injuries...we have several at the moment. But other than that, ABs will be too strong. Yes NZ sides are dominating the Super series and yes the other sides are lacking in quality but what else can they do. All five have beaten every oz side and only one from memory has lost to a SA side. And the win margins in many are huge, so the depth is defintely there.

2017-05-06T20:58:53+00:00

taylorman

Guest


No chance Lions will beat them 2-1 Sweden, that is absurd. You say we don't know much about northern hem rugby but with that comment you definitely know little about Lions tours to NZ. What part of one test in ten and one series win in eleven do you not get? What part of stringing together individuals from four nations at short notice, a side with no culture, no time to build combinations, where most of the team have never been coached by the coach. You can't just apply the abilities of players as they play in their familiar environments, sides etc in the north to a slung together side here. Rugby is a team game and the ABs are the best at it by a long shot. This Lions side has as of today, never played together. You say their lack of preparation could potentially be their biggest downfall, and I would say that is a gross understatement, it is the primary reason Lions teams always fail here, and no AB sides in the past has had anything like the home record of the current one, 45 straight, and you're picking they'll win two? Including one or two at Eden park, where no ones won in over twenty years. I'd suggest you are lacking any real understanding of how powerful the AB response to Lions tours always are. Saracens is loaded with players that can't get into the Lions, South Africans, Kiwis, other Europeans and Pacific Islanders so it's not a side reflective of that that produces the Lions. Same with Munster and most of the top NH sides.

2017-05-06T20:44:34+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Yes where the first two letters stands for South Africa.

2017-05-06T20:43:18+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Yeah agree, next best in all positions? No chance we'd win the series. Even losing key players down the spine as they call it...Coles, Retallick, Read, A Smith, Barrett and B Smith...that is actually where the spine is, and three of those 6 are injured.

2017-05-06T17:44:53+00:00

taylorman

Guest


Akira? Not even in the mix, he's annoyed a bit actually, picks and chooses his moments too much, sometimes poorly. Unnecessarily aggressive at times though last night he did a lot of good things. Reiko continues on a nice upward curve and I think might be ahead of Jordie for selection with a bit more impact on the ball but barring injuries both probably left out of this series. Agree on Smith and the Smith Perenara pairing shouldn't change even if Perenaras slightly ahead, they need Smiths length of passing from the start as that's when defences are harder to beat. Perenaras running and link game is better suited to the latter part of the game when defences tire. No one gets close to that as a pairing and it's central to AB success.

2017-05-06T09:41:44+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I'd agree with your last comment Jacko - I don't see Pulu ahead of either TKB or Drummond for that matter. But I still feel the back five Matt selected would struggle against the Lions lineout, which not only has excellent on-field components, it has one of the best lineout detail coaches behind it in Steve Borthwick!

2017-05-06T03:09:44+00:00

SaltyDog

Guest


cant argue or support the forward choices as i stopped playing hooker at 14 but i would not be surprised if the back line looks a bit like this: 9 - Smith 10 - Barrett 11 - Milner-Skudder 12 - Marty Banks 13 - Fekitoa 14 - Naholo 15 - Ben Smith

2017-05-06T02:00:20+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Bird in good form and Romano playing great footy. Both have played at the highest level against the highest level. I think they would do fine. Todd at 7 has plenty of experience and to be honest there are plenty in NZ who say he is better than Cane. I dont know how anyone could possibably put Pulu ahead of TKB tho

2017-05-06T01:53:38+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Adastra that would be rude. We put out the invitations and they have RSVP'd to say they are coming....

2017-05-06T01:51:16+00:00

Jacko

Guest


So rare it meant you had to read and comment eh

2017-05-06T01:46:19+00:00

Jacko

Guest


BB kicks at 70% and Cruden at 77% so that means we kick at a minimum of 70%. That should do it I reckon

2017-05-06T00:01:33+00:00

Matt Porter

Guest


Totally agree BF The man is an impressive specimen but I couldn't get any news on hi back injury so ruled him out. When fully physically and mentally fit he is a contender for any AB team though. Huge, skilled and athletic.

2017-05-06T00:01:25+00:00

Matt Porter

Guest


Totally agree BF The man is an impressive specimen but I couldn't get any news on hi back injury so ruled him out. When fully physically and mentally fit he is a contender for any AB team though. Huge, skilled and athletic.

2017-05-05T23:40:19+00:00

Neil Back

Roar Rookie


Sorry Matt but watching the 'odd' Aviva game isn't good enough to draw the sort of parallels we keep having to put up to Super rugby from so many down here - who have undoubtedly watched even less. I also wonder when I hear about the apparent 'pace' of the game in the SH (still unsure what they means) as some unique quality (which it isn't), who we are talking about. Some of the hapless (hopeless?) chooks of teams in the Australian and SA conferences? I think it's also worth remembering you can often only play at a pace dictated by the other team if they're good enough to impose - and that shouldn't be confused with the tired old charge of 'slowing it down'. It can also mean denying the ball and space while playing at pace of your own. It won't be lack of pace or willingness to play at it, or lack of skill and flair that will undo a Lions side and prevent its demonstration. It will be the fact they have next to no chance of gelling as a team on tours like this ....and the outdated myth will go on.

2017-05-05T17:33:43+00:00

Kaizer

Roar Rookie


The Hansen Smorgasbord... Props: Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina, Hames, Tuungafasi, Toomaga-Allen, Manu, May. Hookers: Cole, Taylor, Elliot, Harris, Coltman, Parsons Locks: Retallick, Whitelock, Bird, Romano, Tuipulotu S.Barrett, Vaea, Franklin Loose Forwards: Kaino, Squire, Shield, Dixon, Luatua, Taufua, Read, L.Whitelock, Cane, Ardie, Todd, Messam, Akira Halfback: A.Smith, Perenara, Kerr-Barlow, Pulu First 5/8: B.Barrett, Cruden, Mounga, Sopoaga Midfield: SBW, Crotty, ALB, Fekitoa, Moala, Ngatai, Laumape, Proctor, R.Ioane Wing & Fullback J.Savea, NMS, Naholo, Jane, Dagg, B.Smith, McKenzie, J.Barrett, Havili.

2017-05-05T17:20:20+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


If NMS been fit for a while, I would back him right away. But he has hardly played the last 15 months. SBW will be involved, not sure if he will start since he is an outstanding impact player. Overall AB's midfield combo is silly hard to pick and they are too spoilt for choice. Dagg will start if he is fit, no matter what me think.

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