Our society has a drug problem, not the NRL

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    Let’s get one thing straight – it’s completely unfair and over the top to suggest that the NRL has a problem with illicit drug use.

    Outraged headlines which suggest that it does come in the context of a weekend which wasn’t the best in terms of news coverage for the game.

    It started on Friday when it was alleged that Rooster Shaun Kenny-Dowall had been caught in possession of cocaine at a Sydney nightclub.

    Next, New Zealand captain Jesse Bromwich and Gold Coast Titans co-captain Kevin Proctor were in the spotlight with allegations that they had been filmed taking illicit drugs in the early hours of Saturday morning following the Kiwis’ loss to the Kangaroos on Friday night in Canberra.

    We all know the old saying that bad news comes in threes. It was certainly the case over the weekend with Cronulla Sharks chairman Damien Keogh forced to stand down after he was charged by police for allegedly possessing drugs when searched in Woolloomooloo on Friday night.

    It would be very easy for us to stand and point our fingers at the NRL and make it out to be the bad guy, but that would be unfair.

    If we think about the NRL as an employer, it’s an employer which employs about 700 top-tier NRL players in any one playing year.

    These 700 players come from a wide variety of backgrounds. Many come from a different cultural background, some have experienced financial hardship growing up and some have been met with other challenges in their formative years.

    (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

    For many of these men, rugby league is an opportunity for a way out and a way for them to transform their lives. Our sport is a young man’s game and the reality is, no matter how much money is spent on education, some of these men will make mistakes along the way.

    That’s why I appreciate the NRL’s current drug testing regime, whereby the first strike sees the player referred to his club CEO for education and rehabilitation, the second strike results in a 12-week suspension and then the third strike sees a referral to NRL CEO Todd Greenberg for punishment.

    We are a game that seeks to educate, but also practices forgiveness.

    Please for one moment do not think I am an apologist for drugs. The bottom line is that illicit drugs are illegal for a reason – they can have a variety of negative impacts not just on the user, but also vicariously on the people around the user. In some circumstances they can have severe effects on behaviour, cause health problems and can put the user in a situation of financial instability.

    But suggesting that, because a couple of these incidents are uncovered in the NRL each year, drug use is rife and endemic is over the top.

    Illicit drug use is not something which only the NRL is dealing with. Recently, The Daily Telegraph crowned Sydney “the cocaine capital of Australia” and research by the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission saw NSW top the list regarding usage of the drug.

    In Sydney alone, there was double the amount of cocaine discovered compared with any other capital city.

    The NRL is a microcosm of society and this microcosm will absolutely reflect the issues that we as a society are grappling with. This is why our game is consistently working to educate players on drugs and alcohol, financial independence, gambling and domestic violence. As long as these issues continue to be prevalent in our society, they will continue to be reflected in rugby league.

    When I heard the news about these players over the weekend, the overwhelming feeling was disappointment. Disappointed that after a loss players decided it was a good idea to go out into the early hours of the morning, drink plenty and then allegedly take drugs. Disappointed that despite the education we have around recreational drug use that players still think it’s a good idea and disappointed because although these incidents are not catastrophic, it isn’t the best look for the game.

    Jesse Bromwich, Rugby League World Cup trophy

    (Photo: 2017 Rugby League World Cup, Scott Davis)

    I was also disappointed to hear the Melbourne Storm and Gold Coast Titans trying to shift blame away from Bromwich and Proctor onto the New Zealand Rugby League for not adequately supervising the two men. The two players are both grown adults who made a decision and each one needs to stand by the decision and accept the consequences that come with it.

    Shifting responsibility elsewhere is childish and gives players the opportunity to blame others for something they should be taking responsibility for.

    The consequences for each of Bromwich and Proctor have been severe. In the first instance, Bromwich was stripped of New Zealand captaincy and Proctor has been stood down from the Titans leadership group.

    It was also announced yesterday that neither player will be available for selection for the Rugby League World Cup team later this year – what a shame that international rugby league will suffer because of the consequences of a drunken night out on the town.

    Despite my disappointment with these players, for me, there are much bigger issues that the NRL (and our society) faces like domestic violence. Another one is gambling.

    In an environment where almost each club in the NRL has an official betting partner, where Brookvale Oval has been renamed Lottoland and where the live telecast is interrupted throughout with updates on the odds, is anyone surprised that gambling is another issue which touches our players?

    Add to that the ‘funny’ Sportsbet ads and we have a situation where gambling is normalised and made to be fun and trendy. This makes me extremely uncomfortable.

    We all have a role to play in defending and looking after our game when these incidents occur. Instead of being the butt of a joke, use the opportunity to educate people on the extensive work the NRL does in educating our players and the extensive work so many of our players do in the community.

    And as for the ‘endemic drug culture’ which is plaguing the NRL – we as a society need to look around and think about how not only the NRL can assist and educate the players in its system, but how we can assist and educate ourselves as a wider society.

    Mary Konstantopoulos
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    Mary Konstantopoulos is a lawyer, sports advocate and proud owner and founder of the Ladies Who empire, including Ladies who League, Ladies who Legspin, Ladies who Lineout and Ladies who Leap. You can find her podcast on iTunes and find her on Twitter @mary__kaye and @ladieswholeague.

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    • May 9th 2017 @ 5:57am
      Busty McCracken said | May 9th 2017 @ 5:57am | ! Report

      How the gambling ads get away with so much is beyond me. I repaired and installed pokie machines for 7 years and in that time I discovered that no addiction I’ve ever seen is worse.

      Now don’t get me wrong, drugs can ruin lives 100% but your average ice, heroin addict, smoker , drinker etc generally accepts that they have a problem and can even admit it but will tell you they just can’t seem to quit. Where as i never met a gambler, not one in 7 years that ever accepted they had a problem. They would attenpt to justify that they are only occassionally there and dont bet much despite sitting in the same chair every day from opening til late.

      • May 9th 2017 @ 8:24am
        AGO74 said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        I agree. Hate the pokies. I used to work in a club when I was 19 and I’d watch my coach from junior footy days put through $500 every night (this was in early 90s as well) and most I ever saw him pull out was $1000. I can’t even begin to imagine how much money he lost. You always hear about the wins, not the losses. Best life education lesson for pokies for me right there.

      • Columnist

        May 9th 2017 @ 9:50am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

        It’s extremely sad, Busty McCracken and I’m really pleased to hear about the changes in legislation recently to get rid of these ads during live sports coverage. Even more of a worry to be are companies that use social media to seem gambling seem fun, trendy or cool. It’s absolutely gross to me.

        • Roar Guru

          May 9th 2017 @ 12:04pm
          Adam said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

          Getting to a point where the government is going to legislate against betting advertisement has been a real hard slog. The betting industry has a lot of weight to throw around. Finally, we can watch some footy without the advertising. However, with the rules in place it would be my understanding that they can advertise after 830pm? Does that mean that we will get a barrage of advertisement from the middle of the first half on a Friday/Saturday night game?

    • May 9th 2017 @ 6:09am
      Craig said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:09am | ! Report

      It’s not worth comparing “700 employees” to “700 other Australians”. Compare “700 employees who are being paid between 75k-1 million a year under the proviso that they dont take drugs.

      It’d be more accurate to compare them to industries where you get fired if you take drugs, ie like the army or other disciplines where you are drug tested.

      In that context, then yes, it is rife.

      • Roar Guru

        May 9th 2017 @ 6:25am
        M.O.C. said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:25am | ! Report

        I agree Craig. The lower paid professional athletes like the amazing netball women who work and study as well as play for a pittance (compared to the nrl players) don’t seem to be in the news snorting coke.

        • Roar Guru

          May 9th 2017 @ 7:01am
          The Barry said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:01am | ! Report

          Without being rude to them, it’s because no one knows who they are. If they’re caught it’s not news. Same as it’s not if you or I were busted.

          Which suggests that it’s that news worthiness as opposed to the moral or legal implications of what they’re doing that gets everyone up in arms.

          • Roar Guru

            May 9th 2017 @ 7:04am
            M.O.C. said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:04am | ! Report

            Alternatively, they don’t get caught because they don’t do coke. That’s why I never get caught. You imply they “everyone” does it. Well, a lot might, but not everyone.

            • Roar Guru

              May 9th 2017 @ 7:55am
              The Barry said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:55am | ! Report

              I’m not suggesting everyone does it, but it would be naive to think there’s not a single netballer in Australia that gets on it.

              There are literally thousands of people who use drugs every weekend and don’t get busted. Just because they’re not caught doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

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                May 9th 2017 @ 9:51am
                Mary Konstantopoulos said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

                I tend to agree with you, The Barry. Again, not condoning drug use – but it is happening all around us. In Sydney, the NRL is news and sells papers and stories like this are gold for the media.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 12:05pm
                matth said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

                True, Consider how many others in that night club did Coke, but was it only these two who were newsworthy enough to have someone film it?

              • May 9th 2017 @ 12:08pm
                BrainsTrust said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

                I don’t see how netballers could afford cocaine in this country , even with their most recent pay deal.
                They are the best paid womens sports people in any sort of numbers at the moment, but they would have about 100 getting low pay.
                The rest of the sportswomen in this country are on even less.
                STart paying women more and then see if they start taking cocaine.

              • Roar Guru

                May 10th 2017 @ 8:09am
                The Barry said | May 10th 2017 @ 8:09am | ! Report

                It’s a misconception that you need to be the wolf of Wall Street to afford cocaine.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 1:34pm
                Steve said | May 9th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

                This is not the point.

                There are not thousands of people every night doing it who will lose their job if they are caught.

                If I say to you, here’s a 500k contract. All you have to do is not get arrested, don’t bash your wife, generally be an ok person and not take drugs.

                The clubs are not asking “too much”, or “expecting too much”.

                Essentially your contract is asking you to not be a criminal whilst you play footy. It’s a very low benchmark.

                If they are too stupid to understand this then sorry, out the door.

              • Roar Guru

                May 9th 2017 @ 6:02pm
                The Barry said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:02pm | ! Report

                I agree with that but for two points.

                1. Clearly the rule isn’t take drugs and you’re fired.

                2. Why should their contracts be torn up for taking drugs?

                But if that is the rule, the players know it, do it anyway and get caught then yes, they are absolutely accountable and have no one to blame but themselves.

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            May 9th 2017 @ 7:07am
            eagleJack said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:07am | ! Report

            Exactly right TB. I recall in the mid 2000s watching a group of guys run amok in the VIP area of a club. Drugs were being heavily used and they were generally being a nuisance. You could tell they were athletes so we made some enquiries. They were an A-League team.

            We all laughed. If they were NRL players it would be huge news. But even sports nuts like us had no idea who they were. So the general public would have just thought they were annoying young men.

            • May 9th 2017 @ 10:18am
              Oingo Boingo said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

              I know I’ll be accused of being a conspiracy theorist here but , here we go .
              The reason the NRL is always under the microscope is to derail its future, the media wants the sport itself to be a distasteful option for the moddy coddling parents of generation ” soft as custard “.
              Rugby league is a bastion of masculinity and machoism , these two things are a threat to the globalist that run the media world wide .
              The reason they don’t go after the AFL like they do the NRL is it’s a divide and conquer strategy.
              You pit the AFL media against the NRL , basically as an accomplice.
              Then they will rip the AFL apart also , but only once the numbers of juniors in rugby league have been decimated and the game has no future …..and it’s happening right now under your noses.
              Throw stones all you like , but maybe you’d be better off giving it some thought.

              • Roar Guru

                May 9th 2017 @ 11:05am
                Magnus M. Østergaard said | May 9th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

                It all seems too convinient for me TBH.

                1. SKD was targetted for his arrest. No one else was targetted at all.

                2. You can see in the CCTV footage than the cops had received a tip about Keogh, they stopped and approached him directly without even going to anyone else.

                3. ‘Canberra Man’ organised the meet up with the NZ duo in clear sight of CCTV cameras.

                Im obviously clutching at a few straws here, but it all smelled a bit off to me.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 11:11am
                Perry Bridge said | May 9th 2017 @ 11:11am | ! Report

                #Oingo Boingo

                You reckon the media doesn’t go after the AFL?

                That’s your first mistake. Not sure where you live? The AFL is heavily scrutinised in AFL territory in the same way the NRL is in NRL territory.

                If there are tip offs I don’t think you can blame the AFL!!

                Certainly the recognition is a key issue – and that’s of great benefit for the A-League – no one knows what they look like outside of Timmy Cahill!!

              • May 9th 2017 @ 11:20am
                Oingo Boingo said | May 9th 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

                I didn’t say that ,,, they aren’t as ferocious.

              • May 10th 2017 @ 5:45pm
                Justin Kearney said | May 10th 2017 @ 5:45pm | ! Report

                Sure thing percy fridge! The media in afl states are ever so hard on those lovely boys. They give them ever such a bad time!

              • May 9th 2017 @ 12:13pm
                JVGO said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

                Just ignoring the ARU and its players has done such wonders for that game. They have managed to disappear down their own private school gurgler.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 12:52pm
                Peter said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                You’re right, you’re a conspiracy theorist. You forgot to mention the mind-control chemicals bring released by high-altitude passenger planes in the guise of contrails and the New World Order government to be run by the Pope and the Dalai Lama on behalf of the UN.
                More seriously, what exactly is masculine or macho about getting completely shitfaced on booze and then snorting coke? I would have thought a footballer with half a brain and a desire to perform well would stay away from both.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 1:59pm
                Agent11 said | May 9th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

                It’s hurting the game at grass roots but at the top level… well the old saying goes – any publicity is good publicity. All sports need “bad boys” or villains otherwise its boring.

              • May 9th 2017 @ 2:21pm
                GWSINGAPORE said | May 9th 2017 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

                Boy Oing Boingo. I bet you don’t believe that Oswald acted alone! 🙂

              • May 9th 2017 @ 6:55pm
                Oingo Boingo said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

                I don’t believe he acted at all.

              • May 11th 2017 @ 5:33pm
                ontheburst said | May 11th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

                Yes the media went real hard on Buddy Franklin when he had his “mental issues”.

                The difference in reporting is very noticeable a league incident will have 3 or 4 other incidents reported in a story creating the perception of a crisis. Whilst an AFL incident is reported with no sensationalism and links to similar incidents and conveniently goes away.

                Have a look at how “hard” the media went on the West Coast Eagles when they were out of control. The coach and administration got off very softly.

                I live in Melbourne and listen to SEN radio and they always make excuses for the AFL boys whilst they are happy to snigger and throw the book at rugby league.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 10:37am
          Oingo Boingo said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

          The truth of it is ,,,, the media are very selective of who they put under the microscope.

      • May 9th 2017 @ 10:27am
        gyfox said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

        Not to forget CEO’s!

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      May 9th 2017 @ 6:19am
      eagleJack said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:19am | ! Report

      No doubt society has a drug problem, but I don’t think it is as simple as ignoring the NRL’s serious issue by simply saying “well everyone does it”.

      This is nothing new. Recreational drug use has been rampant in the NRL for 2 decades. I’ve always laughed when Joey Johns was singled out as a guy who shouldn’t have been made an Immortal due to his off-field drug use. And then in the next sentence people put forward names of guys who also got on the gear. Regularly. The difference being that they were never caught.

      I have no issue with players doing drugs in their spare time. I personally don’t understand it because I would have thought that if your body is your main source of your income, then you’d always want it at peak levels. But it’s their call and they know the risks and know their bodies.

      What I can’t comprehend is the stupidity of these guys. They know they are in the spotlight and they know that their careers could hang in the balance if caught. So why carry drugs? Get someone else to do that. And why wouldn’t they do it in private before heading out? Why do it outside a pub on the back of a mobile phone?

      Sometime you just can’t help stupid.

      • May 9th 2017 @ 7:23am
        col in paradise said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:23am | ! Report

        +1000..exactly

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        May 9th 2017 @ 9:58am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

        Hi eaglejack

        I really appreciated this comment. Please for one moment do not think I’m burying my head in the sand here – it’s a problem in the NRL but it is also a problem in our society. The NRL has a responsibility to continue to educate players and to take a hard stance on behaviour that brings the game into disrepute.

        I also cannot understand why, if having your body in peak, physical condition is your bread and butter, why you would behave so stupidly, particularly on the evening of a pretty significant loss…

        • May 9th 2017 @ 10:10am
          spruce moose said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          “The NRL has a responsibility to continue to educate players and to take a hard stance on behaviour that brings the game into disrepute.”

          But you’ve said the NRL isn’t the problem?

          • Columnist

            May 9th 2017 @ 10:35am
            Mary Konstantopoulos said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

            My article was about news outlets that make out that the NRL has a particular problem when it comes to drugs. It’s not just the NRL – our entire society does.

            Of course the NRL has a role to play in educating our players.

            I’m not suggesting we do nothing – I’m only saying that calling out the NRL for a ‘drug epidemic’ is irresponsible and ignores the bigger picture.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 10:28am
          Redsfan1 said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report

          Hi Mary,

          I agree. One thing I cant understand is how they would drink alcohol after a big game. Alcohol wrecks muscle growth and recovery. Playing in a brutal comp like the NRL- wouldn’t drinking be putting you at risk of falling behind physically and getting smashed on the field?

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          May 9th 2017 @ 10:59am
          steveng said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

          Its because the head and brain (with these guys) is different to their body parts and these blokes don’t have both! Or they have a very miniscule amount of brain matter. Their behaviour is pure and simple, they are addicts and using any excuses or like ‘I was too out of it’ meaning on grog is just a very pure excuse.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 3:03pm
          Christo the Daddyo said | May 9th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

          The NRL has a responsibility to educate?!?! If it’s anything more than…

          “Here’s a list of substances/activities you can’t do, otherwise we’ll tear your contract up”

          …then it’s simply mollycoddling players. They’re adults. How about they get treated as such?

          • May 9th 2017 @ 8:45pm
            Pablo said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:45pm | ! Report

            No need to treat them like adults Christo, there are enough apologists around to ensure this will never happen.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 3:45pm
          Albo said | May 9th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

          Mary, if these guys had any brains , do you think their preference would be to sign up to belt the tripe out of each other every week in order to make a living ? Their stupidity on the weekend is exactly in line with the dumb things they also do on the playing field. But we pay to watch them , we excuse them, laugh & cry at them as they do these dumb things on the field (along with the good things), and that is what earns them big money. But you can never equate their rewarding contracts with many of them having any common sense ! What gets exposed in the media is but a fraction of the stupidity our heroes partake of weekly. You should not be amazed at player stupidity ! It is a more than useful pre-requisite to play our beloved game.

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            May 9th 2017 @ 5:58pm
            The Barry said | May 9th 2017 @ 5:58pm | ! Report

            There’s a good point in there that these guys are feted and highly paid for their risk taking but it’s then expected to be switched off immediately.

    • May 9th 2017 @ 6:27am
      Agent11 said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:27am | ! Report

      Unfortunately there is a different standard for the NRL than there is for society which is fair enough. NRL players are in the spotlight and paid extremely well and part of the deal is that they must keep a clean image. It’s just not very realistic though as they’re only human (and many dumb ones at that). I think society on a whole are more forgiving and understanding than the sensationalist media make out though. The media pretends we are all so outraged but does anyone care that much, is anyone that surprised? We all know people do drugs from all walks of life from CEO down to the toilet cleaner.

      • May 9th 2017 @ 9:14am
        tyrone said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        why is it not realistic?

        A contract that does not allow drug use is still a contract.

        They signed it and have contravened it.

        I am not so concerned at the drug use but by them essentially lying when they signed a legal document

      • May 9th 2017 @ 10:21am
        col in paradise said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        The thing that amuses me most is that the “Media” is one area were recreational drug use is very high…Over half the news desks are on it in Sydney…hypocrits….

      • May 9th 2017 @ 9:04pm
        Christian said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

        Agent 11 Best comment!
        Spot on. It’s the media and the self righteous do gooders who care.

        And don’t get me started on the jealous comments on how much they earn.

        It’s their life if they do something illegal they pay the price whatever the law dictates, not the media and know it all’s.

      • May 10th 2017 @ 5:45am
        Baz said | May 10th 2017 @ 5:45am | ! Report

        Actually if you work in certian jobs u get drug tested and if you get caught no more job. So the NRL is unique in that players can be tested 24/7 and they have the media side of things.
        But as for not taking drugs and getting caught many jobs require this n will test you. Its not hard

    • May 9th 2017 @ 6:50am
      Greg said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:50am | ! Report

      Why don’t the police ever bring a sniffer dog to the Logies or ARIA awards? Then we would see the real industry that has issues with drugs

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        May 9th 2017 @ 6:56am
        The Barry said | May 9th 2017 @ 6:56am | ! Report

        That would make the telecast worth watching…?

      • May 9th 2017 @ 8:33am
        HiHo said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

        “And the winner of the Hoover award is…..”

      • May 9th 2017 @ 8:52am
        Jacko said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        Sounds like a great reality tv show

      • May 9th 2017 @ 9:32am
        Chui said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:32am | ! Report

        Because watching a sniffer dog OD isnt pretty.

      • May 9th 2017 @ 12:09pm
        matth said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

        Would there be any shows left on TV?

    • May 9th 2017 @ 7:18am
      Queenslander said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:18am | ! Report

      The biggest problem is apologists. Counselling, fines stand downs are not the solution. The contracts should be unambiguous, no three strikes or other limp wristed actions. If you are found to sell, use , traffic illegal drugs your contract is terminated. No banal redemption stories, it is all over in a few minutes and we get back to the footy. Detection, Police, Termination . The player needs to find another career path as professional rugby league now closed. I find no distinction between party drugs and other more serious drugs. They are a blight on this country and at least the League can make a stand

      • May 9th 2017 @ 8:22am
        Greg said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

        Humans make mistakes. A 19 yr old kid shouldn’t have his career ruined because of a brain snap or spur of the moment dumb decision. Arguably the greatest athlete in history Michael Phelps even got caught consuming illegal drugs

        http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/michael-phelps-bong-photo-why-didnt-he-sue-joe-buck-undeniable-illegal-suspension-olympics-gold-medals

        • May 9th 2017 @ 10:05am
          spruce moose said | May 9th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

          Yes, ironically that today would be legal.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 3:05pm
          Christo the Daddyo said | May 9th 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

          Except that a 19 year old is not a “kid”, he’s an adult. If they were treated as adults then maybe they wouldn’t behave like “kids”?

      • May 9th 2017 @ 8:57am
        Jacko said | May 9th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

        queenslander are you aware that 9 of the top 10 most damaging drugs are legal? We have a drug problem alright. Its just not the social ones that are the problem. So do you still make no distinction between Social and more serious drugs? The “MORE SERIOUS” legal ones are so much more of a probem

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          May 9th 2017 @ 9:08am
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

          Care to elaborate on those 9 Jacko?

          Ive got Alcohol, Tobacco, Valium which are basically easily accesible but then there are heavily regulated usage of some drugs such as Amphetamines for ADHD and Opiods are often used to assist with (funnily enough) reforming drug addictions, so I’ve got 5 which would most likely be in the top 10 most dangerous drugs.

          • May 9th 2017 @ 12:36pm
            Jacko said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

            Prescription drugs are the most costly to treat the side effects of and cause the most deaths. i cant find the right articles at the moment but about 5 years ago in Melbourne they had a radio debate re smoking pot and they found that pot doesnt even touch the top 20 drugs as harm it does in Society…Thats cost and effect of the results of taking drugs…And at the time 9 of the top 10 most destructive drugs to society were prescription drugs or legal. (alcohol, tobacco ) and only 1 (heroin ) was illegal. Ice may have broken into the top 10 by now as it wasnt really that big 5 years ago. Certainly drugs like Speed and Cocaine didnt even rate in the area’s of addiction, social problems it causes, Domestic issues, side effects, and compared to prescription drugs, which kills many each year. Just the prescription overdoses causes 200 deaths a year. Compare that to say “EXTACY” and that is something like 4 deathc in the past 15 years…Yet the illegal ones get all the bad PR compared to the legal ones of course. Im not saying it shoul be open slather…Its just that we concentrate to much on the illegal ones which are mainly used safely and without issue and forget about the real killer drugs out there

            • Roar Guru

              May 9th 2017 @ 2:00pm
              Magnus M. Østergaard said | May 9th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

              A lot of street drugs are also legal drugs, which is where the lines are blurred. Speed is an Amphetamine for example.

              Its often that the legal ones are abused due to relative ease to obtain and then they are mixed in with other stuff.

        • May 9th 2017 @ 9:16am
          tyrone said | May 9th 2017 @ 9:16am | ! Report

          the issue is not whether they are dangerous it is that they are illegal and a choice was made to consume an illegal product and therefore commit a criminal act.

          • May 9th 2017 @ 12:10pm
            matth said | May 9th 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

            I just don’t get why they don’t stick to alchohol. It’s very legal, very cheap and very effective. and rather than get arrested, you will probably get a pat on the back from your sponsor.

            • May 9th 2017 @ 4:48pm
              Jacko said | May 9th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

              Lol matt….Yeah no player has ever got in trouble using alcohol. Thats why they choose Coke…Easy to remain in control of your actions…dont get agro…It doesnt make you violent…

        • May 9th 2017 @ 7:04pm
          Queenslander said | May 9th 2017 @ 7:04pm | ! Report

          Hi Jacko my issue is with illegal drug use being excused because they are party or social drugs. We need to stop using and while we cannot solve this global problem we certainly can make a stand in the NRL. These people can snort their lives away if they like but they won’t be allowed in the NRL.

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